Madeover Miami Marlins in town for two-game series

Love yard work!

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Thank you Mrs Blog Master!!

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Ward, Liberty Media owns the Braves.

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I gotta wait for Fish’s spelling of the Marlins’ pitcher tonight, before I decide whether or not to throw a beat-down curse on him.

I read Fish’s post and then divine it, kinda like tea leaves.

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Thank you, Carroll…

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nice read…

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ward – thats not nice…we all have our small hook no need to take it from us

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Didn’t realize that you were originally from Charlotte. Awesome!!

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so I’m a fisherman and Ease is jewish but we make the same point…interesting

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Giving a guy a day off, just to give him a day off is just plain dumb. If the guy wants to play let him play. As long as he isn’t hurt, there is no reason not to play a guy.

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Exactly which ones are those this year? Or is it all of them?

Yep, it is all of them. Or at least the Phillies, Mets and Marlins.

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Yep, it gets them every year not being able to beat up on weaker teams in the division

So far, there haven’t been any weaker teams in the division.

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If Bourn goes 0-5, give him the day off… don’t mess with him when he’s doing this well.

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Not to mention that the Mets and Marlins have the 5th and 6th best records in the NL…

(and I recognize the “thus far” aspect of that)…

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Hey Derek, hows the Bar scene in Cleveland??

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Ward, if you want to steal Tomafloppin’s schtick/hook, at least do it properly…

JusT ClowNing..,

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Ease – Very funny………..

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Why didn’t the first person to post a comment on this blog say “First?” Lame.

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ease – my fav is still the HR call

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If I didn’t grow up in Norcross, I would say that was lame. But I won’t.

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Crazy – No offense taken……

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MFin04: ncscoots point was that if you look at the records the NLEast is by far the strongest division in the league. Similar to the AL East.

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MFin04

Tied for second best record in baseball, and you want to complain that we don’t beat up on the “weak” teams? Seriously?

Though the Phillies have started off poorly without their two big bats, they still have three guys named Halladay, Lee and Hamels; and are quite capable of winning any game these guys pitch.

The Mets are playing surprisingly well so far this year.

And, the Marlins have been the hottest team in May (do you read any of CR’s stuff?).

I don’t know why I bother……….

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Ha very nice Ease. I like your wit.

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Who do you sit to play Diaz? Now that will be interesting to see. Maybe Chipper? Hopefully not Bourn or Prado. Fredo seems to think Heyward needs a lot of rest, so maybe Jason?

Inquiring minds want to know………..

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From the previous blog which had 1,132 comments, nolie led the way with 81 posts. There were 121 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:

Rank Poster Frequency

1 nolie 81
2 phil 69
3 tiger297 69
4 cabravesfan 51
5 Bat Masterson 37
6 ncscoots 35
7 BFChris27 33
8 McFann :Ô: :Ô: 32
9 Murph 31
10 Shaun 30
11 Mixxo 28
12 Ward 27
13 Lawton 26
14 VaBravesFan 26
15 J-Man 25
16 Sopheee 25
17 CraZy 24
18 brian 23
19 Brian from SC 22
20 CaptMudd 22
21 DS1 19
22 keylargo 16
23 Jerry 15
24 Heisenberg 14
25 raleighbravefan 14

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Minor, needs a good night tonight. It could be do, or die for him in rotation?

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Who do you sit to play Diaz?

Luckily, it won’t matter all that much, I htink. Giving Bourn a day off, today is as good as any. Chipper just had a day, I think, didn’t he? Heyward has more recent rest than Bourn, obviously. But you have some interleague coming up, also, so some opportunities there,as well.

In any event, these guys have shown that sitting a guy or two doesn’t put them in a crunch.

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David O’Brien ‏@ajcbraves
Fredi said he’s thinking about resting him RT @Colvindave: @ajcbraves do you know if Chipper is supposed to be in the lineup tonight?

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scoots

What I am thinking is this:

Bourn, Heyward, Prado etc are youngsters, and shouldn’t need to be rested before going into interleague play.

The guys we need to most protect in the lineup is Chipper and Mac. And the Pastornicky sits are understood.

So, in my mind, you do all you can to keep Chipper as fresh as possible, for as long as possible.

Does that make sense?

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JeanE – The REAL ASU

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Imagine the RBI total Chipper would have if he played every game this season.

Chipper has played in 26 games started 23 and hasn’t played in 11. I don’t think his RBI total would be that much more it all depends on who hits in front of him and did they get on base?? Besides people that pay attention to RBI are dum dums!!!

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if bourn makes that catch in CF we are talking about Minor’s few mistakes that got crushed and all the K’s he had instead of thinking about AAA

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tiger

All the folks complaining about Minor’s recent work have a condition we might call, SECphobia.

Fear of losing 1 game.

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if bourn makes that catch in CF

“If” gets used a bunch when talking about sports in the past tense!

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All the folks complaining about Minor’s recent work have a condition we might call, SECphobia.

That’s a real condition and all baseball fans that suffer from it should be kicked in the balls!!

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Fish is clutch.

It’s a lot of pressure, with a professional baseball organization’s fate resting squarely on Fish’s “______ owns us” posts.

Do we have a backup plan in case Fish gets hit by a bus? It seems like Mixxo has been training as a possible Fish replacement, but I dunno if I trust him enough. He’s misspelled “owns” a couple of times, quoted the wrong player/team… not gritty, not clutch.

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11 games missed is a lot this early in the season, CraZy.

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SECphobia is a great condition to have as long as one is faced with an insane, nonsense approach to crowning a national champion each year.

