Braves stressing patience with young pitchers

CINCINNATI – Mike Minor enters his start tonight in Cincinnati with a 7.09 ERA that’s soared in the past couple of weeks, and a lot of folks are asking how long the Braves can wait before they ship him to the minor leagues.

Mike Minor will try to stop his four-game slide tonight when he faces the Reds in a series opener in Cincy.

Mike Minor will try to stop his four-game slide tonight when he faces the Reds in a series opener in Cincy.

Randall Delgado got wild Saturday and gave up a grand slam in the early innings, and some folks want to know why the Braves haven’t sent down the rookie like they did Jair Jurrjens.

In case you haven’t noticed, patience is not overly abundant with a good-sized segment of the blogulace, the Twitterverse, and others among the fan base of the Braves. Nor with the the fan base of a lot of other teams. It’s the times we live in.

But the Braves don’t want to make a move as important as demoting a highly regarded young pitcher before they’re sure that’s the prudent course to take. They won’t do it to appease media members or fans, because team officials know that struggling is what young pitchers do from time to time, and sometimes for longer stretches than a lot of people are comfortable watching.

Which brings us to Fredi Gonzalez’s answer Sunday morning when the manager was asked what’s been different about Minor lately and what he needed to do to get back on track.

“Nothing major,” he said. “I think experience and running him out there every fifth day, like with Delgado, is going to help him. We [Gonzalez and coaches] spent two hours in there this morning talking about, is there a shortcut, or a fast pace to get these guys[to the point where they can] get through innings, get through starts, where they’re going out and battling, minimizing damage.

“Bottom line is, there’s not a simulator out there. You can’t do it in the minor leagues because there’s not a third [seating] deck in the minor leagues, there’s not 40,000 [in the crowd], the lineups are a different. It’s a matter of just going out there and feeling comfortable, minimizing the damage, [realizing] you can make a pitch and give up one or two [in an inning], but not give up four or five. I think that’s just part of maturity.”

This is the point where we reach back to the holy trinity of recent Atlanta Braves pitching to point out that not just mediocre or pretty good pitchers struggle mightily when they are young. Almost all due. Yes, even the Big Three: Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz.

First, the current crop:

• Delgado is 3-5 with a 3.63 ERA and .231 opponents’ average in 15 career starts over two seasons, with 55 strikeouts and 37 walks in 79-1/3 innings.

• Minor is 10-8 with a 5.39 ERA and .295 opponents’ average in 32 games (31 starts) over three seasons, with 164 strikeouts and 56 walks in 170-1/3 innings.

• Brandon Beachy is 12-6 with a 3.03 ERA and .224 opponents’ average in 36 starts, with 223 strikeouts and 67 walks in 210-2/3 innings. Number that make the former undrafted free agent something of a freak.

Now, the Big Three:

•  Maddux went 8-15 with a 5.30 ERA and .295 opponents’ average in his first 30 major league games (28 starts), with 104 strikeouts and 71 walks in 163 innings.

Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux all struggled mightily for long stretches early in their career, but weren't under as much scrutiny because their teams weren't contenders.

Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux all struggled mightily for long stretches early in their career, but weren't under as much scrutiny because their teams weren't contenders.

• Glavine went 5-17 with a 5.52 ERA and .289 opponents’ average in his first 33 starts, with 78 strikeouts and 83 walks in 177-2/3 innings. (Yes, one of the most precise pitchers of his era had more walks than strikeouts in his first 33 starts).

• Smoltz went 13-15 with a 3.12 ERA and .225 opponents’ average in his first 34 starts, with 169 strikeouts and 83 walks in 227-2/3 innings. But after that Smoltz went 4-9 with a 5.79 ERA and .271 opponents’ average in his next 20 starts.

Now, we’re not suggesting that any of the current Braves will ever sniff the Hall of Fame, just pointing out that a pair of 300-game winners and future first-ballot Hall of Fame inductees, Maddux and Glavine, started out with some lousy stats for their first 30 or so starts. And Smoltz, another expected future Hall of Famer and the only pitcher with more than 200 wins and more than 150 saves, went through a rough stretch of 20 starts early in his career.

