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debravity
April 30th, 2012
6:15 pm
Who said Hamels isn’t a damn good pitcher? You’re pretty good arguing against strawmen, nolie. Carry on.
nolie
April 30th, 2012
6:16 pm
ok, I’m outta here to have supper with visitors.. you can have the last word.
see y’all a bit later, yeah sorry debravity I will eventually be back with more alleged douche-baggery likely in tow
njbraves
April 30th, 2012
6:16 pm
Dear God, now we’re comparing Meds to Hamels??
Bat Masterson
April 30th, 2012
6:19 pm
The Flatbilled Kid may not stand tall on the mound but he’s a by god giant in the minds of some here.
nolie
April 30th, 2012
6:20 pm
damn I didn’t get away quick enuff.
you were complaining about his ERA and W-L totals and you originally refused to include him as one of Philly’s great pitchers. Talk like that usually indicate a less that stellar regard for a player so I’m not sure where you think I came up with a strawman
bye for good this time.
debravity
April 30th, 2012
6:26 pm
No, we were comparing the value of a good starter to a good middle reliever. If you buy nolie’s argument, the Phillies should be a better team by moving Hamels to the pen. Hamels was just an example, could’ve been any starter.
Med vs. Hamels comparison started as nolie arguing against his straw man. Nolie says Medlen will never have the “cool stats”. Wins and losses have not been relevant since 1965. I think the straw man won that argument.
Disgusted
April 30th, 2012
6:29 pm
“I liked Andrus, still do… but I miss Feliz and Harrison way way way more than I do Elvis”
Murph–Feliz and Harrison would benice, but the Braves have had the fortune or fortitude (depending on how U want to look at it) to keep the pirthing prospect train moving.
Andrus is a good ballplayer, his OPS is deceiving because he is never going to hit for power. If he gets in the .700’s of OPS, that is fine with the other stuff he does.
The Texiera deal was exciting at the time, JS did it for alot of the right reasons, but fooled himself in thinking he would be able to extend him.
The second Texiera deal is the one that bothered me, we would have been better off with draft picks than Casey Kotchman and Steve Marek. The picks could have amounted to something the way this system works most of the time.
debravity
April 30th, 2012
6:35 pm
Refused to include him as one of Phillie’s great pitchers? Where? When? I’m going with your argument that a great starter makes an even better middle reliever, and wins more games for his team in the process.
What was that you said about “incapable of understanding”?
Bravofan
April 30th, 2012
6:36 pm
Freaking idiot pirates fan joking around behind Jerome and Ron
Disgusted
April 30th, 2012
6:39 pm
“by relying on ERA and W-L record as descriptions of a good pitcher is just so 1965-ish. no wonder I thought you would be incapable of understanding his summation”
Nolie–Wins and losses are ERA will never go out of style, though I am a big believer in IP and WHIP in addition to it.
Hey, I will always say that either Hammels and Lee are excellent pitchers.
The W-L is not the same measure that it used to be, I do wish they could change the way of awarding wins to starters to match how the game is managed in this century.
I think that it was either Chernoff or Oliver that made the point today that in the complete games of 1979, a guy was throwing 9 throwing 110 or so pitches because the hitters back in the day did not work the count the way they are coached today. So today, they are prolly throwing the same amount of pitches in 6 to 7 that they threw in 9 then.
In essence, we will not see the CG’s we used to see, hence alot more no decisions for SP’s.
I do wish that they would not award a W to a reliever who comes in and gives up a lead. If the SP throws at least 7 and leaves with a 2-0 or 2-1 lead, and the pen ties it up but the team comes back and win in 9, the starter who threw the 7 should get the win.
Call it the 7 inning rule. What is the best way to reward a SP who throws most of the game with a W.
bravesgirlnc
April 30th, 2012
6:45 pm
Just catching up…
Murphy @ 2:29 has me in tears.
Thanks for the blog Carroll!