Why have a 16 team playoff, like the lower divisions do, when you can chose a champion with computer numbers and subjective voting?

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The hurt dance. I likey.

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choose….choose…..ugh

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I’ll be interested to see how Mark Buehrle matches up against some good Braves hitters. IMO over the last 7 years Buehrle has been a top 5 pitcher. And while not as good as he was he still can pitch. Also we need to start getting some wins against the NL East.

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New hitting philosophy seems like the old philosophy when TP was the coach. Wonder why they ever fired him

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I did read in Carrolls’ article that Walker, knows some thing about Mark Buehrle . That could be advantage Braves?

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Yea I know, CraZy. Just sayin.

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I know that lowe had a contract, but surely JJ also has a contract.

Jurrjens’ contract is only for one year at a time, nick. It expires at the end of the season. Players with six or more years of ML service time would become a free agent at that point; players with fewer years of service are still bound to the club with whom the player signed his last contract. For players in that condition, the team can offer a new contract or not,as they wish. Lowe’s contract covered multiple years, and was still in effect as the time of his trade.

Does that help?

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phil and tiger 69in’ it on the last blog huh?

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Ward

Interesting that maybe Walker might be able to give a few clues to the hitters about how to pitch to Burley.

But in the end, he’s the kind of guy that throws pitches to be hit. And when he’s successful, players usually don’t get pitches grooved to hit well. When he is off his game a bit, he could be killed. But for those type of pitchers (Maddux comes to mind), that is a rare occurrence. 7 innings, 4 K’s, 1 BB, 7 hits and 2 runs. That’s his usual line.

If more pitchers understood this process, they would be better for it.

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Perfect. Thanks ncscoots and DS1.

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10P

That pool you’re trying to wade into ain’t too deep.

Sometimes a guy just wants to rant…………..

(announcer on ESPN is saying in the background: “the Braves are tied for the second best record in baseball and the guy at the keyboard is saying)

but, but, but, we still can’t beat the weak teams in our division……. and our offense still gets shut down wayyyyy too much……

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Murph

May 16th, 2012
2:35 pm

Curt Schilling’s video game company is floundering and just failed to make a big loan payment to the state of Rhode Island.
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Doesn’t come as a big surprise. Arrogance and a bad economy are a lethal combination.

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Yeah, just ask Obama!

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David O’Brien ‏ @ajcbraves
Braves lineup vs. Marlins: Pastornicky 6, Prado 7, Freeman 3, Uggla 4, McCann 2, Diaz 9, Heyward 8, Francisco 5, Minor 1

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Fols

Helluva game! Congrats.

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Enter your comments hereThe Braves have a lot of potential Salary to open up next year.
Chipper Jones $14 million
Derek Lowe $10 million
Brian McCann $ 11 million……….$500K Buyout $12 million next year
Tim Hudson $ 9 million………..$1 million Buyout
Michael Bourn $ 6.845 million
Jair Jurrjens $ 5 million…………Arbitration eligible
Martin Prado $4.75 million………Arbitration eligible
EOF $ 2.490 million……..Arbitration eligible
Matt Diaz $2.125 million
Eric Hinske $1.6 million
Jack Wilson $1 million
Livan Hernandez $750 K

A Whopping $68.56 million could become available

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Abnerish- Lol.

Hopefully Bourn asked to be sat, otherwise it just doesn’t make sense to sit a guy that is hot. Does he at least have bad numbers against this guy? Something, anything, that can warrant a rest?

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Keith Law mock draft has the following for our Braves:

Tanner Rahier, SS Palm Desert (Calif.) H.S.

Rahier is one of the most advanced prep bats in this class and at least has a chance to stick at short, though his body looks like that of a third baseman. I heard Missouri State righty Pierce Johnson a lot here before he got hurt. Atlanta is also in on Brian Johnson, D.J. Davis and Matt Smoral if the team is sufficiently comfortable with the reports on the foot injury that caused him to miss some time.

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Chris

So, did anybody explain to Fredo that if Chipper is sitting and we have Tampa in over the weekend, maybe he could wait until then to give the red hot Bourn a blow, and then he wouldn’t have to bat Francisco against a crafty lefthander?

scoots

With this lineup, the doubts are starting to creep back in…………..

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Why you guys have to keep harping on it being Matty’s last year, I know it, can’t you just let me try and enjoy it?! Interesting lineup, I like Matty hitting between Heyward and Francisco better but just happy he’s playin!!

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I forgot to add the Buyouts of McCann and Hudson
so we have $66.06 million potentionally available

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Just take Smoral. Anyone but Johnson.

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Strong lineup tonite. Fish better bring their A game!

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Wow, that’s some lineup. I guess Fredi wants to see what Minor can do with no run support instead of his customary 6 runs per game.

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Here’s some love from Vegas – Go Braves!

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We are less than 40 games into the season. Yes, I guess Bourn has been looking a bit gassed lately, huh. What with his batting average dropping such.

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Rangers are clearly the best team in ML this year. Anything but 162-0 record for them is unacceptable. You win the WS by beating all the teams in all the games, no other way around it.

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Baseball players are as fragile as….

well, you know.

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Braves lineup vs. Marlins: Pastornicky 6, Prado 7, Freeman 3, Uggla 4, McCann 2, Diaz 9, Heyward 8, Francisco 5, Minor 1

uh…ok. cant say i like the look of that.

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Why would you sit Bourn when you can DH him on Friday or Saturday? Fredi is either over thinking, or he ain’t that bright to start with. I don’t know. This sort of stuff just perplexes me.

And chances are we will win again, since we are doing well lately. But if we lose a close one, then there’s a good chance it will be on Fredi.

