Braves manager not pleased by Francisco’s actions after homer

CINCINNATI – Fredi Gonzalez didn’t appreciate Juan Francisco’s bat-flip and slow trot after hitting a second-inning homer against his former Cincinnati team Tuesday, and the Braves manager let the backup third baseman know it.

“I spoke to the young man about that the following inning and told him that we try not to do that here,” Gonzalez said. “I don’t like it here. The Braves have been known for a classy organization and I don’t encourage anyone to do that. Somebody could get hurt [by a retaliation pitch], one of his teammates or even himself. And hopefully he got the message.”

Francisco, whom the Reds traded to the Braves in the last weekend of spring training, hit the home run in his initial at-bat in his first game back at at- Great American Ball Park, one of only two hits the Braves had in the 4-1 loss. Reds fans booed after he watched the ball sail into the bullpen beyond the right-field corner, then flipped his bat, dragged his feet for a couple of steps and trotted around the bases.

Reds pitcher Mike Leake said, “It kind of [ticked] me off, giving it up to him of all people.”

Some wondered if the incident might carry over to Tuesday’s game, when Leake’s’ friend Mat Latos was to pitch for the Reds. Francisco was in the lineup Tuesday for the fourth consecutive game in place of Chipper Jones, who’s recovering from a severe leg contusion.

“I should lead him off today just in case,” Gonzalez said, smiling. “No, I don’t think [it’ll carry over]. They know him. I don’t think the kid did it maliciously. He said, ‘That’s just the way I do things.’ I said, you’ve got 10 home runs in the big leagues, what do you mean that’s the way you do things?”

The manager was asked which of Francisco’s actions annoyed him, the bat flip or the delay at the start of a leisurely trot.

“The whole act,” said Gonzalez, who didn’t mention the incident publicly until asked by a reporter Tuesday. “Down here [in the dugout] you can’t really see, and I thought, OK, maybe he [hesitated because he] thought it’s hooking foul. Then all of a sudden I pick up the ball out of the corner of my eye and I’m going, that ball’s not even close to the foul pole.

“Then I look back down [to Francisco]. For me, for our team there’s no place for that in our game…. I spoke to him about it and I may go over there and talk to Bake [Reds manager Dusty Baker] about it.”

Gonzalez smiled and added, “But he should know; they had him…. He was here before Dusty got here. I don’t think Dusty likes that stuff either.”

74 comments Add your comment

phil

May 22nd, 2012
6:59 pm

Well done, Fredi! Gaining some respect for you.

Heyward's Bat

May 22nd, 2012
6:59 pm

That’s pretty funny..and those errors don’t make Francisco look any better either.. (Twitter: @Heywards_Bat)

liberalefty

May 22nd, 2012
7:02 pm

who cares about these stupid unwritten rules

liberalefty

May 22nd, 2012
7:02 pm

who cares about these stupid unwritten rules

RomeDawg

May 22nd, 2012
7:05 pm

Is there anything worse than someone with very little credentials being cocky? Gonzalez was right about one thing, we DON’T do that here. The Braves are a class act!

Also Ashley

May 22nd, 2012
7:05 pm

“the way I do things?”

You don’t make excuses or mouth off to your boss like that!

The only acceptable answer is “Yes sir. It won’t happen again. Sorry sir.”

BravesfaninWis

May 22nd, 2012
7:06 pm

So lets get this straight, he gets pissed off at Francisco for kind of showing up his former team and adding a run to the board, but makes excuses for Minor and says he gave up “Only” 4 Homeruns? Get a f’n clue Gonzalez.

The kid was simply making a statement to his former team for getting rid of him, its happened a million times before in the big leagues, and it will happen a million more times after last night. At least he put a run on the board instead of giving up 4 runs like Minor did with his homerun derby pitching night.

I’ll take what Francisco did last night over what Minor did last night every day of the week, and twice on the weekends.

Johnhopkins

May 22nd, 2012
7:06 pm

BREAKING: Fredi declares “I don’t like it here.”

Will the Braves let him go? Stay tuned.

Aaron

May 22nd, 2012
7:13 pm

As soon as I saw the video, I cringed. I’m glad Fredi took him to task and made it clear to him that that is not how the Braves do things and not how we as fans expect them to act.