If any of them were putting up those numbers for today’s Braves, how many outside the organization would be saying they need to be sent down or traded? A 5-17 record, 5.52 ERA and 78 strikeouts with 83 walks in 177-2/3 innings. Glavine’s first 33 starts.

The difference? Glavine put up those numbers for Braves teams that lost 198 games in two seasons (1987-1988). Maddux did it for Cubs teams that went 70-90 in 1986 and 76-85 in 1987. Smoltz went through his 20-game skid in the second half of ’89 (after making the All-Star team with a strong first half) and early in ’90, a pair of 97-loss seasons for the Braves.

Minor has struggled for his past four starts for a Braves team that’s surged into first place in the NL East. Delgado’s grand-slam games accounted for two of only five losses in the Braves’ past 21 road games, and the 22-year-old blew a lead in each game.

In other words, these struggles, these losses, are particularly upsetting for people because every game is watched closely, every game is analyzed and scrutinized, and every loss is taken harder by many followers than if the Braves were never expected to contend or if they were below .500.

“We’re try to develop these kids on a first-place team in contention, a team that’s been contending for a lot of years,” Gonzalez said. “Yesterday, for example, if we were a last-place team in our division, you run Delgado back out there [in the fifth inning]. You say, ‘Hey, go get ‘em, go figure it out.’”

Instead, Gonzalez replaced Delgado after the fourth inning of Saturday’s game with the Braves trailing 4-2, all of those runs coming on the grand slam he gave up in the third inning.

“We’re in first place, it’s a two-run game and the top of their lineup is coming up again,” Gonzalez said. “You know he’s going to have a tough time getting through that lineup. We’ve got three long men down in the bullpen, and you feel like your offense, in the short season we’ve played, they’ve put numbers up.”

Temporary loss of command has let to a couple of early innings grand slams off rookie Delgado.

Temporary loss of command has let to a couple of early innings grand slams off rookie Delgado.

So, Gonzalez was thinking more right then of winning the game rather than putting Delgado’s development above all else.

But taking a pitcher out of a game after four innings is quite a different thing than sending him to the minor leagues. And unless a team is fairly certain that a young pitcher is lacking something needed to become a big winner someday, trading a highly regarded young starter is a risky move.

Again, not at all suggesting that any of these guys will become a future 300-game winner, or 200-game winner. But can you even imagine if a team had traded young Glavine when he was 5-17 with a 5.52 ERA, 78 strikeouts and 83 walks in 177-2/3 innings in his first 33 starts? He was 22 at the time.

“You can’t put them through the fast pace, you’ve got to let them go out there,” Gonzalez said of the development curve for young pichers.

Getting back to the Minor question, Gonzalez said, “There’s nothing mechanically wrong. His pitches are more than enough to get through a major league lineup. Obviously you’re not going to have your good stuff for 35 starts. The other 10 starts where you don’t have your good stuff, you’ve got to figure it out, somehow.”

“He’s got to figure out that he belongs here, because I think he belongs here. The organization thinks he belongs here. But you’ve got to get confidence to do that.”

There are better places for a struggling pitcher to gain confidence that Great American Ball Park in Cincinnati, which is derisively known as Great American Small Park for its homer-friendly dimensions.

Minor is 0-2 with an 11.76 ERA and .360 opponents’ average and seven homers allowed in his past four starts, after going 2-1 with a 3.42 ERA and .233 opponents’ average in his first four, and after being the Braves’ most effective starting pitcher during spring training. So he’s not far removed from experiencing success.

Beachy, a former undrafted free agent, leads the majors in ERA with barely a full season's worth of starts under his belt.

Beachy, a former undrafted free agent, leads the majors in ERA with barely a full season's worth of starts under his belt.

