4:55 pm May 5, 2012, by David O'Brien
May 6th, 20126:32 pm
count schemula–I don;t like the choke label, and I hate it when its applied to those Bills teams (who lost to better teams in the NFC), and the old Vikings.
If you had a choide who would you rather have–
The one shot wonder Joe Namath Jets or the Vikings from 1969 to 76 or those Jim Kelly Bills who are the only team to go to 4 super bowls in a row.
I will gladly take 8, 10 yrs of consistency and a few visits to the dance over a one shot wonder and then nothing for years.
Those Jets were the most overrated sports teams of my lifetime.
May 6th, 20126:34 pm
We still talk about that Jets team though.
May 6th, 20126:36 pm
May 6th, 2012
MI Braves fan—Its losing to those loud mouth stinking New Yorkers that bother me, and nationally, our guys did not get the respect they deserved.
I care about that and am bothered by the Northeastern trash talkers.
I know the Braves were winners, you know they were but those pundits make a joke out of us and I hate it.”
That I understand – yes, they did not get the respect they deserved, and I hate the “pundits” crap too! But that has nothing to do with now, and it’s time to stop assuming the worst while allegedly hoping for the best! Just support these guys! From the kids to “War Horse”!
So there’s a chick I know named LaTisha and I was walking behindher in the wal mart parking lot and she yellled on the phone “Girl, I just got out the wal mart and got my heeeir did”. Meaning hair. So funny
May 6th, 20126:37 pm
I think the “issue” comes when you think the team could be “special” but does not achieve that.
In some ways, it’s easier to go 81-81 than to go 102-60 and go out to the Astros in the first round.
I’m surprised pitchers haven’t started giving Freeman not much to hit at the plate, he’s swinging at everything and being very aggressive.
May 6th, 20126:40 pm
oh no, in New York, Melo dropped 41 and Amare 20. Argh. I want the heat to lose to OKC, but.. even this nonsense will be something to talk about for a day or too. Blech.
May 6th, 20126:41 pm
Braves have 44 runs and 64 hits during current 4-1 stretch vs. Phillies and Rockies
Of course that includes the shutout, 3 hitter by Joe Blanton. So in the 4 wins they have 44 runs and 61 hits.
I want to be excited right now, but it’s still so early in the season. Believe me, I’m happy and they’re showing people that they can hit and I know the pitching will get better when Hudson returns to form. But I want to see consistancy,not just for a month.
then to go* damn uneditable blog
May 6th, 20126:42 pm
oh no, double damn it, lol, oh well, at least it’s preserved 4eva
May 6th, 20126:44 pm
learn to take life one day at a time…
Will all due respect Mr Moyer, take the ass whipping with dignity. #soreloser
“Braves have not in the recent years been a team that retaliates for a hit batsman nor to respond to any stupid things like this Jamie Moyer thing. They’ve risen above it every time. Prove it with the bats instead of fists. That said, it’s been a while since we saw a good old-fashioned brawl. might be fun as long as nobody gets hurt.”
Bravesgrl, the last Braves brawl I remember is when Andres Galarraga charged the mound and getting suspended, again.
May 6th, 20126:45 pm
charging the mound is ridicilous
Looking at the 2002-2003 roster… maybe it was a mistake to have Smoltz as a closer?
Pitching 64 innings instead of 200+
May 6th, 20126:47 pm
May 6th, 2012
Will all due respect Mr Moyer, take the ass whipping with dignity. #soreloser”
Classic Peter – well said! Thanks, Moe!
This is the best brawl team we’ve had in a while though… Juan and Hinske from one direction, Uggla and Livan from the other… Moyer would be leaving a pee trail from mound to the exit…
May 6th, 20126:48 pm
wasn’t much of that to limit his IPs and protect his arm if possible
Great job by BB. At the sake of putting on a jinx as I thought MM had turned the corner, BB just may be a lot better than I thought he was. Today was impressive. With all of the runs being scored here, he did a (to use a fredi-ism) helluva job today.
May 6th, 20126:49 pm
Why did C-Mart get a save today?
May 6th, 20126:50 pm
yeah you hafta give BB mucho kudos for today’s outing in Coors
“wasn’t much of that to limit his IPs and protect his arm if possible”
which I think he has hinted was not exactly easy in a relief role… ie getting ready for 35 games instead of 60+
May 6th, 20126:51 pm
nolie, that it is but Galarraga tore him up, though.