Disgusted

May 22nd, 2012
7:18 pm

Not saying that what Francisco did was right, but I like what Minor did last night a lot less.

In fact I don’t like much what Minor has done lately.

JoeBravesFan

May 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm

I hear Kevin Youkilis is looking for a new team…I wish the Braves would go after him, trade Francisco and let Prado stay in left…but that’s just me!

RWill

May 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm

@BravesfaninWisc: So, let me get this straight: you rail on Mike Minor for struggling (ableit, not as much as Glavine or Maddux did as youngsters) and handling it like a man, and not pitching fits and whatnot. Yet, Francisco, who strikes out every third AB, is hitting .217 for the year, and plays possibly the worst third base in the ML, then acts like he’s some sort of big-shot for hitting a HR against a pitcher struggling almost as bad as Minor, is someone you’ll take up for????

#forumlogic

wisconsinbraveswin

May 22nd, 2012
7:36 pm

Francisc-go

May 22nd, 2012
7:38 pm

One thing is for sure, and it’ll be official after the season: Juan is not the answer at third.
All or nothing bat, less than that in the field. ‘That’s the way I do things” ?!?!?!!!
See ya, Juan.

Mr. Dawg

May 22nd, 2012
7:39 pm

Fransisco acted like an idiot. The Reds needed a pitcher and the Braves needed insurance at 3rd. A trade was made and a back up player with an average bat and supsect defensive skills should know that he’s vulnerable. Rather than show up the Reds Fransisco should be eternally gracious that he’s in the show at all and that a winning organization like Atlanta would even have him.

Francisc-go

May 22nd, 2012
7:42 pm

RWill, you’re dead on….Glavine, Smoltz, heck almost all pitchers struggle their first year, even two,
in the bigs. Smoltz struggled for several before getting over the hump. Remember the sports psychiatrist the Braves had on payroll to help Smoltz get his mental state corrected?
That said, I still don’t understand Medlen not getting a chance at starting. He was much better than
Hansen in the minors, and has never been given a real chance to start in the bigs. A good starter is still, and always will be, much more important than a good reliever.

bravos2249

May 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm

( Granted this is Chipper’s last year and it was a walk-off)

But what Fransico did is no different from when Chipper hit that walk-off homer and did the same thing. I also didn’t see Freddi getting on Matt Diaz with his little bat flip from his homer either.

RWill

May 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm

@Francisc-go: Medlen won’t hold up as a starter. Was a reliever in college, drafted as reliever, was a reliever in the minors, and when put in the rotation, made the most starts of his career in 2010 – which was still only 14 – and needed Tommy John surgery. His mechanics are such that the only way he will stay healthy is in the bullpen. Not to mention how much having him for late innings in close games helps to keep O’Flaherty and Venters fresh.

#forumlogic

Darryl Blackberry

May 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm

Would you guys do a trade of Francisco and Minor to the Sox for Youkilis?

A week ago, I wouldn’t have even entertained the possibility, but now…

Burt

May 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm

If Fredi learned any thing from Bobby he should know you never show your own players up. If it ticked him off he should have called Juan into is office and let him have it in PRIVATE. A manager should never ever criticize his players in public. Fredi won’t protect his players from bad calls by umpires and now he is making public comments like this…Too bad we don’t have a manager that has his player’s backs.

Darryl Blackberry

May 22nd, 2012
7:57 pm

Wrong, Burt. This needed to be made public so there’d be no retaliation. Also, this just reinforces Fredi’s resolve to keep things sportsmanlike for the Braves (and hopefully teach Juan a lesson in humility).

Darryl Blackberry

May 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm

Also: Remember when Bobby took out Andruw Jones mid-game in the Nineties for lack of hustle? Yeah. Same principle.

C from Marietta

May 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm

Anything for ya’ll to complain about. I guess your not happy unless your whining about something.

Burt

May 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm

There is a distinction between whining and fact. Andruw was not hustling and that was a rare act by Bobby. Ask Ron Gant what it was like to feel Bobby’s wrath behind close doors only to hear him have his back when talking to the media. Fredi never backs up his players.EVER. When Hudson got into it with Eddings, Tim looked into the dugout to see where Fredi was. Too bad DOB is not allowed in the dugout during games, Fredi would probably called Hudson a trouble maker.