And tonight, he’ll face a pitcher who could probably commiserate: Cincinnati’s Mike Leake (0-5, 6.21 ERA) is 0-3 with an 8.53 ERA in three home starts, allowing 21 hits and four homers in 12-2/3 innings at the Small Park.

Bullpen bottom line: While their bullpen hasn’t been as dominant statistically this season as it was in 2011, a bottom-line fact is that the Braves still haven’t lost a game when leading after the sixth, seventh or eighth innings. Not one.

They are 20-0 when leading after six innings, 19-0 when leading after seven, and 22-0 when leading after eight (also, 25-0 when leading or tied after eight).

Craig Kimbrel picked up his league-leading 13th save on Sunday with a perfect ninth inning including two strikeouts. In his last 5 appearances, Kimbrel has allowed one hit and two walks with sixth strikeouts.

The Braves are 16-0 in games Kimbrel has pitched this season, and he has 25 strikeouts and 10 walks with a .175 opponents’ average.

• Not a Venters-ian month: Although Jonny Venters avoided being scored upon Sunday despite being charged with a hit and two hit batters in one-third of an inning, he has 7.11 ERA and .411 opponents’ average in eight May appearances. In 6-1/3 innings this month, Venters has given up 12 hits, five earned runs, a walk and hit four batters.

Gonzalez and David Ross said Venters’ front side was “flying open” Sunday and causing his arm to drag, which is why he had so much trouble with the three lefty batters he faced. Venters agreed the problem has been in his pitching mechanics and said his health is fine.

“Yeah, my arm feels great,” he said. “I feel great. I’m just not finishing my pitches. [The ball] is kind of running away from me. I’ve just got to work on getting it down. Just have to make an adjustment that I wasn’t able to make today.”

Gonzalez has followed through with the plan to get more rest for Venters early this season, after he showed signs of fatigue down the stretch in 2011. But so far, the extra rest hasn’t paid dividends in terms of immediate results.

More rest has not yielded great results for Venters, who has struggled with his pitching mechanics during a rough couple of weeks.

More rest has not yielded great results for Venters, who has struggled with his pitching mechanics during a rough couple of weeks.

Through May 20 last season, Venters had pitched in 25 games and had a 0.68 ERA, .107 opponents’ average and 26 strikeouts with seven walks in 26-1/3 innings. This season he’s pitched in 17 games and has a 3.00 ERA, .311 opponents average and 23 strikeouts with six walks in 15 innings. (The Braves’ opened the 2011 season on March 31, and didn’t open until April 4 this season).

One thing that’s not declined: The team’s record in his appearances. The Braves are were 16-9 in games he pitched through May 20 last season, and 14-3 this season.

BRAVES LINEUP

  1. Bourn CF
  2. Prado LF
  3. Freeman 1B
  4. Uggla 2B
  5. McCann C
  6. Heyward RF
  7. Francisco 3B
  8. Pastornicky SS
  9. Minor P

• Road work: Since their 0-4 start, the Braves are 16-5 on the road with a 6-1 series record. They’ve won series at Houston, Arizona, Dodger Stadium, Colorado, St. Louis and Tampa Bay in that stretch.

They are 11-3 in past 14 road games, with a 3.52 ERA and 73 runs (5.2 per game).

The Braves have scored a league-high 123 runs in road games, while the Cardinals (110) and Mets (107) are the only other NL teams that have scored more than 96. And to think, the Braves scored just 10 runs in those first four road games while being swept at New York and losing the series opener at Houston, before Chipper Jones was activated. You might have heard, they’re a far better team with him.

• Etc.

Martin Prado has hit .355 (38-for-107) with a .427 OBP and .960 OPS in his past 28 games, and has 16 extra-base hits and 19 RBIs in his past 32 games…. Michael Bourn went 1-for-13 with four strikeouts and no walks in three games against Tampa Bay, after hitting .375 with a .430 OBP and .902 OPS in his previous 33 games…. The Braves are 7-3 with .280 average, 50 runs and a 3.13 ERA in their past 10 games, and 6-0 when they’ve homered in that stretch.