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I don’t know that Lowe is performing all that differently from other recent seasons. He’s just getting better results. A lot of that is because he’s leaving runners on base at an 84.9% rate. Considering his career rate is 69.7, there is little chance of that continuing. Plus I’m not sure he can sustain his current groundball rate. 65.4 this season to 62.6 for his career. He hasn’t been over 60% in a season since 2008.

So you are saying he’s been lucky this year?! Next thing you know, you’ll be telling us that Lowe was UNLUCKY last year! That can’t be the case! We have to assign meaning to these performances!!!!!

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Fredi, could really make it interesting by putting Jack Wilson in the lead off spot. That would be very interesting…….

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I find myself always searching the following on milb.com

Terdoslavich, Simmons, Gattis, La Stella, Ahmed, Lipka, Salcedo, Bethancourt, Cunningham Larsson, Drury.

Teheran, Gilmartin, Graham, Spruill, Martin, Filak.

Always leaving out Milligan though.

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Walker’s certainly seen Buehrle work a lot.

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More hilarity:

Bourn against lefties this year: .250/.308/367
Diaz against lefties this year: .409/.500/.727

Obviously, Fredi is trying to destroy the Braves’ chances at scoring runs.

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Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9

_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Pastorn .235 .250 .265 0.515 .223 ___33
Prado__ .378 .429 .459 0.888 .394 __130
Freeman .194 .366 .419 0.785 .371 __103
Uggla__ .324 .400 .588 0.988 .439 __153
McCann_ .270 .386 .459 0.846 .358 __118
Diaz___ .348 .467 .652 1.119 .496 __187
Heyward .200 .300 .486 0.786 .334 __100
Francis .281 .314 .563 0.877 .362 __123
Minor__ .063 .063 .063 0.125 .107 __-68


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Why would you sit Bourn when you can DH him on Friday or Saturday? Fredi is either over thinking, or he ain’t that bright to start with. I don’t know. This sort of stuff just perplexes me.

And chances are we will win again, since we are doing well lately. But if we lose a close one, then there’s a good chance it will be on Fredi.

For a leadoff hitter, a day DHing is likely not as restful as a day off. Add to the equation that Buehrle is the starting pitcher, and he’s been MUCH better against LHB than RHB over the past 3 seasons. Add to that the fact you want to get Diaz in the lineup somewhere….while I’d say we are probably better off with Prado playing 3b, Diaz playing LF, Bourn in CF, and Francisco on the bench, I at least get Fredi’s thought process here. I’m even ok with Pastornicky leading off instead of Heyward, which I thought was idiotic until I looked up their batting lines vs. LHP.

The second paragraph of your statement is still very true, but I’m not sure it will be as a result of who is in the starting lineup.

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But the Braves are losing Bourn’s speed game!

Yes, against Buehrle, who allows about stolen bases a year, with a opponents’ SB success rate of 42% in his career, and 85 career pickoffs (against 50 steals).

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*Should say “allows about five stolen bases a year”.

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Bourn against lefties this year

He’s pretty much rendered useless against them.

Bourn has gotten on base at a .308 clip vs. LHP this year. Not very good, but not abysmal.

His OBP vs. RHP is .451. That’s just freakin’ awesome.

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Maybe Fredi is saving Bourn to play in the later innings if the game is close?

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Of course….Pastornicky hitting leadoff…has got to hurt your chances too..

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Am I the only one who is a bit PO’d at Lowe?

I’m sure you aren’t, but I don’t understand why anyone would be. I’m sure he wasn’t trying to be terrible last year…he just was. He was unlucky late last year, and he’s been very lucky early this year. A correction is likely coming, although I would expect his season numbers to be better than they were in 2011. But I’m not pissed at him for it…just disappointed it didn’t happen a year earlier.

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Ward, players are always available off the bench if they’re not hurt. If it’s a close game with the Braves ahead, he might put him in center field late, but it’s more likely he’ll get to hit.

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if braves win WS, the 1000 or so reasons why they won in spite of FG’s dumb managing according to people here would make for a hilarious-in-a-tragic-sense reading..

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Am I the only one who is a bit PO’d at Lowe?

Melky – more appropriate target for getting PO’d at

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So we blame him when it’s all going wrong and still blame him even if it’s all good? Fredi’s not my favorite guy in the whole world but that’s not really fair.

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DS1,

Totally agree that placement in the lineup is not the reason players are hitting better this year. I do think the change in hitting coach may have some effect, as numerous players have talked about how having 2 coaches has helped, and they sit with each player and develop a gameplan for that days pitcher. I think those type of things can be huge in making a player feel more prepared.

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Or what Brian said.

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Brian from SC, Fredi deserved some criticism for Pastornicky leading off, regardless of how it works out. Any hitter can get on base a couple of times a game and make a manager look brilliant. It doesn’t mean it was a brilliant move. That said, hopefully it’s just one game.

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Personally, I think I could win more games managing this team than Fredo could. But that’s just me…

reminds me of the guy on my poker table two weeks ago who was completely serious when he insisted that his putting game right now is way better than Tiger’s..

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“Personally, I think I could win more games managing this team than Fredo could. But that’s just me…”

Well, personally I think Fredi’s win total with the Braves this season, would be MUCH higher than Bobby Cox’s.

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Terrible logic. The part that matters is he is hitting before 6 or 7 other players that are better than him offensively.

don’t worry. after 1st 2 ABs, Wilson will replace him.

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Exactly right, RC. I’m the first and perhaps one of the loudest critics for Fredi’s tactical decisions. But I think the Fredi hate has gone a bit too far.

