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bravesgrl4life
April 24th, 2012
10:31 am
I’m betting we do a heck of a lot better tonight with Mike Minor on the mound. I really believe the problem last night was the starting pitcher infecting the team with negative vibes.
TheOnlyBravesFan
April 24th, 2012
10:32 am
ncscoots@ 10:18 I agree completely with what you said. Give the Rev some time. He’ll get it together. He’s not a super rookie like Heyward/Freeman/Kimbrel.
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
10:32 am
TnPaul – Okay, you’re probably right. I’m old, and my memory isn’t so good. They probably sent Frenchy down just to piss him off, cause they are azzholes. Then they brought him back up, because they realized that they had made a terrible mistake, and Frenchy was actually playing great. At any rate, I’m not going to go back and see what was ACTUALLY said at the time, because it doesn’t matter that much to me. I just get tired of the whiners who believe that they are smarter and know more than the manager, GM, and front office.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
10:34 am
A good start from Minor tonight will prove a lot… and I think it would be uncharted territory for him. He’s typically been a good start, bad start guy, occasionally going good start, good start, bad start… I don’t think he’s ever gone good start, good start, good start.
The A Bomb
April 24th, 2012
10:34 am
“I don’t believe in that,” Gonzalez said. “I think if you hire people, let them do their job. If they’re organized, detailed, and they work… You’re right, it’s easy to fire somebody and throw somebody to the wolves. That’s not the way I work….I’m sure that L.P. [Parrish] will sit back and evaluate some things, maybe do some things different, like we all will.”
———————————————————————————————————————————————-
“We just talked; the game was over 15 minutes ago. We’re not going to make any crazy decisions right now.”
Starring — Frank Wren as Paul Winchell …..Fredi Gonzalez as Jerry Mahoney.
monty
April 24th, 2012
10:35 am
Forgive me if I’m reluctant to go bragging on Livan right now, seeing how RHB are hitting .400 against him with .381 OBP, .550 slugg. and .931 OPS. Oh and LHB are hitting .346 against him, call me crazy but that’s not worth bragging about. I think most decent minor leaguers could match those numbers without paying 1 mil., also a 1.5 WHIP. Way to go Livan!
David O'Brien
April 24th, 2012
10:35 am
More likely, it was simply a matter of Fredi protecting JJ and giving him time to wrap his head around the decision without being bombarded by the press.
Actually, I don’t even know if Braves had told Jurrjens when we talked to him. I don’t think they had. He didn’t act as if they had. Said some things that indicated they had not. But yes, I agree Fredi was protecting him (I’m sure that Fredi knew when he talked to us, in other words. Just didn’t want to say it before we talked to JJ).
I’m not sure why they didn’t simply make the move and keep clubhouse closed long enough to do it and discuss it with Jurrjens, then announce it. Because it was already way past our deadlines back home. And we could have then talked to Jurrjens and Fredi, etc, about the move, rather than trying to call JJ so late last night after he left, and again this morning (which I just did) hoping to reach him before flight home, etc.
Duke
April 24th, 2012
10:36 am
ncscoots,
I agree with you on your post about Pastornicky. He doesn’t looked overmatched like Simmons did in Spring Traning. He puts the ball in play, he just hasn’t hit it that hard recently. Maybe the work with Walk and Fletch will help him the square the ball up better. I’m betting he has a hit and walk tonight.
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
10:37 am
Murph and Duke – Bitchers gotta bitch. That’s what they do. I just wish they didn’t seem to enjoy it so much.
monty
April 24th, 2012
10:39 am
I suppose if Minor has another good start tonight then we up the ante to a good-good-good-good start next time right Murph? Picture a smiley emoticon here.
Gil in Mechanicsville
April 24th, 2012
10:39 am
Pitchers have so many moving parts that sometimes it is difficult to realize it is the non moving parts that could be the problem. Who knows for sure with JJ? To tell the truth, I’ve never known a player who wants to be sent down, no matter how much it is needed or even if it is in a player’s best interest. So many reasons to stay in the bigs and so few to go to the minors, the most significant is money….