• Let’s close with a great live cut from “The Killer,” the legendary Jerry Lee Lewis.  Waylon also did a great version of this. You can Jerry Lee do it by clicking here.

jerryLeeLewis

“I’LL FIND IT WHERE I CAN” by Jerry Lee Lewis

(written by Michael Clark, Zack Van Arsdale)

It’s another wasted morning
And I’m bouncing off the wall
Too much swarming makes me wonder
Why I’m headed home at all

I get that honky-tonk feeling
Every time your arms grow cold
That could be the reason
I need a home away from home
So I’ll say it one more time
And I hope you understand
If I can’t find it in your arms, babe
I’ll find it where I can

I can’t refuse them lonely women
Lord, I know just how they feel
So I’ll keep right on pretending
What you’ve been giving me is real

I get that honky-tonk feeling
Every time your arms grow cold
That could be the reason
I need a home away from home
So I’ll say it one more time
And I hope you understand
If I can’t find it in your arms, babe
I’ll find it where I can

Yes, I’ll say it one more time
And I hope you understand
If I can’t find it in your arms, babe
I’m gonna get it where I can

– David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

1,511 comments Add your comment

Brian from SC

May 21st, 2012
1:35 pm

Venice Jim

May 21st, 2012
1:36 pm

Thanks, DOB!

Kelly

May 21st, 2012
1:40 pm

Unless the young pitching jeopardizes their standing, I don’t view it as a serious issue. OJT is a part of the transition from the farm to the bigs. It isn’t uncommon to struggle. Over his first two seasons (Cubs), Maddux’s ERA was a little over 5.5.

phil

May 21st, 2012
1:40 pm

Thank you, Dave…

ccrider

May 21st, 2012
1:42 pm

Is it just me, or do you think the Braves might be putting themselves in position to go after and sign Roy Oswalt.
The 5-6 Million dollars they had, that they didn’t spend to start the season, the trade of Drew Sutton to the Pirates for cash and the rumors of a mystery team working out Oswalt(which is the Braves way of doing things under Wren since the Furcal boondoggle).
I would love to see a rotation of Hudson, Beachy, Hanson, Oswalt in the playoffs. Not Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz, but pretty dam good

Fish Bisch

May 21st, 2012
1:43 pm

Leak owns us :(

Threadkiller

May 21st, 2012
1:44 pm

Lew, I thought WAR was an R&B/Funk Band in the 70’s?

Fish Bisch

May 21st, 2012
1:44 pm

How many WS did we win with three hall of famers in the starting rotation?

phil

May 21st, 2012
1:47 pm

You can see Minor’s problem by simply looking at his picture posted above…

phil

May 21st, 2012
1:48 pm

We couldn’t hit the ball, Fish Bisch….they didn’t always pitch the best either.

Fire Bobby Cox!!

George

May 21st, 2012
1:49 pm

Thanks DOB, any early word on CHIPPER for tonights game?

Kelly

May 21st, 2012
1:50 pm

@Phil…what are you seeing there?

George

May 21st, 2012
1:53 pm

CIN tough, like to win series, but a split looks likely

ccrider

May 21st, 2012
1:54 pm

Fish Bisch, You should know getting to the World Series is the Trick. Who saw St. Louis getting ultra hot and winning last year. They just barely got into the playoffs. Its a big Lottery, Crapshoot, getting hot at the right time, few injuries, players peaking all at the right time ETC.

phil

May 21st, 2012
1:55 pm

Kelly – I can’t say.

Jimmy

May 21st, 2012
1:55 pm

Sporting News reporting that Oswalt is going to sign with the Cardinals.

Heisenberg

May 21st, 2012
1:56 pm

A bit off topic, but since I miss the Tuesday countdown, is Shultz aware Yahoo is using his trademark?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/track-officials-counting-error-costs-british-hurdler-jessica-115116830.html

David O'Brien

May 21st, 2012
1:58 pm

Thanks DOB, any early word on CHIPPER for tonights game?

