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Jimmy
April 24th, 2012
12:35 pm
We have three days off between now and June 1st.
Thursday, May 10 and May31st.
That includes a 9 game road trip, a 7 game road trip, sandwiched around a four game homestand.
Duke
April 24th, 2012
12:35 pm
cabravesfan,
You’re right. The numbers have been good for him in AAA. I was wrong on that. I was going off Spring Training.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
Duke-
If I recall, Gearrin pitched well at the start of Spring, and then sort of fell off in the last week or so, which cost him a spot in the big league pen. But he has been all but flawless in the minors…
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
12:39 pm
“Fists of Furry”
sounds like an Ewok on a rampage.
Jimmy
April 24th, 2012
12:39 pm
Just saw on Twitter that Ward had been sent to AA to work on his late night post. He hasn’t been real effective as of late.
Best of luck to Ward.
George
April 24th, 2012
12:39 pm
Like I said, I am not throwing him under the bus, but you kinda have to wonder if he is done. The knee does not seem to be showing any improvement, it was kind of hard to watch him trying to get to 1st base the other day.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
12:41 pm
George-
the knee will improve- it takes time…and again, he’s not going anywhere, so why dwell?
brian
April 24th, 2012
12:42 pm
Chipper may need to be on the DL until the August and then see if he can hold out for a few months. He is playing 50% or less games now. May as well try to let him get strong and healthy then see if he can have one more surge in him with stretch run
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
12:42 pm
George … McCann came back too soon from his oblique injury last year and struggled a bit.
Chipper came back from knee surgery sooner than was projected. He’s going to have some issues until the knee is back to what will pass for normal for Chipper.
Why not wait a few weeks before pronouncing the guy’s career over?
Sopheee
April 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
Hmm, should’ve started a Shut Up Frenchy club back then.
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
And the reason for the comparison to McCann … should McCann have retired because he struggled with a partially healed oblique?
DAP - Lefties Unite!!!
April 24th, 2012
12:46 pm
this from a phillies blog:
there are no formal timetables for either player and both are undergoing complex rehab processes.
aka, they still have no idea when either player will be able to return. they are in a really bad spot,and cliff lee is on the DL too.
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
12:48 pm
Bury the Phillies deep. Give them no hope at coming back in 2012.
I’m talking stake through the heart, holy wafers in the mouth, cut off the head, and consecrate the ground deep.
Owl Hunter
April 24th, 2012
12:48 pm
Serious overreactions to Chipper. It sounds like some folks want him released or send him to the DL all year. That is ridiculous. He’s not going to play 150 games, but we are better with him than without.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
April 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
abwright should McCann have retired because he struggled with a partially healed oblique?
Yes. The guy’s a total looser, and besides, Ross could be a starter for 38 other clubs…
George
April 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
It would be great if CHIPPER would hit a game winning HR on one leg to win a big game like Gibson did , but most times that only happens in books and movies.
Snotboogie
April 24th, 2012
12:51 pm
and cliff lee is on the DL too.
He went down with an oblique injury didnt he? I doubt he comes back quickly from that one – a month at least. They might have a big deficit in the NL east by June, I hope.
Owl Hunter
April 24th, 2012
12:51 pm
I think some folks need to have a better understanding of how the DL works. You can’t just put someone on it because they aren’t playing well.
Fols
April 24th, 2012
12:51 pm
I don’t think anywone wants Chipper off this team……but at half the ball games it’s obviously going to lead to inconsistancy. That’s just part of having a 40 year old hall of famer (that can still play when he’s in there).
It is what it is. I love that saying. He’s Chip, he’s great, he’s also going to miss a ton of games and it’ll hurt our chances.
Jimmy
April 24th, 2012
12:53 pm
“They might have a big deficit in the NL east by June, I hope.”
The Nats are doing their part.
Powder Blue
April 24th, 2012
12:54 pm
Glad the Braves had the nerve to do what had to be done with JJ. Anyone who watching his performance last night knows the guy’s got nothing. I’m talking Kawakami bad.
Powder Blue
April 24th, 2012
12:55 pm
“I’m talking stake through the heart, holy wafers in the mouth, cut off the head, and consecrate the ground deep.”
I like how you think.
Owl Hunter
April 24th, 2012
1:00 pm
Chiperis going to win us alot of games, too. And I’d be more worried about Fredi’s lineups as far as finding consistency goes.