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Pastornicky 6, Prado 7, Freeman 3, Ugga 4, McCann 2, Diaz 9, Heyward 8, Francisco 5, Minor 1

Guess Fred is tired of Minor getting so much run support!!

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I would have gone with Ricky Henderson, but that’s just me.

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RC, I personally would have preferred one of the following in the top two spots: Prado, Diaz and Heyward.

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Sorry Shaun, didn’t see your post about moving up the lineup until just now.

That probably would be the best option statistically. However, I think that keeping players in a place where they are comfortable (however unreasonable it is that they would be uncomfortable elsewhere), is probably worth the minor statistical decline you get from leading off Pastornicky.

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I feel like if I ONLY had to make decisions about setting the lineups, pinch hitting, and bring relievers into the game I could do a SLIGHTLY better job than Fredi.

i know lot of people feel that way about themselves compared to pretty much all the managers except Maddon (even his haircuts are brilliant management strategy !!), but i just don’t agree with it. just my opinion, who gives a dam*..

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cricket

That was kinda tongue in cheek…………….(read the rest of the post for full explanation)

Brian

That’s not what I am saying at all. Personally, I think that if the regulars are hitting the way they should, the manager can only minimally screw up a game, so long as his lineups are set reasonably. Maybe an occasional gaff here or there.

With Fredo, it seems he is hell bent on resting two at a time. I just don’t get it. I don’t have an issue with resting Bourn. But why in the same game as Chipper, with Bourn being hot. Is it that important that Francisco gets a few swings against this crafty lefty? I get that JF is 4 for 12 against lefties, but that is an extremely small sample size. I understand and agree that Diaz should play.

Rest Bourn tomorrow or the next time we get a lefty. But not on the day we have Chipper sitting.

I think he has rested two regulars quite a bit this year. And to be honest, it hasn’t hurt him yet, though I’d love to see that split. But why take that chance?

And where I give managers the most credit for W’s on a team is in their management of the pitching staff. If the regulars are hitting, all he has to do is fill out the lineup card within reason. If they hit or not is all on the players.

If a pitcher is pulled too soon or too late has a lot to do with the managers success/failure.

Does that compute?

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LOL at raleigh….in a good way.

I don’t agree with sitting Bourn but aside from that, who gives a damn what the lineup looks like tonight.

As so many here are CONSTANTLY saying, and correctly to the most part, it’s just one game of 162. If we get crushed 9-1, then so be it. We’ll get em tomorrow.

If the guys show up and put up some patient ABs, we’ll be right there if Minor can manage to hold em in check.

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The Braves have 20 off days during the baseball season. Including the All-Star break. In 5+ months.

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cricket,

My point was that even if I was able to set lineups better than Fredi, it would be a very slight advantage, and he’d be so much better than me at every other part of managing a baseball team that it’s a joke to think I could ever do a better job than him on the whole.

It’s easy to read numbers on a computer screen. Managing a ballclub is WAY more complicated than that.

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Cole “old school” Hamels wants 7 yr 7 figure deal. braves are not going after him or anyone else.
my guess is payroll will remain same within 5 mil.

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Pretty sure that Mike Minor dominate last game!? Guy was striking out guys left and right, moving his pitches around well….and then…homers started to kill him. But, honestly, he did look really good for the most part, didn’t he?

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“only Fredi would sit the hottest hitter in baseball when he could DH him a coupla days….”

Of course, no one in the world would ever DH Michael Bourn…that in itself is stupid as well.

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cricket, I actually do think a lot of avid fans could fill out lineups and make pitching changes and things of that sort as well as most managers. Even if a fan doesn’t know the ins-and-outs of say, why you shouldn’t limit closer usage to save situations, he could still manage according to the conventions of all other managers and do as well. It’s the other stuff that would be difficult, the keeping everyone on the same page in the clubhouse, managing egos, dealing with the media and things of that sort.

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who cares how good he looks giving up an average of a run and a half per inning the last three starts?

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I would take Cole Hamels on the team every time.

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Let’s wait another five or ten years to start to compare Fredo with Bobby Cox, please?

nolie

You old fart, what do you know anyway?

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Just in case no one’s seen this yet, pretty cool… also McCann doesn’t look that fat.

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nolie- Oh I agree…but he was dominant. I mean inside of the plate, outside of the plate, striking guys out right and left. If he can figure out what went wrong with the extra base hits…he could have a very nice game tonight.

I’ve never seen a guy look that good pitching, and give up that many runs.

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7 year, 7 figure deal? I’d be betting on an eight figure deal for him if he gets a contract of that length.

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Michael Bourn is the best defensive player on the team. Suggesting that you just play him on offense shows a lack of awareness of his defensive value. It would be different if there was some reason to believe that resting him defensively but not offensively would be helpful to him.

I feel like there is a reason to believe that resting him defensively but not offensively would be helpful to him. However, I feel that it would be more helpful to him to rest him on both offense and defense, which is why I’m not all torn up about him not being in the lineup tonight.

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Michael Bourn is the best defensive player on the team. Suggesting that you just play him on offense shows a lack of awareness of his defensive value.,,,Shaun

another idiot heard from. he sits tonight you lose his defense for one game anyway, at least by DHing him he gets rest and we keep his bat. what is so freaking hard to understand about that/ You are gonna lose his D for one day anyway. sigh

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cricket,

Do I get to see a percentage for each players energy level like I do on XBox, so I know who’s tired? If that’s the case, I’m ready to go!

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cricket You have to wonder if that guy has ever putted on a green that has been prepped for a a PGA match? Like putting on a hardwood floor, but more difficult….