Nothing yet, but I doubt he’ll play. I’m headed to a T-Mobile store to try to get my phone fixed, then to ballpark. Later.

Heisenberg

May 21st, 2012
1:58 pm

And BTW, can we loose the Roy Oswalt talk? That is not the solution here.

Brandon

May 21st, 2012
1:59 pm

Great article Dave

Ernest

May 21st, 2012
2:00 pm

Patience is the key with the young pitchers. I believe they will work through the minor setbacks they are encountering and grow as a result of it.

raleighbravefan

May 21st, 2012
2:03 pm

ccrider – Probably just you…he may be puting us in a position to make a run ar Bourn and extend McCann.

Kelly

May 21st, 2012
2:03 pm

@Phil – lol, OK.

Jimmy

May 21st, 2012
2:05 pm

Enter your comments here

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:06 pm

Good read, David. Thanks

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:07 pm

My iMac crashed and burned……….

:shock:

Jimmy

May 21st, 2012
2:08 pm

Good series win against the Rays. I’d like to go 3-1 in this set while the Phils and Nats beat on one another.

Murph

May 21st, 2012
2:09 pm

My iMac crashed and burned……….

How old was/is it?

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:10 pm

This would be a great time to shut down the stock market for a few days.

MFin04

May 21st, 2012
2:10 pm

“I’m headed to a T-Mobile store to try to get my phone fixed”

People actually use T-Mobile? Just sounds like some knock-off phone company.

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:11 pm

Murph_

Believe it or not I was surprised to find out this morning it’s five years old.

Jimmy

May 21st, 2012
2:12 pm

Leake pitched well in his last start, but he’s been battered in all his others. I’m calling for a big offensive night for the Braves. Might need it with Minor out there.

MFin04

May 21st, 2012
2:13 pm

“My iMac crashed and burned”

You’d think severely overpriced computers would last a lot longer than 5 years?!?

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:15 pm

Bat

Hate to hear that about your iMac because mine is creeping up to about that age. Oh, well…..learning from experience, I DO have a backup plugged in almost ALL the time.

Kelly

May 21st, 2012
2:16 pm

@MFin04 I know. I have hands-on experience w/ Macs. I don’t know, but the price differential is extremely out of whack. There have been times when Apple’s brand evangelism borders on being cult-like. Kind of spooky.

Yeah, Braves need to put up good O stats tonight. Who knows? Maybe Minor will hit a groove…but that ballpark…ack!

Murph

May 21st, 2012
2:16 pm

Bat, what did it do?

I have an iMac that just turned 5. Had some issues where it wouldn’t power up anymore… took it into Apple and they replaced some part near the power supply and now it works like a champ.

Jimmy

May 21st, 2012
2:17 pm

I see where Jamie Moyer starts tonight at Miami.
He had made 49 MLB starts before Mike Minor was even born.

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:17 pm

MFin04

I’ve had Macs that lasted ten years or more, so it’s not true of all Macs.

Venice Jim

May 21st, 2012
2:17 pm

Richard Justice ‏@richardjustice
MLB drew 1.65 million fans last weekend, largest pre-Memorial Day weekend ever. Best-attended 45-game weekend since end of 2008 season

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:18 pm

No back up here, Just Pat.

I must like living on the edge. The guy should call me this afternoon and let me know if they can copy the hard drive.

MFin04

May 21st, 2012
2:20 pm

Mike Minor runs given up last 4 starts: 7,8,6,6.

Wowza. That’s pretty bad. One more start like that and I’d check in on Jurrjens first and then Teheran.

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:20 pm

Bat

Yeah, AFTER they installed all the upgrades that I hadn’t bothered with over the years (my bad!), they managed to copy the drive for me AND sell me a backup. :-)

Tired of the Complaining

May 21st, 2012
2:21 pm

Enter your comments here

Jack in Macon

May 21st, 2012
2:21 pm

I remember when Glavine and Smoltz were going through their early rough times. It was so bad for Smoltz he had to resort to seeing a sports psychologist.

