Braves postgame quotes following Wednesday’s loss to Marlins
MIKE MINOR
On what happened second time through:
“I gave up a couple hits, got out of rhythm, was making non-competitive pitches and they hit them.”
On if things compounded after a while:
“Yeah a little bit. I threw a curveball to (Bonifacio) on the groundball to Francisco….It could have been a big break for me if that was a double play and it went the other way. After that I gave up a couple more hits. It just kept on going. They kept getting more hits and runs. That’s what good teams do.”
On if felt any different second time through:
“I felt good the first time through and then the next time through I felt like my secondary pitches, I threw a lot in dirt, they weren’t even competitive right out of the hand, already too low to even bite at. I felt like I threw pretty much all my offspeed pitches the second time through just like that. It’s easy for them to sit back and wait on a good pitch and hit it, when I can’t throw anything over the plate that’s offspeed….and then my fastball. I started to compound that with trying to get the ball up, that’s belt high for them, and they put the bat on the ball.”
On if mentally something changes with guys on base:
“No, I still feel like I can get out of the inning. And I feel like I can do damage control, even if they score one or two there we’re still in the ball game. That’s what I’m trying to do, generate a double play ball. That’s why we kept throwing offspeed, but like I said everything was in the dirt. They really weren’t swinging at anything, and I don’t blame them. That’s my fault completely. BMac was putting down good signs and good pitches for me to throw; I just couldn’t execute them.”
On getting frustrated during this stretch:
“It’s pretty tough going out there, not only for me and myself, my confidence, but for the team. I don’t necessarily want to go out there every fifth day and people look at me as ‘Are we going to have another game like we did last week?’ or ‘Are we going to have to score a lot of runs this week’ because Minor’s on the mound?’ So it’s more of a team thing too. I don’t want the team to look me as that kind of guy. I feel like I let the team down, I let myself down and the organization down, and the fans. The fans don’t come to the ballpark to see me walk batters and go 3-2 on pitchers when they’re up to the plate. All that combined is stressful, but it’s part of the game.”
On feeling like he needs to learn from this:
“This is my third season here but I still only have a little over a year of (service) time. So it’s still a learning curve. You can’t expect to go out there and be an All-Star and be some top pitcher, but I also have high standards for myself. It doesn’t feel great to go out there and pitch like that. I’m going to keep on working, work as hard as I can, and that’s all I can do right now, try to get better every week.”
FREDI GONZALEZ
On what changed second time through the order for Minor:
“I thought the first three innings he did whatever he wanted to that lineup. He pitched in, changed speeds, threw a good breaking ball. The fourth inning Infante gets a hit. He hits Ramirez trying to go in on him. And it just kind of unravels on him. It’s kind of a little complex. He is getting it and then all of a sudden those type innings happen to him. That’s a young pitcher. You have to be patient with him and get him through those type innings. He will be better off on the other end when he gets through those innings.”
On if same missteps as previous starts:
“I’ve seen three, four solid innings and one big inning just kind of unravels on him. That’s just part of big league experience, getting through those innings and minimizing the damage, doing all those sorts of things. That comes with running him back and there and say ‘Hey, let’s get through it.’”
On if any concerns about his stuff:
“No, I thought his stuff was good, really good. He may come here tomorrow and something happened but his stuff was good. Crisp. I thought we were going to go deep in the ball game with him. After the first three innings, I think everyone would agree with that. He commanded both sides of the plate. He threw his breaking pitches and he threw a couple great change-ups. It’s just the way it goes sometime.”
On if planning to keep running him out there?
“Yeah.”
On Prado swinging a good bat:
“Offensively, we got 10 hits. We got some runs in situational hitting spots. I think both Freeman and McCann got them over and got them in on second and third and less than two outs. Stanton makes a diving play in right field on Heyward’s ball with some people on base. That ball goes through and it may be a different game. I’m pleased with Martin. I’m pleased with Pastornicky, who had a nice base hit to start the game off with. We had a couple nice plays defensively. It was a good effort all around.”
TYLER PASTORNICKY
On four stolen bases from Marlins:
“That’s part of their game. That’s what they do. We’ve got to try to keep them off the bases and do the best job of holding them on. They’re aggressive. That’s their style of play.”
On Walker’s game plan for Buehrle:
“He gave us a pretty good scouting report on him. It’s tough though once he kind of gets in his groove like that and he’s making his pitches, there’s not a whole lot you can do. You’ve got to try to keep him out of that. We had him early on but then we kind of let off the hook and then he settled in and started making his pitches.”
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J-Man
May 16th, 2012
11:22 pm
I’m glad Carroll asked Minor about facing lineup the 2nd time through the lineup………He always get lit up 2nd time through the lineup
brett
May 16th, 2012
11:29 pm
send him to the minors and bring jj back up, looks like jj is finding his groove again in 3 great starts down there
Pops
May 16th, 2012
11:29 pm
Minor’s got his head on straight. He’ll be fine. Meanwhile, JJ gave up 11 runs on 12 hits in 4 2/3 tonight against Buffalo. Don’t expect to see him back up any time soon.
