Braves’ Delgado gets knocked around in 9-0 loss

DUNEDIN, Fla. – The Braves didn’t expect so many “crooked number” innings to come up in the battle for their final rotation spot. Innings like two that Randall Delgado endured in Saturday’s 9-0 whipping by the Toronto Blue Jays.

Adam Lind hit a three-run homer in the third inning and the Jays tacked on five runs in the fourth against Delgado, who fell to 1-3 as his ERA climbed to 7.94 in five Grapefruit League games (four starts). The 22-year-old was charged with 10 hits and eight runs (five earned) in just four innings.

He’s competing with fellow top prospect Julio Teheran, who has a 9.00 ERA in four games (two starts)

“When we’re competing for jobs we want guys to put zeroes up there,” Gonzalez said. “But just chalk it up, and when it comes to decision time we’re going to try to go with the best guy that we can.”

Gonzalez agreed Delgado’s performance was a little better than results indicated. A would-be double-play grounder was botched by second baseman Josh Wilson on the second batter of the five-run inning.

“You can’t assume a double play, but we make that play it might be a different inning,” Gonzalez said. “Still, he’s got to learn how to get through those innings and minimize the damage a little bit. But yeah, at the end of the day I think he did pitch a little better than the linescore shows.”

If Delgado or Teheran had a 3.00 ERA this spring, either right-hander could be a runaway winner by now in their duel. They’re competing for the temporary fill-in role until veteran Tim Hudson completes his rehab from back surgery and rejoins the Braves as soon as late April.

Delgado and 21-year-old Teheran,  one of the two or three top-rated pitching prospects in baseball, were quickly relegated to competing for the Hudson fill-in spot when lefty Mike Minor came out putting up the kind of zeroes Gonzalez referenced.

Minor had 14 scoreless innings in his first four starts to secure the rotation vacancy that isn’t going away when Hudson returns.

In the race for the other spot, Delgado was thought to have a lead over Teheran before Saturday, a pitch day for both of them. Teheran had originally been scheduled to start against Toronto and Delgado in a minor league game Saturday (earlier in the spring the two “piggybacked” in the same game or started in split-squad games the same day).

But Teheran had some arm soreness after his last start, so Delgado started against the Jays and Teheran threw a 25-pitch side session at about 75-percent effort at Braves came in Lake Buena Vista, Fla. That went well and Teheran is set to throw another bullpen at full effort Tuesday, then start a split-squad game Friday.

Against the Blue Jays, Delgado worked around one-out singles in the first and second innings, coaxing a pair of fly balls after the first hit and getting help in the second when catcher David Ross threw out Colby Rasmus attempting to steal second with two out.

He ran into trouble in the third after a leadoff single by 44-year-old Omar Vizquel, who advanced on a hit-and-run grounder and a wild pitch. After a one-out walk by ex-Braves shortstop Yunel Escobar, Delgado got slugger Jose Bautista to pop out for the second out.

Then Adam Lind crushed a full-count hanging curveball for a three-run homer. The curve is Delgado’s third-best pitch.

“The three-run homer I can live with that,” Ross said. “But the five-run inning we kind of got a double play ball that didn’t get made, then he had to pitch out of some jams and gave up some hits. But he threw the ball well. I know it’s a five-run inning, but if he pitches like that he’ll be fine…. His curveball is still coming along. He threw some good ones to strike out Yunel, but he hung a couple. He knows that. But fastball is sinking good, changeup is good.”

In the fourth inning, J.P Arenciba hit a leadoff single and Travis Snider followed with a grounder that Wilson misplayed, turning two potential two outs to none. Vizquel singled to load the bases before Johnson, the ex-Braves second baseman, cleared them with a double that pushed the lead to 6-0.

“I think the location of the pitches was good, but maybe a little bit up,” said Delgado, who was asked about his spring performance and if he deserved to be on roster. ““I don’t know. I just try to take all the opportunities that I can….

“For me, the point is to be healthy and work on my pitches. I try not to worry and just make my pitches.”