I’m pretty sure that JJ does not get the same pay while in AAA if he is not on the DL. Heck, short of their arm falling off, I’ve not known any pitcher who will even admit they are having a problem.
So, what of JJ? It has been pretty clear to just about everyone in baseball that Jair is not the same guy who went to the All-Star game last year. More clearly, he looks like the kid who got shelled in his first couple of outings last season. I saw him pitch in spring training two years ago when he was learning to “pitch to contact” and his fast ball was just a flat and just as hittable as last night.
The kid still has great potential, I for one hope he gets what ever is ailing him fixed but I am not counting on it. I don’t think Frank Wren and company are either considering he tried to trade him over the winter.
Hillbilly
April 24th, 2012
10:40 am
JJ Hoover called up by Reds.
Attababy. I’m pulling for the dude. Fellow bow-hunter and should-be starter.
Bat Masterson
April 24th, 2012
10:42 am
I wouldn’t bet my life on it, Mitchell’s yeah okay, but I’m sure JJ gets paid the same either way.
Duke
April 24th, 2012
10:42 am
DOB, what are your feelings on JJ going down to work on his stuff? In my opinion, it is the best move for all. JJ can work on his approach down in AAA and also get his mind right about his knee. Clearly he just hasn’t put that behind him yet. It’s tough coming off an injury so pivotal to what you do. It is in your head until you prove to yourself that it won’t bother what you are trying to do.
He did hit 90 a good amount last night, which is up from previous starts. So maybe he isn’t that far away from trusting the knee yet.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
10:42 am
Murph and Duke – Bitchers gotta bitch. That’s what they do. I just wish they didn’t seem to enjoy it so much.
I’m not bitching. I find the Fredi/Wren dynamic absolutely fascinating. Not in a sarcastic way, either. I love it. I am glued to the blog and the quotes when something like this happens. Better than any reality show on TV.
I’m not even bitching about the SS situation. I was hoping Simmons would have earned a spot, but he didn’t and still doesn’t appear to be close based on his AA performance thus far. Not many options other than what they are doing currently, although I do wonder how long a collective .150 BA from the SS position will be tolerated.
JoeFan
April 24th, 2012
10:44 am
JJ never needed to be in the rotation to begin with. He should of been in AAA to start the season. Just like Lowe he cost the Braves games they can’t get back but at least the Braves had the sense to pull the plug early. Now Fredi needs to stop shuffling the lineup and put his best 8 players out there each game and if the Braves aren’t satisfied with their SS play, then better find a replacement to shore up the position.
JoeFan
April 24th, 2012
10:44 am
JJ never needed to be in the rotation to begin with. He should of been in AAA to start the season. Just like Lowe he cost the Braves games they can’t get back but at least the Braves had the sense to pull the plug early. Now Fredi needs to stop shuffling the lineup and put his best 8 players out there each game and if the Braves aren’t satisfied with their SS play, then better find a replacement to shore up the position.
TennesseePaul
April 24th, 2012
10:44 am
They probably sent Frenchy down just to piss him off, cause they are azzholes. Then they brought him back up, because they realized that they had made a terrible mistake
Well RBF, I don’t think that is the only other option for how it went. But I do recall Francoeur wasn’t exactly thrilled about the assignment when he was sent down.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
10:45 am
The JJ situation does highlight something else, which is how freakin’ awesome it is to have options when if comes to assembling your starting rotation.
Huddy on the DL, JJ sent down to AAA, and the team can still throw quality pitcher after quality pitcher at opposing lineups.
Not many teams in the MLB have the flexibility that the Braves have.
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
10:46 am
Murph, April 24th, 2012, 10:28 am … “The part of the Fredi quote that I left out was something about JJ pitching again in 6 days… “
“At Gwinnett,” Fredi subvocalized.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
10:50 am
When Frenchy was sent down, did he even play a single game before being recalled?
My memory of the events is hazy, but I seem to recall he was sent down, he whined and stomped his feet like a baby, and was called back up immediately.
Hillbilly
April 24th, 2012
10:53 am
Murph I want to say Francoeur played about 3 games and then the All Star Break came.
