Ok I love the Braves! I fully believe in supporting a player when they’re not doing to well. But seriously? JJ got sent down for less than what Minor has done. Why not call up Teahran (hope thats right) and send Minor down?
DJ, Jurrjens had been pitching bad since last year’s AS break and had a poor spring training. Minor was the Braves’ best starter in ST and had a great three start stretch before getting in this poor four start stretch. He’s not that far removed from success.
interesting matchup. Leake is one of the guys who were thought to have higher upsife than Minor and was taken one pick later. so far both have struggled but Leake does have a better ERA
Dan Uggla is proving to be as big a choker as last year, with any runners on base. Bring that loser to the plate early in the game, and he’s an automatic strike out. It’s like he has no clue at the plate. Once again, he’s proving to be a waste of a huge amount of money.
I think you said that already (and not sure why you find it so funny) but yeah, sometimes you do have to have some patience. A rare thing among bloggers, I know. But it can be a good thing for teams
Patience is one thing, a 7+era through 6 or 7 starts is another. Let’s face it, had he not had a good spring, he would be in Gwinnett right now. We’re in a division which is probably the best in baseball and we can’t afford to give away many games before the first pitch is even thrown.
Charlie, you should take a look at Uggla’s #s with any combination of runners on this season, they are kind of interesting. Doing well with RISP and bases loaded, but not so well with runners on or RISP and 2 out.
“Patience is one thing, a 7+era through 6 or 7 starts is another. Let’s face it, had he not had a good spring, he would be in Gwinnett right now. We’re in a division which is probably the best in baseball and we can’t afford to give away many games before the first pitch is even thrown.”
The spot was his to lose, so he wouldn’t have been in Gwinnett unless Delgado or Teheran outperformed him. And he also had a great stretch of three starts before this bad run of four starts.
When its this bad, dang right its too patient. Send him down, get things fixed and bring the guy back up. Trust me, I wish he was one of the top guys in this rotation and that this wasn’t even a topic of conversation but the fact is that it is.
Another great article, DOB. Listening to Fredi’s “explanation” for his “support” for the struggling young pitchers this season, I have but one question: Where was all this “support” for Cory Gearrrin this spring? The kid didn’t give up a run until the last two spring training games, and that was still a whole lot less that what Delgado gave up. Yet, Fredi and the staff didn’t think twice about sending him on the first train back to Gwinnett for someone who gave up more runs in one game than Cory has given up all season. I find this “explanation” just a little inconsistent. I guess it all comes down to is who you believe in and who you don’t. Tell me what’s consistent and supportive about that.
I usually have to listen to Chip and Joe, but for some reason the ESPN feed is sneaking through tonight. Now before some of the mega-fans start claiming that the ESPN guys hate the Braves because they are calling a spade a spade……I actually find it refreshing to hear what seems like a pretty objective call instead of the homer call. I’m ok with the home feed that I watch most of the time, but I tire of the excuses that they spit out sometimes.
I remember when the Braves could boast that they had the best group of announcers in the business. Sadly, I think those days are gone. On the radio, Jim Powell is ok, but Don Sutton should NOT be allowed to call play-by-play, and Ben Ingram’s voice is like fingernails on a chalk board to me. On the TV side, Joe Simpson is the only link to broadcasting days gone by, but he’s only average, and Chip is a joke. I think Tom Glavine and Dale Murphy are both better than Chip ever thought of being.
There will never be another group like Pete, Skip, and Ernie. I miss ‘em.
I remember when the Braves could boast that they had the best group of announcers in the business. Sadly, I think those days are gone. On the radio, Jim Powell is ok, but Don Sutton should NOT be allowed to call play-by-play, and Ben Ingram’s voice is like fingernails on a chalk board to me. On the TV side, Joe Simpson is the only link to broadcasting days gone by, but he’s only average, and Chip is a joke. I think Tom Glavine and Dale Murphy are both better than Chip ever thought of being.
There will never be another group like Pete, Skip, and Ernie. I miss ‘em.
” that was a great catch! If he had not made that catch Bourn would have got on and the Braves could have taken a lead, and the game mat have gotten away from the Reds.!!!”