Gonzalez said he might wait longer to decide between Delgado and Teheran, since the Braves open the season April 5 but won’t need a fifth starter until April 11 in the sixth game. Because there’s no game April 6, the opening-day starter – Gonzalez  hasn’t made that decision yet either – can come back to pitch on regular rest April 10 in the fifth game.

A fifth starter will be needed for the sixth game of the season, because the Braves aren’t going to bring back their No. 2 starter on short rest April 11 after making his season debut April 7.

81 comments Add your comment

theriddler

March 24th, 2012
5:54 pm

Greg

March 24th, 2012
5:54 pm

Are there any pitchers having a dominating spring?

TWIN

March 24th, 2012
5:56 pm

Felix

March 24th, 2012
5:57 pm

9-0 whipping…………man, that’s ugly.

Alex

March 24th, 2012
5:57 pm

Bayou Brave

March 24th, 2012
6:02 pm

Supes

March 24th, 2012
6:11 pm

So both Delgado and Teheran get shelled (and are in contention for a starting rotation spot) and Medlen is in the pen (while putting up good work)…Fredo truly is brilliant baseball manager.

Bravesfan54

March 24th, 2012
6:22 pm

Spring training means nothing – we all know that in the usual sense of the word. But isn’t this spring different, given the collapse? The vote of confidence given the team by FW hasn’t seemed to inspire too many “stellar” Grapefruit league performances. Losing Vizcaino for the season is a blow to the team, plain and simple, and Chipper is going to makes us all hold our breath waiting to see what kind of contribution we can expect from him. Everybody was too damn happy to get rid of a slick fielding, 15 HR guy in favor of what? Too skinny untried, weak hitting, no power guys? Ok, if this inspires you – I am with you, but we are talkin’ future here, not a 90 win season. I am being realistic that this is team in transition. I see young guys and new faces in a future that looks good, but the problem is “this team and this year”, and I don’t see a playoff year beginning to shape, I just don’t.

mitchgt

March 24th, 2012
6:26 pm

Medlin! Looks like he’s going to pitch 5 innings in games either of these guys start anyway.

Disgusted

March 24th, 2012
6:26 pm

Did I not say through the off season that Teheran and Delgado (if they are on the MLB roster) through this yr would be going through their learning curve.

And they might even be going through their learning curve in 2013.

I would rather see Medelen in there now,

Delgado should be good by 2014, 15. Teheran might be great in three yrs.

Pray for the health of Hanson, Hudson and JJ. Even JJ is no sure thing the way things look right now.

This might turn out to be a rebuilding season. Like it or not. We will know lots more by Memorial Day.

What do the sun is in the sky Yeasayers have to say now.

By June 15th I will be proud to say “I told you so.”

Tenaciousdx

March 24th, 2012
6:28 pm

100 losses. It is coming

kevkat

March 24th, 2012
6:29 pm

Sorry, Medlen should be starter…Delgado and Teheran..just not ready

Disgusted

March 24th, 2012
6:30 pm

Braves fan 54–You are spot on about Alex Gonzalez. He contributed more than what he was given credit for.

And he was one of the guys who sowed up in September when it was falling apart.

So what he had a low OBP, he fielded well and got what, 46 extra base hits. What we have now is not better than what we had.

John A.

March 24th, 2012
6:39 pm

Enter your comments here

Ralph

March 24th, 2012
6:41 pm

“When we’re competing for jobs we want guys to put zeroes up there,” Gonzalez said. “But just chalk it up, and when it comes to decision time we’re going to try to go with the best guy that we can.”

Medlen has already won the spot but he isn’t going to get it.

alanfalcon

March 24th, 2012
6:44 pm

Based on what I have seen with our up and coming young pitching stars you can see why other teams are not throwing trade opportunities our way, funny, they know the staff better than Frank !

Zach

March 24th, 2012
6:46 pm

medlen should start!!!!!!!!!!

John A.