Gran Jen 1

May 22nd, 2012
8:11 pm

I’ll bet Frank Wren is burning up the phone trying to get rid of this creep Francisco! Minor is still a young pitcher, and you don’t give up on talent that easy! Go Braves!

Rnadom

May 22nd, 2012
8:13 pm

@RWill (May 22nd, 2012 7:26 pm) –

Bravo, sir.

go-BRAVOS

May 22nd, 2012
8:20 pm

@RWill, you cannot reason with these “experts” who keep pleading for Medlen to be put in the rotation. They need something to ich about and Minor is one of their whipping boys. No young player is ever suppose to struggle at the big league level because the Braves should win every game and every player should be lights out all year. If Meds were to be put in the rotation and struggled those same retards would be blasting him as well, it’s a no win situation with these people.

Go Braves!

Scott

May 22nd, 2012
8:36 pm

I would be more worried about how the Reds keep hitting home runs agianst us like a beer league softball game. How embarassing. Seven home runs thru 12 innings already. Geez.

Fredi G

May 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm

Beachy pitched good tonight. What’d he give up, only 3 home runs? Helluva effort. How bout Bourney though? Showing up their pitchers by hitting 2 home runs? I don’t like that here. We kinda sorta maybe don’t do that here.

Largo

May 22nd, 2012
10:02 pm

Way to go, Fredi! Francisco is a no class slob.

farmer

May 22nd, 2012
10:03 pm

well I don’t like Fredi Gonzalez here as our manager, either. nor does anyone else. FIRE FREDI NOW!

Charlie

May 22nd, 2012
10:32 pm

Frdi will do what he always does, “…Just keep trottin”em out there…” Baseball according to Fredi.

Waffle House or Bust

May 22nd, 2012
11:35 pm

Fredi still trying to be Bobby. There has not been any attitude here since Neon Deon way back in the day. Yunel tried to bring some fire and we see what happened to him.

Mitchell

May 23rd, 2012
1:43 am

“I spoke to the young man about that the following inning and told him that we try not to do that here,” Gonzalez said.

Yes. God forbid we would have a player who actually displayed something resembling a personality or assuredness on the field.

Better to just keep quiet in the dugout and never say or do anything that would lead anyone to assume you have confidence in your abilities.

Thumbs up!

Mitchell

May 23rd, 2012
1:56 am

This is all part of why we’re 0-7 on Mondays.

This team, offensively, has, over the past three or four seasons, lacks confidence and continues to.

We simply cannot expect a consistent degree of effort or preparation on a given night.

There’s a reason we never have winning streaks bigger than four or five games… except on rare occasions.

They do plenty of things well and there’s a lot to be pleased about but can anybody really count on this team to perform at the same level for the remainder of the season.

As impressive as the offense has been at times this year, if the Braves don’t get dominant pitching down the stretch they’re not going to win games.

We’re no more likely to still be on top of our division at the end of August and September than the Orioles or Indians.

That’s a fact, Jack.

mace224

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 am

I wish Francisco would take a slow trot to another team.

Dub366

May 23rd, 2012
6:41 am

as long he’s putting number on the board who cares how he do it. it just another dark player not meeting BRAVES STANDARD

Ebenezer Snerdberg

May 23rd, 2012
7:10 am

I second all of that. Fire Fredi Cox. Trade Roger McCox for some used resin bags!

Jerry

May 23rd, 2012
7:34 am

I llike Freddi fine and his public comments serve a purpose. But the Braves need to find a heart. Baseball is not about biscuits and sweet tea, it’s about playing to win. Sometimes winners are a bit cocky. We don’t need any of that “he must not be from around here” attitude. The young man is playing hard and the Braves need him. Atlanta fans deserve a winner. Being good is an intentional choice. Go Braves, tear ‘em up.

Yunel Escobar

May 23rd, 2012
8:44 am

I don’t see anything wrong with this.

urban redneck

May 23rd, 2012
8:56 am

wow, first time i have agreed with something fredi had to say!

urban redneck

May 23rd, 2012
8:57 am

now if i can just agree with my wife and mark bradley today, i’ll win the triple crown.

Mikey

May 23rd, 2012
9:15 am

The real issue here regardless of what this anti Gonzalez/Francisco dribble infers, is that the Braves cannot win without Chipper in the lineup!