Tombklyn
April 30th, 2012
6:58 pm
Mantle game was at Ebetts Field before season started, exhibition game!
jim
April 30th, 2012
6:59 pm
Gattis to AA as primarily a LF makes a lot of sense. He was blocked for a promotion by Bethancourt who needed to get the most starts at C in AA. Given his age, he needs to find a faster route to a possible promotion to MLB than taking the time needed to develop as a C. Could be a valuable Sept. callup (or sooner) if he hits in AA anywhere close to his A+ numbers.
Simmons 4-4 with a BB yesterday brings his ave up to .321. If he keeps close to this pace for the first half of the season, might we see a release of Jack Wilson and letting the two rookies share time at SS?
Delgado is 2-2 so far, not 0-4. He had the control lapse leading to the GS in Arizona, but he gave up no runs and no hits in the other 5 innings. He has had 1 bad inning and one bad start so far. I don’t write it off as a sure loss everytime I see it’s his turn to pitch. The strategy of having Medlen in the bullpen has worked out well so far. There is no call for a rush to change it.
Lew
April 30th, 2012
6:59 pm
Medlen as a starter – 4.35 ERA, 103 Hits in 102 IP, 1.27 WHIP, 7.1 K/9
Medlen as a Reliever – 2.97 ERA, 80 hits in 88 IP, 1.21 WHIP, 8.2 K/9
Lew
April 30th, 2012
7:03 pm
Delgado as a MLB starter – 4.09 ERA, 52 H in 55 IP, 1.41 WHIP, 6.4 K/9
Bat Masterson
April 30th, 2012
7:08 pm
Medlen as a starter –
4.35 ERA, 103 Hits in 102 IP, 1.27 WHIP, 7.1 K/9Hater………
Mixxo
April 30th, 2012
7:10 pm
C’mon guys…..this is a ’statement’ game…..for another series W.
Lets GO!
Mixxo
April 30th, 2012
7:13 pm
Attaboy Ski !
ChrisfromSacramento,Ca
April 30th, 2012
7:14 pm
Hurtward is a bum!
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:15 pm
Chris awakens from another liquor/drug-induced slumber…
cabravesfan
April 30th, 2012
7:16 pm
I wonder if Chris has a saved list of comments that he can just copy and paste, or if he actually types the same thing over and over and over…
Braveone
April 30th, 2012
7:17 pm
From the previous blog which had 964 comments, JasonInFL led the way with 64 posts. There were 121 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
Rank Poster Frequency
1 JasonInFL 64
2 cabravesfan 39
3 Ralph 34
4 phil 33
5 richbrave 32
6 David O’Brien 29
7 Mitchell 29
8 Venice Jim 27
9 keylargo 26
10 brian 25
11 ChrisfromSacramento,Ca 24
12 VaBravesFan 24
13 katherine 23
14 nolie 22
15 CaptMudd 21
16 Jerry 20
17 Lew 19
18 Woody Woodward 18
19 ncscoots 18
20 ray k 16
21 TNScott 15
22 Brian from SC 14
23 Disgusted 14
24 MIBravesFan 14
25 Ward 14
BFChris27
April 30th, 2012
7:19 pm
Bourn!!!!!!!!!!!
Carroll Rogers
April 30th, 2012
7:20 pm
Leadoff single means Bourn has hit safely in 15 of his past 16 games
Brava
April 30th, 2012
7:20 pm
I hope the Braves can re-sign Bourn.
Bat Masterson
April 30th, 2012
7:20 pm
God …….. Make sure no one wakes Bourn up…….
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
7:21 pm
umpire is either blind or a pirates fan. way to argue fredi- pansy!!
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:21 pm
I’m actually becoming a teensy bit of a Whip follower.
So educate me, Bat or Lew.
Total walks and hits divided by 9?
Bravofan
April 30th, 2012
7:21 pm
Expletive
LAG
April 30th, 2012
7:22 pm
Bourn has been hosed so many times already this year on SBs.
JasonInFL
April 30th, 2012
7:22 pm
Bourn is no Jason Heyward when it comes to stealing bases. Dang it.