Pops
May 16th, 2012
11:29 pm
Brett, 11 runs on 12 hits is not a great start.
brett
May 16th, 2012
11:33 pm
wow, im sorry, i didnt see that, just saw the 3 starts and 2.85 era
brett
May 16th, 2012
11:34 pm
is jj ever gonna get back to where he was? Have you ever seen a pitcher be that good and then that bad so quickly without it being an issue in his head?
Who Me?
May 16th, 2012
11:35 pm
Missed the game tonight, looks like it was a classic….
Pops
May 16th, 2012
11:36 pm
Yeah, you’re right that his first 3 starts were decent, but I wouldn’t go so far as great. Tonight he just got flat out rocked and if you get a chance to look at the box score you will see just how bad it was. Out of the 12 hits he gave up, 3 were homers.
He never had great velocity, but this downward spiral could not have been foreseen, especially if he really is fully healthy.
Mister Frisky
May 16th, 2012
11:39 pm
Looks like AAA hitters like that 87mph cheese too.
double
May 16th, 2012
11:42 pm
Errors & Excuses–Much better on errors.Need some of those Amish made bats like the pirates and phils use.Think Miami may have them.Need a good ace pitcher to balance out this team.
GO BRAVES!!!
May 16th, 2012
11:43 pm
“send him to the minors and bring jj back up, looks like jj is finding his groove again in 3 great starts down there”
Jurrjens has allowed 8 hits and 8 runs (7 earned) through 3 innings tonight for Triple-A Gwinnett
Brandon
May 16th, 2012
11:48 pm
i think i recall last season when jurrjens began struggling, jayson werth commented saying that he noticed a great decline in jj’s velocity(when they played the nats) , and it made a huge difference. Earlier last season, jurrjens topped out at 94 mph sometimes, now he is lucky if he can touch 89. I think the loss in velocity has also affected the movement on his pitches,etc. I get the feeling that jurrjens was not fully conditioned whenever the season started. Thats why i believe that the braves are going through a full program to get jj back to where he was.
J-Man
May 16th, 2012
11:49 pm
Brandon Beachy 1.60 ERA 45 IP 7GS
Tommy Hanson 3.43 ERA 44.2 IP 8 GS
Randall Delgado 3.79 ERA 40.1 IP 7 GS
Tim Hudson 3.96 ERA 25 IP 4 GS
Mike Minor 7.09 ERA 47 IP 8 GS
Jair Jurrjens 9.37 ERA 16.1 IP 4GS
J-Man
May 16th, 2012
11:50 pm
We need to have Julio come up here and if he cant get the job done in a month we need to sign Oswalt or make a Trade.
Don Nottebart
May 16th, 2012
11:54 pm
Actually, there is about 43 mil coming off the books: Jones 15, Lowe 10; JJ 5; Bourn 6; Durbin 1; Livan 1; Diaz 2; Hinske 2; Jack Wilson 1 mil. You are forgetting we are already paying Bourn 6 mil so it is off the books for next year until and if he signs again. At the end of 2013, we have another 22 mil with McCann and Hudson off the books.
So, for the next year we have about 43 mil available to resign Bourn, sign someone for LF or 3B or use for signing others to long terms. That would mean releasing JJ or trading him.
Don Nottebart
May 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
Time to call Teheran up and put him in the rotation. Or, I didn’t think I would ever say this, give Livan a chance to float that slow stuff for 5 innings.
JAFO
May 17th, 2012
12:29 am
Minor Seventy Niner. “Keep sending Derek out? Yeah.”
NorCal Brave
May 17th, 2012
12:34 am
@Brett: years ago the Giants had a promising lefty named Atlee Hammaker. He got shelled in the All-Star game and was never the same. Doesn’t necessarily explain JJ, but this stuff does happen.
Mikey B
May 17th, 2012
12:45 am
It’s obvious that Minor has been terrible but there were some other things that happened in the game that made me feel like this loss was not solely on Minor. For example, Uggla striking out in the first with a man on 3rd and less than two outs. That was a run the Braves should have got. The other part that had me scratching my head was Martinez throwing Stanton a pitch right down the middle on that homer in a 2-0 count and a man on second. At 2-0 they should have just walked him and set up the double play opportunity with Sanchez coming up next who has been struggling and take their chance with him. I mean the Braves just got three runs in their half and were starting to come back. When Stanton hit that bomb I knew it was over and don’t understand why they even gave him that pitch to hit. Yeah Minor was terrible and has been for a while but the team made some serious mistakes tonight that didn’t help the cause.
Darryl Blackberry
May 17th, 2012
12:51 am
If only our ‘pen were better, we could put Kris Medlen in there. But as things stand, he’s one of our best relievers, so how can we do that and feel good about the late innings?
Livan is a good pitcher, but he’d be an automatic three or four earned runs over five innings, easy. Julio or one of the other guys down on the farm should get a chance at this if Minor blows it next time out. Sure wish Jair were pitching with confidence down there, but apparently that hasn’t happened yet.