We’re gonna have to start calling DOB “Stat Man” as he is full of them. What I really love are some of these stats that are just totally irrelevant and at random. Like the one the other day that said “the Braves are so and so since April 10th” (of course it was a winning record) and I was curious as to why they selected the random date of 4/10. I had to say “well, Duh” when I saw that it was the day after the first four games of the year, ALL LOSSES! Stats are like polls, they can be manipulated and slanted!
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Rick
May 21st, 2012
7:26 pm
I didn’t think the pitch on that HR was bad at all.
Disgusted
May 21st, 2012
7:27 pm
I sort of hope that Minor gets nicked up for 4 R in the first so they can take him out and they have a chance to come back.
I am not rooting for that BUMB anymore, because is is so so Jo Jo REyes. He needs to be DFA’ed NOW
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
May 21st, 2012
7:27 pm
so many homeruns now has minor given up in his past 4 starts??
Fish Bisch
May 21st, 2012
7:27 pm
Trade Minor for Derek Lowe.
ncbravesfan90
May 21st, 2012
7:28 pm
I think now would be the appropriate time for this….Oswalt
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
May 21st, 2012
7:28 pm
sorry, how
Sopheee
May 21st, 2012
7:29 pm
Strikes are your friend, MM.
Disgusted
May 21st, 2012
7:29 pm
No one wants Minor. Derek was not that bad in 2009 and 10. No WC without Derek in 2010.
Minor is so hopeless, its sad that he is such a bad pitcher.
Disgusted
May 21st, 2012
7:30 pm
When you run the team on the cheap, you sometimes wind up with the Mike Minors of the world.
DJ
May 21st, 2012
7:30 pm
Ok I love the Braves! I fully believe in supporting a player when they’re not doing to well. But seriously? JJ got sent down for less than what Minor has done. Why not call up Teahran (hope thats right) and send Minor down?
Fish Bisch
May 21st, 2012
7:30 pm
Medlin needs to be warming up in the pen.
JC Brave
May 21st, 2012
7:31 pm
Another great Monday on its way already…
I can’t think of a worse combination than Minor + Mondays + Hitter’s ballpark…
No wait, let me take that back, or Durbin might prove me wrong…
phil
May 21st, 2012
7:31 pm
A homer and two walks per inning do not a bad pitcher make…
Disgusted
May 21st, 2012
7:31 pm
At least JJ has had major league success in the recent past, Minor is minor nothing.
cabravesfan
May 21st, 2012
7:31 pm
DJ-
JJ got sent down because he has struggled since after the all star game last year and through spring. Minor has not.
J-MAN
May 21st, 2012
7:32 pm
Well I guess Oswalt would have gave up 3 HRs and 9 walks…….SMH Lets go for it and sign a REAL STARTER…….OSWALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rick
May 21st, 2012
7:32 pm
DJ, Jurrjens had been pitching bad since last year’s AS break and had a poor spring training. Minor was the Braves’ best starter in ST and had a great three start stretch before getting in this poor four start stretch. He’s not that far removed from success.
nolie
May 21st, 2012
7:33 pm
interesting matchup. Leake is one of the guys who were thought to have higher upsife than Minor and was taken one pick later. so far both have struggled but Leake does have a better ERA
Bat Masterson
May 21st, 2012
7:34 pm
Okay, get some runs
Kat
May 21st, 2012
7:35 pm
Okay ESPN we are in the middle of a game… I don’t care about the Marlins.
njbraves
May 21st, 2012
7:35 pm
Disgusted…Do you speak English??
Charlie
May 21st, 2012
7:36 pm
Dan Uggla is proving to be as big a choker as last year, with any runners on base. Bring that loser to the plate early in the game, and he’s an automatic strike out. It’s like he has no clue at the plate. Once again, he’s proving to be a waste of a huge amount of money.
DJ
May 21st, 2012
7:37 pm
Oh yeah, thanks Rick. I actually had completely forgotten how bad JJ did the second half of last year.
ncbravesfan90
May 21st, 2012
7:37 pm
cabravesfan,
We gotta have that patience with him, oh and he’s young right? haha
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
May 21st, 2012
7:37 pm
there you go juan!!
Kat
May 21st, 2012
7:37 pm
HR!
cabravesfan
May 21st, 2012
7:37 pm
And we’re tied
Bat Masterson
May 21st, 2012
7:37 pm
Man oh man
Heyward is letting a hittable first pitch go by in almost ever AB
Now the Reds announcers are saying more dumb stuff
Fish Bisch
May 21st, 2012
7:38 pm
Ben Fransico!!!!