Bat Masterson
April 24th, 2012
10:53 am
My favorite comments from last night are the variations of ” I told y’all Wren should have traded JJ for Adam Jones last winter”
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
10:54 am
Murph – MY bad…I know you weren’t bitching. I was agreeing with comments, but meant to say Bat, instead of Murph. He and Duke were commenting on the negatives showing up after the loses, as usual (same thing said by DOB). Again, my bad, my friend.
Gil in Mechanicsville
April 24th, 2012
10:54 am
Ya know, if the shortstop position was really all about the glove and not the bat too, Tony Perez III would still be with the Braves and playing everyday. Can a team really afford to give up outs in their line up?
Now one more thing, good at bats do not always result in hits… Sometimes you can really barrel up the ball and still hit it at someone. Same thing is true of pitching, when the other team is squaring up on the ball but you fielders happen to bail you out, it does not make you a great pitcher. What makes you a great pitcher is how you are able to reduce the number of good at bats the other side has. It is errors that really cause bad things to befall you.
On Pastonicky… who knows what the real problem is? For sure, the Braves are not saying right now. There could be a trade in the works…..
ncscoots
April 24th, 2012
10:55 am
Just like Lowe he cost the Braves games they can’t get back but at least the Braves had the sense to pull the plug early.
Braves were actually 2-2 in Jurrjens’ starts. Not as if he put them in the cellar.
TennesseePaul
April 24th, 2012
10:55 am
Murph, we went down for 3 games… to AA. He got 14 plate appearances and drew 1 walk and was brought back up. While in AA he feasted on the pitching. Probably should have sent him to AAA to face better pitchers.
He was hitting .234/.287/.374/.662 before he went down. After returning he hit .245/.303/.340/.643
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Just for the record, Francoeur did not get called back up because he “stomped his feet and whined like a baby”. He got called back up because someone got hurt. That’s the only way a player can return before the mandatory 10 days…
DiamondbackMac
April 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Murph
Check here: http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425796#gameType=‘R’§ionType=career&statType=1&season=2012&level=’ALL’
beekay
April 24th, 2012
10:59 am
When Hudson comes up, do you bat him 8th and put the .100 twins Rev/Wilson 9th….
TennesseePaul
April 24th, 2012
11:00 am
Speaking of Francoeur, has the fan crowd shown up in a while? The group that did Francoeur’s Franks, McCann’s Cans, and the funniest of all… Kotchman’s Crotchmen?
I remember a group doing Sheffield’s Chef’s way back in the day.
Hillbilly
April 24th, 2012
11:00 am
Yep. I was right. He played 3 games with Mississippi and went 7 for 13 with a triple.
But he came back for 5 games BEFORE the ASB.
Hillbilly
April 24th, 2012
11:03 am
TenPaul,
I saw Jason’s Jason’s the other night. A bunch of dudes in white hockey masks.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
11:03 am
raleigh, I wasn’t sure, which is why I didn’t threaten to send the 4 year old after you.
Speaking of the 4 year old, I have big blog news from over the weekend. She scored her first career goal in soccer! And it wasn’t just any goal…
Score tied, 4th quarter, he team is kicking off following a goal scored by the other team (it was actually scored by our team on our own goal, but as supportive parents we aren’t supposed to point that out).
The 4 year old is set to kick, she takes an extra step back… I already know what she’s thinking, but can’t believe she’s actually going to do it. I move forward in my chair in anticipation as she run straight at the ball and sends if flying with a sonic boom. It gets past the first row of players before they even know what happened, through the 2nd row, and there’s only one player who can stop it. He goes to kick it and whifs…
The kid scored the winning goal on a kickoff from MIDFIELD!!! It was amazing.
Duke
April 24th, 2012
11:03 am
raleighbravefan
You can’t keep the naysayers off the blog. Which it disheartening. If only this blog could be for the true Braves followers and not the ones that jump on and off the train.
Duke
April 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Sounds like it was an excellent day for you Murph. That had to be a good feeling.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
11:07 am
Just for the record, Francoeur did not get called back up because he “stomped his feet and whined like a baby”. He got called back up because someone got hurt. That’s the only way a player can return before the mandatory 10 days…
I need to look into this… again, my memory of the events is hazy. He did cry and stomp his feet like a baby, I don’t think anyone can deny this.