May 6th, 20126:53 pm
What seems to be Moyer problem? I guess he could not stand the fact that we were getting to him. He better be careful. Chipper will take Freeman, Heyward, and Uggla with him.
tying run was at bat wasn’t it?
May 6th, 20126:54 pm
MI Brave–Support the guys now, that is something that even the most hardened negative poster does, in spite of how frustrated that person gets with them.
I post negative thoughts and lose patience with the guys but I support them all.
Keep it up vs the Cubs.
Yup, that’s it Nolie. Thanks. He came in with the score 6-2 and the bases loaded I believe.
don sutton's poodle perm
May 6th, 20126:55 pm
not good to get into a fight with an old man, you look bad if you charge like ventura did against nolan ryan and get beat down by an old man. but you also look bad if you beat up an old man like how pedro looked bad for tossing zimmer to the ground. zimmer deserved it, but it looked like a hate crime against the elderly.
2 2/3 IP and the tying run was on deck when he came in.
May 6th, 20126:56 pm
most thought that getting ready and pitching 5o or so innings would be easier on it that pitching 200.
Smoltz is kinuva drama queen anyway
Braves bullpen in 2002
Smoltz 3.25, ok, here comes the lulz
Chris Hammond .95
Mike Remmlinger 1.99
Darren Holmes 1.81
Kerry Lightenberg 2.97
Tim Spooneybarger 2.63
May 6th, 20126:57 pm
tying run was at bat I think KL
Making Smoltz the closer from 2002 thru 2004 was the right decision.
As good and great as Smoltz was, his transition back to the rotation to come back and have 3 good yrs from 2005 to 07 made it a no doubt that he does belong in Dooperstown. It sealed the deal.
In some respects, Smoltz was as good or better of a pitcher during that 05 to 07 stretch than he was during some of his prime seasons. (Okay, take away his 2 best yrs in 96 and 98). I would put Smoltz 05 06 and 07 yrs aganst any of his other yrs.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Freeman go in a slump soon. Pitchers are gonna change how they pitch to him.
May 6th, 20126:58 pm
yeah that was some pen that one year, most of them were never that good again
May 6th, 20126:59 pm
Freeman will just have to make adjustments as pitchers change the way they pitch to him, as he continues his developmental curve.
Yes, he will go into somewhat of a slump at some point.
May 6th, 20127:00 pm
Disgusted – you probably do. I’m not sure all the “hardened negative poster(s)” do.
“In some respects, Smoltz was as good or better of a pitcher during that 05 to 07 stretch than he was during some of his prime seasons. (Okay, take away his 2 best yrs in 96 and 98). I would put Smoltz 05 06 and 07 yrs aganst any of his other yrs.”
I can agree with that.
When he was younger, he had great stuff.
In his last years, his mental approach was really something else. He still had great stuff, but he was just plain fierce mentally.
May 6th, 20127:01 pm
don sutton’s Pedro had a bad attitude, though. Galarraga was always happy, it was unusual as hell to watch him charge. I couldn’t blame him after all of the plunks he took.
Nolie – I remember it as bases loaded one out 6 – 1. Grounder to Uggla force at second run scores 6 – 2, 2 out. 3 out.
May 6th, 20127:02 pm
At Triple-A Gwinnett, Jurrjens in 2nd start worked 8 strong innings for the win, allowing 2 runs, 5 hits, 1 walk w/ 3 K’s.
May 6th, 20127:03 pm
May 6th, 2012
most thought that getting ready and pitching 5o or so innings would be easier on it that pitching 200.
Smoltz is kinuva drama queen anyway”
Don’t you mean “Dancing Queen”?! (For those who don’t know, that was the opening music the first time Smoltzie came in to close – it’s never stopped being funny!)
but it’s hilarious for some reason… look at the players in the background all changing their direction…
May 6th, 20127:04 pm
Hammond after leaving ATL
204 Inn 3.66 ERA
Remlinger after ATL
167 Inn 4.35 ERA
Spoony after ATL
42 Inn 4.07 ERA Injured out of Baseball.
Lightenberg after ATL
124 Inn 5.52 ERA
May 6th, 20127:05 pm
But, Key, neither one of those scenarios you described would qualify for a save, would they?
