1:33 pm May 21, 2012, by David O'Brien
May 21st, 201210:41 pm
That’s the secret of pitching, being able to put the ball where he wanted to. The kid, is an artist.” _ BravesFAN
$ ……… The pitcher/artist formerly known as Meldeen.
2nd worst ERA in the Naational League……..BravesFAN please spin that into a positive
May 21st, 201210:43 pm
How crazy so many of us are talking about getting a starter. Hasn’t that been the main strength with the team for 2 years now?
But yeah, we need another good arm in the rotation. I still could see maybe Burnett or more realistic is a Bedard.
May 21st, 201210:44 pm
Because he’s a great reliever, and might not be a great starter – but I know you ignore my opinion…
May 21st, 201210:45 pm
I think Minor was a little bit fortunate tonight. He wiggled off the hook in the second an never showed command until his last 7 hitters. More mistake pitches and he paid dearly. All 4 homeruns were hit with 2 strike counts.
Jair Jurrjens gave up 11 hits, 7 R (6 ER) in 4-1/3 innings tonight in Triple-A Gwinnett’s 10-1 loss to Rochester.
He has a 6.10 ERA in five starts for Gwinnett.
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
#yankees go 0 for 13 with risp tonite. And no, wiseguy, that doesn’t improve their BA in those situations. 6 for last 72.
May 21st, 201210:46 pm
DS1 – I hear you but I’ve been to two of his starts and he couldn’t locate his fastball to save his life. He was very hittable and a lot of that is because he doesn’t have a good breaking ball so if he has trouble locating his fast ball he’s screwed. That’s the main reason Delgado is in Atlanta because he has 3 pitches that are major league ready and Teheran only as two. Regardless, Teheran has had several starts where he didn’t even make it out of the 3rd inning.
His fastball still has a lot of zip and a lot of life, his change-up is very good as well, but he can’t consistently throw the curve with any success and it’s no where near ready for the majors. His curve isn’t even a AAA pitch yet. He still has a lot of work to do. He hasn’t progressed the way Atlanta and the scouts had projected and many are wondering how much work he put in this off season…
May 21st, 201210:47 pm
Of course I do, VJ. Especially when you disagree with me.
I don’t think anyone has called Minor an ace…
JJ is gone I think. Meaning as a Brave. He can’t even get minor leguers out now. What a shame at how fast he fell. I know it’s baseball and he could rebound soon, but something is more wrong with him than just velocity and a hidden injury. Between the ears possibly.
Heyward had a couple of chances to come through with two outs tonight, too bad he didn’t.
Bobby needs to get him on the phone and tell him to ambush a few of those first pitch strikes he’s watching pass by. It’s happening too often in the past several games.
May 21st, 201210:48 pm
If Delgado can get over his gransalamiitis, then Minor being the 5th starter is a bit less of an issue.
First, I love Medlen, and was hoping he would get a chance to start this year. But he’d need to get stretched out before he could be very helpful. Until then, you hurt your staff quite a bit.
I see the Braves patience as eventually paying off with Delgado and Minor.
And while Martinez, Venters and O’Flaherty still struggle, I really don’t see Kris being moved from the pen. And Gearrin might be the real deal, if he truly has figured out how to get out lefties. Not sure I want to count on him at this point.
Martinez, Venters and O’Flaherty are the key as to what happens with Medlen.
One of the two outs Heyward made with RISP was smoked right at Brandon Phillips.
J-MAN – you need to relax – we won’t be in the cellar all year…
May 21st, 201210:51 pm
What is your opinion on calling up Teheran?
I just think it’s a huge waste of talent, Wayne. But, I seem to be in the minority. Oh well, not the first time.
May 21st, 201210:52 pm
I think that JJ’s main (and maybe only) issue is mental- whether it is a fear that he will hurt his knee again or just mounting frustration over the way he’s pitching, but it’s something…I hope he figures it out because I do like him and want him to succeed, even if it’s not in Atlanta. I also agree that he probably won’t be back (or non tendered anyways…not sure if the Braves could resign him at a lesser price if they go that route…)
May 21st, 201210:53 pm
Besides, if Medlen is in the rotation and giving us quality starts, it takes pressure off the bullpen, anyhow.