Can anyone remember the player who went on the DL so that Frenchy could get called back up so quickly? Was it a legitimate, bone sticking out of the skin injury or was it for something small? I seem to remember the injury being something small, but again, I could be wrong.
All I know is that he was sent down to work on things, and then called back up before he could really work on things.
Hillbilly
April 24th, 2012
11:08 am
TenPaul, I remember Frenchy’s Maids and Freemen’s SeaMen, too.
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
11:09 am
cab @10:58 – Thank you. Maybe I’m not so old and forgetful after all…or at least the forgetful part.
TNScott
April 24th, 2012
11:10 am
I think there will be Cory Gearrin sighting coming to a Braves team near you.
bravesgrl4life
April 24th, 2012
11:10 am
Murphy – good for your 4-year old? Is this just more proof of her super powers?
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
11:13 am
Murph – Good for your 4 year old….by the way, thanks for not sicing her on me. Why do you think I sent the correction so quickly? Whew!
Playoffs!!!
April 24th, 2012
11:13 am
For those of you who say Jurrgens had a “lucky” first half last year, you need to look at his career stats. That’s a ridiculous statement. What he’s done (or hasnt done) since the All-Star break last year is the abberation.
As far as Pastornicky goes, you can’t judge him on 2 weeks and 40 ABs. C’mon, play him. And if a month from now, there’s no improvment , then you think about making a move
Wilson only needs to be in there for late-inning defense..
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
11:14 am
“The kid scored the winning goal on a kickoff from MIDFIELD!!! It was amazing.”
Sounds like the 4 year old has great sports instincts.
DAP - Lefties Unite!!!
April 24th, 2012
11:17 am
murph, thats awesome about the 4 year old. id like to take this opportunity to opine that the game of soccer is probably most appropriate for 4 year old girls.
Hillbilly
April 24th, 2012
11:18 am
“After three years, after playing hurt, playing every day, going in every day whether I got a hit and never complaining, I just played because Bobby [Cox] kept putting me in the lineup,” Francoeur told the newspaper. “But I just felt like a little three-minute thing — ‘Hey, you’re going down’ — I feel like after three years, I was owed a little more of an explanation. But that’s Frank’s deal and that’s what I guess they decided to do.
Murph, here you go. Quotes from Francoeur on his demotion in 2008:
“My question is, what if I had hit a home run or had two hits [Thursday night]? Does it delay it one day, until I was 0-for-4? I was left standing outside in the dark on that. You almost felt like they had made [their minds] up before the game. That’s where I felt frustrated, where I felt a little betrayed,” he told the newspaper.
And yes he go called up when Omar Infante (hamstring), Jeff Bennett (arm), and Manny Acosta (hamstring) all went on the DL at the same time.
Playoffs!!!
April 24th, 2012
11:18 am
As for the Francoeur demotion, if you’re going to go thru all that drama in sending him to AAA, you sure as heck leave him down there for more than 3 days. . 3 weeks at least, not 3 days. Yes, an outfielder got injured, so they called him back up.
But they couldn’t call up another minor leauge outfielder or gotten someone cheap of the waiver wire to fill in for 2-3 weeks??
DS1
April 24th, 2012
11:19 am
Gil
I’ve been also wondering if a trade might be in the works for another SS? Seems we have 3 SS’s and none of them are hitters (yet).
Hillbilly
April 24th, 2012
11:21 am
Well I botched that post. My intro is right in the middle of JFs quotes but maybe you can sift through it.
DS1
April 24th, 2012
11:21 am
Francouer is ancient history. Why are we even talking about him?
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
11:22 am
Hillbilly-
Thanks for those quotes. I’ve always felt Jeff was simply upset about the way he was told he was being sent down, not the actual demotion. It seems it was handled poorly and he was just expressing that.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
11:23 am
Thanks all… just had to pass on the 4 year old’s news since she’s kinda like the blog mascot/enforcer.
Back to Frenchy, like I said, I don’t remember things all that clearly, but I do remember thinking that they made some moves to bring him back up due to his behavior, not due to his repaired swing.
