1:01 am April 24, 2012, by David O'Brien
April 24th, 20121:02 am
April 24th, 20121:15 am
miss me yet
April 24th, 20121:17 am
he is pathetic.. he is killing us right now.. send him down and let him learn how to pitch again.. should have trade him when we had the chance. now he is worthless as a pitcher and trade bait. and what happened to all that scoring they were doing? I knew it wouldn’t last.. same old Braves. they play well and give us hope then they realize they aren’t that good and come back to Earth playing like it.. another lost year.. what else is new.
April 24th, 20121:22 am
Hey farmer, who peed in your corn flakes?
not have to look that Jurrjens is copying felix hernandez / Look at / the only difference felix hernandez if tremendous pitcher. you have to do is remove from the rotation to Jurrjens and put Medlen in place ..
April 24th, 20121:26 am
Funny how people think it was just the injury. He was insanely lucky the first half of the year too. But when you have writers who can’t look beyond ERA you get so much “surprise”.
April 24th, 20121:36 am
Delgado v. Jurrjens Debate… please chime in and share your thoughts!
April 24th, 20121:37 am
excuses, excuses, excuses. Fredi says JJ pitched good just gave up a lot of bloop hits, nothing hit hard. HAHA this is going to get ugly if he keeps trotting JJ out there. I thought we traded DLowe?
April 24th, 20121:39 am
Exactly- gibson. I’m disappointed too but IT’S ONE GAME…no big deal people. Just can’t let this little two game skid turn into a 4 or 5 game streak. JJ isn’t pitching well but that can be taken care of relatively easily- send him to the pen or to Gwinnett. Did farmer expect us to hit .400 as a team this year? What about .350? Not gonna happen- never was
How about Neither Jurrjens or Delgado (Julio Teheran is who im talking about) but if forced to pick im going with Delgado
April 24th, 20121:53 am
JJ needs to pitch every 5 days but he needs to do it at Gwinette until he can get his leg strength built back up to where he can pitch the way he did before he got hurt. No need to take the braves down every 5 games. When he is back to where he was then bring him back.
April 24th, 20121:54 am
DOB and Mark Bowman via Twitter: Jurrjens optioned to Gwinnett. No corresponding move announced just yet… stay tuned.
April 24th, 20122:02 am
April 24th, 2012
DOB and Mark Bowman via Twitter: Jurrjens optioned to Gwinnett. No corresponding move announced just yet… stay tuned.
If this is true then i’ll bet Wren had seen enough and made that decision, Fruti didn’t give that indication in his post game interview.
April 24th, 20122:12 am
This is a Wren decision all the way. And thank god we have some one running things that can see the obvious. I hope Teheran get the chance, but we have some guys down on the farm that could come up to a Bullpen role if we move Medlen up to the rotation. Buddy Carlyle, Yohan Flande, Todd Redmond, And even more than that. Now what could be done as well is to bring up another offensive player for a week and send him back down when Hudson gets ready next week if we decide to keep Delgado up here.
Dear CFG, START MEDLEN
April 24th, 20122:13 am
When will Fredi realize that one of his best starting pitchers isn’t even starting…? Medlen should have started the season in the rotation and should finish the season in the rotation.
He’s every bit as dominant as Beachy and Minor, and more polished than Delgado. And, I’d be willing to put up my money that he would be more effective than Hanson.
Having been a pitcher, I feel confident in saying that it’s only a matter of time before Fredi and Wren realize that we need Medlen starting instead of bridging the gap between the starters and closers.
April 24th, 20122:15 am
Don’t be surprised if Huddy isn’t recalled as the corresponding move, I think he is with the team in LA.
April 24th, 20122:24 am
@ Ralph I think thatcould happen but I think it will be up to Huddy his next start in Gwinett is tomorrow. Now does Huddy want more time to get back or does he feel like he is ready to go. I kind of think he will just wait until next week because he wants to stick to his schedule and not throw off the rotation because I dont think Fredi will bump down his rotation to let Huddy in for a game he might not be able to go past 6 because he hasnt built his stamina back yet. But it will be interesting. IMO by having, Hudson, Medlen, Teheran or Delgado to take Jurrjens next start the Braves have become a whole lot better. Now if we can get a true SS we will be the team to beat in the NL IMO.