BFChris27
May 21st, 2012
7:38 pm
I am watching Reds feed
I don’t care for ESPN unless I have to watch Braves on it.
FRANCISCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bat Masterson
May 21st, 2012
7:38 pm
Oh he’ll the ESPN guys are saying dumb stuff. Imagine that
phil
May 21st, 2012
7:38 pm
Someone will get lit up next AB….
Nice job, Franny!
njbraves
May 21st, 2012
7:39 pm
The Braves can’t possibly have tied the game…it was over when they fell behind 1-0 in the 1st inning.
Bat Masterson
May 21st, 2012
7:39 pm
Oh hell*
cabravesfan
May 21st, 2012
7:39 pm
ncbravesfan90-
I think you said that already (and not sure why you find it so funny) but yeah, sometimes you do have to have some patience. A rare thing among bloggers, I know. But it can be a good thing for teams
count_schemula
May 21st, 2012
7:39 pm
Minor damn it.
Juan lé boo ya!
Kat
May 21st, 2012
7:40 pm
Are these announcers extra boring or is it just me? Their enthusiasm matches that of a spelling bee announcer.
cabravesfan
May 21st, 2012
7:40 pm
That was one of the most casual home run swings I’ve seen. Kid has massive power
JC Brave
May 21st, 2012
7:41 pm
Devin Mesoraco looks like a serial killer… What a creepy face that dude has…
phil
May 21st, 2012
7:41 pm
Charlie – uggla is night and day over last yr at this point…
Sure, the guy swings and misses more than most major leaguers combined, but he’s doing ok and that works.
cabravesfan
May 21st, 2012
7:41 pm
Kat-
The ESPN guys? Yeah, they are lacking some energy
ncbravesfan90
May 21st, 2012
7:42 pm
Patience is one thing, a 7+era through 6 or 7 starts is another. Let’s face it, had he not had a good spring, he would be in Gwinnett right now. We’re in a division which is probably the best in baseball and we can’t afford to give away many games before the first pitch is even thrown.
Rick
May 21st, 2012
7:42 pm
Charlie, you should take a look at Uggla’s #s with any combination of runners on this season, they are kind of interesting. Doing well with RISP and bases loaded, but not so well with runners on or RISP and 2 out.
Kat
May 21st, 2012
7:42 pm
cab-
Yeah the ESPN announcers.
Bat Masterson
May 21st, 2012
7:43 pm
Boring and stupid is a really bad combination, Kat.
cabravesfan
May 21st, 2012
7:44 pm
we can’t afford to give away many games before the first pitch is even thrown.
I’ve never seen a team give away a game before it starts.
And you think 6 or 7 starts is too patient? Wow. Glad you were not around when Maddux or Glavine were in their first seasons…
Rick
May 21st, 2012
7:44 pm
“Patience is one thing, a 7+era through 6 or 7 starts is another. Let’s face it, had he not had a good spring, he would be in Gwinnett right now. We’re in a division which is probably the best in baseball and we can’t afford to give away many games before the first pitch is even thrown.”
The spot was his to lose, so he wouldn’t have been in Gwinnett unless Delgado or Teheran outperformed him. And he also had a great stretch of three starts before this bad run of four starts.
phil
May 21st, 2012
7:45 pm
Heyward often looks like me chasing fly balls….they nearly eat the guy up part of the time, wind or not.
Way to not move your bloated body in front of the grounder, franny.
count_schemula
May 21st, 2012
7:45 pm
Juan damn it.
Just make it easier for me to like you…
ncbravesfan90
May 21st, 2012
7:45 pm
When its this bad, dang right its too patient. Send him down, get things fixed and bring the guy back up. Trust me, I wish he was one of the top guys in this rotation and that this wasn’t even a topic of conversation but the fact is that it is.
LAG
May 21st, 2012
7:46 pm
Is it just me, or does Mike Leake look a lot more like Bronson Arroyo these days?