Either way, it’s ancient history now. I hope JJ is going to take things better than Frenchy did, but there’s no telling… yet.
raleighbravefan
April 24th, 2012
11:24 am
Socker would be great, if they would just speed it up a lot, give people sticks, and let them hit each other. Even better if you throw in a good fight or two. …But then… it would be hockey.
DiamondbackMac
April 24th, 2012
11:24 am
Murph
Here are the transactions for July ‘08.
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=atl&year=2008&month=7
ncscoots
April 24th, 2012
11:29 am
It seems it was handled poorly and he was just expressing that.
Gas on the fire, if so.
One might decry the plantation mentality of front offices, but a player ignores it to his detriment. And he spits in its face at his peril.
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
11:29 am
For those of you who say Jurrgens had a “lucky” first half last year, you need to look at his career stats. That’s a ridiculous statement. What he’s done (or hasnt done) since the All-Star break last year is the abberation.
Well, I would say the first half of last season was a lucky first half and I would also agree that he’s not really as bad as his second half of 2011 and first month of 2012 indicates. It’s not either/or.
Before the 2011 season he had a career ERA of 3.52 with a 118 ERA+. Per 35 starts for this career, to that point, he was 14-10 with 204 IP, 145 SO and 74 BB. Those are solid numbers but they are more like a mid-rotation guy on a good staff.
Roman Gal
April 24th, 2012
11:38 am
I think it’s interesting that people are on Pastornicky about not hitting. It’s not really seemed to be an issue thus far when he’s been in the lineup, has it?
No, not really. Let’s just all talk about how fat Livan Hernandez is…
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
11:38 am
I’ve always felt Jeff was simply upset about the way he was told he was being sent down, not the actual demotion. It seems it was handled poorly and he was just expressing that.
Francoeur was definitely handles poorly. Who can blame him for lashing out? He’s not the one who acted as if a guy with OBP in the .300 range with poor plate discipline was something close to a star player who deserved to play literally every day. When you are treated as if you are a certain kind of player, your game hasn’t changed all that much and the team all of the sudden turns a 180, I can understand the lashing out.
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
11:40 am
I don’t think it’s clear at all that Simmons or anyone else would provide any more value at the major league level than Pastornicky. It will be probably a couple of more months at least before we know that.
Duke
April 24th, 2012
11:42 am
TNScott
April 24th, 2012
11:10 am
I think there will be Cory Gearrin sighting coming to a Braves team near you.
Let’s hope not. The kid has not been very good. Period. Let’s give Flande a chance, even though he has been starting down in AAA
Duke
April 24th, 2012
11:44 am
Now that I say that, I don’t know what the plan is with him. It looks as if he is building his arm strength for staying as a starter. Pretty impressive last two starts for Yohan Flande.
RemoW
April 24th, 2012
11:45 am
Regarding the bullpen, Livan and Durbin. This was an obvious move. Fredi can throw either guy to his hearts content and no one is going to blast him. Last night was a great example. Livan came in, if we get close or tie it then you move to a better pitcher. Otherwise you leave him out there to do his job. Livan did a pretty solid job last night.
I have no issue with either pitcher with they way they are being used. Now, if they starting getting time in obvious O’ventbrel innings, then I will have an issue.
ncscoots
April 24th, 2012
11:45 am
Well, I would say the first half of last season was a lucky first half
Was he also lucky for all of 2009? 215 IP, .260 ERA, age 23? After all, all his rates were pretty close to career values, so there are no obvious signposts to why he had such a good year. He may have had a little luck, yes, but no one shaves a full run from season to season on luck alone. Seemed as if he were proceeding on an improving track with experience, until derailed by the injuries in 2010.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Duke-
Gear run would most likely be called up before Flande- I don’t believe Flande is in the 40 man rostet
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Grrr- stupid autocorrect. Gearrin
brian
April 24th, 2012
11:47 am
for those that are saying I told you so in that Wren should have traded JJ for Adam Jones, please remember that the orioles wanted JJ, Prado, and Teheran/Delgado/Vizcaino for Adam Jones which would have been insane on the Braves part
Playoffs!!!