April 24th, 20122:27 am
Gee, it’s almost like I know what I’m talking about….
Where are all the haters who said I was nuts for saying JJ would be optioned to AAA?
April 24th, 20122:28 am
I’m on board with all that.
April 24th, 20122:29 am
Does anyone know what is wrong with EOF? Hasn’t pitched in over a week. I would assume he would have had the eighth inning tonight just to get some work if for no other reason.
April 24th, 20122:31 am
Good call Nick, many of us were saying they should send him down but didn’t think Wren had the balls to do it, I think DOB may have helped out with some of his comments tonight.
No idea jim, but last year, he battled some lower back problems…I think Fredi is actually being smart and just not using him unless we have the lead….trying not to give him 80+ appearances this year…
April 24th, 20122:33 am
By haters do you mean the same people that bashed me as well. I said AAA or DL for JJ.
But even DOB pointed it out “Jurrjens has a 9.37 ERA in four starts this season and has been knocked around for 30 his and 17 runs in 16-1/3 innings, with more walks (10) than strikeouts (eight). In 11 starts since the All-Star break, Jurrjens is 1-5 with a 6.87 ERA. Now he’s gone from National League All-Star to Triple-A in under 10 months.He’s allowed 44 earned runs and 79 hits in 57-2/3 innings over that stretch, and lasted five innings or fewer in six starts including all four this season.”
These are the facts Ive been throwiing out since the offseason and when we had that Adam Jones deal out there I got bashed for wanting him traded but now we would take a bag og bat and balls for Jurrjens at this moment.
True Nick, things are working out real good for the bullpen right now.
April 24th, 20122:36 am
Correct J-Man, I remember us getting attacked on the blogs over the past week…lol
@Ralph, I think they’ll be in good shape if Beachy, Minor and Hanson (to a degree, he’s been spotty) can keep up the good work, along with Huddy coming back…should see lots of games with the starter pitching into the 7th or 8th. Also glad to see we haven’t been in 30 extra inning games already, like it seemed we were last year.
April 24th, 20122:37 am
J-Man, the Adam Jones deal was Prado, Hanson and a prospect for A. Jones….not JJ.
April 24th, 20122:40 am
It seemed Fredi packed it in early tonight. I wish he had hit for JJ in the 3rd inning after Heyward stole third and Wilson struck out — Hell bunt Wilson there and hit for JJ. It was all too obvious that he was leaving it up to Bourn getting a hit and not giving 2 chances to get at least 1 run home with an out.
Not only don’t we score, but it was obvious that JJ had a lot more runs left in him. He ends up batting, then getting nobody out in the bottom half of the inning and having to go to the pen anyway.
Leaving in Livan to pitch the 8th after we got within three runs was also just playing out the swtring.
April 24th, 20122:44 am
Found another string where it seems B-more wanted TWO prospects if it was Prado and JJ….from the pool of Minor/Delgado/Teheran/Vizcaino….no way.
April 24th, 20122:46 am
If EOF is having back issues, then it is even more imperative to keep Medlen in the pen. The pen is strong at the back, but thin. Martinez, Livan, and Durbin are not reliable late inning men, and with EOF apparently having a problem, that only leaves Medlen, Venters, and Kimbrel.
April 24th, 20122:48 am
Easy there JNick, its not too hard to see that a 10 ERA isn’t going to last long in the majors. But I am glad to see that it was done, it was very necessary. I know this won’t be well received, but I would like to see Flande recalled over the wunder boy Julio. Honestly, from what I’ve seen from JT over the past year or two, I really have never seen why he is the number 1 or 2 rated RHP prospect. Bring someone up who is hot right now!!