One thing that I will always remember about Glavine: In his first season I was watching with much anticipation to see this rookie the Braves were touting and one of the TV analyst (don’t remember who) made the remark something like, ” What concerns me is he’s not get any swing and miss strikeouts”. I remember it because I was thinking the same thing. How little did I and the analyst know what was to come.

What’s different now is back then the Braves sucked. It’s definitely harder now when we’re battling a great Washington team and the other dangerous teams in our division for first place.

Luvin me some Braves!!!!!!

TennesseePaul

May 21st, 2012
2:21 pm

Thanks for the work DOB!

Jimmy

May 21st, 2012
2:23 pm

I must have missed something, but I was watching the Cubs / Sox game this weekend, and the Cubs brought in Kerry Wood. He struck a batter and was removed from the game. They gave him a standing ovation, and he tipped his cap. Announcer said what a fitting way for him to retire.

Anyone know why he is hanging it up? I didn’t know about until that game.

MFin04

May 21st, 2012
2:23 pm

“I’ve had Macs that lasted ten years or more, so it’s not true of all Macs.”

Yep, and you only have to pay like 3 to 5 times as much as a PC for that pleasure. :)

Unless the hard drive crashed, they should be able to get everything to you quite easily, but I’d bet the most common thing for computers going down is hard drives crashing. :(

Power supply getting nuked happens frequently too if not on a surge protector.

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:24 pm

Murph_

I’ve had so issues with it taking a longtime to boot up lately, though I usually leave it on all the time. Running slow, freezing up, like that. I ran a software update Friday that somehow screwed up Java and when I was trying to fix that this morning to crank up my stock charts and trading tools, things went all to hell.

Long story short, once I got the machine to start up again it would not recognize my password to boot up.

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:24 pm

Enjoyed the game so much yesterday (even though I DID hafta listen to “their” announcers) that I stuck around to listen to the after game comments, too.

MFin04

May 21st, 2012
2:25 pm

“Anyone know why he is hanging it up?”

Basically he couldn’t recover properly from the rigors of pitching every day or every other day and decided to hang it up.

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:29 pm

Yeah, MFin04, I paid more for the Mac, but I have never had a problem with it before today. PCs? Blah… Throw them in the trash every two years.

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:29 pm

MFin04

Look….I’m and OLD lady and have been on Macs ever since I learned to use a computer, so don’t bother trying to change my mind about them. ;-) I’ll gladly pay the money for the familiarity.

Hillbilly

May 21st, 2012
2:30 pm

Running slow, freezing up, like that.

Well, I mean, it is an IMac. It’s simply too fat. It would be in your best interest not to overpay to try and keep it long term. :)

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:30 pm

Bat

Not to mention the fact that you don’t hafta worry HALF as much about hackers and viruses.

cabravesfan

May 21st, 2012
2:30 pm

I like my Mac more than I like my PC

Heisenberg

May 21st, 2012
2:31 pm

I still have T-Mobile. Carly is hot. But probaly not hot enough to keep after contract runs out.

cabravesfan

May 21st, 2012
2:31 pm

Of course, I also didn’t have to pay for it…

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:32 pm

Just add me to the Mac cult…….right up there with the Braves cult. :-)

Kelly

May 21st, 2012
2:34 pm

@Bat, I’m on a laptop that was built in ‘04 and I have a desktop that was built in ‘99. Both are tight. It’s just that w/ PC’s you have to stay so vigilant about updates, driver updates and virus/malware protection. If you don’t do those things, or if you install, say, the wrong display adapter, things can go wrong fast. I get the simplicity appeal of Macs. I get that they’re easier to maintain. But if you properly maintain a PC, it has reasonable longevity. (OS a big deal, too). I run XP Pro w/ a Linux dual-boot setup. Peachy.