As for Minor, you can coach his mechanics, you can coach his approach and mindset. You can’t go out there and execute pitches for him. He has to do that himself. You can have great stuff and a great approach, but if you don’t execute pitches, you are going to get hit. It’s the one thing no one has control over other than Minor.
May 21st, 201210:54 pm
Minor needs to think like Tom Glavine instead of Randy Johnson…….
Opponets are hitting .286 12 HR and 32 RBIs……Those would be MVP typ of numbers of here were an offensive player…………..He has had 9 Starts…..Its not like having 3 bad starts. I think its time to pull the plug
but short term, moving Meds to the rotation would put more pressure on the pen, which could have adverse effects later in the season…
I think Fredi and the org is deathly afraid of burning out the pen this year, hence one of the couple of decent reasons to be a bit more patient with Minor.
Minor might not ever be much, but he showed some promise early in the year. Hard to just dismiss that when you play under a restrictive budget. Kinda gotta dance with the one that brung ya sometimes.
May 21st, 201210:55 pm
Brava – I would like to see how he does in the rotation, because I am a big fan – I just figure that this is the route taken for this year, and, unless things go much farther south, might as well stick to the plan for now…
May 21st, 201210:56 pm
Don’t forget the Braves have the 2nd best record in the NL and are currently in 1st place in the NL East. I have a funny feeling the offense will regress some and the pitching will improve. EOF, Venters, and whoever are 5th starter will end up being will all start to pitch better in my honest opinion. If it’s not Minor that will improve it will be Medlen imo. It’s much easier and much cheaper to find a long reliever than it is to find a good starting pitcher. Medlen is a good pitcher period, bullpen, starting, whatever you need from him. Minor will continue to get every chance in the world to improve and if he doesn’t Wren and Fredi will move Medlen from the pen into the starting rotation. A starting pitcher is just more important than a long relief pitcher. I think the Braves have faith that if they move Medlen into the starting rotation they can find one of their many arms in the rotation to replace Medlen in the pen.
May 21st, 201210:57 pm
Besides, if Medlen is in the rotation and giving us quality starts, it takes pressure off the bullpen, anyhow
Only if the Braves score 6-8 runs in Kris’ starts. The dude would only be able to go 5-6 innings, he’s not stretched out enough to go 7-8 right now.
Yeah, I thought Heyward hit that ball pretty good but it was hard to tell on TV. I missed another of his PAs tonight when the broadcast froze up. Still in the past several games the first pitch he gets has often been the most hittable one he sees.
May 21st, 201210:58 pm
The dude would only be able to go 5-6 innings
At this stage, Kris can probably only go 3 to 4 innings, at least for a few starts…or go to AAA and get stretched there. Either way, the pen is losing a valuable member and putting more pressure on the ones that are there to pick up the slack
Only way Jurrjens stays a Brave beyond this year is if he figures things out in AAA, comes back and dominates. Otherwise, he gets non-tendered. And how many guys who get non tendered when they have lost their confidence/stuff, ever come back to the team.
He will feel jilted (not deserved, but that’s probably how he will feel).
Besides, if he has a problem with conditioning as has been alluded to, then we probably don’t want him back.
May 21st, 201211:01 pm
I personally think we need another starter and another reliever to take some pressure off of Venters Medlen and Kimbrel………or MedVentabrel
May 21st, 201211:02 pm
Later Braves fans!
Bo Graves!!! Tomorrow is a new day!
ok, folks, here’s the good news.
Minor only has to pitch once more before the Braves have some off days. On schedule, he would pitch on Saturday against the Nats (5/26). Five days later (the 31), the Braves are off so they could skip Minor there. They are also off on June 4th. Huddy gets pushed back a day and they can skip Minor again without missing a beat. They next time they would need him is June 9th. Maybe they have Minot make one more start then send to him to Gwinnett for a couple of weeks while they skip a couple of his starts.
May 21st, 201211:06 pm
Enough Rationalization poor proformances……..Minor hasnt performed…..send him down .
Next Man Up
JJ didnt performed and he gets sent down now its time for Minor to get sent down
May 21st, 201211:07 pm
Yeah JJ captured all of our hearts after getting relentlessly squeezed by that ump in new york a few years back and he battled to beat the Mets and that ump. He showed ice in his veins and big time maturaty.