Fols
April 24th, 2012
1:00 pm
Article says that JJ’s 13 wins lead the team last year……I don’t feel like looking that up so i’m sure one of you can tell me…was 13 really our leader in wins?
George
April 24th, 2012
1:00 pm
I don’t want CHIPPER off the team [it is what it is] I know CHIPPER will make every effort to play. But I do think when the knee went bad in ST he should have called it a day. I would hate to see a great career end with bad stats this year because he cannot play well do to the injurey.
Owl Hunter
April 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
Does anyone other than me remember when people on this very blog were comparing JJ to Maddux last season?
Fols
April 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
Nevermind, ESPN just sucks…….I knew 13 didn’t lead our team!
David O'Brien
April 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
Braves recalled reliever Cory Gearrin from Gwinnett
Jimmy
April 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
From a Philly blog:
“Last nights game is a good barometer of what we are going to see many times this year. A pitcher gutting it out for 7 innings with no run support. Keeping the game close. The offense just ……..nothing. They will be so far behind before either Utley or Howard come back it will be too late. If Utley comes back. THEY NEED TO MAKE A MOVE NOW! They can’t wait until July. At this rate they will be 20 games out.”
Sound familiar??
David O'Brien
April 24th, 2012
1:02 pm
Braves recalled reliever Cory Gearrin from Gwinnett as corresponding roster move for Jurrjens.
brian
April 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
Owl hunter – unless if Chipper has improved markedly overnight, dude can barely run to 1B. Knee swells up after long plane flights to a point he cannot play. Nothing wrong with going to the DL for a while early in the season to try and get healthy.
If he can pinch hit nightly and play 2-4 games weekly then by all means keep him going, but I think Chipper is struggling health wise right now
Sopheee
April 24th, 2012
1:05 pm
Hope JJ gets it together in Gwinnett. Rooting for him.
bravesgrl4life
April 24th, 2012
1:05 pm
Welcome back, Cory!
Jimmy
April 24th, 2012
1:06 pm
Ah, I believed Cab called it this morning!!
Snotboogie
April 24th, 2012
1:07 pm
So Gearrin gets to the ML for 5 days till Huddy is back.
DOB – any idea why Flande is starting and not relieving at Gwinnett? He pitched in relief once, and then ramped up to 6.2 IP over the next 3 starts. Are GWI lacking SPs or is he being converted?
Bat Masterson
April 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
I think some folks need to have a better understanding of how the DL works. You can’t just put someone on it because they aren’t playing well.
That’s true, still all clubhouses have an excess of towels, so with a towel and an active imagination, you could come up with something.
George
April 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
Outta here for a while, hope to be back before the game. Have a good one y’all
Playoffs!!!
April 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
Thanks cabravesfan
Snotboogie
April 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
Actually – I checked and found that Flande had been a SP for the Phillies in the minors before the Braves picked him up. Not much of a conversion, then.
Owl Hunter
April 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
I’d like to know some of the FO mentality when it comes to relief options. We keep some promising young pitchers down (Flande, Marek in the past) in order to collect driftwood like Proctor and Durbin. I’m just curious as to why we make these decisions.
Fols
April 24th, 2012
1:13 pm
Spring Training doesn’t tell the story. Have a 160 game approach.
80 games Pasto
80 games Simmons
Start a real fire………winner gets the job full time next year. This way we get something exciting and less Jack Wilson.
I’m joking but has a split like that ever been done?
Owl Hunter
April 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
Having Andrelton up right now is pretty much the same as having jack Wilson on the team.
nolie
April 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
(i>I’m pretty sure that JJ does not get the same pay while in AAA if he is not on the DL….Gil
sure he does, he has a major league contract. he gets paid the same no matter what. only minor league or split contracts allow a player to be paid less in the minors. surprised you didn’t know that
Powder Blue
April 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
Glad for Gearrin. He deserves the promotion.
Ease
April 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
SB, Flande was a starter last year at Gwinnett, so…
nolie
April 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
would have preferred Flande, not quite sold on Gearrin despite MiLB stats. too one dimensional so far
Snotboogie
April 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
Ease,
Yes, I noticed that he started some games at GWI too. He just seems like a filler at this point.