Kelly

May 21st, 2012
2:34 pm

@Just Pateeeee You got it. ;)

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:34 pm

cab

Bet you utilize yours better than I do mine, too. I NEVER use dashboard, iTunes, iPhoto, garage band, etc.

richbrave

May 21st, 2012
2:36 pm

VENTERS is VULTURE meat.

richbrave

May 21st, 2012
2:37 pm

:( DISMAL right PATEEEEE??????

DAP

May 21st, 2012
2:37 pm

Macs are good computers…but they arent the only good computers, like some iZombies would like you to believe.

cabravesfan

May 21st, 2012
2:38 pm

Just Pateeeee-

I keep mine plugged in while I am working, and unplug it when I move to the sofa (I would leave it plugged in then too, but the cord isn’t long enough). But I don’t use the App store or iTunes really on the computer (except to back up) because I can use that stuff easier on my phone or iPad. Mainly use the computer just for internet and work things

Venice Jim

May 21st, 2012
2:38 pm

Macs are good computers

But they’re so fat…

Half Empty

May 21st, 2012
2:39 pm

Is Hillbilly actually Tomahawkin? How could two different people have such an angry, totally false opinion about Cardinal fans?

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:39 pm

Hillbilly_

With any luck it’ll come out if the training facility, leaner, meaner and much faster, and at a reasonable extension cost.

ncscoots

May 21st, 2012
2:39 pm

I still have T-Mobile. Carly is hot. But probaly not hot enough to keep after contract runs out.

You must not have seen the motorcycle commercials. :-)

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:41 pm

richbrave

Venters may be vulture meat for posters on here, but let’s not throw him into the swamp just yet. ;-)

DS1

May 21st, 2012
2:42 pm

So I see we’ve moved on from Pastornicky/Simmons conversations to Mac/PC talk. Well, I’m a PC guy, but I have folks I respect that love their Mac’s. Haven’t used one since grad school 21 years ago, but it was easier to do my work at home on my PC than in the library.

Besides, my employer is deeply embedded in the PC world.

Here’s hoping Minor has a better outing tonight.

Bo Graves.

cabravesfan

May 21st, 2012
2:42 pm

Well, I should mention that at least part of the reason I like my Mac better than my PC is that the PC is probably 7 years old or so and I’ve had the Mac for 4 months so it runs significantly better.

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:43 pm

MY Mac isn’t fat at all……just a screen and wireless keyboard and mouse (which I REALLY like).

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:44 pm

Enter your comments here

Brian from SC

May 21st, 2012
2:45 pm

Why are we still arguing about Mac? I think he’s come around nicely, just like I expected.

cabravesfan

May 21st, 2012
2:45 pm

I love the touch pad on my Mac- although it is prone to do random things to my screen if I forget and rest a random finger or hand on it (which I tend to do often).

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:45 pm

Sorry for the 2:44……hit that instead of refresh and it was totally MY fault…..NOT my Mac’s! :-)

Ease

May 21st, 2012
2:46 pm

But they’re so fat…

Thats why I got a mini Mac…

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:46 pm

Brian……LOL

raleighbravefan

May 21st, 2012
2:47 pm

Jimmy – ERA over 8 may have something to do with it.

flange1

May 21st, 2012
2:47 pm

Half Empty,

I think both Hillbilly and T are from Arkansas. They are used to being close to Cards fans.

Shaun

May 21st, 2012
2:47 pm

Richard Justice ‏@richardjustice: MLB drew 1.65 million fans last weekend, largest pre-Memorial Day weekend ever. Best-attended 45-game weekend since end of 2008 season

Of course those who talk and write about the decline of baseball will ignore this evidence and continue to argue in favor of their own preconceived ideas. Actually, those people are a lot like many baseball fans. ;)

Half Empty

May 21st, 2012
2:47 pm

Michael Bourn went 1-for-13 with four strikeouts and no walks in three games against Tampa Bay, after hitting .375 with a .430 OBP and .902 OPS in his previous 33 games…. @DOB