What happend to our Jair?
May 21st, 201211:08 pm
J-Man, I like your passion for the Braves.
May 21st, 201211:09 pm
here’s my wrap on the game….
May 21st, 201211:10 pm
Ah, the old trifecta of defeat
1- it’s monday
2- Chipper’s hurt and not playing
3- Mike MINOR’s on the bump.
Yes indeedy. From here, it looked like MM couldn’t hit a bull in the azz with a bass fiddle. He was getting about every fifth pitch where he wanted it. The kid’s got to tighten up if he wants to be an effective ML pitcher. Well, that’s how I saw it anyway. With his style of pitching, he’s got to hit the black all the time to get outs. Most of his stuff is not that deceptive.
May 21st, 201211:11 pm
I just don’t agree. I think it’s wrong to coddle a guy who’s had five bad starts in a row. It sends the wrong message to the rest of the players. I guess I’m looking at the situation through the eyes of an old soldier who doesn’t believe the entire team should suffer for the shortcomings of one guy. Oh well.
May 21st, 201211:12 pm
Brava- You’re right. The argument of hurting the bullpen doesn’t hold water. You can move Delgado into the bullpen or better call up Cory Gearrin. The fact of the matter is that nobody wants to remember what happened post-All Star break last year when JJ and Tommy struggled and could put only a handful of quality starts together. Does remember what happened to the bullpen in September? It collapsed from overuse. The Braves have one of the highest ERA’s in the majors and a large part of it is due to the 4th and 5th spots in the rotation and Durbin. It makes no sense to keep a starter, who is 6-2 as a starter, in essentially what amounts to a sixth-inning reliever role pitching an inning every 5 days or so.
May 21st, 201211:13 pm
Minor isn’t going anywhere, people. Not when JJ and Teheran aren’t showing a ton in the minors, especially JJ. I don’t know a lot about this Remond, but Minor still has the ups being more experienced big leaguer and a lefty.
Hey, had to take a phone call.
Any news on the Oswalt front?
May 21st, 201211:14 pm
Anyone else read the article about Cody Ross’s fractured foot from ESPN? In that article, the braves reportedly had scouts watchin youkilis. DOB, can you shed some light here, or is simply the Braves dying their due diligence?
May 21st, 201211:16 pm
Obviously, not DOB, but I don’t see how Youkillis would fit on the Braves- they don’t need a first baseman, and would only need a spot starter at 3rd for when Chipper needs a break
May 21st, 201211:18 pm
Youh is another guy who seemingly caint stay healthy and it has taken a toll on his performance
Minor on allowing 4 HRs at Cincy: “I don’t think it was the ballpark.”
May 21st, 201211:19 pm
May 21st, 201211:21 pm
nolie, I guess the “really?” was for liking J-Man’s passion for the Braves. I totally understand your feeling there, lol. I was trying to throw the guy a bone. He can’t be all that bad, can he?
May 21st, 201211:22 pm
just not sure where Youkilis would fit in with the Braves. If they really were scouting him, I don’t know why.
yup, it were, Lawton
May 21st, 201211:24 pm
Only if the Braves score 6-8 runs in Kris’ starts. The dude would only be able to go 5-6 innings, he’s not stretched out enough to go 7-8 right now
I know that, but it still is better than the 4 or 5 innings we are getting from Delgado and Minor most games they pitch. Plus, we’d likely not be trying to come from behind when the pen took over. Of course, this is pure speculation. I may be wrong, but I think the Braves are just putting off the inevitable here. We’ll see.
May 21st, 201211:26 pm
Youk hasn’t done it a lot but he can play left on top of first and third. guy is making 25 mil over this year and next though, so I think its hard to take seriously
May 21st, 201211:27 pm
Being 6′4″ tall and a lefty has it’s advantages. If he were Medlen’s height and a righty, he’d be back in AAA tomorrow.
May 21st, 201211:28 pm
can never say never, but the Braves have continued to express how much of an asset Meds has been where he is at. Would be a real 180 for then to start him
May 21st, 201211:30 pm
If Minor doesn’t work out, where do they go, nolie? Teheran hasn’t exactly been stellar at Gwinnett.
right nolie, on Youks, but if Prado and Chipper are in the lineup, Youks sits. I don’t see Prado sitting much unless he is hurting, so that only leaves 3B for when Chipper is hurting. Chipper sits a couple of times a week, but thats not enough playing time for Youks.