April 24th, 20122:54 am
A lot of good pitchers take a year or two to settle in — Maddux, Glavine, Avery all struggled when they first arrived. Teheran is only 21, give him a chance to get his feet wet.
April 24th, 20123:05 am
Avery did not struggle when he first arrived. He was awesome right away, then burned out early.
Fredi Will Screw It Up Somehow
April 24th, 20123:10 am
Can Of Corn
April 24th, 20123:11 am
NOT A DECISION MAKER
It sounds very much like Frank isn’t including Fredi in the decision making loop.
This gives more than a little insight on how much Frank values Fredi’s opinions.
April 24th, 20123:20 am
Mark Bowman said on Twitter that it had already been decided Jurrjens was going to AAA if he had another bad start. Fredi knew he was going. He was just protecting his guy and not telling the media until they told him personally.
April 24th, 20123:23 am
“Avery did not struggle when he first arrived. He was awesome right away, then burned out early.”
Wrong. Avery at age 20 made 20 starts (21 appearances), went 3-11 and allowed 62 ER in 99 IP (5.64 ERA).
In 1991 he went 18-8 with a 3.38 ERA and dominated in the playoffs.
But don’t let those silly facts get in your way.
April 24th, 20124:28 am
Avery had a 99 inning taste. Greg Maddux took a 180 inning taste. Tom Glavine took 240 innings.
Avery was very solid for next 3 years then fell off a cliff.
Overseas Braves Fan
April 24th, 20124:41 am
JJ needs some rest, conditioning or whatever in minor. It will be good for him, for the team too.
Bob the Blogger
April 24th, 20124:49 am
I think Medlen will get JJ’s spot in the rotation, and rightfully so. Medlen’s spot as a reliever can be filled by whoever is hot at Gwinnett. Gearrin has not allowed a run in 12+ innings with 15 strikeouts and only 2 walks. Carlyle and Flande have not allowed runs yet this season as well. Hudson comes back, Medlen’s in the rotation, and the Braves have their best five starters pitching.
April 24th, 20124:50 am
I don’t care what Jair says you have to believe the knee is not right or he has changed his delivery because of the injury last year. You don’t go from being that good to being this bad unless something is wrong with you. If it’s not the knee then it’s in the head and that might be worse.
Younger Than That Now
April 24th, 20125:18 am
JJ’s spot in the rotation will be taken by Tim Hudson. With Minor and Beachy going Tuesday and Wednesday and the off day on Thursday, then you’ve got Hanson and Delgado going Friday and Saturday. Hudson will be activated and pitch Sunday on regular rest. Those long bullpen guys… Medlin, Martinez and Livan… will be ready to relieve Hudson on Sunday if his game gets shortened up for any reason.
Now, there’s a bullpen spot that’s gonna be open before long. I don’t believe the Braves are gonna be willing to live with Durbin and his ineffectiveness a lot longer… at least I hope they’re not. I haven’t talked to many fans who are willing to put much money on him… including me. Livan did a good job tonight… well, considering that a 7-6-2-3 double play kept him from giving up any runs until he ran out of gas. He doesn’t dazzle you with blazing fastballs… but the name of the game is to keep the opposition off the scoreboard… and tonight at least, he did that.
This team’s going to be fine… just some spots to work on like every other team in MLB. I’d rather be the Atlanta Braves than the Boston Red Sox right now… and that’s for sure!
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April 24th, 20126:07 am
The demotion of the Braves as an organization came when Frank Wren was promoted to GM. How many championships has he won as GM? That’s the main problem right now.
April 24th, 20126:09 am
the good thing is they did not wait until he lost 10 games he just does not have it anymore
April 24th, 20126:17 am
Good, he is lucky to even still be on the team imo. Can’t beat a very good team like the Dodgers with a bum like Jurrjens on the mound throwing some little league bp. Well, they beat the not so good teams to go on a nice streak, its not looking very good against a solid team.
April 24th, 20126:42 am
I remember as a kid watching games announced by the Great Dizzy Dean. He said (as I recall) that his arm problems started after being hit on the foot by a ball and not letting it heal properly. JJ’s problems probably started with the knee injury. JJ strenghten your legs, (knee). You are probably compensating extra hard on the good knee. Get healthy JJ, you can return to form. (If you get the legs right.)