Fredo obviously ruined him by sitting him when he was so hot. Another typical Gonzalez screwup.

brian

May 21st, 2012
2:48 pm

Minor is struggling currently to say the least but he has also shown promise, even in the majors. Great comparisons by DOB in the blog to the big 3. Minor will never be in their class but it is a great reminder to see how even Glavine and Maddux struggled their first few years. Not many people would say that Glavine or Maddux lacked gusto, etc

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:48 pm

As far as T-Mobile goes, my sister and her husband have it and can’t get service here when they visit me, so I hafta give her my cell phone. Couldn’t get service in Ireland, either, although they were assured before they left that they’d be able to.

Hillbilly

May 21st, 2012
2:49 pm

How could two different people have such an angry, totally false opinion about Cardinal fans?

Because we’re both from (or have lived in) Arkansas…We’re surrounded by armies of them. You can’t imagine what it’s like until you’ve lived this close to the heart of the beast. You call it false,…I call it spot on. Maybe it’s just the Arkansas chapter of Hog fans that act this way, I don’t know.

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:51 pm

Hillbilly

I do hafta say that the Cards fans are my LEAST favorite to run into, sit beside, at ST games.

MFin04

May 21st, 2012
2:51 pm

As long as you aren’t spending $1500 to $2000 just to check your email, run iTunes, and surf the internet on your Mac, I’m cool with people getting them. But it is silly to pay that much unless you are going to do other more intensive things that Macs can do.

Jimmy

May 21st, 2012
2:52 pm

“I’ll gladly pay the money for the familiarity.”

Kinda like having a wife. :-)

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:52 pm

Of course, I just lump them in with Tony LaRussa and take it with a grain of salt. :-)

Hillbilly

May 21st, 2012
2:52 pm

But I do know the Yankee fans, Met fans, and Cub fans in this state don’t act like that.

Reid in EAV

May 21st, 2012
2:53 pm

Hmm. So maybe we go back to running Jonny out there five days a week and pitching his arm off? That’s what those results seem to say to me… :)

Bat Masterson

May 21st, 2012
2:53 pm

Yeah, I’m not saying macs are better, just that it’s been better for me. I’ve been fine taking care of the updates but like I said I’ve never backed up a thing. I’m not the most vigilant guy around and doubt I missed many of the pc viruses and malware that made the rounds before changing over.

:lol:

Just Pateeeee

May 21st, 2012
2:53 pm

Jimmy

Obviously don’t have a wife but MAY be why hubby bought me the Mac. :-)

PDOG

May 21st, 2012
2:55 pm

Has anybody heard who is going to play second base for Gwinnet? My guess is that they traded Sutton so that the kid at high A could move up to AA and have Gosselin move up to AAA. Any thoughts?

raleighbravefan

May 21st, 2012
2:56 pm

Shaun – Most major changes to MLB were made specifically made to appeal to the fans…especially young and casual fans….so naturally attendance and viewership is up. Good for MLB and owners. I just personally don’t like the game as much…I hate interleague play, but it is obviously popular with majority, and I hate the DH, but Seleig and his buddys will eventually get it in the NL. It’s still baseball, and I’ll still watch it. It’s kinda like when your favorate BBQ joint closes, and you have to find a new one. Still good, but you miss the old one.

Half Empty

May 21st, 2012
2:57 pm

They are used to being close to Cards fans. @ flange

so am I. and though I am not a Cards fan, I’ve never been around better ones anywhere. Totally not true that they are like what those two say that they are

Jimmy

May 21st, 2012
2:58 pm

MFin04 / raleighbravefan – I didn’t hear about him retiring. Still looks like he can bring it. That era isn’t too comforting though. I always liked him.

TheOnlyBravesFan

May 21st, 2012
2:58 pm

My Mac is fat, the screen is 27″ wide!!! ;)

Fish Bisch

May 21st, 2012
2:59 pm

DOB why didn’t you try to reverse the curse by saying the Barves are 0-7 on Mondays???

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