April 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Francouer is ancient history. Why are we even talking about him?
Past is prelude, my friend. Wasn’t it Mark McGuire, when he was before Congress testifying about steroid use, who said “I don’t want to talk about the past.”
Fish Bisch
April 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Livan Hernandez is our 3rd best pitcher behind Beachy and Minor.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
11:49 am
*roster…sigh
thegreatsowhat
April 24th, 2012
11:49 am
Went to the game last night… had lots of fun simply because I was happy to see the Braves and Dodger Stadium is a great place to watch a game. On the other hand, the game was pretty frustrating. Definitely no managerial expert, but my stomach dropped when 1. I saw Heyward batting sixth behind Diaz (with Chipper and McCann out- really?), 2. Fredi let JJ hit with runners on the corners and one out and the Braves down two in the top of the fourth when it was more than clear from his pitching and body language that he did NOT have it (my sister, who spent a large part of the game reading a book and who’s baseball knowledge is limited to which players are good looking, asked me: “what’s wrong with your pitcher? He looks hurt or upset or something.”, and finally 3. Pastornicky pinch hitting in the ninth with the Braves down five and one out. Yeah… desperate times… but McCann and Chipper were on the bench.
Other impressions: The Braves are a tight group: they were loose and having a lot of fun in batting practice. McCann, Bourn, Ross, Hinske and Kimbrel were very gracious in autographing a baseball for my nephew. Hinske in particular was very funny. Ok- great thing about baseball, no matter how bad it was yesterday… it’s a new game today! Go Braves!
Duke
April 24th, 2012
11:50 am
cabravesfan,
You’re right, he is not on the 40 man. But Gearin just is not worthy of a call up in my opinon. We have seen what he can do and until he can get the lefties out, there is no room for him.
Fols
April 24th, 2012
11:52 am
I don’t have an issue with Pastornicky, many line-ups across baseball have a spot in the line-up that could be better. Whether that’s a player having a down season or a young guy learning the game. This team can still win a lot of games with that hole….it did all of last year with many holes.
My problem is that it’s not just Pastornicky. Chipper is down to 50% of our games at best. That either brings in Juan or it moves Prado to bring in Diaz. Despite some big power from Juan, it’s hardly Chipper Jones. So that’s 2 positions of concern, add a pitcher and just like last season that’s quickly a third of the batting order.
I still think we’ll win a lot of ball games but it’ll be difficult to be consistant. I didn’t like years of an out-field platoon, now we have a 3B platoon for 2012.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
11:53 am
Duke-
Gearrin is 1-0 with an ERA of 0.00 in 7 relief appearances (12.1innings) with 2 saves, a WHIP of .973 (15Ks vs. 2 walks)- not bad
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
11:56 am
ncscoots, yes, he was lucky in 2009 and perhaps his defense helped him out as well. His BABIP in 2009 was .274. He’s a low BABIP guy (.289 for his career) but .274 is ridiculously low. There’s your sign post. Throw in that he’s not a bad pitcher and, when luck and defense are on his side, he ends up with a 2.60 ERA.
I think what some don’t seem to understand is that no one is saying Jurrjens is fundamentally a bad pitcher and that his good seasons or half seasons are all completely a result of luck. It’s not that simple.
Jurrjens is a solid pitcher (something like a good mid-rotation guy on a good staff, a three or a four) and when he has luck and defense on his side, he’s going to get outstanding results that make it look like he’s a good or great number two.
brian
April 24th, 2012
11:58 am
Fish – I would put Hanson above Livan and Medlen as well if there was any chance of Medlen starting.
brian
April 24th, 2012
11:58 am
with Jurrjens going to AAA it is especially important for him to keep a good attitude. He could really help groom Teheran as well.
ncscoots
April 24th, 2012
11:59 am
Chipper is down to 50% of our games at best.
I think his knee will get stronger as he gets further from the surgery. If it doesn’t, then it may not hold up at all. In either case, I don’t think the current schedule for him will continue, as is.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
12:03 pm
How can JJ’s stats be attributed to luck when there is no such thing as luck?