April 24th, 20126:43 am
What’s the problem? Bradley said the man “pitches to contact”, didn’t he?
April 24th, 20126:54 am
I didn’t think they would option JJ to AAA but I was wrong. I hope he can regain his form so we can get a reasonably good player in a trade later this year. There is logjam developing at SP, a good thing, and they can’t keep Teheran @ AAA past this year. I agree with the start Medlen comments. A SP has much more worth than a long reliever and he’s earned it. So J-Man and JNick, I guessed wrong about the JJ demotion but I’m glad they did it before he had another bad outing.
April 24th, 20127:00 am
Disappointing but smart move. Huddy’s coming back. Delgado’s looking good. So send him down and let him work on some stuff. It’s the smart move.
April 24th, 20127:07 am
Give Chris Medlen a shot @ starting
April 24th, 20127:12 am
Dear Younger than that Now,
Idiots only come in small packages and have all had small other parts too.
Durbin is holding his own. You are just one of the hang on fans, who remember the Maddox days. Get over it. The team is different and Vet players are the ones who will work through the problems that are just beginning to see. Durbin has gotten through a few innings lately and I can guarantee you set the bench as a kid and your momma called in to the coach to be told he keeps peeing out it right field. Sorry but I am tired of the fans who keep crying. Braves will get there and there will be a ton of changes in the team. Durbin is hanging on. If he gives it up again, yes he can go. But for now he is pulling his weight.
April 24th, 20127:20 am
Come on people, where do some of the comments come from ? What is Freddi supposed to say? You just don’t verbally abuse a player in the media, people listen other teams listen. They did the right thing say something positive and send him down to work on his game. Big swing out West, lets get behind the Bravos !
April 24th, 20127:28 am
And where are the guys this morning that throughout all preseason and even through yesterday still were crying “but JJ is our best pitcher and he’s just going through a tough time?” And who was the guy that said BEFORE spring training that JJ wasn’t even one of our top 5 starting candidates?
As for the game last night there’s more blame to go around:
First, the weakest mind in baseball doesn’t have Chipper to play against the hottest team in the NL and so he starts not one, not two, but three backups (Ross, Wilson and Diaz) thus having only 5 starters in a lineup paired with the worst starting pitcher (Jurrjens) in baseball? Hello!
Second, Prado not advancing Bourne after the leadoff walk in the first inning and looking pathetic in doing so. This would cost them an early lead ultimately as they would load the bases afterward. On that note…has Prado EVER seen a first pitch strike that he has EVER not taken for strike one?
Third, Heyward later that same first inning, flailing wildly and striking out on ball four with the bases loaded. That’s now two golden opportunities in the first inning.
Fourth, Uggla…at cleanup does no brains put this undisciplined hacker in the lineup?
It is easy to manage a simple baseball game when either or both your offense is hitting on all cylinders or your pitchers are pitching shutout ball….it is games like last night’s where your opponent is playing well too that your manager can make a difference.
So I ask, does our manager truly ever make a positive difference or does he mostly interfere in close or winnable games? I think you know my answer…..
April 24th, 20127:31 am
FARMER YOU ARE AN IDIOT
April 24th, 20127:46 am
Here’s what I want to know – where are all you people who were so upset because Jurrjens was mentioned in possible trades over the winter? This would have been similar to the Vasquez situation a few years ago. He had an all-star year and then was traded. Lots of folks on these blogs were upset that Atlanta would do such a thing, then Vasquez bombed in New York and it looked a bit smarter. Maybe Jurrjens in somebody’s else’s uniform (preferably American League) would’be been better than seeing him in a Braves uniform for 30 hits and 17 runs and now a Gwinnett Braves uniform until he can get it back together. The feeling here is that they’re already working the trade route.
April 24th, 20127:50 am
And I failed to mention Jack Wilson…why is this no hitting hack starting for a supposed contender?