So, is the plan to give everyone of the regulars a day off during the current stretch? Getting one day off in thirty does not really make a lot of difference unless a guy is hurt or tired. I can’t see the validity of DHing one of your best defensive players either.

I think it would do BMac a world of good to get a bit more rest too. Let him catch 5 out of 7 or let Rossi catch Bodacious. The problem the past several years has been Brian’s noticeable fall off after the All-Star game. Maybe a good time for him not to attend this season. Let Chipper take his spot. He is getting the extra days off to begin with.

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yes rest both ways is likely better, but by DHing him once when he is still hot you could wait to give him a complete day off until after he cools off a bit at bat

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nolie- How about we just play him the whole 162 and benefit from his offense and defense, and DH guys like Chipper and McCann.

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not rocket surgery

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Lew

Now you know I only complain about politics normally, but some of Fredi’s lineup decisions are true head scratchers. I don’t have a problem sitting Bourn for a game. But why do it on the same day you sit Chipper?

I dunno, makes no sense to me. Now if he was truly struggling? When a guy is this hot, why would you take him out. I don’t care if Sandy Frickin Koufax is pitching. He plays.

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I’m worried about tonite..not because of the lineup..but because that was the longest post I’ve ever seen by Fish Bisch…disconcerting!

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nolie, but does he get significantly more rest if he’s still having to hit? I think offense is much more taxing, perhaps more mentally than physically but maybe physically as well, than defense.

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DS1 – He also won’t sit Uggla because he is scared to tell him. And I don’t think he was joking when he said it either.

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DS1,

I think Bourn is sitting today because they wanted to do it in the next few days, and sitting him against Buehrle is likely the toughest matchup for him personally, so that’s why it was scheduled today.

I think that Chipper isn’t being set because it was on the schedule, but because the knee is bothering him and playing him tonight could cause an injury, and it’s too dangerous to simply put off for another day.

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both of whom have had much more rest than Bourn and should be in less need of rest Chipper is off again today and mac is off every 5 games or so. DHing Bourn once would hardly ruin either of the other two. I am only saying this approach only because he has been so scorching, other wise it wouldn’t make any difference at all

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I personally don’t have a problem playing Bourn 162 games this year. Or at least wait till he cools off a bit. Or the world comes to and end. Yea, I’d give him that day off.

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“assests”? dont ask me what that is.

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McCann doesn’t look that fat.

No, but he still cannot run. Tight hamstrings most likely, anyone notice the short choppy strides he was taking when running from 2nd to 3rd last night? He is who he is, get over it…. It is why he is a power guy and why he has been in the major leagues for the past 7 or 8 years (can’t remember how long exactly)

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I personally don’t have a problem playing Bourn 162 games this year.

He may have a problem with it. Even last year, he didn’t play in every game.

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seems like a slow news day…might as well fire Fredi..

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Braves lineup vs. Marlins: Pastornicky 6, Prado 7, Freeman 3, Uggla 4, McCann 2, Diaz 9, Heyward 8, Francisco 5, Minor

I love this lineup. PASTORNICKY ON TOP!!! Go get ‘em kid. Show the haters whatcha got. 3-5, with a double, rbi, 2 runs scored, and a stolen base. Heyward in center, gonna be interesting. Let’s go Braves!!!

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And the world will be a happier place when we get to watch major league hitters at 9 spots instead of 8 hitters and one non-hitter.

Totally disagree. I realize that it’s objectively “better” with a DH, but I simply don’t care. The game is about entertainment, and I’m entertained by seeing pitchers hit, quality of the lineup be damned.

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personally, i think the 3 players who should DH when we have a 3 game interleague series are mccann (cause he can really hit and needs a break from catching) chipper (because he can really hit and needs the chance to not play the field) and hinske (because he is a pretty good hitter but not to good at defense, anywhere)

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nolie I am only saying this approach only because he has been so scorching, other wise it wouldn’t make any difference at all

thats a good point…normally his defense is by far the best thing you get from him, but right now he is killing the ball too.

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shaun And the world will be a happier place when we get to watch major league hitters at 9 spots instead of 8 hitters and one non-hitter.

ew. forget that. i prefer real baseball, where all 9 guys are real baseball players.

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cab

But he’s just a dang kid. Some guys hate coming out of the lineup.

If I’d gotten 3 hits last night and then saw I wasn’t in the lineup tonight, I’d be ticked. And if Bourn is NOT ticked at being sat, then he’s not the guy I was hoping he was.

Does that make sense?

So if we lose tonight, I promise to shut up about it.

Seriously though, I don’t have a problem resting a guy. But tonight doesn’t appear to me to be the optimum time to do so.

Joe in SoCal

But Fredi’s done the 2 subs in one game about 10-15 games this year, I’d bet. (not counting Wilson for Pastonicky)

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Fire the DH.

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Jack Wilson just can’t come into replace REV late in the game if the Bravos are tied/down… he sure ain’t no “lead-off’ hitter

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I actually get where Shaun is coming from with the DH arguement…it does make for better played baseball.

That being said, I don’t care if it’s better. I want to see pitchers hit, because that’s what I enjoy watching.

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nolie…I know..and I understand why he needed to do it..guys gotta recharge sometimes..just seemed like the timing sometimes was off. I always felt like you needed to make a statement against your division but its a long season and I’m sure if Shaun was here he would say something about the mean and how it averages out in the long term.

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Where is ol’ “Looseing Managar” these days? Probably changed his name and became a Pollyanna.

Sonny Clu… I mean, Journalist Ji…, uhhhh, Looseing Managar is probably over on Schultz or Bradley’s blog setting the hook and reeling in another sucker or two. That’s my theory anyway.