May 21st, 201211:31 pm
I agree with all of you about our lack of need for youk and his contract. Pitching is more of a glaring need.
May 21st, 201211:32 pm
Hard to win games with only 2 hits, no matter who’s throwing.
May 21st, 201211:33 pm
If Martinez, Venters and O’Flaherty were pitching more consistently, I could maybe see Medlen getting stretched out. But those 3 have been very inconsistent.
Fortunately for the pen, Livan has been a real pleasant addition. “Gas Can” Durbin not so much.
slugging against Minor has to be out the roof.
unless it involved a trade for Prado? I was a huge Youk fan for years, but I just don’t see it for the Braves
May 21st, 201211:34 pm
I like Livan, Wayne. The way he struts around the mound just exudes confidence. I love watching him. He always makes me smile… Well, almost always.
May 21st, 201211:36 pm
No way the Braves trade Prado to make room for a banged up 33 year old hitting .219/.292/.344…who has played 22 games in the outfield in 9 years, and none since 2009 (when he played all of 2)
When I can convince myself to forget about 1997………………..
after one more start from Minor they could almost go with a 4-man rotation until the end of June. They have 5 days off between May 31 and June 25. Mayube Minor gets work at Gwinnett for a while and the Braves can make a decision who to bring up at that point. Maybe Minor irons himself out. Maybe Teheram steps up. Maybe the trade market heats up and they find a veteran to bring in.
May 21st, 201211:37 pm
Braves are 0-7 with 12 runs scored on Mondays.
May 21st, 201211:38 pm
I don’t know what they’ll do Brava, which is why I said you can never say never. But I think they will run Minor out there for awhile yet
May 21st, 201211:39 pm
you get the point. I can spell, but I just don’t type all that well.
May 21st, 201211:40 pm
going with a 4 man does nothing to solve the problem of getting a fifth man set for the rest of the year. I will be kinda surprised if they use that approach on a regular basis
May 21st, 201211:41 pm
everybody hates Mondays but the Braves are making it more intense so far AFAIC
DS1 – Durbin has not been anywhere near as awful of late as you and your buddy T-h paint him…
May 21st, 201211:42 pm
I understand the concept of not wasting an effective starter in the pen. I hear you on that. But my point all along is that with the effort to get him stretched out, I can understand that the org instead is willing to give Delgado and Minor more chances than normal, considering that Teheran doesn’t seem to be quite ready now.
Only way I could see the Braves stretching out Medlen under the present circumstance is if they were able to get another pen arm that would be effective. Would that be Gearrin?
Lawton made a great post earlier outlining the fact that we could go without the 5th starter after the Saturday start for Minor. Might be that on Sunday they send Minor down to keep working and bring in Gearrin or one of the other minor league arms to test them out.
Or they could trade for a reliever.
Then I could see Medlen getting stretched out.
May 21st, 201211:43 pm
MAybe the Monday thing could be in their head?
In his last 5 games Durbin has walked 1 batter (erased stealing) and gotten everyone else out…
May 21st, 201211:45 pm
You might be right, but he’s only been unscored upon for 5 appearances, that have covered 2 and 2/3 innings.
Just not feeling much confidence in him just yet.
May 21st, 201211:46 pm
that might just mean that he is due to totally implode soon….or nor
Meant to say for his LAST 5 appearances.
May 21st, 201211:48 pm
Time to grab a late biscuit…………. later folks.
May 21st, 201211:49 pm
Not completely confident, but he is not exactly the biggest cause for concern on the team…
nite oh sensitive one…
DOWN ON THE FARM
G-Men four hit by the RED WINGS and fall 1-10. The starting pitching was….well, the result was 6 earned of the 10 runs scored for ROCHESTER, and you know who started.
RHSP JAIR JURRGENS [L 2-2, 6.10 ERA] 4.1 IP, 11 H, 1 HR, 7 R, 6 ER, 1 BB, 4 SO. Phew!
RHRP BUDDY CARLISLE [1.68 ERA] 1.2 IP, 3 H, zeros, 1 SO. BUDDY comes on and extinguishes the blaze begun by JJ.