Stanley Crowe
May 17th, 2012
1:33 am
I agree wth Mikey B about not walking Stanton with first base open — and right after we had clawed our way back within reach. Also, what was Francisco thinking of, going for three! If he stops at second, we get at least one run in that inning, and maybe even two. On Minor — I like his stuff. His problems are in his head right now. Somebody needs to tell him to forget a man or two on base and just trust his stuff. He’ll give up a run here and there maybe, but not bunches. As for the Marlins . . . good team. They’ll be in at the finish. I see them ultimately as more dangerous than the Nats this season. I mean, Hanley Ramirez hasn’t caught fire yet. I think the Braves will be in at the finish too — we’re much smarter at the plate this year. It’ll be a battle all season, with the Mets and Nats doing serious damage too.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
2:14 am
Hu-oh.
Well the main lesson here is, that you can’t give anyone in the regular everyday lineup a day off, when Minor is pitching. I kid.
And, make sure that everyone knows, not to try and stretch a doulbe into triple, when you are leading off the 7th inning, no outs and down by 4runs.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
2:18 am
Oh yeah, that catch that Stanton made on the ball Heyward hit to right with two men on, earlier in the game, was a game changer.
I think that Bulldog Beachy, will stop those Fish tonight.
Go Braves!
Don Nottebart
May 17th, 2012
2:28 am
Why shouldn’t Fredi rest 2 of his top players at the same time? Aren’t they Marlins going to rest Reyes and Stanton in return? Oh, they aren’t?
J-Man
May 17th, 2012
2:53 am
Overall the Braves are a good team. They have some holes though heres my list of problems on the team and an Idea of possible solutions.
1. Lack of Starters being able to go 7 innings per start consistantly……. Beachy at the moment is the only pitcher you can count on going 7 but I dont see him going 9 innings. Hudson looks back and is the guy that can go 9. The rest of them its a crap shoot after the 5th inning.
2. Mike Minor has the highest starter ERA in the NL and 3rd highest in all of MLB…….Minor has dominating stuff for the 1st 3 innings but he seems to be figured out when he has to go through the line up the 2nd time around. I personally think he should go back to AAA and when September call-ups come up here have him become a bull-pen pitcher for a potential play-off run.
3. Tyler Pastornicky’s defense……I think him taking extra reps of infield practice is the best thing to do.
4. Brian McCann’s defense…….I personally think he has lost some agility and losing 10-15lbs would help him get some hop in his step.
5. Oventabrel………not being as sharp this year…….I think giving an extended break to EOF and Venters might do them some good, maybe a trip to the DL would give them that rest. This make Kris Medlen that much more valuable
6. Finding another starter…….Minor hasnt gotten the job done with his 7.09 ERA. Jair Jurrjens is no where near ready to come back to Atlanta. So that leaves Julio Teheran to try to come up here and see if he can get the job done here. Todd Redmond has an outside shot to get that call-up…..But if neither can make a difference I think the best option would be to sign Roy Oswalt as opposed to making a huge trade and giving prospects a team like the Phillies for Cole Hamels for example.
7. Fredi Gonzalez……..While he is managing a heck of a lot better this season. He still has questionable decisions and will just sit on his hands and remain emotionless. I personally think he needs to just challange more calls and defend his players more in arguments with the Umpires.
8. The Sporadic selfish ABs by Uggla and McCann….now I’m really reaching out here but Uggla and McCann will sometimes have the case of the Strikeouts especially with runners in scoring position with less than 2 outs. Like tonight we had Prado on 3rd with 1 out and all Uggla needed to do was make contact but he was trying to swing for the fences and went fishing. Also McCann needs to drive the balls opposite way more on that crazy shift.
9.Tipping Caps………lets not utter this phrase even when we do lose…..too many painful memories
10. Losing to NL East teams…….were 3-7 against teams in our division. And if were gonna make the playoffs we need to be atleast .500 in the division. We just have to play with more agressiveness and smarter (Juan Fransisco I’m looking at you your not Rickey Henderson just take the Double). And want to win more the the Nats, Phillies, Mets and Marlins.
Thats my opinion…….To lobosolo I’ll save you the time “ARMCHAIRS ARMCHAIRS ARMCHAIRS BLAH BLAH BLAH”………there ya go. To everybody else this team can win it all but they have to improve from now til September/October.
J-Man
May 17th, 2012
3:02 am
Reckingball you dont try to turn a double into a triple when you 300 lbs running like a Manatee…..I know that Manatees are water mammals and dont run thats just how slow Fransisco is.
Dirty Dawg
May 17th, 2012
3:11 am
I suppose somebody’s gonna take a hunk out of Francisco’s butt for trying to stretch that thing into a triple…if not then what’re they there for? I mean what in hell was he thinking? He took a look at Stanton halfway between first and second then put his head down and didn’t even look at his 3 base coach. I mean how stupid was that?
HOF 10
May 17th, 2012
4:17 am
Minor really took it hard. We have to remember that the players feel worse than we do when they don’t do well. It’s their jobs. Maybe he should switch roles with Medlen and see how that goes. Even in his bad stretch, Minor has pitched well for a couple innings. Medlen needs a look in a starting role anyway. I think he’d do very well. He has the makeup, and he has the stuff.