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uuuummmmm… Matt we have a show to do!!!

Ermm, I’ll be right there.

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MFin04

I agree giving Bourn the day off completely is better then just DHing but having him DH a game coming up would help save his legs as well. Although being in the outfield doesn’t sound like it is strenuous but it does take a toll on your legs. Ask Chipper or even Prado now how their legs feel when playing in the OF. It just drains your legs. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does still DH a game coming up.

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cricket @4:39 – That will truly be a sad day….but I have no doubt that Selig and his band of idiots will get it done before he steps down.

BTW, anyone who complains about the length of the game needs to compare AL vs NL.

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I thought the blog agreed spring training 2011 that when (not if) Simmons passed Pastornicky that Pastornicky would be moved to centerfield where his speed would come in to play more often and that he would bat lead off if he improved his OBP. Wasn’t that the plan?

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Doesn’t matter, cuz “In Fifty Years We’ll All Be Chicks”

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He’s been resting two starters a game with some regularity. Nothing new there, and team is in first place. For a reason, see the above.

Because they are winning the other games where he doesn’t rest multiple starters?

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ATLcracker – I don’t know about “the plan”, but I know there is constantly blog speculation about moving players to a new and unfamiliar position.

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Remember how tired everyone looked in September? Seems to me we are operating on a pretty sound plan.

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Shaun – But it’s so much fun to dance on the graves of the teams we hate!

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With that lineup, I assume Freddie does not like 1st place.

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@raleigh: Remember how tired everyone looked in September? Seems to me we are operating on a pretty sound plan.

Excellent point.

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Move FF to center.
Move Chipper to second.
Move Diaz to catcher and bench McCann.
Play Francsico at first.
Play Ross at third.

All set.

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DS1

May 16th, 2012
5:04 pm

@raleigh: Remember how tired everyone looked in September? Seems to me we are operating on a pretty sound plan.

Excellent point.
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How much of that tired was from playing baseball and how much was from too much partying and goofing off, including golf in all that heat? No way to know.

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scoots @5:03 – I see you are injecting your usual insight and wisdom. Almost everything looks easy until it isn’t.

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veer

Ever take a look at Diaz’ splits?

Be careful, you’re slowly rising toward the top of the “Dumbest Pre-Madonna Blogger” list.

(but it’ll be danged hard to surpass me!)

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F Lowe

That assjack NEVER pitched nearly this well when he was a Brave…not for this long.
I think I can count on both hands all the good starts he had as a Braves.

What a waste of money….

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ncscoots, I think all that stuff you mentioned can be learned pretty easily, especially by an avid fan who understands the game pretty well from a strategic standpoint. What can’t be learned is earning the respect of the players in the clubhouse so they aren’t questioning every move you make, keeping enormous egos from wanting to kill each other in the clubhouse, dealing with the media and not snapping when they ask you the same dumb question 50 times within 2 days, etc.

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Yeah….grossly overpaid baseball players have it so rough.

Give me a freaking break on behalf of all of us who bust our asses every day at work to support ourselves and our families. If we get two weeks a year off, we’re fortunate.

These guys get plenty of time off. Waaaaay more than plenty. And yes, it can and should include some extra days here and there during a season. But good grief. Are they china dolls?

No.

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Joe in SoCal, golf is a little different than baseball. And for every team that appeared to be affected by losing to another, we can point to teams that lost season series to another but won a playoff series against that same team.

If a team wins 94 games and a division title, I guarantee you they aren’t going to be thinking about getting swept in a particular series or losing a season series against a particular team.

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Whocares about Diaz’s Splits. Noway is he better than Bourn.
We have Minor going for us who will most likely give up some runs so to cancel that out we needed our best offense out there today. Secondly Marlins are hot and within our division. God forbin we get swept then we would only be 1.5 games ahead of them. These divisonal games are so important to us. This is not the time for dayoffs. We are going to Tampa. Fredie could have given Hitters dayoffs by turn by DHing them. This is just a donation by Gonzalez.

Diaz and Fransisco wil be rally killers tonight. Frustrating

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phil – does your physical condition affect doing your job (actually, I hope so, since if you rely on your mental capacity, …)

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I dont know if the lineup is a loser but you gotta let players rest and we really havent had that many days off. I wish we had Constanza or someone that could play CF but we will see what happens.

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FOBFan should be TOBFan

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Veer is right. These games are important. With this lineup Marlins 15 Braves0. I see a Marlins sweep. Freddie still likes his old team. He helps them out by being stupid.

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Obviously I meant Diaz, not Hinske. Time to leave. Too many brain frts by an old frt.

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Work BUEHRLE to death. Tough outs. Give him nothing. Let’s have 6-7-8 pitch at bats early and often.

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shaun Can we please stop discussing making statements against certain teams? The notion is just ridiculous.

some teams are more fun to beat, because its more challenging, thus the statement series, and the power rankings, ect. we all know it doesnt mean that much, but its fun, so back off.

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The thing is Fredie could have given Chipper day off today and Bourn an off day tmr when Chipper is back. He could have rotated the off days. Giving both of them dayoff on the same day handicaps our offense. Another thing is Bourn had a hot bat and giving him a dayoff could cool him down. Bourn was in a groove and by sitting him down it could mess him up.

Like someone said this is probably an automatic loss. Lets see how many LOB do Diaz and Fransisco combine to have and how many balls they fail to get to that normally Bourn/Heyward and Jones would have gotten to

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Wow Tommy is jumping on Fredi G and Im kinda defending him……. This must be Bizzaro world. Bourn needs a rest day but you are taking a gamble for this game.