March 24th, 2012
6:49 pm

Do the ERA’s of Teheran and Delgado give anyone other than me an indication of what’s in store for the rest of the season? Pastor’s showing coming off the 4-5 yesterday isn’t all that overwhelming either. These guys belong at AAA to acquire some seasoning…..does anyone agree?

double

March 24th, 2012
6:49 pm

Errors & Excuses-Win,place,show.Can this team show any positive hopes for better than 5th.place?

Tim

March 24th, 2012
6:49 pm

We have 3 pitchers in Mike Minor, Brandon Beachy and Tommy Hanson that will be in the rotation that I have confidence in to not go out and blow up. Delgado, Teheran and Jurrjens have all be awful.

Tim

March 24th, 2012
6:51 pm

@Double

The Braves won 9-4 just yesterday.

Ralph

March 24th, 2012
6:54 pm

Medlen should demand a trade, he would be in the first four of the rotation on probably 25 other ML teams

Brava

March 24th, 2012
7:05 pm

It’s very early in the season for Fredi to be exhibiting poor decision-making, but his insistence that Medlen be in the pen is just that. The best starting pitchers should be in the rotation and Delgado and Teheran are not the best the Braves have. Medlen and Martinez are far better pitchers at this point.

Tim

March 24th, 2012
7:30 pm

Well now that Vizcaino is out Fredi has no choice but to keep Medlen in the pen.

Bubba

March 24th, 2012
7:35 pm

Kris Medlen is the guy that deserves the spot in the rotation !

He’s demonstrated in the past what he can do. Why relegate him to the bullpen where he’ll be nothing more than a long reliever when Delgado or Teheran get an early exit !

Wren & Fredi are morons !

WTF is Fredi Thinking

March 24th, 2012
8:02 pm

Why the He** is Kris Medlen not being discussed for the 5th rotation spot. Freddie Gonzalez blows my mind with his inept pitching decisions. Medlen has cleary outpitched everyone in camp except for Minor. It makes no sense that he isn’t being considered for the 5th spot. I do not understand the decisions that the Braves are making this year. I will never give up on the guys on the team, but Gonzalez has lost lost my confidence.

Largo

March 24th, 2012
8:34 pm

I know there are 2-3 people who are having a good spring but can it carry over to the regular season, probably not. So now, what do have? An offense that is, as usual, not very good, starting pitching that is on the way to being just average or worse, a defense that is questionable and a bullpen that probably will be overworked to the extent that it won’t last out the season without arm trouble for the big three. Further, we’re giving 15M to a guy who is scheduled for surgery and who may not play more than 2-3 games a week if and when he does get healthy. Hard to get up for this season.

flagger

March 24th, 2012
8:39 pm

MEDLIN!!!!!!!

RW

March 24th, 2012
8:41 pm

Anyone clamoring for Medlen in the rotation, get a clue. He’s coming off Tommy John surgery, was a spot-starter/reliever before surgery, now you want to stretch him out even more? If his mechanics are the same as they were before surgery, believe me, he belongs in the bullpen. He will just be another injury statistic as a starter. I called Vizacaino, and Medlen has some of the same issues. You have a proven ace in Hudson, the team’s two and three starters could be 1-2 on most teams (Hanson/Jurrjens), Minor is solid as a number four, very good for a five, and Beachy (if he stays healthy all year) is a good number four. Instead of changing Medlen’s role for a month, keep him settled into his relief role, and use the two top prospects for the fifth starter’s spot. That’s what they’re there for, and it’s good to see what they can do.

cowdogit

March 24th, 2012
8:41 pm

Leo Mazzone, Fourteen division titles. Without Leo, Six years no division titles. Leo’s record speaks for it’s self. What kind of idiot can’t understand this.

clint

March 24th, 2012
8:50 pm

Really—can there be doubt now? Who in their right mind would pay good money to see this no-ring circus……w

Caseyatthebat

March 24th, 2012
8:51 pm

MEDLIN! MEDLIN! MEDLIN! The kids aren’t ready yet. No doubt we’ll listen to more Fredi BS.

Caseyatthebat

March 24th, 2012
8:56 pm

RW, Vizcaino don’t make you an expert on the future. I respectfully disagree.