Anyone think Gattis gets promoted to AA soon and becomes bait for midseason trades?
unbelievable
April 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
Gattis will get called up and will probably end up getting moved to LF and may see some time at 3B.
nolie
April 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
so with all the extra page hits it generates, does DOB root for the Braves to lose….. ?
nolie
April 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
called up to where?
Fols
April 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
DOB isn’t paying attention, he’s working on a Jack White solo album review today.
brian
April 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Gattis will get promoted to AA and split time between catcher and LF
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
I’m not in this debate, so I forgot nothing. I just don’t like seeing someone say that a guy’s stats are based on luck. There’s what happened and what didn’t happen. Luck is not a part of the equation.
Murph, what happens that is completely separate from how a guy pitches (command, control, ability to miss bats, etc.) or defense is what some call luck. You may choose to call it randomness, chance, whatever. But certainly you agree that some pitchers’ stats are influenced by another player’s defense or by a ball being just out or just within the reach of a fielder rather than by how the pitcher’s ability to throw a pitch where he wanted, throw strikes, get a grounder, etc. That’s all we’re talking about when we say “luck,” whether you choose to call it something different or not.
Sopheee
April 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
D-Lowe fix for Fish -
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Derek-Lowe-Boston-Red-Sox-World-Series-ring-stolen-042312
David O'Brien
April 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Gearrin at Triple-A Gwinnett: 15 strikeouts, two walks in 12-1/3 scoreless innings over seven appearances, 10 hits and a 0.973 WHIP.
nolie
April 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
yes that is what happened but if you seriously think that luck, both good and bad, had nothing to do with it you’re nuts.
younger generation America is about the only place in the world that likes to refute luck. People living in harsher places know just how much it affects folks lives in every area
bravesgrl4life
April 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
MLB tweet: Jason Bay on the 15-day DL for nondisplaced fracture of rib on left side.
nolie
April 24th, 2012
1:38 pm
ouch. them rib thingies hurt
DAP - Lefties Unite!!!
April 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
DOB, will gearrin be available tonight, or is that not enough time for him to get here?
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
Having Andrelton up right now is pretty much the same as having jack Wilson on the team.
Owl Hunter, I tend to agree, although Simmons may be better on defense at this stage of their careers.
Snotboogie
April 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
I notice that folks feel Gattis will be given a shot in LF. But they have been working on his catching defense quite seriously. Seems like he might have Tyler Flowers/Diet Napoli like value if he continues his hitting as a C.
Jason Bay seems to be injured quite a lot over the last couple of seasons. Tragic signing for the Mets.
TennesseePaul
April 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
what happens that is completely separate from how a guy pitches…
Like injuries.
Now, what I enjoy is when people come up with this idea that there is a national conversation on a certain pitcher who is doing well in a given year and seek to destroy and discredit his accomplishments. The retort: “He is not the next coming of Greg Maddux” It’s amusing because no one claimed he was. But what everyone who watches baseball knows, sometimes you get the bounce, the bad hop, the bloop single, sometimes you don’t. It’s the nature of the game. So when a season is done and all the numbers are down, everyone will look at the player and say “Good job. You had a great season.” Only a few will turn to him and everyone else and berate the man and belittle his accomplishments. And worse yet, if a pitcher were to become injured in the midst of a fine season and subsequently struggle to recover from injury, these accusers and abusers stand proud as if they’ve been “proven right.” Somehow that “luck” which was used to discount all the man’s work up to that point is completely overlooked concerning the “bad luck” which brought him an injury.
The irony is, in the end, the luck evened out. He had a fabulous first half and the baseball gods made him pay for it dearly in the second half.
I hope he gets better. He’s a good pitcher to have.
David O'Brien
April 24th, 2012
1:53 pm
DOB, will gearrin be available tonight, or is that not enough time for him to get here? — DAP
Should be. Gain three hours flying out here, so I’m sure he’ll be here in plenty of time.
DiamondbackMac
April 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
TennesseePaul
Amen
nolie
April 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
I don’t know if its amatter of getting better as in an injury or just learning to pitch successfully with the brace, and that doesn’t always happen. I too would like to see him be successful again, but one of the reasons that we were able to get him was questions about his durability
nolie
April 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
gee don’t they still have redeyes to LA?
brian
April 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
snotboogie – they are going to work as hard as they can at catcher defensively because that is where his biggest value is if he becomes trade fodder.
Also if Bethancourt is traded then he would be the prospect catcher in the system.