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I kinda think we are gonna win tonight in extra innings.

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how many balls they fail to get to that Jones would have gotten to

Could just be me, but I think Francisco has about the same range, if not slightly better than Chipper. Besides, didn’t someone say his knee was hurting?

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@MikeinFL really? I thought only the bloggers knew what to do… no one can possibly be tired now, it’s way too early. In fact, players should never get tired… i mean, they only run a few times a game.

(sarcasm)

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“Could just be me, but I think Francisco has about the same range, if not slightly better than Chipper.”

It is just you. Chipper has better range than Francisco, not to mention is an overall better defensive third baseman. The old man can still play some defense…kinda surprising…but true.

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Can Francisco make the bare-handed play on the dribbler down the line and throw a guy out while on the run?

If not, then what good is he?

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Watching Pastornicky I’ve thought that he could be an effective lead off man…I just wish he could play SS better. He’s gonna be a defensive liability from now on unless they can find a position for him…maybe right with Heyward in center. All this assumes the Braves won’t be willing, or able, to pay Bourn’s (and Scott Boros’) price. But we’ll worry about that next year – or at the trading deadline if they haven’t done a deal by then.

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This is probably going to be long, so I apologize in advance. Just spent the last half hour going through all the lineup variations for the Braves, and the results.

Qualifiers: When Chipper started out on the DL, I didn’t count them as a sit day. Also I did not consider using Wilson as using a sub. (though he has started 9 games so far)

Braves Total Record: 23-14/.622
Braves Record 0 Subs: 11-5/.688
Braves Record 1 Sub: 9-4/.692
Braves Record 2 Subs 3-5/.375

No Chipper 6-9/.400
Chipper 17-5/.773

2 Subs per Game
Chipper/Mac 3-3
Chipper/Hey 0-2

1 Sub per Game
Chipper 3-0 (after his initial DL stint)
Heyward 2-2
Prado 2-0 (bench the bum!)
Mac 1-1
FF 1-1

What does all this tell you? Well, 2 subs per game is disastrous. Overall record with 2 subs per game is 3-9/.250

But like some say, maybe those are give away games the team doesn’t count on winning too many of? I sure hope that’s not the mentality.

So, if I have this info, you’d think Fredi would have this info. Wouldn’t he wait 1 or 2 more games to rest Bourn if he actually knew this?

But no, it looked good to him (referring to his Schafer comment last year)

I report, you decide.

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Wasn’t the DH invented about the same time as Astroturf?

Benjamin Braddock: “It was like I was playing some kind of game, but the rules don’t make any sense to me. They’re being made up by all the wrong people. I mean no one makes them up. They seem to make themselves up.”

Plastics.

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lineup looks atrocious, let’s hope minor is on his game tonight

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MINOR plus subs = loss

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Steel Bells: “Since Atlanta is paying 2/3 of Lowe’s salary, can we get 2 of his wins credited?”

I think the math would suggest 4 wins and 2/3 of a loss lol

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So I should amend to MINOR plus subs = loss???

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Neither can CHIPPER without wrecking his knee

Bah, I’ve seen him do it at least twice this year… and he walked away from it, no DL trip required.

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DS1, thats my point..Classic Coxian “giveaway” game. My guess is that 30% win pct is acceptable for these types of games. So far 3-6 is spot on.

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RIP:Chuck Brown, a funk pioneer who was a big deal for 40 years in the Washington, DC area. He had a huge hit (”Bustin’ Loose”) with his group The Soul Searchers in the late 70’s and was mentor to lots of more famous musicians over the years.

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A Sunday lineup on Wensday, no wonder the fans don’t come to games. BOURNE is hotter than hot and is not old. Why is he sitting? He must have the same agent as DOB. FREDI could rest BOURNE like Carroll said on the weekend in TOR, use him as DH.

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Jerry – .409 versus lefties is why Diaz is playing RF and not, say, Hinske.

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Joe in So Cal

When you’re 1 sub and 0 sub rate is just a tad under .700 ball, why on earth wouldn’t you be smarter turning more of your 2 sub games into 1 sub games (less games with zero subs)?

Just spread them out a bit more.

I realize it is more complicated than that. Sometimes on games after get away games you might want to rest your catcher and maybe Chipper’s knees are bothering him.

But why on God’s green earth would you rest a guy that is a young healthy player like Bourn on ANY day other than a day that both Chipper and Mac are playing?

Just plain silly to me.

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Guess I should watch GOAST HUNTERS tonight, wish FREDI would become a goast.

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OK, I’m done with complaining. I don’t really enjoy it. Win or lose, I will be pleasant the rest of the night.

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DS1, this is what used to drive me mad about Bobby. I get it..people need to rest but why all on the same day. Taking 2 or more regulars out of the lineup is a sure fire way to lose. Your numbers show that. So then why? I too am happy we are winning but we all know, one game CAN make the difference to the entire season. So why not sub for one less?

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Toast + ghost = goast? Thick, no, just a brick with lips!

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Pastornicky: 3-5, 1 run scored, rbi, stolen base You heard it here first

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Lag,

Yeah, I know why Diaz is playing, but after seeing him in right the last time, I’m a bit worried. Hoping for the best.

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For real no sense watching the game tonight, FREDI has given it away. almost wonder if MIA is still paying part of his salery. And I was saying nice things about him this morning.

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And I was saying nice things about him this morning.

Ah, so it’s all your fault, George. I don’t think Fredi wants you on his side.

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Outta here, I sure can’t say”have a good one tonight y’all” cause it ain’t going to happen.