Mister Frisky

March 24th, 2012
9:13 pm

Wren was right.Delgado and Tehran are simply too untouchable to give up to get an all star like Hunter Pence.

JNick

March 24th, 2012
9:20 pm

RW, do you remember when Smoltz came back from TJ surgery, he said he preferred to start so that he’d be on a regular schedule, it was BETTER for his elbow to get consistant work – rather than 2, 3, 4 nights on, maybe 1, 2….6? days off. Fredi never lets his starters go past 6 innings anyway, so Medlen wouldn’t get overused as a starter – but his elbow would get abused in the bullpen, throwing 5 nights a week, warming up one or two other nights….I think YOU need to get a clue.

JNick

March 24th, 2012
9:22 pm

And right now, Jurrjens isn’t pitching like a 1-2 or a 3…or even a 5. He needs to start the season in AAA until he gets his head on straight and gains confidence in his knee, fixes his mechanics, etc.

ragnar danneskjold

March 24th, 2012
9:36 pm

In a rational world the rotation would be Medlin – Minor – Beachy – Hanson – Jurrjens, in that order. Christian Martinez does just fine in long relief. Get Delgado and Tehran one more year of seasoning.

john cocktosen

March 24th, 2012
9:41 pm

Let’s not forget Wren is the guy who brought Albert Belle to the O’s. For us he has paid too much for marginal free agents, totally mishandled the Glavine/Smoltz situations and now is determined to show he’s the boss by forcing Medlin to the pen. Starting to see a pattern of poor decisions here.

Schuerholz, here’s an idea: hire Bobby Cox as GM. He saved this franchise once, he can do it again.

JAFO

March 24th, 2012
9:45 pm

Didnt wren say heyward had to ‘errrrrrrrn’ a roster spot? Now he’s the backup cf by default.

bobbymahlon

March 24th, 2012
9:54 pm

Just because Medlin is not 6 foot + tall without a 95mph + fast ball does not mean he cannot be a winner up here. Lets compare his stats thus far with the rest of the staff and figure where he stands. What is wrong with the big brass with this team ?

JNick

March 24th, 2012
9:57 pm

Neither is Jurrjens, but they have some kind of love affair with him…

JNick

March 24th, 2012
9:58 pm

Gonzalez…Delgado..Teheran…Medlen.

One of these names is not like the otherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr….

DC

March 24th, 2012
10:22 pm

I really think that Bobby Cox will be back sooner rather than later,either as Manager if they crash & burn early and drop out of contention by June 15,or as General Manager .

Disgusted

March 24th, 2012
10:22 pm

The reason why Medlen is not going to be a starter is because of the 21st century focus on strikeouts, FIP, and some of the other garbage sabermetric numbers that the people of today are infatuated with.

The game is no longer about just winning and getting the job done. Every play and pitch has to have a geekey mathematical equation behind it with ficticious numbers that most baseball fans want nothing to do with.

And no wonder that baseball is behind football in National popularity. Hence, that is why I am disgusted.

Teheran can go 2-15 with a 6 ERA and some sabermetric apologist will find a way to look at his upside.

Bill James and some of his cronies are worse then steriods as far as I am concerned.

DC

March 24th, 2012
10:26 pm

Also,wouldn’t be surprised if Leo comes back sometime this season,what with his 680 duties being reduced by his own request. He seems to want to get back to the game.

ATLcracker

March 24th, 2012
10:32 pm

Do we know who decided Cristhian Martinez is not a starter and why?

Disgusted

March 24th, 2012
10:33 pm

I don’t think that we are getting a Leo or Bobby Cox reunion.

With the way pitchers are looked at today, would Tim Hudson, Maddux or Glavine even get a shot this day in time.

It seems like all they care about is strikeouts and 95 plus mph fastballs. There are other ways to measure talent and getting guys out.

bruce

March 24th, 2012
10:50 pm

Kris Medlin. (period)

bruce

March 24th, 2012
10:51 pm

not rooting against Delgado nor Teheran, but it appears at this point neither is ready, Medlin is, so an extra roster spot is open for other needs to start the season.