Bat Masterson
April 30th, 2012
7:22 pm
Umps must have it in for Bourn
JasonInFL
April 30th, 2012
7:22 pm
Was he safe again and called out??
cabravesfan
April 30th, 2012
7:22 pm
way to argue fredi- pansy!!
So now even when Fredi argues, he gets criticized? Sigh…
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
7:23 pm
freddie!!!!!
cabravesfan
April 30th, 2012
7:23 pm
FREDDIEEEEEEEEEEEE
BFChris27
April 30th, 2012
7:23 pm
FREEEEEEEMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bravofan
April 30th, 2012
7:23 pm
Freeman! And to think we could be up 3 to 0 dang ump
Brava
April 30th, 2012
7:23 pm
Freddie with da Bomb!!!!!!!!!
Smoove Criminal
April 30th, 2012
7:23 pm
I bet my life that FG doesn’t take 1 step out of the dugout if Bourn doesn’t raise hell with Kerwin Danley over the call.
Trey
April 30th, 2012
7:24 pm
Bourn was safe.
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:24 pm
Yes sir!
FF saves himself from the waiver wire…
That was killed!
That ump out at second is pathetic. So is Mac…
LAG
April 30th, 2012
7:24 pm
JasonInFL – Difference is Bourn has been legitimately thrown out MAYBE twice… and I think that’s overstating it.
Anyway, Freddie picked him up nicely.
Smoove Criminal
April 30th, 2012
7:24 pm
What a shot by Freeman
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
7:24 pm
fredi hardly even argues cab, this was another feable attempt. i miss bobby’s bantering antics
LAG
April 30th, 2012
7:24 pm
And yeah, Kerwin Danley blew the call.
Bravofan
April 30th, 2012
7:25 pm
Nice crowd tonight!!
Trey
April 30th, 2012
7:25 pm
The umpire must still be rattled from taking a ball to the mask the other night, for that call on Bourn.
Oh well, let bygones be bygones.
FREDDIE!!!!!!!!!!
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:25 pm
Bourn was clearly safe…
JasonInFL
April 30th, 2012
7:25 pm
Get hot again Freddie, get hot again!
Kat
April 30th, 2012
7:26 pm
This whole 2mins behind thing with MLB.tv is getting old fast. Knowing about the 2 run bomb from twitter and the blog makes it less exciting haha. I could always not read…
Disgusted
April 30th, 2012
7:26 pm
Umps need to be fired, they should treat umps and NBA officials like they do in Pro Wrestling.
And Pro Wrestling is real.
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:27 pm
Screaming at umps and being ejected constantly accomplishes what exactly?
Not much.
JasonInFL
April 30th, 2012
7:27 pm
LAG, I was joking bro. But, that is at least twice he has been called out where he has been clearly safe.
Disgusted
April 30th, 2012
7:28 pm
Fredi and Jason will be fine and both will get hot again at the same time.
We need Mc Cann to be himself again, its been a while.
Braves are great, they are not bums anymore.
TNDave
April 30th, 2012
7:28 pm
That shot by Freddie reminded me of Don Sutton’s call of a Ryan Klesko line dive homer … “It didn’t have a lot of altitude, or a lot of longitude, but it had a lot of quickatude!”
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:28 pm
I hate when they say the pitcher is ahead by such and such score…..
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:29 pm
So what does Minor do?
Begins to implode.
Tomahawk Mafia
April 30th, 2012
7:29 pm
Looks like the chances of a shut down inning are dissipating.
Disgusted
April 30th, 2012
7:29 pm
phil–Once in a while screaming at the scumps gets ur team fired up but its not long lasting.
We can live without scumps like Doug Eddings, Joe West and Wally Bell. I believe that Bill Hohn is gone, thank God. He was one of the worst.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
7:30 pm
here we go, get it together D!! hope the blown call by the ump doesn’t haunt us
Bat Masterson
April 30th, 2012
7:32 pm
phil_
Walks plus hits, divided by innings pitched, equals whip
richbrave
April 30th, 2012
7:33 pm
Jay Dubu
April 30th, 2012
5:06 pm
richbrave, that’s some very good info…thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 30th, 2012
7:33 pm
lets get a DP here!!