Murph
April 24th, 2012
12:04 pm
He could really help groom Teheran as well.
Teheran has had no issues with giving up runs at the MLB level… he’s been quite good at it, actually. I don’t know what else JJ could teach him.
Shaun
April 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
Murph, okay, so call it randomness, chance, whatever you want to call something that is completely outside of the control of his own control, command, ability to miss bats, etc.
Also, you forgot to mention defense.
Also, not all of his stats are attributable to luck or defense. He’s a solid pitcher and his stats indicate that who, when he’s lucky or gets help from defense, looks like a near ace. And when he gets unlucky, he looks horrible. But fundamentally, he’s an okay pitcher.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
12:08 pm
Also, you forgot to mention defense.
I’m not in this debate, so I forgot nothing. I just don’t like seeing someone say that a guy’s stats are based on luck. There’s what happened and what didn’t happen. Luck is not a part of the equation.
Ease
April 24th, 2012
12:10 pm
Frenchy mystery solved…
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-07-07-3641321078_x.htm
me
April 24th, 2012
12:15 pm
Congradulations Murph. That was awesome.
George
April 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
Hi y’all
Not a good night at all. How is CHIPPER? Can he play tonight? I am sorry but JJ has to go he is almost as bad as KK was. Trade JJ for a bat boy.
jeffrey d
April 24th, 2012
12:18 pm
Luck is not a part of the equation.
Well it is sometimes. Like when Bay crashed into the wall and it ended up being a double (for Chipper?)
But you have to think that over time, luck evens out
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
12:18 pm
” cabravesfan, April 24th, 2012, 11:47 am … “Gear run would …”
Your autocorrect really Wanged you on that one.
Jimmy
April 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
You know, the Dodgers have the best record in baseball (tie with Texas) and haven’t lost at home yet this year. They are off to a good start.
We have won our last three series. Still two games left to win in LA.
Overall, we are playing good ball.
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
12:20 pm
Part of Chipper’s 50% games played stat occurred because he was on the DL.
George
April 24th, 2012
12:20 pm
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHIPPER
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
abeeewright-
It did. Of course, it would help if I read my comments before I hit “submit”
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
“How can JJ’s stats be attributed to luck when there is no such thing as luck?”
That post came just when we really needed a solid post. Murph is “clutch.”
Oh, sorry, didn’t realize that “clutch” is no more real than “luck.”
abeeewright
April 24th, 2012
12:23 pm
“cabravesfan, April 24th, 2012, 12:21 pm … “it would help if I read my comments before I hit “submit””"
Where would be the fun in that?
cabravesfan + autocorrect = potential for lots of new bloggisms.
Murph
April 24th, 2012
12:26 pm
There’s a magical land somewhere, filled with unicorns and leprechauns, rainbows and lucky horseshoes… sadly, they don’t play baseball anymore, though. The games never ended because of all the lucky rolls, lucky bounces, lucky catches, etc. They just kept going on and on and on.
I think it’s somewhere just south of Newark, but can’t confirm that.
George
April 24th, 2012
12:26 pm
Sad to say but at this rate CHIPPER will only play 50 to 60 games. You kinda got to wonder if it is worth tieing up a roster spot for that. I sure do not mean to throw CHIPPER under the bus for saying that.
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
12:29 pm
abeeewright-
I just wish I could take credit of Fists of Furry…I like that one
jeffrey d
April 24th, 2012
12:29 pm
Sad to say but at this rate CHIPPER will only play 50 to 60 games
9 out of 17 games is 52.9%, over the course of 162 games….85.6 games
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
12:30 pm
George-
The team is not going to cut Chipper. No point dwelling on it. He’s here until the end of the season.
Playoffs!!!
April 24th, 2012
12:31 pm
What the status of Frank Wren’s contract. Last I heard, they gave him a two-year deal. And that was more than a year ago. But I may have missed something…
How long does his contract run? Anyone know???
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
12:33 pm
Wren’s contract was renewed at the end of last season- so he is signed through 2013
cabravesfan
April 24th, 2012
12:34 pm
I should say he signed an extension in February of 2011, not after the season…