OK KL, I’m prolly be misremembering, I was kinda busy at the time with getting dinner started. thanx
May 6th, 20127:06 pm
Yeah every player is gonna slump, but I see a real bad one coming for Freeman. He’s just so aggressive at the plate, he’s gonna have to show some patience and ability to take walks or he’s gonna start lookin foolish. But that’s just my take.
May 6th, 20127:08 pm
KL is right about the tying run being on deck constituting a save Jason.
May 6th, 20127:09 pm
Cool, thanks Keylargo and Nolie. I knew that…I “misrembered” too.
JasoninFL – if I remember correctly the tying run can be on deck for a save of this type. Martinez came in with bases loaded and the score 6 – 1. Batter would be 5 and on deck would be 6.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
May 6th, 20127:10 pm
Tuesday: Braves RH Randall Delgado (2-3, 5.14) vs. RH Ryan Dempster (0-1, 0.95)
Maybe David Ross would like to play on Tuesday, too…?
May 6th, 20127:11 pm
Freeman has .426 avg (20-for-47) w/ 4 doubles, 1 triple, 8 HRs, 18 RBIs in 11 games vs. Rockies.
He as 20 HR in 194 games vs. everyone else
Galarraga was always happy, it was unusual as hell to watch him charge. I couldn’t blame him after all of the plunks he took.
It was his own damn fault. Stood right on top of the plate with his big wide body with all of that body armor on. Kinda dumb to charge when you’re the one at fault.
May 6th, 20127:18 pm
I agree, Andres as much as dared them to hit him with his approach and all that armor. silly to get angry when it happened. Its not like a good pitcher is just gonna give up the inside of the plate because a player charges
May 6th, 20127:21 pm
I guess you have to wait and see VA Brave, but I hope that if he starts to look silly at the plate that he is un Francoeur like (the 2008 Francoeur I mean) in his approach.
You want confidence and aggression to some degree. Freddie is not Heyward as far as drawing walks, but he has not really had a hopeless slump yet. (Not one that I can think of).
I don’t think that he is that fundamentally flawed at a ballplayer (at bat or even with the glove).
His lack of range is his weakness and is why his player value like WAR will be less than what it should be. I still cannot believe he was not at least a 2.0 WAR last yr. That is why I do not like that stat.
Rox need to sign him as a FA
I was bored and decided to look at Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth’s salaries. Hank made around 1.5 million in his career, Babe made around 1 million.
May 6th, 20127:22 pm
I have little use for WAR either and it ain’t cause I don’t understand it
May 6th, 20127:23 pm
Chris Davis of the Orioles has struck out 5 times batting today, and is now pitching the 16th inning… Should have been out of the inning but Betemit makes an error…
I don’t like WAR either. Kinda seems silly in a way.
May 6th, 20127:24 pm
heck I’d give a young Hank 1.5 for a career with the Braves…
And Marlon Byrd thrown out at home to end the 16th…
May 6th, 20127:25 pm
its like most mathematical models, it attempts to quantify what is not totally quantifiable. Interesting, but flawed by the very nature of the game
May 6th, 20127:26 pm
“I was bored and decided to look at Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth’s salaries. Hank made around 1.5 million in his career, Babe made around 1 million.”
Racism or.. the New York effect? (It’s a mystery!)
Hank will always be the Home King to me. Rock steady in an adverse climate. Never more than 50HRs.
You know what’s sad? When Hank Aaron breaks the record and the fans chase him on the field… I’ve ALWAYS wondered if Hank’s first reaction was not “F! Do those kids have knives!” Then after it’s clear they don’t he just shoos them away and tries to get them out of his spotlight, but, I’ve always thought he was scared as hell at first.
May 6th, 20127:28 pm
what would racism have to do with it? They were among the highest paid players of their respective eras. Is it you that is always playing that card?
May 6th, 20127:30 pm
No, think about it. Hank only out earns Ruth by $500k decades after the the fact?
I’d like to see Aaron’s pay vs. his contemporaries, but, either Ruth was overpaid or Aaron was underpaid. It may not be racism. Could just be that Ruth played in NY.
May 6th, 20127:32 pm
Hank Aaron at 42 years old in 1974 made 240,000. Now player of that type of caliber are making over 20 million when there 40 years old (AROD,PUJOLS)
May 6th, 20127:33 pm
@nolie….. Moyer is a bum and always has been what I call a hot shot. JMO
Gehrig earned $360k, and Hank’s salary looks comparable to his contemporaries (Mantle earned $1m)
So… Ruth was very well paid.