Someone please tell this “manager” to put his young SS in the starting lineup and keep him there. If you want to occasionally double switch in the late innings for Wilson’s supposed superior glove work fine, but stop starting this backup so often.
What seriously contending team’s manager would start a veteran average fielding shortstop with a weak bat so often over a young, starting shortstop with equal defensive skills and a better bat? How is this kid ever going to develop more fielding confidence and learn to hit ML pitching on the bench? Either play the kid or go get another shortstop!
What is wrong with this man?
Best thing for the Braves and the best thing for JJ, if he is unable to fix it in the minors his career may be over, hopefully it gives him a chance to return to being a winning pitcher.
April 24th, 20127:52 am
Wonder what JJ’s trade value is right now?
April 24th, 20127:54 am
Based on what you’ve seen of Jurrjens since last August, if you were a GM of any other team what would you offer to acquire him?
I agree with you, but the reality is Jurrjens has been allowed to pitch himself down to zero value unless we find another team with a manager as dumb as our own who convinces his GM that Jurrjens could improve his rotation.
There is no such manager!
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April 24th, 20127:57 am
should have trade him when we had the chance—farmer
It’s amazing brilliant people like this guy don’t have jobs in baseball!!! He didn’t have very much value after the bad 2nd half combined with his history of injuries. It’s likely his potential to get himself back on track was more valuable than what we could’ve got in a trade.
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A good move to send JJ down. His confidence is shot. He is throwing straight fastballs and hitters are teeing off on them. I must say I am quite surprised he was optioned to AAA, but it was the right move. Delgado is an up and coming ML starter and deserves to stay in the rotation.
Hope JJ puts it together again in a place that won’t cost us losses.
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Farmer: I use this silly blog name, but you live it.
April 24th, 20128:04 am
I had a feeling this would happen a week ago but like many, I didn’t think that Wren would actually go through with it.
Im a huge JJ fan, but I agree he needs to get his confidence back in AAA. I am not going to come on here and bash him like all you people, I am just going to wish him well and hope he gets his game back.
April 24th, 20128:07 am
We lose on the road to vs the hottest teams in baseball with the Derrick Lowe of 2012 on the mound throwing batting practice and this blog blames the manager’s lineup which you will see against L/Hers the rest of the season. Vasquez was about 10 years older then JJ is right now which may have something to do with the decision to trade him. I’ll take 10-7 with Minor/Beachy set to go.
April 24th, 20128:15 am
the reality is Jurrjens has been allowed to pitch himself down to zero value
I’m not sure I understand your logic… So if a player is pitching bad you should stop pitching him until your able to trade him?? It’s not like simply going to AAA was going to help him look better in front of scouts. They gave him some shots this year to get himself back to pitching like he is or was capable of and it didn’t work. At least they didn’t let it continue over and over for the rest of the year like they did in the past with D. Lowe!!
April 24th, 20128:17 am
Many teams called Wren’s bluff when using Jurrjens as trade bait, didn’t offer us a substantial take – like a Mat Latos or Gio Gonzalez-size deal – and Jurrjens stayed in ATL. Hoping he’d rebound this season, Wren argued that they didn’t receive a sufficient offer on him, but what about now, Wren? Did any of those offers look good now knowing that Jurrjens truly is? He was LUCKY per his BABIP and though he can pitch better, everything that scouts have been saying about his mediocre stuff is coming true. He doesn’t deserve an extension due to his health issues and prolonged inconsistencies and we can’t offer him a contract large enough to try and get draft pick compensation if he turns it down, choosing free agency, because he might take it. Wren gambled and has lost on this one. Jurrjens has very little trade value right now and it’ll take a lot to get any value back, especially by the Trade Deadline in July.
April 24th, 20128:18 am
And to be clear here, I’m not at all happy to see this happening to Jurrjens. The guy is a class act, a good person, and a great teammate that has simply lost his good fastball. If you have a heart and compassion for your fellow man this is painful to watch…no one should enjoy watching a really good person’s career melt before their eyes in such a painful and excruciating manner.