J-MAN
May 21st, 2012
7:46 pm
Aaron Boone is like a bottle of Ambien. Rick Sutcliff is almost there. Too bad we couldnt get Jhon Boog Schambi to call this game
TNScott
May 21st, 2012
7:46 pm
Another great article, DOB. Listening to Fredi’s “explanation” for his “support” for the struggling young pitchers this season, I have but one question: Where was all this “support” for Cory Gearrrin this spring? The kid didn’t give up a run until the last two spring training games, and that was still a whole lot less that what Delgado gave up. Yet, Fredi and the staff didn’t think twice about sending him on the first train back to Gwinnett for someone who gave up more runs in one game than Cory has given up all season. I find this “explanation” just a little inconsistent. I guess it all comes down to is who you believe in and who you don’t. Tell me what’s consistent and supportive about that.
ncbravesfan90
May 21st, 2012
7:47 pm
Rick,
If he had a bad spring coupled with a bad, scratch that, terrible start, then he would have been sent down to Gwinnett, see Jair Jurjjens.
cabravesfan
May 21st, 2012
7:47 pm
ncbravesfan90-
Like Rick said, it’s been the last 4 starts. No, 4 starts is not long enough to do something drastic
J-MAN
May 21st, 2012
7:48 pm
Good point TNScott…..now the Bases loaded with Votto this is about to get ugly
Rick
May 21st, 2012
7:48 pm
“If he had a bad spring coupled with a bad, scratch that, terrible start, then he would have been sent down to Gwinnett, see Jair Jurjjens.”
My point was that he’s only been bad half of his starts. He’s only four starts removed from having great success at the ML level.
nolie
May 21st, 2012
7:48 pm
no worries, Mike has got this
count_schemula
May 21st, 2012
7:49 pm
Oh for the love of all that is x.
ncbravesfan90
May 21st, 2012
7:49 pm
5 of 8 of his starts he has given up 6 or more runs
cabravesfan
May 21st, 2012
7:49 pm
JJ also had a bad 2nd half last year
LAG
May 21st, 2012
7:49 pm
On one hand, Minor should have gotten Stubbs out during that AB.
On the other hand, if anyone scores, charge the runs to Francisco for missing that grounder from Leake.
Thinker
May 21st, 2012
7:49 pm
I usually have to listen to Chip and Joe, but for some reason the ESPN feed is sneaking through tonight. Now before some of the mega-fans start claiming that the ESPN guys hate the Braves because they are calling a spade a spade……I actually find it refreshing to hear what seems like a pretty objective call instead of the homer call. I’m ok with the home feed that I watch most of the time, but I tire of the excuses that they spit out sometimes.
nolie
May 21st, 2012
7:49 pm
we’re ok, Votto is an easy out
Bat Masterson
May 21st, 2012
7:50 pm
Come on Mike, don’t be a bumb
ncbravesfan90
May 21st, 2012
7:50 pm
“My point was that he’s only been bad half of his starts. He’s only four starts removed from having great success at the ML level.”
Well if that’s the case then we could make the arguement that Chuck James could be the ace of this staff
count_schemula
May 21st, 2012
7:50 pm
I’m pro Juan, but this mess is his fault.
Rick
May 21st, 2012
7:50 pm
I’ve got both the Braves and ESPN broadcast here, switching between both every inning or two.
Nola
May 21st, 2012
7:51 pm
Minor refuses to pitch inside.
David O'Brien
May 21st, 2012
7:51 pm
This is not good.
Sopheee
May 21st, 2012
7:51 pm
Don’t you do it Minor.
Squeeze Play
May 21st, 2012
7:51 pm
I remember when the Braves could boast that they had the best group of announcers in the business. Sadly, I think those days are gone. On the radio, Jim Powell is ok, but Don Sutton should NOT be allowed to call play-by-play, and Ben Ingram’s voice is like fingernails on a chalk board to me. On the TV side, Joe Simpson is the only link to broadcasting days gone by, but he’s only average, and Chip is a joke. I think Tom Glavine and Dale Murphy are both better than Chip ever thought of being.
There will never be another group like Pete, Skip, and Ernie. I miss ‘em.
J-MAN
May 21st, 2012
7:51 pm
Jesus Minor is shakey
Disgusted
May 21st, 2012
7:51 pm
Minor won’t last past the fourth inning this time around.
Rick
May 21st, 2012
7:52 pm
Francisco just couldn’t make it easy for Minor I guess.
count_schemula
May 21st, 2012
7:52 pm
aaahhhhhhhhhh!
nolie
May 21st, 2012
7:52 pm
see I toldja we was gonna be fine…
Bravefaninok
May 21st, 2012
7:52 pm
Well that is scary,but no damage…..lets get this kid a few runs!
