1:33 pm May 21, 2012, by David O'Brien
May 21st, 20129:34 pm
Dont’t look now, but Uggla has a higher batting average than Freeman.
And he walks more too
Minor pretty much had one bad inning tonight
May 21st, 20129:35 pm
bad call blue… uggla wanted to walk
Joe in SoCal
Bob Geldof also played the role of “Pink” in the movie Pink Floyd’s The Wall. epic.
May 21st, 20129:36 pm
Well, Minor was better 6IP, 4 ER, all homeruns in this bandbox, not too shabby. Of couse it would help if your offense scored more than 1 run
“Minor pretty much had one bad inning tonight”
Which is the difference in the ballgame
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
B-Mac will get it done!
I need to try and catch Roger Waters this summer. I regretted missing the first tour after I saw videos of it.
If I owned the braves I would tell FW to trade Uggla to anybody that would give half dozen rosin bags for him.
May 21st, 20129:37 pm
The difference in the ballgame has a little to do with 1 run on 2 hits so far, don’t you think?
The refusal of the Braves to put Medlen in the rotation at this point is sheer insanity. Sorry, but my patience left the park with Minor’s 4th homer tonight. He has no business on this team. He’s not good enough to be an Atlanta Brave.
May 21st, 20129:38 pm
Wow ESPN, Matt Dee-az???
Never said or implied otherwise…just stating that he pitched acceptably fine except for that inning
I just went back and looked at it..the ball path was through the box but he caught it out of box..My bad. But it was there….
Yep, as it turns out Minor’s gopher balls didn’t really matter. The stand-pat offense failed to produce.
Two on with two outs is something at least.
May 21st, 20129:39 pm
“They say solo homers won’t hurt you — but that rule doesn’t apply when it’s FOUR solo homers.” Tweeted by DOB a while ago
True. Very true. But then again, 4 solo HR won’t hurt you if your offense can muster more than 2 hits off of Mike Frickin’ Leak.
I’ll take our chances most nights if Minor can go 6+ innings allowing only 4 runs. That’s not to say he looked good. Because he didn’t. At all.
But if he had only allowed 2 solo HR, he’d still be on the hook for the loss.
At this point, Minor giving up runs in bunches is NOT a surprise. This offense not beating Leak’s sorry ass all over that bandbox of a park IS.
19-5 with Chipper in lineup.
7-12 without him (barring an amazing comeback).
Chipper Jones for MVP.
Can I see some more comparisions, DOB, about how Mike Minor will be the next Tom Glavine please?
Brava: again I will say, Medlen will not be starting because Fredi needs another reliable bullpen arm and Meds isn’t stretched out enough to start.
People: STOP SUGGESTING MEDLEN TO THE ROTATION. IT WON’T HAPPEN.
May 21st, 20129:40 pm
What the fudge is FSS doing?
Richard Justice @richardjustice
Rangers will consider signing Roy Oswalt as Feliz goes on DL.
May 21st, 20129:41 pm
Dang heyward, watch a strike, swing at a ball.
We just need Cincy to walk four more batters.
thats right fred stop this little rally
May 21st, 20129:42 pm
Time for Jason to make some adjustments. Getting jammed on fastballs and missing offspeed pitches by a foot is getting old.
That’s your opinion, TOBF. I disagree.
praying for a walk
Reid in EAV
No commercials and brief flashes of soccer highlights. Nice to know that professionals are in charge of the FSS broadcast.
May 21st, 20129:43 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan – Wow ESPN, Matt Dee-az???
Correct (well, closer) Spanish pronunciation. The way Matty pronounces it is a huge anomaly.
Yeah…Nice game Ump.
Yikes, Heyward down to .241
Get them tomorrow folks. 0-9 on Monday’s now???
It never helps to win when your offense scores 1 run. Another lose without Chipper.
May 21st, 20129:44 pm
nice post N8 and my thoughts exactly.
Minor will get all the attention on the blog and the press – 6IP and 4 ER not good but not terrible (the 4 solo HR including one to the pitcher was terrible).