If gattis plays for Atlanta it will be as a LF while also serving as the 3rd catcher
nolie
April 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
or maybe they didn’t tell him till today….
nolie
April 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
I would hope that with all the available funds this winter that they would finally nail down left field if they do almost nothing else
The A Bomb
April 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
Still would like to know what the contingency plans are when the game gets washed out tomorrow night.
nolie
April 24th, 2012
2:04 pm
why will the game get washed out AB?
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
2:04 pm
Never fails…a couple of loses, and the craziness pops out from where it has been hiding just under the surface. As I said earlier, I’m OK with some negativity, but some folks seem to rejoice, relish, and thrive on it. Very hard for me to understand.
OK…JJ not pitching well, sent down to work on it…hurt, or just making adjustments…either way, I hope he can come back strong, but no guarantee. Many examples of both in baseball.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
gee don’t they still have redeyes to LA?
nolie-
Actually, the latest one can really get a flight to LA from the East Coast is approximately 9:00, because they are not going to lad planes in the middle of the night…and since that is 6:00 here…
nolie
April 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
exactly raleigh
The A Bomb
April 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
80 pct chance of heavy rain. Cutoff low from the Pacific. Futurecast has it arriving late afternoon tomorrow through early Thursday. Thunderstorms as well.
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
nolie, sort of odd isn’t it that some folks that presumably are big baseball fans don’t realize that a pitcher can do a lot right and an unusually high number of batted balls can end up as hits and a pitcher can do a lot wrong and an unusually high number of batted balls can end up as outs?
Most of us have suffered or been the beneficiary of chance that is a lot bigger than just putting a fastball with good movement where we want it and having it end up being a hit or an out. Yet, in baseball for some reason, some don’t want to believe in such randomness.
nolie
April 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
they don’t land planes in the middle of the night anymore? What happened ?
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
nolie-
Not at 3:00 in the morning! I suspect they don’t anywhere else either
Snotboogie
April 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
or maybe they didn’t tell him till today….
They didnt know about JJ till about midnight. No flights taking off from Atl around those times. The airport is eerily inactive around that time.
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
Wild assumptions being made about both Chipper and JJ. So what else is new…everyone has an opinion, whether it’s founded on fact or not.
Great point by Owl Hunter…a guy has to actually be hurt to put him on DL. That’s what the rules say, but more importantly, his agent, the other teams, and (shutter) the player’s association wouldn’t stand for it. Other options are available for a guy playing poorly, but that alone will not buy you a ticket to the DL.
CrαZy
April 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
Never fails…a couple of loses, and the craziness pops out from where it has been hiding just under the surface.
Veer
April 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
Gearrin might not be optioned to AAA once Huddy comes back. I think the Braves will try and see what he can bring to the major leagues in the next few days. If Gearrin does good then i expect Chad Durbin to be released to make room for Hudson. Next few games if blowouts we should see Durbin and Gearrin in ballgames to see who stays and who goes.
I think Jurrjens is done in Atlanta. No way i see him coming back given the fact that we have 2 prospects in Teheran and Delgado and Medlin. Yes the same Medlin that almost saved our season last year. What a way to make debut last year for Medlin. He kept our post season alive when Kimbrel blew it.
You have to respect Medlin for that. I don’t care how he fails but that moment when he got out of the 9th inning. It was a SF Hinske type moment.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
Medlen is still spelled with 2 E’s
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
2:13 pm
TennesseePaul, no one tried or wanted to discredit his accomplishments. We were just trying to get at the truth that he was a candidate to revert back to being merely a solid big league starter (plenty of value in that, by the way) and was not likely to end up as a Cy Young candidate. The problem came when folks pointed that out, they would get criticized as “haters” or something of that sort.
Yes, I think Jurrjens has been the victim of bad luck and the beneficiary of good luck throughout his career. I think when healthy he pretty much is what his career numbers suggest that he is, a solid mid-rotation starter. That’s not meant to demean him nor is it meant to celebrate him. It’s just what he is. But apparently some folks are too sensitive for honest, objective analysis.
Veer
April 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
Pasternicky should be given more chance to prove himself. He shouldn’t be written off this early.
Through out the Minor leagues he has been a good hitter. He just needs time to get adjusted. I think he wil come through and hit around 240-250 range before the year is over however he needs to be given a shot to play everyday. Why does Wilson start the games lately?