J-Man
May 17th, 2012
4:58 am
I really think Mike Minor needs to develop another off-speed pitch because he has a high K/9IP ratio but his batting avg. allow is .296. He doesnt give up many walks so he stays in the Zone but he gets annihilated after a lineup sees him for the 2nd time. He needs a Curveball to really throw off the hitters he basically has 2 pitches that he uses fastball and slider. Also would like to see him use a sinker more. But when you only have 2 pitches Hitters will Adjust everytime. MLB hitters are just that good and you have to have 3,4, or sometimes 5 pitches to be a starter and get hitters out. But I still think Minor would be dominant in the Bull-Pen should we use him there but I think he should go to the Minors and work on some off-speed pitches
J-Man
May 17th, 2012
4:59 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1186349-why-its-time-for-julio-teheran-to-replace-mike-minor-in-the-braves-rotation#/articles/1186349-why-its-time-for-julio-teheran-to-replace-mike-minor-in-the-braves-rotation/page/3
CF-brave-fan
May 17th, 2012
6:38 am
It makes sense to either move him to the bullpen, where he will normally only face the lineup once or send him down to AAA. I think Medlen should get a shot at starting.
Charlie
May 17th, 2012
7:24 am
Minor is a left handed JJ. They are both a bust. JJ won’t even make it out of AAA. Franki should have taken whatever he could have gotten for him last winter. Minor is still not major league ready. Maybe he won’t ever be.
More and more, it’s clear that Kris Medlen needs to be in the rotation. Too bad the brain trust of “Fredi & Franki” can’t figure that out. Oh well…they (apparently) would rather continue to be automatic losers every 5th day, than make a change of plans.
How about that Derek Lowe, pitching lights out, on the Braves nickel. The KK signning was another great move. Unreal.
alex
May 17th, 2012
7:32 am
@j-man.good points
,yes lobo and reckingnut will slober some garbage when they wake up…
minor starting is a problem, set him down and as for the manatee,…..
HOF 10
May 17th, 2012
7:35 am
We once had a lefty named Ken Dayley. We tried him as a starter and then traded him to St. Louis. They put him in the bullpen and he was really good as a reliever for years.
Good grief Charlie Brown
May 17th, 2012
8:13 am
sounds like some folks were saying the same thing i was when Francisco tried to take third on that hit: “WTF are you doing?! get back to second!
@J-Man: good points in your post, but i disagree about Oswalt. he has a bad back and wants too much $$…they should look at Redmond or Teheran to replace Minor in the rotation.
Minor’s problems the second/third time through the lineup don’t surprise me. but isn’t McCann the one who is calling the pitches? maybe i just didn’t notice it, but i don’t recall seeing Minor shake him off a lot in the past few starts. So, while his pitch location may not be optimal, i think the pitch selection in some of those situations should be scrutinized a bit too.
Winchester
May 17th, 2012
8:36 am
Hat tipping has been replaced with “just have to keep running him out there”. Minor seems to be catching what JJ has. Here come the Fish. Look out Braves.
BMac can call a fairly respectable game, but his overall defense is woeful. How many teams are successfully stealing bases on him and how many teams know that homeplate is available to them on stretching out the run?
bostonbravo
May 17th, 2012
8:37 am
here’s a thought….fire Fredi
alex
May 17th, 2012
8:49 am
reyes to mcCann,” thanks,but you really make it too easy!”…
jim
May 17th, 2012
9:57 am
I felt the same way about walking Stanton — especially when the count got to 2-0. Stanton was the four run difference all by himself last night with the catch on Heyward and the 2-run HR.
When Minor was going well at the beginning of the year, he was getting a lot of strikes on the inside corner against righties. Now, most of those pitches early in the count are a few inches inside and he is getting behind. Could it be that he has become a bit less confident and is trying too hard not to get hurt inside?
Kharma
May 17th, 2012
10:01 am
Mr Minor does a good job of keeping his pitching arm in front of his acromial line but he is not very fluid doing it. Someone should teach him how to engage his Latissimus Dorsi muscle as well as develop a humiliator pitch.
I’ll say this for the Braves. The effort is there.
Kharma2301@yahoo.com
robbcandy
May 17th, 2012
10:03 am
@ winchester
don’t forget the other new quote, “it’s all part of the major league experience.” i love that one too!
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
10:03 am
J-MAN @12:43……”The Sporadic selfish ABs by Uggla and McCann….now I’m really reaching out here”
Yes J-MAN I agree, you ARE really reaching out there.
Batters are not going to get a hit every AB. Uggla was struck out on a very good pitch in that AB.
Are you a relative of Oswalt, or his agent? You have got to be.
I like the Braves chances tonight, I think they will bounce back.
go braves
rc35
May 17th, 2012
10:09 am
It seems that it would be worth a shot to switch Minor and Medlen. Give Kris a start or two to see what he can do; if Minor can get ‘em out once around the order, he’d be a promising long reliever.
Chris Snow
May 17th, 2012
10:20 am
I think last night proved more than anything that we NEED to resign Bourne. And the ? as far as who will be our 3B next year is getting even bigger.
Minor hasn’t been the same since he got rocked in CO.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
10:21 am
@7:32……..alex, aka Snidely Liplash, aka the Boy Blunder, crawls out from under his rock(i.e. his mama’s basement), to start a new day of being a total DA(dumbazz).