Johnny Braves

May 23rd, 2012
9:26 am

Juan needs to be gone. Wonder who scouted this clown. Hat on sideways or pushed back on his head like little league. It’s all or nothing on the swing and he fields his poistion like he’s 50. Love that slide though. Would love to have Hoover back as he will pitch a long time in the show.

Jax Falcon/Dog Fan

May 23rd, 2012
9:46 am

There are two issues in question here. First, the over-the-top show up of this former team. While I agree there is no place for this kind of behavior in the game, the circumstances behind his move may have justified it, or at least a watered down version of it. The more disturbing part of it was his response to Fredi, and I felt Fredi’s response to him was right on. Francisco never was and never will be a superstar in this league. His actions disrespected his former as well as his current team, not to mention himself.

Nevada Roy

May 23rd, 2012
9:49 am

Designate Fransisco for assignment (if we lose him okay) otherwise send him to Gwinett. Bring up Gattis (sp?) for LF, Prado to third.

BraveMan

May 23rd, 2012
10:34 am

Too many ballplayers are like this now. A guy hitting .208 with nine CAREER homers acting like a star. No class!

Trevor

May 23rd, 2012
11:01 am

@johnhopkins you took something Freddi said WAYYY out of context! Go back and read again. Freddi said “I don’t like it here.” As in, I don’t like people Showboating here! He’s not wanting to leave Dude!

wjones

May 23rd, 2012
11:13 am

Juan, I think, needs to do his homework. If Fredi wasnt’ going to take it from a REAL star (Hanley), who does Juan think he is? He’s definitely NOT the “chosen Juan”.

count_schemula

May 23rd, 2012
11:24 am

I want to like Juan.

The situation is this. He is not playing for this year, he’s playing for next year. When he has a poor at-bat, misplays a grounder, throws it in the stands, dances around the base paths… all of that negates any home runs he hits.

If he is too thick to see that lots of big power guys with little else to their game (Wily Mo Pena) have more or less gone nowhere in this this game… then, he’s just thick in the head.

3b is for the Atlanta Braves is up for grabs next year and you are right there in the mix. If that does not motivate you to work hard, then, he’ll be out of baseball in a few years, just another footnote.

JohnDrake6

May 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

I’m reminded of the famous quote from an NFL coach (Tom Landry?) to players who showboated in the endzone after TDs: “act like you’ve been there before”.

That said, let’s deal with it and move on. It seems as if much of the reaction here is proxy for how one feels about the kid or Fredi.

BrandonLee49

May 23rd, 2012
1:03 pm

Red Sox are gonna demand high stakes for Youkalis, they need Quality Pitching – Nobody is gonna give up a Seasoned Talent for a “wish upon a star” candidate…

BrandonLee49

May 23rd, 2012
1:08 pm

Was it Lack of Pitching last night or Lack of Offense ???? Since Nobody on the Braves Staff has an ERA of 1, then Obviously we;ve got to look at Run Production, sure everybody thinks HR at American Park, but Where is any Run Production being even considered… FG is sitting over there ASLEEP when he needs to be generating some Offense.

don

May 23rd, 2012
1:39 pm

Typical trade by the Braves. Francisco is an over weight, under motivated dud. the Reds knew what they were dumping on the Braves. On the other hand, Hoover is already in the bullpen for the Reds (something that may never have happened with the Braves) and is performing well.

BrandonLee49

May 23rd, 2012
2:06 pm

When was the last time we’ve had any Offensive Movement to get Runs across… Without the Aid of HR.. C’mon FG you aren’t getting paid to Sit on Your A__ and read Avenger Comic Books… Tommy Lasorda would’ve had one after another situation plnned to get even One run across… Why the Hell wee the Dodgers so adept at Beating the Braves 3-2, 2-1… etc… it was because Their MGR Generated . C’mon FG DO Somethiing besides Sit around and Wait for Somebody to JAck one out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drew Mercer

May 23rd, 2012
2:39 pm

Braves need to make getting a top shelf 3rd baseman their number one priority. Francisco may have fit into the lower part of the lineup last year… but our offense has moved on from there.

TOMY FOURNIER

May 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm

TRADE FRANCISCO…AND FIRE FREDDY CUBANITO MARIELITO MORON GONZALEZ…YA!!!!