It is our lack of offense that was sorry tonight. Freeman’s at bat in the 9th seemed to sum up the evening. Just sorry
Say what you want about Minor, but the offense got shut down by Leake.
That game was no fun to watch. I am having a little bit of concern about the Braves offense right now, but they should be able to snap out of this small funk they are in. I am also ready for the Braves to string together some wins like they did back in early to mid April.
Get em tomorrow hopefully.
May 21st, 20129:45 pm
boy that 1 and 5 leack is goooood.
Heyward is plummeting again
May 21st, 20129:46 pm
Heyward needs to step it up, I know it’s still early in this season and he’s only 22, but after almost 2 years of struggling, you gotta wonder if he’s ready. He hasn’t been right IMO since after the thumb injury in his rookie season.
Rob from SC
Heyward = Lost….
Time for some AAA time
What the Braves offense has “snapped out of” was the overachieving hot streak they were all on to start the season.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled offensive lameness.
May 21st, 20129:47 pm
It doesnt get much better down at Triple A tonight folks, here’s JJ’s stat line:
4.1IP 11 hits 7R 6ER 1BB 4K’s
“Not a bad outing for Mike Minor.” Mr. Jordan’s @ssnalysis.
If you think Medlen shouldn’t be in the rotation then your as stupid as Fruti.
May 21st, 20129:49 pm
Leak is terrible. If you can’t hit Mike Leak. You might not be able to hit. What did they make him throw in the 5th and 6th inning (maybe it was the 6th and 7th? I can’t remember)….. a total of about 14 pitches?
By my calculations, the Braves NEED Chipper to play in about 85-95 of the remaining 119 games to remotely have a shot at 90+ wins.
Who out there thinks he’s playin in around 90 more games this year?
I hate Monday night basebll…Good-night Braves fans..
May 21st, 20129:50 pm
Del gotta go and Mike to the minors
May 21st, 20129:52 pm
“What the Braves offense has “snapped out of” was the overachieving hot streak they were all on to start the season.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled offensive lameness.”
Braves’ last 7 before today: 275/337/385, 34 runs. Not bad at all really.
“If you think Medlen shouldn’t be in the rotation then your as stupid as Fruti.”
I think you missed his point.
May 21st, 20129:53 pm
And the Nats beat the Philth.
One of the worst games I’ve ever seen the Braves play.
May 21st, 20129:56 pm
If you look at the tape, you’ll see that he had some bad defense behind him, there were some balls that should’ve been caught that weren’t and runs scored because of it. He’s looking good down there. It’s not as bad as the numbers show. —- My best Fredi Gonzalez impersonation
The name calling! It’d be nice to have Meds in the rotation, but it isn’t happening right now. If he was, all of you pocket managers would be calling for Fredi’s head because he mismanaged Medlen. Not to mention the heat he’d be taking for using up his good arms in the pen. For O’Ventbrel’s sake, Medlen is in the pen. Get over it dude.
The team is 9 games over .500 a quarter way thru the season. I don’t get what the whining is about. It could be worse.You could be a Padres fan.
May 21st, 20129:57 pm
DOB when are we gonna read about JHey’s struggles at the plate? All I ever hear is how great he’s doing but the fact is he’s hitting a god awful .241 and has a OBP of .333 which is more than 40 points lower than his rookie year OBP. His average and OBP have steadily dropped over the last month or so. He doesn’t hit for enough power to justify a .241 average and a .333 OBP. For somebody that’s supposed to be the next superstar in Atlanta he sure doesn’t put the ball in play too much. If he wants to be a star he’s gonna have to step it up. No excuses anymore. He needs to just go out and get it done…
May 21st, 20129:58 pm
Thanks Rick, at least someone gets it. I’m getting tired of all these ‘tards who think they’re so great. If you want to manage the team (better than Fredi in your opinion),I’ll give Frank a call to set you up with an interview.
May 21st, 201210:00 pm
“Hang around,” Give yourself to lose the game….Fredi makes a valid point.
What is that now 0-7 on Mondays?