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Its raining here……… Fredi’s fault

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Well, Minor is gonna have to step up to the plate and pitch better than his has lately if he is gonna have a chance tonight. I’m sure if this game is being handicapped by Vegas, the betting line is on the Marlins tonight. But the good thing is that the game has to be played and it doesn’t always go the way you think it will, so I have hope.

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Game time!!! Let’s go BRAVES!!!

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FREDI would have a better lineup if he brought the entire LAWRENSVILLE BRAVES team up for tonight game.

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MCFann_

Yeah him, too. They’re a tag team of the dreary wearies.

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McFann :Ô: :Ô:

May 16th, 2012
7:09 pm
Bat M. Its raining here……… Fredi’s fault

Or even Bobby’s
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Its raining here, RAIN IS OUR ONLY HOPE TONIGHT.

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We whipped up on Cuerto, we let Bailey beat us, and Huddy lost a 1-0 game in Chicago.

Anything can happen, any night.

I’m calling it. 5-2 Braves.

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Minor is lookiing dominant……..like he does the 1st 4 innings……..the thing to watch is the 5th inning he has been killed all season long in inning number 5.

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I said sumthang nice about Fredi once…..

Yeah, but that was in a debate with N8. Doesn’t qualify.

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Let’s go kid

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WTG Tyler!

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Nice start for the Rev

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I was going to say, “The Rev has a monster night at the plate” right before that single.

Being freed from the 8-hole gives him a taste of meaningful ABs.

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Wow! How bout that from the Rev. Nice!

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Pastornicky & Prado!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Maybe I should amend that to 9-2?

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Ballgame?

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AT&T finally has a commercial I don’t thoroughly detest. I actually kind of like the one where the young girl is so upbeat about getting her first part as an actress where she has a speaking part and is calling all of her friends to give them the good news.

At least she wasn’t at a Braves game texting everyone while the game was being played.

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WTG Freeman, the REV contributes… 1-1 already, my prediction looks good.

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‘nicky should obviously lead off every game, he gets on and Marteen in more comfortable in the two slot too. Bank on it!

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That works. WTG Freddie.

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We just may have a chance against these guys!

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No nolie, ‘nicky should not lead every game. Just this one.

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Mixxo just doomed us. Thanks…

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UGH!la

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wow nice mixxo… you jinxed it

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Should have had two there.

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Jurrjens just gave up back to back HRs in the 1st inning, and trails 4 – 0.

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I said “may…” have a chance!

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Uggs the only guy who doesn’t get the whole..”get’em in” part.

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Jurrjens just gave up back to back HRs in the 1st inning, and trails 4 – 0.

Let’s hope he’s working on a new pitch and not just throwing beach balls out there.

But he’s probably just throwing beach balls out there.

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lol@ old guy eyeballin’ the puppies.

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Jurrjens just gave up back to back HRs in the 1st inning, and trails 4 – 0.

Don’t know if he was trying new pitches or somethhing, but that ain’t good.

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Don’t tell me Uggla doesn’t have any range.

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Like I said I dont think were gonna see Jair Jurrjens pitch in an Atlanta Braves uniform again. He will be non-tendered next year. Besides you cant really justify paying 5 million to him when that money could be used on Michael Bourn.

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Get Durbin warm Fredi.

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Could be, but I wouldn’t bet against it.

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A nice start tonight…

Greetings.

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Diaz and Fransisco are useless as shown in this last inning.
Who wants a hitter who strikes out every at bat. Fransisco should be replaced by the deadline.

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I suspect Harper has found his place and for a long time. Major League outfielder

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Not really makin him work much…also not one fastball to Francisco in that at bat..

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Ozie has those ‘octomom’ lips–wow.

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Pretty good through 2, phil.

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Harper = Professional Human Being

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It’d actually roll off Francisco’s gut, jerry.

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Veer – STFU

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Captmudd,

If your standard of people’s lips is octomom then you watch waaay too much TV. She should never enter your daily thought process.

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I’m still at work.

At least I can still get the silky smooth sound of Don Sutton’s voice via MLB.com.

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nice try rev

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I’m still at work.

Need me to talk to your boss? lol

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technically, I’m still at work too

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Ahh Ump….could I get a call there please?

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Martin should be sat in the corner and not allowed post game treats and beer after the game. That was rediculous to not run.

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physically at work..yes. Mentally…

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so would I phil, but it makes no sense to bat Francisco against a lefty instead of Chipper when a righty is up the next day IMO

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The revenge of Omar, par duex.

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And here we go…

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Trouble for Minor already…. betcha Bourn makes it to that (sarcasm)

Why did I start Minor on my fantasy team? I expected him to do better against these guys.

Stop trying to hit people Mike.

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Man…right down the middle?

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It’s amazing how Minor can be rolling along and then all of a sudden, everything turns to shyt.

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I guess the chipper knee was a no go today…

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ooooooook. Minor, you’re not so good. Time to get JJ in there soon as possible. Untrustworthy this Minor dude.

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Guys all over the place…perhaps a visit to the mound might be in line here. Whaddya think?

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Exactly, Nolie.

Man, Minor just isn’t very good, is he? I thought he had turned the corner…

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When you say play me or trade me, you should pitch well. If he continues to struggle like this, he might get sent down/ traded….. is SIGNABLE ready?

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@Darth Obama…..Just wondering….thought processing, if you will….Have you ever thought about Satan? When I think of people like octomom….I take a position of extreme casual reference….kind of like here, the blog and people like you–very casual and certainly not judged by any particular standard of reference….take care and I wish you well.

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JJ wasn’t exactly roger clemens this yr…

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great..lets not give him the calls now..just what he needs.

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Jurrjens should be recalled

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