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:33 pm
Sure, disgusted.
In general, accomplishes zip but teach kids bad life lessons.
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:34 pm
What is wrong with Mac? Something seems to be. He can’t field the ball.
Tomahawk Mafia
April 30th, 2012
7:34 pm
Alright, good work by Minor to escape that trouble.
Brava
April 30th, 2012
7:34 pm
Nice DP!
Mixxo
April 30th, 2012
7:34 pm
Crisp D.
Liking that.
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:35 pm
Yes sir!
Mike unimplodes…i knew he would.
ChrisfromSacramento,Ca
April 30th, 2012
7:35 pm
Uggla didn’t bounce it into Freddies shin finally
Mixxo
April 30th, 2012
7:36 pm
‘What is wrong with Mac? Something seems to be. He can’t field the ball.’
He never can. One o’ those things we have to live with I ’spose.
brian
April 30th, 2012
7:36 pm
great job Minor. Huge DP
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:36 pm
Bat Masterson
April 30th, 2012
7:32 pm
phil_
Walks plus hits, divided by innings pitched, equals whip
*****
running totals based on hard numbers….thanks. It’s a logical stat.
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:38 pm
Send Chipper to Gwinnett…
Mixxo
April 30th, 2012
7:38 pm
Spoil it Ski!
Brava
April 30th, 2012
7:38 pm
WTG Hinske!!!
Bravofan
April 30th, 2012
7:38 pm
Awesome love it!!
Tomahawk Mafia
April 30th, 2012
7:38 pm
I love the bunt in that situation.
kevkat
April 30th, 2012
7:38 pm
I hope B Mac was watching that..
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:38 pm
And there’s why we want mac to bunt….
If he wasn’t so damn stubborn.
ChrisfromSacramento,Ca
April 30th, 2012
7:39 pm
Everyone is asking what’s wrong with McCann.
Here’s a clue he is pulling everything.
Take a clue from Ski,Brian. Bunt!!!!
BFChris27
April 30th, 2012
7:39 pm
Good Double Play to get out of last inning.
Ski!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trey
April 30th, 2012
7:39 pm
Wow, this is the first time I have gotten lightheaded and felt weak after donating anything.
cabravesfan
April 30th, 2012
7:39 pm
Mac has bunted against the shift in the past. But Mac is not paid to bunt every time he’s up there…
LAG
April 30th, 2012
7:39 pm
JasonInFL – LAG, I was joking bro. But, that is at least twice he has been called out where he has been clearly safe.
My bad, lol. My joke detector’s broken today.
Bravofan
April 30th, 2012
7:39 pm
Atta baby and Hinskie was chugging ha
BFChris27
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
Rev!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mixxo
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
The Rev is HOT!
brian
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
love that swing by Pastornicky.
cabravesfan
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
Yeah, Chris. Like the ball Mac “pulled” in his first at bat tonight, right?
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
Avy Hinske rumbles to third….
Nice job of hitting, kid.
Brava
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
Pastor is starting to hit well. Good to see.
njbraves
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
Very impressed with Tyler at the plate lately.
phil
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
Avy? Heavy…
LAG
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
cabravesfan – Mac has bunted against the shift in the past. But Mac is not paid to bunt every time he’s up there…
Your fellow statesman doesn’t get that.
iTiSi
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
Pastor Tylernicky is definitely a much better offensive SS than defensive, just the opposite of what I thought he would be at the start of the season.
Trey
April 30th, 2012
7:40 pm
PASTERNICKY!!!
Smoove Criminal
April 30th, 2012
7:41 pm
Pastornicky is on fire right now. Just comes up with hit after hit. All the Andrelton Simmons lovers are puking right now watching his success.
Trey
April 30th, 2012
7:42 pm
Great, misspell a guy’s name and be the top post of the new page.