I told a buddy of mine at work that the Braves were going to lose tonight for 3 reasons,
1. Its Monday
2. Minor was pitching
3. Leake had an ERA over 6 and was winless, so of course his first win would come at the expense of the Braves and he would also look like Cy Fricking Young.
Now, we will win tomorrow because its Latos, and then we will beat Arroyo, but of course we will lose to Bailey.
Something needs to be done about the scouting department, pretty sad when you continously suck against horrible no name pitching but get it done against the Aces of the staff.
May 21st, 201210:01 pm
Freeman and Heyward trending downward especially Heyward.Can see him in the 220’s by Memorial Day.Seems Fredi doesn’t feel comfortable unless he has someone in the rotation that gives his team ZERO chance of winning.KK,Lowe,JJ, now Mike Minor League.
“The team is 9 games over .500 a quarter way thru the season. I don’t get what the whining is about. It could be worse.You could be a Padres fan.”
The way fans talk on here, you’d think it were a Padres board.
May 21st, 201210:03 pm
Kris can start and go as long as he can in the first start and then be stretched out in subsequent outings if Fredi wants to. That’s the way it’s been done in the times past when it was needed, and it’s past being needed. It’s pointless for Kris to continue to pitch once or twice for an inning a week when he is more valuable in the rotation.
May 21st, 201210:04 pm
I don’t mind beating up aces even if we look mediocre against the other guys. We’re on pace to win nearly 100 games and make the playoffs. If I remember correctly, usually aces pitch in the playoffs, not no name pitchers. I’d be more concerned if we couldn’t hit aces.
Mister Frisky, KK has not pitched a single game for Fredi.
May 21st, 201210:05 pm
Heyward is 22 – give him a break.
JJ is not the answer to the rotation. The Braves knew what they were doing when they sent him down. They saw something that they didn’t like. He is not the same pitcher this year.
From the minors it will be Teheran or Redmond. In the majors it will be either Medlen, Martinez or Livan – if they make a change from Minor.
Medlen will stay in the bullpen. He has been the best along with Kimbrel in the bullpen. I just don’t see them moving Kimbrel from the bullpen
where’s cab and nolie? the voices of reason
May 21st, 201210:07 pm
My voice needs a break. Tired of shouting into the wind
I’m getting tired of all these ‘tards who think they’re so great. If you want to manage the team (better than Fredi in your opinion),I’ll give Frank a call to set you up with an interview.
Who the hell do you think you are? Might I remind you that you are just another poster here whose opinion isn’t any more valid than anyone else’s. You call someone out for calling names, then turn around and do the same yourself to people you don’t agree with. Get over yourself.
Sorry Rick,I stand corrected.Why let the truth get in the way of a good post.
I wonder how Minor would do in the bullpen right now?
The Braves have an uncanny ability of looking legit one night and then looking like the worst team in baseball the next. 2 hits off a guy 0-5, 6+ ERA is pathetic.
May 21st, 201210:09 pm
I still lean more to this team being the Sept. ‘11 Braves team.
May 21st, 201210:11 pm
How long will we have to wait until Mitchell chimes in with his embarrassment post for tonight?
He will and should stay in the pen. He’s a reliable RHP that Fredi can use in a non-save situation.
Cap: Where's My Tip
May 21st, 201210:12 pm
you can tell a pitcher is really struggling when a positive he takes away from a start is that he gave up runs as opposed to those pitchers who strive to not give up any runs
Making light of 4 solo home runs? Well they equal one grand slam, and, when you give up a ’salami,’ you usually lose.
I don’t Nick. This team is a very good one, but I imagine it’s hard to get motivated when playing behind a pitcher like Minor who’s had so many bad starts in a row. Plus, there’s the Monday thing. Ballplayers are a superstitious lot. They need to get that monkey off their backs.