No, just like I blame not the child but the parents of a spoiled brat, I blame this Manager and GM for not accepting what was so obvious for so long and send this man back to AAA before his confidence was further destroyed this season to find a new way to pitch w/o his good fastball…JJ will have to reinvent himself if.
I wrote here yesterday that JJ, facing the Dodgers lineup of good, disciplined hitters, was being sent to the lion’s den and bet he wouldn’t get past the 5th inning…why didn’t his manager realize this BEFORE flying him to LA? JJ’s probably just now landing in Atlanta after a dismal, all night flight and this is poor personnel management and even poorer psychological handling of a player’s self-confidence!
And isn’t it odd and telling based on the manager’s quotes above there’s either a disconnect between he and Wren or he’s just totally oblivious? For sure there’s a lack of respect there as Gonzalez apparently was excluded from or not allowed significant input into personnel decisions…I could understand why!
April 24th, 20128:23 am
Thank God! Wren finally pulled the trigger on this one. J.J. has had minimal value as a starting pitcher, but those two in the dugout (mgr. & pitching coach) continued to see value. Get rid of the two and get on with winning.
Wren now needs to unload J.J. before any and all value has evaporated. I don’t know why management looks at sporatic success and tries to ride it too long.
April 24th, 20128:27 am
It’s his knee.
April 24th, 20128:29 am
It’s too bad Franki didn’t take what was offered for JJ this winter (although I don’t know what possible offers were made.) At this point, JJ is finished as a major league ball player. His fastball velocity is high 80’s, and flat with no movement. He has zero command with any of his pitches. He’s pissed away a lot of time, without getting his knee fixed initially, as it should have been. His career is over. I’m just glad Franki and Fred are sending him to AAA. It appears he (JJ) may go they way of KK at AA last year.
Kris Medlin needs to be in the rotation. Period. Why the powers that be can’t see that is amazing. I’m guessing it’s an ego thing with Franki.
Lousy bats… the old Braves are back…definitely the Dan Uggla of April 2011 is still with us. He has absolutely no ability to make adjustments Pretty sad.
Boy, Farmer gives up fast, doesn’t he? 1) Braves DID try to trade him, but couldn’t get any takers. Can’t trade for absolutely nothing. 2) Yes, JJ is looking rough. We can all hope he will get turned around at AAA very quickly and return to clock some wins for us, and 3) it’s 2 losses, for cryin’ out loud. would I rather they were wins? Sure, but, come on. 2 losses is hardly “it’s all over. Another wasted season” time. No team has ever won all o the games in their season in baseball, so maybe you should start following some other sport that has the possibility of being undefeated instead.
I know nothing...
April 24th, 20128:31 am
$5.5 million for Jurrjens…not quite as bad as paying $10.0 million for a pitcher who is playing for someone else (Lowe…). Have blown it with the money on these two arms. Medlen @ $490K and
Delgado @ $480K look pretty good about now!
April 24th, 20128:32 am
I guess Uggla’s home run last night wasn’t enough? Yeah, he’s not doing what I would hope either, but he’s not completely flailing like last year at least.
April 24th, 20128:33 am
Let me dumb it down for you…
JJ was still awful in spring training and his fastball was topping out in the 87-89 range then. He pitched well only against a split squad, already weak Houston team and this was his only shining moment since last August. In short, he has been getting drilled otherwise!
By allowing him to start the season knowing the above, the Braves have now further exposed him to all of baseball….worse; it is running across the info bar on every sports channel that he was DEMOTED to AAA after only three weeks.
Had they just accepted he needed additional work and just started him off at Gwinnett they could have allowed him to possibly reestablish himself under the guise of getting some rehab starts coming off a knee injury–just like Hudson has been doing. Thus by not doing this, there he is for the entire world to see that he has been demoted…and therefore devaluing him even further.
If he isn’t improving he remains at Gwinnett; if he does improve, there’s a chance he’s more valuable. Either way he should have been instructed to learn a new way to get hitters out because his now pedestrian, always flat fastball doesn’t work any longer.