Snidely, eat your Fruit Loops and drink your apple juice.
AS usual Snidely, thanks, but don’t call us, we’ll call you.
go braves!
Chris Snow
May 17th, 2012
10:21 am
@ rc35, I agree. If Minor has another bad start, it may be time to let Meds start.
Chris Snow
May 17th, 2012
10:24 am
On a positive note, Prado has been on fire lately.. good to see he’s getting back to his 2010 ways.
CRMAC300
May 17th, 2012
10:26 am
Can’t see the need for days off for players who are not injured. These guys play a game for 3 – 5 hours a day, they are not directly involved in most of the plays (except for pitcher and catcher), spend half of the game relaxing in the dugout, are in the prime of their lives and in great shape (except for Chipper), get five months off every year, and make millions of dollars per! Sign me up for that job! Every game counts! Just ask the 2011 Braves! Would Bourne and Chipper have made a difference in that game last night? We’ll never know! Put your best team on the field every game! Just another example of Fredi’s need to over manage that got him run out of Miami!
Don
May 17th, 2012
10:36 am
Braves Starting Pitchers have the SECOND WORST ERA in the entire National League – Only Colorado (who, of course, plays half of its games at home) is worse.
Where are all the people who attacked me all winter for saying that the Braves were probably going to have pitching problems – calling me a complete idiot and worse.
It is NO MYSTERY – You cannot continue to have good Starting Pitching – when almost EVERY STARTING PITCHER BECOMES INJURED.
This season, we had FOUR OF THE FIVE STARTERS COMING OFF INJURIES.
JJ isn’t even a shadow of what he was before his first injury. Hanson does not compare to how great he was before being injured. Who knows about Medlen – he was no longer judged to be good enough to be in the rotation. The jury is still out relating to Hudson.
IN THE 6 OR 7 YEARS SINCE LEO LEFT AS PITCHING COACH – OF ALL THE LARGE NUMBER OF STARTING PITCHERS THE BRAVES HAVE HAD IN THE ROTATION FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME, ALMOST EVERY ONE HAS ENDED UP BEING INJURED.
David O'Brien
May 17th, 2012
10:38 am
These guys play a game for 3 – 5 hours a day, they are not directly involved in most of the plays (except for pitcher and catcher), spend half of the game relaxing in the dugout, are in the prime of their lives and in great shape (except for Chipper), get five months off every year, and make millions of dollars per! Sign me up for that job! — CRMAC300
While you’re at it, sign me up for the job of rock star. I mean, as long as we’re signing up for jobs that pay really well that we’re entirely incapable of doing.
alex
May 17th, 2012
10:38 am
@chris snow, love it that prado comes to play every night , does what he can do, shows emotion..
@reckingscrotum:please use a napkin while your slobbering and leave my momma out of it……sheesh,you’re such an easy mark,no fun, come on you and lobo have GOT to be more creative, boring, boring….
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
10:40 am
The Braves are probably going to keep Medlin in the Pen for right now, and might use him as a starter later in the season, if they need to. That’s my opin.
OldFan
May 17th, 2012
10:45 am
Any talk from Braves coaches about a Minor/Medlen switch?
Chris Snow
May 17th, 2012
10:47 am
Oldfan I’m sure it might be behind closed doors. They’ll probably give him a couple more starts before making that kind of change.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
10:48 am
alex……..Snidely, you know that you are the easy mark.
Now, ask your mama to lay out your uniform, get dressed, and get to work.
Someone has got to make sure that the mustard gets squirted on the burgers, down at McDs.
wjones
May 17th, 2012
11:03 am
“reckingball
May 17th, 2012
2:14 am
Hu-oh.
Well the main lesson here is, that you can’t give anyone in the regular everyday lineup a day off, when Minor is pitching. I kid.
And, make sure that everyone knows, not to try and stretch a doulbe into triple, when you are leading off the 7th inning, no outs and down by 4runs.”
One would hope this would put a halt to all the geniuses who periodically pine away for Fransisco to play Left Field. Take a look at his “journey” around the bases last night, and imagine his “odyssey” after a fly ball. Would be pretty ugly. Catcher’s body, with catcher’s speed.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
11:09 am
Yep, no one could ever accuse Juan of being fast.
Hope he learned something, but a lot of runners make mistakes once in a while.
alex
May 17th, 2012
11:09 am
and SO creative;unique ideas and WORDS, oh my. BORING, come on man …..