RHRP JAYE CHAPMAN [2.66 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 HR, 2 R/ER, 0 BB, 2 SO.
RHRP JASON RICE [3.38 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 0 SO.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.305 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR , 1 RBI .
LF CHRIS MARRERO [.245 BA] 1-3, 1 2B , 1 SO.
RF STEF GARTRELL [.258 BA] 1-3, 2 SO.
SS JOSH WILSON [.234 BA] 1-3, 1 SO.
Bandits roll and smoke TENNESSEE tonight 8-5.
Lead-off CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.328 BA] 2-4, 2 RBI , 1 BB, 1 SO, 1 SB .
SS AL SIMMONS [.285 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 SO, 1 SAC.
2B PHIL GOSSELIN [.258 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 RBI 
3B JOE LEONARD [.255 BA] 1-2, 1 RBI , 2 BB.
RF CORY HARRILCHAK [.190 BA] 1-4
C MATT KENNELLY [.235 BA] 2-4
LF/3B ALDEN CARRITHERS [.286 BA] 2-4, 1 R
PH TIM SMITH [.500 BA] 1-1, 1 R
PH BARRETT KLEINKNECHT [.183 BA] 1-1, 1 R, 1 2B , 1 RBI .
RHSP DAVID HALE [4.35 ERA] 5.0 IP, 5 H, 1 HR, 4 R/ER, 3 BB, 3 SO. Not a good outing.
LHS/RP LUIS AVILAN [W 1-2, 2.59 ERA] 3.0 IP, 2 H, zeros, 2 BB, 2 SO. AVILAN appears to be a good LH long-reliever.
RHRP MARK LAMM [2.79 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 0 SO. MARK didn’t have it tonight.
No game scheduled.
May 21st, 201211:50 pm
Lawton, yeah, I saw your earlier post. I also hope Minor can figure it out, of course. Just can’t say I have much confidence that will happen.
who ARE those people???
May 21st, 201211:53 pm
I’m a sensitive boy. Somebody is mean to me here and I’m soon in the corner of the room in a ball with my pink tissue wiping away tears of heartache. My emotions run deep.
May 21st, 201211:54 pm
Wayne, I agree with your assessment. Also, think Gearrin may be a good asset for the pen.
May 21st, 201211:55 pm
Durbin has pitched well lately, but I also lack confidence in him. I watch each pitch expecting a disaster to happen.
May 21st, 201211:56 pm
I’m calling it a night…
May 21st, 201211:57 pm
nite cab, I still don’t like the ending of The Finder
May 21st, 201211:58 pm
May 22nd, 201212:01 am
nolie, I think they will, too. He’s being given all the chances in the world to turn it around. I really hope he can.
May 22nd, 201212:04 am
me too Brava, I have never thought he was gonna be anything real special but I also never thought he was gonna have this kinda trouble. I do know that we remarked on his attitude/body language a couple of the games we saw him struggle in at Vandy
May 22nd, 201212:21 am
The Arby’s chicken salad sandwich is actually pretty good.
All we need from our 4th and 5th starters is to pitch .500 ball; keep us in games.
May 22nd, 201212:23 am
He looks scared on the mound.
May 22nd, 20121:06 am
Sounds funny now that Wren wanted a Grienke like return for Jurrjens.
May 22nd, 20121:10 am
So much for all the pitching depth bloggers and management claimed we have.
We are stuck with Minor and can’t find anyone to replace him?
If we were the Padres then I could see patience being the answer but we are in the toughest division in MLB history of past 10 years and we have to stick with Minor and an unproven Delgado?
May 22nd, 20121:32 am
Cheer up! Things could always be worse.
Think how bad it would be to be a blogger stuck on here with you.
May 22nd, 20121:52 am
Can I see some more comparisions, DOB, about how Mike Minor will be the next Tom Glavine please? — Michael G.
Sure, but let’s give it a few days at least before we write more on that subject. But that for the suggestion.
Bob in Conyers, you’re up next. What’cha got to complain about with this first-place team? Fire away.
May 22nd, 20122:23 am
Hello everyone! Minor did make it to the 6th inning, and allowed only 4 runs this time. I think Braves just need to keep sending Minor out there,He will only get better.
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