Get it now?
April 24th, 20128:34 am
April 24th, 2012
“It’s his knee.”
No it isn’t…it’s his fastball, or lack thereof!
April 24th, 20128:35 am
Good move. He was killing us. If only the dumbass “management” had the brains to make the same move with Derek Lowe last September, we would have made the playoffs and the Cards would not have even been in. Any fool could see that Lowe had nothing and Gonzalez kept putting him out there. I well remember how Leo Mazzone would get on 680 and be a house shill, talking about how you have to go with experience, etc. etc. etc. Meanwhile, we get our asses handed to us every time he goes out, over and over and over. Maybe, just maybe, Braves “management” learned something from that debaucle.
Juergens will be back when he gets it right and help the team. Until then, he needs to be in the minors where he cannot damage our chances.
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April 24th, 20128:40 am
As I have said more than once this year, Jurrgens has nothing left, and it is not an injury. We are not likely ever to see him back in the majors unless some desperate team signs him next year as a “mop-up” pitcher.
Wonder how the memories of Lowe’s bad trips to the mound last year influenced Wren’s quick decision? I think it is a good decision for Braves and JJ and will be helpful to both in the future. Okay, I don’t usually try to play coach, but one pesky question, Why did we not pinch hit for JJ in his last at bat? We were behind, there were runners on, JJ ineffective and Lavan was already warmed up.
First it was KK, now it’s JJ, do we evenhave an II
April 24th, 20128:43 am
Did any reporter ask the Frediot why, with six fresh arms in the bullpen, he kept Livan “BP” Hernandez in the game after the loaded the bases in the 8th, and the Braves were just 3 runs down?
JJ and KK. What’s the difference? We’ve got arms making arms around this joint. One would think a Major League manager could somehow see the difference and stop sending him out there! Doesn’t matter if it is physical, mental, or extra-terrestrial. It doesn’t matter. Pitch the guys who are healthy and confident and quit running the team like a Little League team who somebody’s Mommy is going to get mad because Little Johnny SUCKS. Come on, now. Fans only ask one thing. Act like you are trying to WIN. Leave the back door shenanigans and butt kissing politics out of it — and play ball.
But swapping Medlen for Delgado in the rotation looks good right about now, with Hudson coming back on either the 29th or the 30th!
Starters, going forward…should look something like this!
May Fredi start managing this team like he did the Marlins in 2008? (Sporting News Manager of the Year)
NOOOOOO, The G-Braves are in first place…With at least one of our Braves teams doing well, send him to another farm team…….
April 24th, 20128:44 am
If you’re going to send him down to AAA, don’t do to him what was done to Jeff Francoeur—-only send him down for 3 days.
I don’t like this decision. The bullpen would be a better option.
The GM is panicking. Relax, it’s a long season. It’s only April.
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April 24th, 20128:45 am
good move. no downside to this move. will only cost the team a plane ticket from LA to ATL. let him go down and rest and focus on his mechanics and trying to pitch well. the NL East race is tight this year (i.e. see last year’s inability to make the wild card by one lousy game).
delgado or medlen would get my vote to start.
April 24th, 20128:46 am
If you think MLB teams rate players value from the info they get from ESPN you are a complete and total moron!!! It didn’t matter when he was put down all of baseball would’ve known about it. He’s struggled to hit locations and that would’ve been the case even in AAA. Sure the argument could be made that he should’ve started in AAA, but that wouldn’t make him any more or less valuable than he is right now. The Braves gave him a shot and I think the way they handled JJ was much better than the way they handled Lowe last year when they continued to throw him over and over again!!
April 24th, 20128:47 am
JJ has been a great addition to the Braves pitching staff. Too bad he is having trouble now. Listening to the commentary it sounds like location is his problem. That tells me that his problem is mechanics which can be fixed.
If it is mental, perhaps getting the chance to flourish or fail without such pressure will allow him to regain his confidence.