The Great Falconi

March 24th, 2012
11:07 pm

I see a July fire-sale in Atlanta, with Bourn, Jurrjens and possibly Hudson dealt to contenders with prospects …

faux positive

March 24th, 2012
11:11 pm

wow!!! the dynamic duo of Delgado and Tehren are fantistic. They do pitch better than I do, but I’m an old man. Medlin continues to want to pitch and the honchos FG and FW believe he should be in the bullpen. I know that they are right after all lok at the great baseball we’ve had the past several years. Now with Chipper out for surgery, we’ ve lost the only real player, except for occasional flashes from McCann. Optomisin reuns deep with the Braves. The team still doesn’t have a shortstop, but that’s no problem, maybe cobined they’ll hit .250. It’s like the old abbott and costello skit “whose on first, I don’t know but he’s in left field, whose playing shortstop, Idon’t know, whose on short. Where’s Heyward?, I don’t know maybe he’s playing centerfield, if he can even play. Do you get the feeling the team is already going down the toilet and it hasn’t even begun. remember the 1962 Mets?

Largo

March 24th, 2012
11:22 pm

This crap about Leo being so great. With the pitchers he had, they didn’t even need a pitching coach. He cratered in Baltimore, was no help at all. The ERA was out of sight while he was there.

phil

March 24th, 2012
11:42 pm

JNick

March 24th, 2012
11:54 pm

Hudson is a 10-5 guy and would veto any trade. And can anyone spell Medlen properly?

Disgusted, I agree with you…

Amber

March 25th, 2012
12:14 am

1. I’m tired of hearing excuses. 2. It’s MedLEN, guys.

JNick

March 25th, 2012
3:02 am

Thanks for backing me up Amber :)

Chipper's ACL

March 25th, 2012
6:16 am

Both of the stud youngsters have had a rough spring and FG won’t consider Medlen for the rotation? Somethings not right in Braves camp.

steve whitmire

March 25th, 2012
6:55 am

gonna be a long boring losing summer. I love Chipper, I’m a huge Chipper fan, but he’ll be lucky to play 90 games. Or less. Maybe next year, with his salary available we can pick up a big bat and get back to .500 ball but this year, coming off last year’s late season epic collapse I reluctantly join the naysayers and think 100 losses here we come.

MikeY

March 25th, 2012
8:26 am

I agree, make Medlin the fill-in starter till Huddy comes back. And decide May 1 which of the 5 starters is not cutting it. Keep Johan Flande as the added guy in the bullpen, he’s earned it this spring. That would give us a bullpen of O’Ventbrel, Martinez, Gearrin, Asencio, and Flande.

And on the position players side, with Hinske as LF, looks like Diaz, Ross, and Jack Wilson are locks (tho Diaz and Ross have not hit this spring). Looks like Parraz, Durango, Constanza, and Sutton are fighting it out for the last 2 spots. Constanza has not hit this spring and Durango has been lights out, so if we need a true CF type, I’d pick Durango over Constanza.

looking ahead

March 25th, 2012
10:01 am

with Chipper, Hudson, & Bourn gone after this season, and McCann likely gone after 2013, Frank Wren or his replacement will have much work to do to keep the Braves competitive with the Phillies, Nats & Marlins.

Preston Hannitized

March 25th, 2012
10:01 am

Message to Fredi — it doesn’t mean anything if your pitchers put up zeroes if your offense is putting up zeroes as well. What a pathetic offensive showing. And the Braves put out their starters – look at the spring training batting averages in the box scores. Freeman, Heyward, McCann … It is a team wide disaster. Are we really going into the season with Matt Diaz … He is hitting about a buck sixty. It is only spring training but only someone as generally obtuse as Frank Wren can think that this team is showing any reason to expect they can contend.

The pitching is suspect – Jurggens is a head case. Hanson and Hudson are coming off injuries. Medlin – if his arm is up to it – should be in the mix. Teheran and Delgado aren’t ready.