Steve from OH
May 21st, 201210:14 pm
The Braves are in a bit of a pickle. Hard to send Minor back down…the guy has to learn how to pitch at this level, and another minor league stint isn’t going to benefit him at all, period. Delgado hasn’t been awful and in the presence of a good JJ or Minor he’d be more than adequate as a 5th starter. But this club is really 2 starting pitchers short of being tops in the league. It’s hard to pass up that kind of opportunity to have a legitimate shot to go deep into the playoffs, but on the other hand you’ve been developing Minor/Delgado/Teheran for how long, and you jump ship now on them? At some point they’ve got to stay in the rotation, and at some point you’ve got to risk them taking their lumps. And compound that with the difficulty of going out and getting someone with no readily available cash.
And it’s apparent JJ isn’t the answer at this point.
Oh, and Meds has to stay in the ‘pen, we need that depth there, and we need to take some stress off Venters and EOF.
May 21st, 201210:21 pm
Good to see you on the board. I agree with everything you state, but also how many “lumps” can a club risk taking before they bring up Teheran for a few starts, while letting Minor work things out in the pen as a middle reliever.
Seems he does pretty well until the second or third time through a lineup.
I think J-Hey is a streaky hitter I think he will turn it around and get that AVG up to .270…… But he collects walks makes the pitcher work , to go along with the Gold Glove Claiber defense and great baserunning ability………Would you rather Diaz be in there every game????
May 21st, 201210:24 pm
but also how many “lumps” can a club risk taking before they bring up Teheran for a few starts, while letting Minor work things out in the pen as a middle reliever.
Well, that’s the whole point. Teheran is gonna take his lumps too. Those three are the future of the rotation, and they’ve gotta take a few beatings, be it this season or next or whenever. So while it’s certainly reasonable to go for it this year and let them wallow in AAA anguish or the bullpen for another season, what about next year? They’re gonna get knocked around a bit then and I guarantee you the board will be expecting us to win just as many games then as they do now…and our club will be just as strong.
May 21st, 201210:25 pm
Either excellent sarcasm, superb hyperbole, or someone who’s been watching the Braves for a very short time…
May 21st, 201210:27 pm
It was such a terrible game, I fell asleep in the top of the 2nd and didn’t wake up until the bottom of the 8th.
Just my body helping me to not have to experience all the carnage.
May 21st, 201210:28 pm
1.Man up and pay Oswalt.
2. Or Bring up Teheran
3. Or let Medlen start and let Minor be the reliever
4. Or Move Minor to the Minors And Bring up Gerrin and move Meden to the Rotation
5. Or Trade Minor……….we have the SAME player in Sean Gilmartin anyways
May 21st, 201210:30 pm
DS1 – working during the game, keeping up on my phone, so I stayed awake with little trouble. The surprising thing was that the game was so quick I only got to see the last 3 hitters when I got home…
Minor just isnt effective. The only reason he hasnt been demoted is because he is the Staffs only Lefty.
Why would you want to pay good money for Oswalt. He seemed to be washed up last year.
I think Minor will get another start(s) and if necessary, either 2,3 or 4 will be used if he continues to struggle.
May 21st, 201210:32 pm
My guess is that Minor comes back and has a decent outing on Saturday. But then again, I am always hopeful.
The Braves lose, are 2-2 on the road trip, and are still 9 games above .500, yet the sky is falling.
To anyone wondering why Medlen isn’t in the rotation: You ok with burning out O’Flaherty and Venters again this year? Do you like the idea of very good and fresh arms in the bullpen for September? Do you not see value in that?
Anyone really want to blame this game on Minor when the offense scores one run? Who wants to look up Maddux/Glavine/Smotlz’s records when they’re team only scored one run?
Pathetic that people want to give up on the two of the Brave’s top 5 prospects after less than one year’s worth of starts each. I know, it’s not the same as when Glavine and Smotlz struggled because they weren’t on teams contending for the playoffs. What an awful dilemma… Two (three if you count Teheran) top prospect pitchers that are trying to break into the majors on a playoff contending team. No wonder everyone around here is so miserable :/
Drew Sutton got traded again to the Tampa Bay Rays
May 21st, 201210:33 pm
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May 21st, 201210:34 pm
From what I could tell (after the fact), Minor got out of a jam in one inning, but did OK if you don’t count the back to back to back’s.