Jalen

May 23rd, 2012
4:09 pm

Coach him up. Kid has some serious power. Just has to cut down on strikeouts. I like his potential. Doesn’t hurt to keep him around, especially with the amount of games Chipper is gonna miss in this his last year.

If everyone here got a chance to get back at their former employer somehow, you would probably do it. Sorry, but not that big a deal to me. Last 20 years, players been watching homers from batters box (Bonds, David Ortiz, Ryan Braun, Ryan Howard and numerous others), showboating (Rickey Henderson, Nyjer Morgan) bat flipping (Josh Hamilton, others). No big deal.

SheriT

May 23rd, 2012
5:02 pm

I wish the Reds would take him back. He has nothing to be cocky about. His play at 3rd is mediocre at best. Give me a 40 yr old Chipper any day. I’d feel better with Prado back at 3rd and Diaz in the outfield. But whatever. Props to Fredi for setting that straight.

wjones

May 23rd, 2012
5:14 pm

Well if Bonds, Ortiz, Braun, Howard, Henderson, Hamilton want to showboat, I don’t endorse it, but they are big boys, stars–in some cases mega-stars–so that is their little red wagon. Nyjer Morgan is a punk. Not a good analogy–not someone I would aspire to be, other than making his annual salary. As someone else put it very astutely—act like you’ve been here before. 10 homers? Get back to me after your first 100 at least!

Josephus

May 23rd, 2012
5:37 pm

not a fan of francisco, but it WAS his former team, and if i’m not mistaken, he WAS brushed back the night before. i can see how it might be tempting to gloat for a second

Jalen

May 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm

I like his bat off the bench and spot starting. Prado at 3rd and Diaz starting is one of our WORST lineups. I would luv to see our record in those situations. Yeah Diaz can hit lefties to the right field gap, but THATS ALL HE DOES. His defense is below sub par…BELOW.

Keep this kid Francisco around. He is only 24. He has plenty of time to mature. Besides Braves organization can have a LITTLE fun and quit being so uptight all the time. Sheesh.

Maria

May 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm

Another funny comment Fredi made to him after Francisco said, “that’s what I do”, Fredi told him, “you have 10 homers, what right do you have to do that?”

Just saying..

May 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm

Tell him, Fredi!

Bill

May 23rd, 2012
11:27 pm

Braves trade Sutton to Pirates yesterday and today he was traded to Rays…sounds like Pirates had a fish on the line and Braves were the bait.

Joe 12-Pack

June 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm

First off, God forbid someone in this clubhouse besides Chipper show a little fire. Fredi sure as heck does not have any.

Secondly, why does he feel the need to share this with the press? Keep that info in-house.

I am getting a little sick of Fredi.

r

June 13th, 2012
2:51 pm

This has been my problem with the Braves. They have no passion and no attitude. Why when football players dance in the end zone does nobody criticize them for showing up the other team? Sure it shows no class, but these are grown men playing a children’s game, so who really cares?

mike crachiolo

July 31st, 2012
9:54 pm

THE BRAVES ARE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING NOW THIS 2 ME IS WASTE OF TIME
LET’G GET REAL BRAVES

Bill W.

August 8th, 2012
2:05 pm

Poster stated above-”Fredi learned any thing from Bobby he should know you never show your own players up. If it ticked him off he should have called Juan into is office and let him have it in PRIVATE.”

That’s generally good advice. I assume Fredi did basically say it in private in the dugout. But, Franciso’s jerk comment probably lead Fredi to believe the message still hadn’t gotten across-and repeated it to the reporter.

Chris Sanchez

August 16th, 2012
8:21 pm

Liking Fredi more and more!

Motocross Survivor

August 28th, 2012
11:27 am

Why do cats meow?

Mike Franklin

September 1st, 2012
11:03 pm

‘Class’ is no longer considered by younger fans and players. The idea of being professional is largely ignore. Arrogance is embraced… ego and selfishness is what stirs applause.

Stopped going to see baseball games for just this reason.

Mike Franklin

September 1st, 2012
11:03 pm

‘Class’ is no longer considered by younger fans and players. The idea of being professional is largely ignore. Arrogance is embraced… ego and selfishness is what stirs applause.

Stopped going to see baseball games for just this reason.

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