It is a bit to early for crepe hanging but honesty compels me to conclude that the Braves are going into 2012 with their worst roster of the century.

Thank the baseball gods for the Phillies injuries and the Mets mess but the Marlins and Nats are younger and hungrier. Long year on Hank Aaron drive.

tim

March 25th, 2012
10:09 am

FG must be the first blind manager in the history of MLB,because he never seems to see anything that’
s going on. I love my Braves and will support the players and skipper whom ever they my be,but this is getting more difficult everyday. I am willing to bet FG does not make it to the All Star break,this is a bad ball club that will be hard pressed to finish at .500

Carolina Gent

March 25th, 2012
10:41 am

Obviously Medlen is looking better and better in comparison to Teheran and Delgado. But what bothers me just as much is the team’s consistent lack of run production. Shades of October all over again!

Ralph

March 25th, 2012
10:48 am

tim
March 25th, 2012
10:09 am

Fredi G is Bobby Jr, not likely they will fire him though, if they got a real manager they would have to pay him plus pay Fredi at the same time.

Ralph

March 25th, 2012
10:56 am

looking ahead
March 25th, 2012
10:01 am after 2013, Frank Wren or his replacement will have much work to do to keep the Braves competitive with the Phillies, Nats & Marlins

They will have much more work to do to make them competative this year.

MikeY

March 25th, 2012
10:57 am

To ATLcracker (is that you, Steve?), Martinez was once a minor-league starter (106 starts), and I think that if stretched out he could again be a spot starter.

Charlie

March 25th, 2012
10:59 am

The two phenoms aren’t ready for MLB. Clearly that’s been proven, Spring Training, or not. Medlen is the best choice, but because Fredi and Franki didn’t have that as their original idea, they can’t go that way.
(Fredi and Franki Wren are the two best examples of “The Peter Principle” in baseball today…they have both risen to their level of incompetence.)
Thanks, too, Franki, for keeping this team of chokers in tact, over the wnter. At best the Braves of 2012 are a 4th place East finisher. Perhaps then, both Fredi and Franki will be disposed of.

Ralph

March 25th, 2012
11:05 am

No matter who Wren and Fruti put on the 25 man roster it is a certainty not all of us will agree with it but it is a certainty all of us will agree that it is wrong.

GOP Cannon

March 25th, 2012
11:23 am

Again, I don’t know what Fredi G’s fixation is with the 5th spot in the rotation coming down to these two guys. Medlen has clearly had the better spring and is the best option to start the season.

With Medlen in the 5th spot, I would put either Delgado or Teheran in the long relief role and then send the other back to Triple A.

jim

March 25th, 2012
11:26 am

As projected, the April 5th starter will get 2-3 starts before Hudson’s return. The projected rotation after that is expected to be Hudson, Hanson, JJ, Beachy, and Minor. If JJ continues to suck by that time, then the Medlen to the rotation campaign becomes more compelling. Right now, Medlen is not the mop up guy in the pen, but one of four people who will be used in close late-inning spots (if we get many of those this year). Moving him to the rotation, short of a trade, means we again have only 3 dependable late-inning relievers to overuse again this season. Medlen has a role that should be as valuable, or more so, than his role as a starter.

jim

March 25th, 2012
11:28 am

By the way, whatever happended to Fish?

TOMY FOURNIER

March 25th, 2012
12:28 pm

BE HONEST…WE DO NOT HAVE GOOD STARTING PITCHER, SS THIRD BASE…WE DON’T HAVE NOBODY TO COMPETE…FROM THE BEGINING, THIS IS THE REALITY…ATLANTA WILL BE A PRETENDER…NEVER…AND I SAYING “NEVER” WILL BE A CONTENDER IN THIS COMING SEASON…OK????…DON’T COUNT WITH “MIRACLES”…UFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF…ANOTHER TRASH YEAR!!!