TOMY FOURNIER
May 17th, 2012
11:48 am
Don…from the beginning and now, I has still saying that Atlanta Team is a “PRETENDER” not a “CONTENDER” TEAM. Next half of the season, you going to see the Atlanta Team in the thirth or fourth place of the Standing. The hitters are not selective at the home plate, the coach staff are clown and the maneger…well…is a MARIELITO” IN A BASEBALL GAME…YOU KNOW BETTER!!!! They do not stolen base when they have to do it, they not hit and run,they do not know how to advance the runners on base, they make a lot of mistake in the the game that cost run, they just always are trying to hit to home run..not matter what???…and so and so and so…that my team and for now….not final series not “WORLD SERIES”…AND I SAID!!!!!!!!1
wjones
May 17th, 2012
11:53 am
“TOMY FOURNIER
May 17th, 2012
11:48 am
Don…from the beginning and now, I has still saying that Atlanta Team is a “PRETENDER” not a “CONTENDER” TEAM. Next half of the season, you going to see the Atlanta Team in the thirth or fourth place of the Standing. The hitters are not selective at the home plate, the coach staff are clown and the maneger…well…is a MARIELITO” IN A BASEBALL GAME…YOU KNOW BETTER!!!! They do not stolen base when they have to do it, they not hit and run,they do not know how to advance the runners on base, they make a lot of mistake in the the game that cost run, they just always are trying to hit to home run..not matter what???…and so and so and so…that my team and for now….not final series not “WORLD SERIES”…AND I SAID!!!!!!!!1″
Before I comment on the absurdity of the statements made in your post, I do have to, respectfully, ask this question, and I am serious. Is English a second language to you?
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
11:55 am
@Tomy, Why are you even on a braves blog? Get a life and Shi Hu!
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
11:56 am
@wjones I speak 3 languages and I do not understand him.
TPic
May 17th, 2012
11:58 am
Wjones, shame on you. Francisco has deceiving speed – he’s much slower than he looks. And, he almost made that fall over and pass out move appear to be a slide.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
12:04 pm
@TPic Francisco is FG version of giving game away. He is still in love with his old team.
henry tn
May 17th, 2012
12:09 pm
i think switching Medlen & miner would be a good idea, because niner is good for 10 or 12 hitters then take him out because his problem is confidence….
wjones
May 17th, 2012
12:23 pm
A lot of you are accusing (maybe tongue in cheek) Fredi of being in love with the Marlins, and maybe you are right. Just speaking from experience, I can’t imagine “being in love” with an organization who fired me for discipling a player. I prefer “having my back” to “stabbing my back”. But to each his own, I reckon.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
@wjones Then why did he give the game away? He will do the same tonite.
least of the east
May 17th, 2012
12:34 pm
Minor is starting to remind me of another lefty-Jo Jo Reyes. good in AAA but can’t get it done in majors.
switch him to 5th starter/bullpen and make Delgado 4th
or switch him and Medlen
or send him down and recalll Teheran or even Redmond
why is he throwing off speeed stufff in the dirt ? maybe call up Cleveland and speak to their pitching coach who has Lowe 6-1.
TOMY FOURNIER
May 17th, 2012
12:36 pm
SORRY ATLANTAS FAN(BLINDS)…BUT THE TRUE GOING TO LET YOU FREE…AND AT THE END OF THE BASEBALL SEASON YOU WILL SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL…YES ALL ARE FANATIC DON’T WANT TO SEE THE REALITY!!!!…I AM ATLANTAS FAN FOR MORE OF 50 YEARS AND MAY BE I AM NOT GOOD ENGLISH SPEAKER, BUT THE TRUE IS THE TRUE…AND ATLANTAS PLAYERS…ARE “TRASH”…THEY DO NOT HAVE NOTHING TO COMPETE AGAIN THE OTHER TEAMS…I WAS A FAN FROM BOSTON BRAVES,LATER MILWAUKEE BRAVES AND NOW ATLANTA BRAVES…AND I AM VERY DISGUSTING WITH THIS TEAM FROM THE LAST 10 YEARS OR MORE…SORYY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NOT LIKE THIS…BUT THE TRUE IS THE TRUE…NOT MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!!!SORRY BLIND FANS!!!!
TOMY FOURNIER
May 17th, 2012
12:36 pm
SORRY ATLANTAS FAN(BLINDS)…BUT THE TRUE GOING TO LET YOU FREE…AND AT THE END OF THE BASEBALL SEASON YOU WILL SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL…YES ALL ARE FANATIC DON’T WANT TO SEE THE REALITY!!!!…I AM ATLANTAS FAN FOR MORE OF 50 YEARS AND MAY BE I AM NOT GOOD ENGLISH SPEAKER, BUT THE TRUE IS THE TRUE…AND ATLANTAS PLAYERS…ARE “TRASH”…THEY DO NOT HAVE NOTHING TO COMPETE AGAIN THE OTHER TEAMS…I WAS A FAN FROM BOSTON BRAVES,LATER MILWAUKEE BRAVES AND NOW ATLANTA BRAVES…AND I AM VERY DISGUSTING WITH THIS TEAM FROM THE LAST 10 YEARS OR MORE…SORYY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NOT LIKE THIS…BUT THE TRUE IS THE TRUE…NOT MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!!!SORRY BLIND FANS!!!!
Largo
May 17th, 2012
12:36 pm
Minor – “Play me or trade me.” Who the hell would want you?
Where is all this great pitching the braves were talking about not so long ago?
Huddy and Beachy and that’s it.
TOMY FOURNIER
May 17th, 2012
12:38 pm
TOMMY…THREE LANGUAGE…THAT’S YOUR LAST NAME…OH NO…IS TRASH…TRASH…AND TRASH…YOU ARE VERY INTELIGENT…OHHH YES!!!!