If by July he hasn’t come through then we can look towards acquring a SS but right now he should be there everyday
Murph
April 24th, 2012
2:15 pm
Shaun, if a pitcher puts a ball where he wants it and the hitter hits it, it’s not bad luck. It’s not misfortune. It’s just what happened. If the hitter was looking for that exact pitch in that exact location and hits it, does he somehow become lucky and pitcher unlucky? How does that make sense?
ncscoots
April 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
I would hope that with all the available funds this winter that they would finally nail down left field if they do almost nothing else
nolie joins TennPaul and me on that four-year bandwagon.
CrαZy
April 24th, 2012
2:18 pm
OK here’s what needsto happen….
Fred needs to put Durbin in to pitch when the game is close so he can load the bases for Gearrin to come in to save the day. Maybe then Gearrin will get to stay when Huddy comes back and Durbin can be the one that gets sent down.
Bobby's Chauffeur
April 24th, 2012
2:20 pm
I haven’t read all the recent post. My question is has there been any comment about Freddi G. not getting out of the dugout in support of Bourn getting called out at second. It appears Freddi doesn’t want to be bothered leaving the dugout. Just talking to the umpire would let the team know he is on top of things.
Veer
April 24th, 2012
2:21 pm
It’s Gearrin’s job to lose now. As long as Gearrin doesn’t suck he will stay and Durbin will get released/demoted. Gearrin pitched amazing in spring and in AAA so he doesn’t have to prove much more. As long as he doesn’t pull off a Jurrjens he will stay.
CrαZy
April 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
MEDLEN How hard is that to remember!!!
The A Bomb
April 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
Addendum to JJ move…
Message sent to EVERYONE that if you’re not going to perform, you’re not going to be with the big club long-term. May have a really positive effect on the pitching staff as well.
Nice job Frank. And by your puppet manager as well.
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
Veer @2:14 – Is that the REAL you? A rational statement? Go figure.
cab – It’s like people intentionally continue to misspell MedlEn…You know, like fingurenails on a chalk board.
nolie
April 24th, 2012
2:23 pm
sounds bad AB…..poor ol Chippy might hafta fly all that way again for just one game?
ncscoots
April 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
MEDLEN How hard is that to remember!!!
It would appear that it’s monumentally hard.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
raleighbravefan-
fingernails on a chalk board are less irritating
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
Murph, right, it’s what happened. But what happened doesn’t always indicate how well or poorly a player pitched or hit. Often it does. But there are plenty of times when it doesn’t.
If a pitcher throws an outstanding pitch, with great movement, right on the corner of the strikezone and the hitter sort of just throws the bat out, hits the ball and the ball is barely out of the reach of an infielder; if we look at hits allows, batting average against, even possibly ERA, the pitcher will get victimized in these categories in this scenario yet he did what he was supposed to do. And the hitter will get rewarded in many categories, though he really didn’t do anything all that special. How does it make sense to ignore how a pitcher fundamentally pitches and put all your eggs in the stats that are influenced by flukey scenarios basket?
kenhotlanta
April 24th, 2012
2:25 pm
“Shaun: Having Andrelton up right now is pretty much the same as having jack Wilson on the team.
Owl Hunter, I tend to agree, although Simmons may be better on defense at this stage of their careers.”
Wilson does the little things that Rev and Simmons prolly haven’t learned yet…he has deked at least 2 to 3 runners at 2nd in the past week resulting in that runner being thrown out, including Kemp last night. Besides making all the plays at SS.
The A Bomb
April 24th, 2012
2:27 pm
.. LATE SEASON STORM HEADED FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WEDNESDAY…
A LATE SEASON STORM… LOCATED ABOUT 450 MILES WEST OF LOS ANGELES… IS EXPECTED TO SPREAD RAIN AND LOCALLY GUSTY WINDS INTO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
EARLY RAINFALL ESTIMATES CALL FOR 0.50 AND 1.00 INCHES FROM SOUTHERN SANTA BARBARA COUNTY TO LOS ANGELES COUNTY.
I just want to know if the makeup would be Thursday afternoon or what? No other common off-days seen!
nolie
April 24th, 2012
2:27 pm
. If Gearrin does good then i expect Chad Durbin to be released to make room for Hudson…Veer
you think they are gonna throw away $900,000 so early in the season? I kinda doubt it, but it would be nice