Disgusted
May 21st, 2012
7:53 pm
Powell is not bad but he is just plain boring. Vanilla, but compared to what we were used to, it is not going to measure up.
count_schemula
May 21st, 2012
7:53 pm
47 pitches after 2.
20 of those are Juans.
At least Minor danced out of it.
We see Livan tonight.
I love Livan.
Not in this ballpark tho.
phil
May 21st, 2012
7:53 pm
They don’t send em back to Gwinnett on trains anymore….
Wait.
They never did. Richmond…maybe.
Bat Masterson
May 21st, 2012
7:53 pm
I actually find it refreshing to hear what seems like a pretty objective call instead of the homer call
That may be, but I’ve heard some dumb, uniformed, sheeple bs.
J-MAN
May 21st, 2012
7:54 pm
Minor hasnt lasted 5 innings since forever.
Nola
May 21st, 2012
7:54 pm
If you refuse to throw the ball in to left handers you will never be an effective pitcher .
nolie
May 21st, 2012
7:55 pm
caint be any dummer that stuff that Joe,Ron and Brian often say, Bat
phil
May 21st, 2012
7:55 pm
Squeeze Play
May 21st, 2012
7:51 pm
I remember when the Braves could boast that they had the best group of announcers in the business. Sadly, I think those days are gone. On the radio, Jim Powell is ok, but Don Sutton should NOT be allowed to call play-by-play, and Ben Ingram’s voice is like fingernails on a chalk board to me. On the TV side, Joe Simpson is the only link to broadcasting days gone by, but he’s only average, and Chip is a joke. I think Tom Glavine and Dale Murphy are both better than Chip ever thought of being.
There will never be another group like Pete, Skip, and Ernie. I miss ‘em.
*********
love this post. Amen.
Disgusted
May 21st, 2012
7:55 pm
The announcers of today just do not have the personality and imagination of the announcers of a generation or two ago.
Its so cookie cutter and that goes for the National guys too.
The best announcer we ever had in this town was the great Dan Kamal. Hope he hooks up somewhere with an NHL team.
phil
May 21st, 2012
7:56 pm
But….
I tend to agree that Chip has gotten a tad better.
J-MAN
May 21st, 2012
7:56 pm
This is where Minor will get lit up
nolie
May 21st, 2012
7:57 pm
Leake lookin like the guys the draft scouts thought he would be….
Nola
May 21st, 2012
7:58 pm
Why do the braves rope guys like Halliday and can’t get good wood on a guy like leake?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
May 21st, 2012
7:58 pm
Patience? We were sold a pitching staff full of “big arms” by Braves management and Mark Bradley.
Patience isn’t supposed to be necessary with “big arms”. Big arms are supposed to be getting the job done. Not serving up gopher balls on 1-2 counts.
nolie
May 21st, 2012
7:58 pm
Minor gonna DOM in NATE tonight
phil
May 21st, 2012
7:58 pm
I think the whole corporate influence thing has sterilized a lot of the announcers into robot mode. Same thing has happened to most drivers in nascar.
Squeeze Play
May 21st, 2012
7:59 pm
Chip has improved from ridiculous to just plain awful.
Bat Masterson
May 21st, 2012
7:59 pm
Oh my god! Just kill me now…….
” that was a great catch! If he had not made that catch Bourn would have got on and the Braves could have taken a lead, and the game mat have gotten away from the Reds.!!!”
Too stupid to live.
phil
May 21st, 2012
8:00 pm
J-MAN
May 21st, 2012
7:56 pm
This is where Minor will get lit up
******
yuup. 6-3 on the put out.
nolie
May 21st, 2012
8:00 pm
Chip is a LONG way from awful
phil
May 21st, 2012
8:01 pm
J-MAN
May 21st, 2012
7:56 pm
This is where Minor will get lit up.
*******
2 on the putout.
D.A. Nuggla
May 21st, 2012
8:02 pm
We’re gonna have to start calling DOB “Stat Man” as he is full of them. What I really love are some of these stats that are just totally irrelevant and at random. Like the one the other day that said “the Braves are so and so since April 10th” (of course it was a winning record) and I was curious as to why they selected the random date of 4/10. I had to say “well, Duh” when I saw that it was the day after the first four games of the year, ALL LOSSES! Stats are like polls, they can be manipulated and slanted!