TOMY FOURNIER
May 17th, 2012
12:42 pm
W JONES..NOT THE SECOND, NOT THE THIRD, NOT THE ONE….JUST ANOTHER LANGUAGE…BUT I AM SPANISH SPEAKING…THE OTHERS…JUST TRYING TO MAKE MY BEST…FUNNY..NO????…
wjones
May 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
Well, if playing Francisco =giving game away, I suspect you will accuse him of that a lot, because Chipper will miss a couple of game per week, and Francisco will play at least one, if not both of those games. I suspect they will play him to see what they have, and if he turns out to not be redeemable, cut ties at some point. But you can’t sit a player all the time, then complain when they don’t produce. For all the talk about “these players are getting paid to perform”, so are their backups. Whether or not a player can play 162 games a year is not the whole question. The question is when is it better to sub–better for the player, better for the sub, better for the overall performance of the team. That’s part of what they pay Fredi to figure out. He can’t win with us. He either “gives games away” by not playing our starters every night, or he “burns out our bullpen” when he tries to preserve more than a 3 run lead late in the game. Every decision made by the manager can be questioned if you want to get nit-picky about it. “Why is our closer coming in?” “Why is so-and-so (other than closer) in?” “Why is he benching Chipper again?” “Chipper is spent..why did he play so much?” Bobby Cox said more than once that he didn’t read the papers during the season, and I can see why. I think it’s a real safe bet he didn’t read blogs, either. So maybe Fredi wants the Marlins to win, but I fail to see how anyone can justify how that helps him keep his job.
TPic
May 17th, 2012
12:50 pm
least of the east, regarding your comments on Lowe – yes he is 6-1 with a tidy 2.05 ERA. (He was awful last year but he seems like a good guy and hopefully his good fortune will continue). But I have to believe that is all he has now; good fortune. He is allowing more hits than innings pitched and has more walks than strikeouts. His ten (league-leading) double play balls have almost certainly killed several big innings. I just don’t see his wins and ERA holding up – not with all the peripheral numbers.
wjones
May 17th, 2012
12:52 pm
Thanks, Tomy. Just wanted to understand. I will say, however, I can’t agree with your assessment of the team. While they are operating under considerable financial constraints, compared to the early-to-mid-90’s, I believe they have done a decent job of putting talent together. Not the best, but certainly not the worst. While it remains to be seen how this season will turn out, I do like our chances. Maybe that makes me an optimist, but so be it. That’s how I roll.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
12:55 pm
@wjones Do not pull 2 starters at same time. Other people can play 3rd base. When you have a winning team, it works do not fix it. He purposely picked this day to pull his best player so he could LOSE.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
12:58 pm
@ Tomy Anya Hashimika, Kiki yi mau so, Shi Hu. That is what I think of you. If your smart which I doubt, you will figure out what I said.
Mark's for the Braves
May 17th, 2012
1:08 pm
Time to bring back JJ and send Minor to Gwinettt.
nashvillewill
May 17th, 2012
1:09 pm
Braves were not out-talented last night, but severely underperformed. Head-scratchers: Francisco’s out at third, K’s with RISP, Martinez pitching to Stanton, McCann throws to 2B and gives them a run, Minor’s great start then total stumble. Braves don’t have much of a shot with Minor pitching, Chipper and Bourn out of lineup, and McCann catching. I hope in Minor’s next start, the regulars are playing and Ross catches.
Felix
May 17th, 2012
1:11 pm
Keep Minor in the rotation? Why? What is the point in starting a leftie if he blows games? He is very good for 3 innings, but only three, then he fades.
Sounds like a relief pitcher to me. Let him build up his confidence from the bullpen.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
1:13 pm
@nashvillewill….. That is Fg way of LOSING ON PURPOSE!!!
jim
May 17th, 2012
1:17 pm
There were 3 in-game mistakes by the Braves last night:
1. Francisco trying to stretch his hit into a triple with his team down 4 runs
2. McCann throwing to second with Reyes on third (and almost able to walk home)
3. Pitching to Stanton with first base open — especially after the count got to 2-0
Brandon
May 17th, 2012
1:24 pm
The Braves lost yesterday because they gave up 8 runs, not because bourn was given an off day
southern hope
May 17th, 2012
1:24 pm
I was at the game last night…..just a few rows away from 1st base and what I saw with Francisco is a tiny stop at 2nd (thinking it through) then a mad dash to 3rd and he knew he had made a mistake but it was too late to turn back. I’ve done similar idiotic moves…starting in on something and then realizing oops. But I don’t do mine in a stadium.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
1:36 pm
@Brandon You are right about score. Why did he pick last nite to rest Chipper and Bourn at the same time? BECAUSE HE WANTED TO LOSE. He will find away to lose tonite. It is the Marlins. We lose tonite because FG says so. Enough said!!!
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Brandon
May 17th, 2012
1:58 pm
@Tommy – chipper had played in 5 straight games so I’m sure that we both can agree on him taking a day off.
As for bourn, from a statistical standpoint, he’s only batted .250 against lefties compared to matt diaz batting .409 coming into yesterdays game.