But I realize those get counted………….
May 21st, 201210:35 pm
Sorry to rain on your parade but if Minor keeps giving up 4,5,6,7 ER’s every 5th day Medlen will be in the starting rotation. He’s the best option the Braves have for a 5th starter right now if Minor doesn’t get it together in the next 2-3 starts. They would only use Livan for a few spot starts at most, JJ is terrible right now, Redmond will never get a real chance in the majors because he doesn’t have the stuff to consistently get major league hitters out, Teheran hasn’t been nearly as impressive this year in Gwinnett. He only lasted 2.2 innings in his last start giving up 7 hits, 5 walks, and 4 ER’s. Teheran has only made it past the 5th inning twice this year that should tell you all you need to know
If Minor keeps struggling Medlen will move into the rotation and Cory Gearrin – 1.09 ERA in AAA will be called up to fill his long relief role in the pen. Medlen might be moved down to Gwinnett for a start or two to get his arm ready to pitch 5 plus innings or until he feels he’s ready to start every 5th day. If you don’t think Fredi and Frank have already thought about putting Medlen in the starting rotation then you’re an idiot. Relievers are a lot easier to come by than starting pitchers and if Minor keeps struggling the Braves will go with the pitcher they feel like will give them the best chance to win every 5th day and they know that’s Kris Medlen. Let’s not forget how well he pitched as a starter in 2010.
Even opposing managers loved his game. These are quotes from Jim Leyland after Medlen only gave up 1 run in 6 and 2/3 innings vs his Tigers –
“I was really impressed with their guy,” Leyland said. “Sometimes guys don’t give those guys enough credit. That guy pitched. He pitched outstanding.”
“I didn’t like it because he beat us, but that was kind of a treat, to see somebody that doesn’t throw 96, 95 miles an hour go out and dissect the plate and pitch the kind of game the kid pitched,” Leyland said.
“That’s the secret of pitching, being able to put the ball where he wanted to. The kid, is an artist.”
May 21st, 201210:38 pm
Minor had one bad inning and the bats didn’t help out. He pitched into and out of jams in the 1st & 2nd, and after giving up the home runs, pitched very well in the 5th & 6th (and in the 3rd)…unfortunately, the 4th cost us the game…
I think you might have missed the memo on Teheran. Last year he dominated AAA hitters. This spring he was sent to Gwinnett specifically to work on his off speed pitches. Might be that he is truly working on his worst pitches, which might be 1 reason his record is not better this year.
Just my guess though.
May 21st, 201210:39 pm
it is easier to trade for a bullpen arm than a starter, and cheaper too. If the Braves could find a good relief pitcher on the trade market, then expect Medlen in the rotation. Short of that then Medlen will stay in the rotation.
Crow from KC would be nice but I am sure the price would have to be right for Moore to move him
BTW, personally, I think Minor will get it together and the Braves won’t be forced to decided what to do about a 5th starter. He looked better today than in his previous 3 starts. He’s got a lot to learn and has to work on composure but he has the stuff to be a solid back end rotation starter for a good team once he gets it together.
May 21st, 201210:40 pm
Enough rationalizing crap Minor has been awful since April………..But on a plus not he dropped his ERA from 7.09 to 6.96………….Wow .13 points wow he must be an ace????????????
That’s kinda what I had picked up second hand. A positive person could say this game was a step forward.
So, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it…………… for now.
I’m sorry, the Medlen has to stay in the bullpen meme isn’t playing with me. They can bring up Gearrin, who’s pitching very well at Gwinnett, and they have Livan and Martinez who can both pitch multiple innings. Medlen is a better starting pitching option than Minor, JJ or Teheran. I understand the Braves want to develop their young pitchers but at what cost to the team? We are in the toughest division in baseball. I guess the question is, can they afford to develop two struggling youngsters at one time and still contend?
May 21st, 201210:41 pm
Yeah, he gave up four runs instead of six. That’s great!
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