Big Muddy

March 25th, 2012
1:22 pm

Yesterday was my 7th spring training game. Braves lost all 7 and did not look good in any of them.Only life I saw was provided by Turdoslovich and Betencort neither of whom are on the roster today. Lineup with Hinske in left, Wilson at second and Diaz in right is simply not major league stuff. Diaz lost a fly ball because A: no sun glasses and B:looking into crowd before the pitch and seemingly to not give a Damned. Team has no spirit (was good to see Gene Garber) and very limited talent – worse than the days of Rick Camp and Pocoroba but in those days we had ostrich races, greyhound races and $0.50 Wed beer in the bleachers. This team as currently structured and managed will be lucky to win 70 games – worse than the original Mets. The SI rating is probably close but maybe too high. DOB and Schultz will be sorely tested to spin this group Cheers

Disgusted

March 25th, 2012
2:02 pm

“Hudson is a 10-5 guy and would veto any trade. And can anyone spell Medlen properly?”

J-Nick–I would hope that Tim would veto any trade, he is one of those part of the solution not part of the roblem guys. I will trust that he will be right when he is ready to get back more than some of these kids right now. And that is not a knock on the kids like Teheran and Delgado, they don’t look ready.

Now, lets say if the Braves are tean out at the trade deadline and there is a contending team that wants Hudson, could something be done in that scenario?

You never know.

There is one kid who looks ready right now and that is Minor and we still have not seen what he can do over a full season. I like what I see but……?????

Anyway, that is why they play the season. Just get to a few games everybody if you can afford it. Even if its 2 or 3 games more than what u did last yr, lets give LM a better reason to spend more.

3 million, come on we can do it.

Mister Frisky

March 25th, 2012
2:13 pm

I agree with Big Muddy.The thought of Wilson,Die Azz,and Hinske on the field at the same time makes me wanna puke.Blow this minor league team up and start anew.By 2020 they might be able to contend.

mpimentel

March 25th, 2012
3:49 pm

and our GM did’t want to trade them because “they are prospect” … I bet that only beachy and minor will survive in major league baseball…NOW THE VALUE TRADE OF: JJ, HANSON, VIZCAINO,TEHJERAN, DELGADO are droop off who will want to make any cheap trade with us…FRANK WREN AND FREDDI NEEDS TO GO AWAY…geeezzzz

mpimentel

March 25th, 2012
3:50 pm

wren is an absolut idiot

wayn-o

March 25th, 2012
4:06 pm

What’s the point of stretching out MEDLEN to keep him in the bullpen. He has to start, it’s pointless to bring him in for 5 innings after the game is blown out!!!

Reality

March 25th, 2012
4:25 pm

Yeah, Tim Hudson is a 10 & 5 guy, who happens to be in the last year of his contract.

If the Yankees or Red Sox come a calling in July, do you think Huddy would entertain the chance of going to a World Series ; or stick around Atlanta to finish in 4th place?

Hmm.

cowdogit

March 25th, 2012
4:39 pm

Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz never broke down because of Mazzone’s tough workout rules. Leo was at baltimore only one year. Nobody could turn that pathetic pitching staff around in one year.

RW

March 25th, 2012
5:28 pm

@JNick: How many times did Smoltz go on the DL for arm troubles? How many of those times happened while he was a reliever? Not sure I’d cite John Smoltz on how to keep an arm healthy anyway. The same mechanics that caused his injuries are similar to what caused Medlen’s and Vizcaino’s. It’s what will cause Beachy’s as well. Craig Kimbrell has the same mechanical issues too, but is helped by being a reliever (less stress, obv). By the way, the two in competition for the fifth spot, Delgado and Teheran, have much better mechanics and are much more likely to stay healthy. In fact, even though I said Vizcaino would need surgery, I’ll predict that Teheran’s soreness actually won’t amount to anything.

Those are just the health reasons for Medlen staying in the pen. How about the strategic side? We overused O’Ventbrel last year, so Medlen will be very valuable out of the pen in close and late spots to spare those three a little. He’s too important a piece of the bullpen to be jerking around from starter back to reliever. Define his role now and leave him there, where he belongs.

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