Good luck JJ and come back soon.
April 24th, 20128:49 am
His pitches have no movement on them or if they do move they move right back into the hitting zone. Wondering if he developed a bad habit to compensate for the knee issue last season and is paying the price. Yes I know his velocity is down but that could be associated with the work around as well. I hope he gets his form back!
Farmers are idiots. Especially that first one.
April 24th, 20128:52 am
This was one of two moves that needed to be made. Either a stint on DL or stint in minors. JJ insists that he is healthy so it was the minors. Wren did not have that option last year with Lowe. It was either release him out right and pay him $30 mil for two years while he vacationed in Fla. or try to get something out of him(should have been as a reliever though).
JJ had a great first half last year after Lowe and McDowell taught him how to use a sinker with his 90+ fastball and change up. Now 95% of his fastballs top out at 88mph. His sinker and change up average 82-83mph. That’s just not a big enough gap where the hitters have to gear up for the fastball and swing over the change up or sinker. That means with a 88mph fastball with little or no movement the hitters can just sit on the change up and have enough time to tee off on a fastball. If that velocity on his fastball is permanent, then either he has to become a spot pitcher like Glavine or a junk pitcher like Livan or his major league baseball career is over.
April 24th, 20128:54 am
Do the Braves still have a shrink on-staff? Think they either need a new one or get one to help the pitchers with their head issues.
April 24th, 20128:55 am
Livan Hernandez has been a terrific acquisition. He gets the grunt work of grinding out innings in blowout losses and blowout wins. Saves the young arms for tight games. Seems like the grizzled vet is a team player. What’s the perspective on him in the Braves Clubhouse?
Love it when Livan uncorks that 60 mph curveball. Looks almost like a mountain-ball pitch. RH hitters buckle both knees sometimes waiting on that thing. LOL.
April 24th, 20128:59 am
BTW – To all the haters and know-it-alls.
Frank Wren’s decision to keep all the pitching prospects is paying off. JJ is struggling, so option him, keep Delgado, Minor, Beachy in the bigs (with Hanson and Huddy). Still have Teheran developing and Livan Hernandez is good for spot starts in emergencies.
New hitting coaches seem to be working out. Let’s play some ball and see how it goes the next few weeks.
April 24th, 20129:02 am
JJ hasn’t forgotten how to pitch, but his head is probably messed up with all the money he expects Boras to get for him as a FA this Fall. He’s also probably thinking about the trade bait he becomes in about three months. He needs to get his head screwed on straight and help the Braves and himself before they both end up losers in the deal.
April 24th, 20129:08 am
Wow! The Braves FO is suddenly not screwing around. Nice move. Hope JJ works it out.
April 24th, 20129:10 am
The most telling came from JJ himself when Ross was walking with him back to the mound last night after giving up a big hit and the center field camera caught him saying to Ross “I don’t know”. I don’t know what the question was but right on tv he summed it all up…he really doesn’t know what or how things are going wrong. I stand and applaud Wren for making this move. If Cox were here he would have run JJ out there for 20 starts and he would have buried us. Now if we can get a professional pitching coach like we’ve gotten hitting coaches life would be looking even brighter. I think Medlan gives us a better chance to win but I also know that Delgado would be buried in the bullpen and that wouldn’t make him any better. If this sampling is indicative of the season we need to get an everyday third baseman and use Chipper as a dh. Way too much playing with the lineup everyday.
April 24th, 20129:11 am
Why is it that there are so many haters on these sites. Every player, every player deserves to be there or he would not. Yes there might be some minor league players that are hopeful up and coming personnel. However there is a reason you do not bring up these players yet.
You haters also need to realize every one of these players is the best, the best in their field, in their situation and on the team they have been able to land with. These players also have the knowledge and are aware of the errors or areas needing improvement. So cut everyone of these guys some slack. Instead of complaining how about saying how lucky we are to have a great beginning to the season. I have been around a while and find most of the haters, probably sat on the bench, or never even played. It is the armchair quarterback syndrome. Sick of it!
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