The 1 and 2 spots in the lineup still batted 4 for 9. More runs could have been scored if the 3,4,5 hitters did a little more
And even with chipper and bourn out the lineup, i feel that the Braves beat themselves yesterday( i.e mccann letting reyes steal home)
J-Man
May 17th, 2012
1:59 pm
Wait Tommy I thought you were a Fredi defender………I dont think he will try to lose tonight…..I dont think hes gonna help them win though
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
2:01 pm
@J-Man Anya Hashimika Yobosayo.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
2:04 pm
@Brandon I am not complaining about Bourn getting a day off. It was planned that way where he could purposely lose. Pick another day, BTW Diaz 0 for 4.
J-Man
May 17th, 2012
2:06 pm
OK well That really answered my question Tommy. Maybe next time you can put up Egyptian hieroglyphics to make it tougher to read. But if Anya Hashimika Yobosayo means Fredi Sucks then I agree
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
2:10 pm
@J-Man Anya Hashika Yobosayo Means Welcome My Friend. You are right FREDDI SUCKS. He is a Marlin lover.
J-Man
May 17th, 2012
2:14 pm
I think that Fredi would still have Jair Jurrjens still up here to get blasted if When/Schulholtz didnt step in and send him down. Mike Minor just gets destroyed the 2nd time through the line-up
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
2:17 pm
He will find a way to lose tonite. Moga moga Chi chi kiy hu so.
JeanE
May 17th, 2012
2:24 pm
I knew everyone would be freaking out that we lost and immediately blaming the resting of Bourne and Chipper. Get real, Minor stunk it up and we were in a big hole against a great pitcher. I’m still mad a Juan for thinking he’s Jason or Tyler and trying to make it to 3rd, boneheaded move, but what’re you going to do? They’re human beings, people! The knee jerk reaction is put Medlen back into the rotation but probably best not to be too hasty on that, he’s doing so well in long relief. What would be do without our long relievers since our young starters can’t go past the 5th or 6th inning? The joke is that the old guy, Hudson, can do it but the kids can’t. I don’t get that. I see D-Lowe and what he’s doing, good for him but as bad as he looked last year, I didn’t want to keep him. A complete game at 38, that is so impressive. We’ll get them tonight. Ironically, Matty D has a great record against Nolasco but I know, I know, NO WAY is he playing tonight! Hey, at least he had an RBI last night, groundout or not, it counts!!! Go Braves.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
3:04 pm
A MLB manager losing on purpose, because he still loves the team that fired him 2 yrs. ago? Come on man.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
3:15 pm
As some of the MLB analysts(who seem to know a WHOLE lot more about MLB, that all of us analysts on these blogs do)have stated,
Medlin is just coming back from a TJ surgery.
He has never thrown more than something like 120 innings, in any league that he has played in.
They suggest keeping him in the pen, and moving him into the rotation later in the season, if needed.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
3:16 pm
If he did not love the Marlins, Why did he purposely lose? Do not say he didnt , because it is obvious. You do not pull your 2 best players at the same time. You are winning. It works dont fix it. He wanted to lose. Moga moga Chi chi kiy hu so!!!
wjones
May 17th, 2012
3:27 pm
reckingball, it’s no use. Tommy is on the ledge now, and there is no talking him down. Bring in the net and the EMS units.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
3:34 pm
wjones, I think that you may be right.
Ooga camoooger stinky pooga itchy pits stinky footsa!!!!!
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
3:38 pm
@ reckingball… You say he got fired for disciplining a player. Why dont he do the same to his players. Like Francisco, who does nothing. Like Uggla who strikes out with men in scoring position. Heyward, who only tries to get one hit a game. Minor and Hanson ,who cant find the plate with 2 hands. What kind of manager is that. ONE WHO WANTS TO LOSE!!!
rc35
May 17th, 2012
3:45 pm
Just for the record, when Francisco got thrown out, the Braves were only down by 2 runs. Stanton’s homer came in the top of the next inning. It was still a bonehead play, but let’s get the game situation correct.
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
3:49 pm
@rc35 Not just refering to that play. Talking whole season. FG is a Loser, NIchi Wa
Tommy
May 17th, 2012
4:04 pm
Quita kiko meri meri , May God Bless you. Have Peace Go Braves!!! Sayonara everyone!!!!
James Toolin
May 17th, 2012
4:20 pm
Matt Diaz the fish killer is craving fish & chips 2night.
Matt
May 17th, 2012
4:21 pm
Been out of town, Whats happening?
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
4:50 pm
Factually, for the record, the score was 8-4, when Juan Fran. was thrown out at 3rd.
Stanton hit the homer in the top of the 7th, Juan tried to make a triple out of a double and was thrown out, leading off in the bottom of the 7th.
reckingball
May 17th, 2012
5:02 pm
I did not say what was the reason, that Fredi was fired from the Fish.
You think that a manager should discipline a player when he strikes out with RISP?
Heyward only tries to get one hit per game?
A manager(whose job depends on winning) wants to lose games?
Wow? Come on?
Fransico knows that he messed up, and Hanson has pitched well his last few starts, he just hasn’t gone deep enough.
And that’s all I have to say about that, or say to you, right now.
Matt
May 17th, 2012
5:13 pm
HI RECKINGBALL, Hows it going. Who is the Japanese clown?