Damn, they really did not earn much money until the free agent era.
May 6th, 20127:34 pm
players did not make much money until the end of Hank’s career. Mantle only made a million for his career and he played in NY and was white
May 6th, 20127:35 pm
What was it like before the free agent era?
May 6th, 20127:36 pm
May 6th, 2012
its like most mathematical models, it attempts to quantify what is not totally quantifiable. Interesting, but flawed by the very nature of the game”
(And I’m not laughing – I think you just nailed it!)
The most Babe Ruth ever made was 80,000. in 1930 and 1931 ages 35,36.
But in 1921 Ruth was paid 30,000 + 5,000 for exhibitions games + 50 bucks per homerun LOL
Yaz earned $1.7M playing a bit later than Aaron.
Owners held the cards in those years didn’t they? wow
May 6th, 20127:37 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
The drama mounts: If Chris Davis can close this out, he’ll be 1st AL position player to win a game as a pitcher since Rocky Colavito in 1968
Adam Jones 3 run HR in the top of the 17th…
May 6th, 20127:38 pm
I believe these salaries are just estimations too… Not sure. Just going by MLB reference.
“What was it like before the free agent era?”
Teams owned players.
Salaries were higher than the average man, but not like they are now.
Watch episode 8 and 9 of Ken Burns Baseball on streaming Netflix. Covers this, and Curt Flood flood very well.
May 6th, 20127:39 pm
many players worked at other jobs during the winter months. as late as 1973 the minimum salary in the bigs was only 15K. players regularly had their salaries cut after a poorer year than normal.
other folks in baseball, scouts, coaches managers got very little and we all worked other jobs except for some of the most famous managers
May 6th, 20127:41 pm
Willie Mays made 1.8 million or so. But most in 1 season is 165,000
Jackie Robinson made 189,000 in his career. Most in 1 season 42,000
Even Chuck James kept his job at Home Depot.
Hmm, actually, that was a pretty good decision, lol.
May 6th, 20127:42 pm
David Ross: “Freddie Freeman’s an absolute beast. I mean, that guy … that guy is amazing. I’d love to be like him one day.”
yeah good thing Chuck kept his day job
May 6th, 20127:43 pm
Ted Williams made 1.4 million, 125,000 being the most in 1 season.
maybe when Rossy grows up he can be just like Freddie….
May 6th, 20127:44 pm
And Chris Jones gets a K and a DP to win the game…
May 6th, 20127:45 pm
VJ, how hard was Davis throwing? Was it all fastballs? LOL
Gimpah & McError
Has Jamie Moyer ever cheated on his wife? Didn’t think so!
Moyer has been around the game a long time and Chipper can’t be trusted because he’s an admitted adulterer. Therefore, Chipper got caught and now he wants to play innocent. Yeah, right.
May 6th, 20127:46 pm
Jamie Moyer has made over 80 million in his career…. This is fun.
Haven’t been around the blog much this weekend since I was traveling but was able to catch last night’s game on MLB Network. Great sweep in Denver! I came back from my travels with a few albums from an Australian band Gotye, Swedish band.. Miike Snow and Atl’s own B.o.B.
May 6th, 20127:47 pm
Good nite everyone. God bless you and have peace. Take care. Later GO BRAVES!!!!
It doesn’t really surprise me anymore
GordonEdes Gordon Edes
DMac is losing pitcher and grounds into inning-ending DP. Chris Davis had a career in one 6-hour 7-minute afternoon
And then it starts to open up…
Reggie Jackson $9m
Dave Winfield $27m
See ya WARD, I mean Samantha… LOL
May 6th, 20127:48 pm
heck even Chuck James made more than mantle or Aaron
May 6th, 20127:49 pm
“Chipper can’t be trusted because he’s an admitted adulterer.”
I actually laughed out loud…
May 6th, 20127:50 pm
Its crazy how times changed. I wish regular jobs pay would go up, hell its going back down. But somehow it cost more to live. Don’t understand it.
May 6th, 20127:52 pm
Aaron played 23 seasons. Baseball reference only has 11 seasons worth of Aaron’s salary listed
Aaron’s salary in 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1960, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969 are all missing.
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