That bench looks kinda RH to me with Hinske starting games in LF and I’m hearing that is the plan unless they can acquire someone and just because they are looking doesn’t mean it will happen. From what I’m reading not one player satisfies any fan unless his name is Pujols
he’s not terrible but I think they would want more than he is likely worth to us since he is just in his third year. otherwise why would they trade him when he is cheap and hits good there?
I doubt it’s that high considering what we gave up for Bourn. I know that is a different scenario, but we tend to overrate these things. Parra isn’t starting in AZ.
We just need some power production from our outfield….i dont care who it is, just someone who can hit the long ball. We need more consistent power other than our 2nd base position and 1st base position. I mean as our outfield is constructed now, unless heyward comes back to form, its basically a power outage out there.
120,133 and 141 games last three seasons, unless something has changed that I missed-which is certainly possible-it looks like they are working him into full time
I fully believe that Heyward will turn it around this year. That gives us him, Freeman, Uggla, McCann, Chipper when he returns, and to a certain degree Prado, as guys who can hit for power on varying levels.
Sometimes it’s about the trades that you don’t make. If the right acquisition could be made, it would have been. I’m glad we didn’t trade pitching with all of these injuries.
lack of funds and counting on bouncebacks from several players
not saying that I’m thrilled with the approach but I called it b4 the winter even started
I’m definitely nervous about the season, but I’m not mad that they didn’t make a major trade or signing. Philly is trending downward, and although Miami and DC look good, they are far from proven.
The one that should have been made, and i think even Wren himself would agree with now, is Cody Ross….I dont think anyone could dispute this now. Should have been made way early in the offseason. IF we are that cheap we can’t spend a few million on a player that will hit .260 and 15-20 HRs then no wonder we can’t put butt’s in seats. Even if chipper hadn’t gone done, Ross would have been great insurance incase heyward does repeat his performance from last year…Sorry to beat a dead horse
Loved the statement made by Prado where he says sometimes you go all in with your money. Then he said he’s going all in. Martin, I’ll take some of that action. That’s an easy way to lose everything you have going “all in” with this flawed team. Then one of the players (I think it was Heyward) said that the NL East was gonna beat up on each other. Holy dog crap! Did the NL East just turn into SEC football? I know that’s not what he meant, but it still sounds funny to hear a baseball player talk about beating on anyone.
Agrred sure would have…when i saw him become a FA i thought for sure that would have been a lock for wren to sign, considering he fit every category wren “said he was looking for”
I think that’s a bit of a cop-out. Unfortunately Atlanta hasn’t exactly been a rabid sports city. When we were winning the division every year, they still weren’t selling out playoff games.
Philly will be tough, but they are as vulnerable as it gets right now. I don’t think Howard will play this year, and sadly for him, Utley might not ever be the same.
Guys like Byrd or Venable bring something Durango and Constanza don’t and that’s a little power. So I don’t see where they’d trade any sort of talent for similar types they already have in camp. See what I’m sayin?
And Constanza is hitting .161 this spring so he is definitely not in the running for the last outfield spot on the big league squad, that’s between durango and parraz, unless a trade is made. Constanza is bound for Gwinnett.
Well I still don’t see where a tight budget team and an even tighter bunch when it comes to trading talent would trade for what is for what they feel easily could be that’s already in camp. Ya know
I understand that, but we’re not exactly dealing with sure things right now. I wouldn’t do something stupid like trade Medlen, but I’d at least ask about Parra.
cop out? just a statement of fact with no ulterior motive. I am definitely not interested in all the silly attendance discussions that sweep across the board periodically laying all else to waste….
Owl Hunter, we’ll see. I see them getting somebody now that Chipper is out. They know how risky it is anytime CJ is hurt or has a surgery. He might not come back at all. I hope not, that’d e depressing for me, but they hae to think that way I’d think.
I wonder if Shuerholz, Wren and those top dudes are secretly concerend with JHey right now? nolie is right, it’d be one of the bigger busts a long while. How’d the Braves explain that one?
kinda odd that Byrd plays Cf @ 6′ 245 pounds. that’s a lot of stumpy weight and half the blof would regularly flog him for “obesity”
Nolee what you have to take into consideration is body fat %. Have you ever noticed fat people don’t sink? That if they go SCUBA diving they have to strap on 40 pounds of weights or more to get under the water. Lean people like Heyward will sink withought an extra pound on him. Muscle is dense, muscle is strength, muscle make other body parts work in unison. Fat is the weak link in the chain.
A big fat gut cannot connect an upper body, buttocks and thighs. You get people who run a 5.4 to first base.
It’s just a complete mystery, this revulsion of well conditioned athletes in basebball. It’s like well, basketball players work their ass off and you can’t recognize the game from 20 years ago. Is this good ? Not from an intertainment viewpoint.
What do you think the results of this years Super Bowl would be against the champs 20 years ago? It would be like the pros playing the NCAA team. Obliteration.
Conditioning is what changed those things. Those that ride the crest of the wave and make their bodies into the max they can will be at the top until goobers like slouthful Braves decide to join the game played in 2012.
This team is so pathetic with the bats and I blame most if this on the minor league system who obviously don’t preach hitting to all fields and the plate discipline. Freeman is a rare breed of young brave hitters who gets it, but even he likes to swing early and often at times. Yeah bring in a pull, lift and separate vet like Uggla to have the youth follow. That’ll change the philosophy.
Mentioning Heyward as a possible bust…. I don’t see Jim nearly reaching the potential that was projected of him two years ago. For one he can’t stay healthy and two, he strikes me as a difficult teach. Could be another Francoeur without the defense and arm.
I know for sure that the Babe was not all muscle yet he mighta been the best hitter and pitcher in history including 130 some triples. I just do not agree that being somewhat overweight makes much difference in baseball.
ok I looked him up. I was right about the 300 pounds, they said that after the 2011 season Byrd began practicing Muay Thai and started a new diet, he has lost 40 pounds and expects to have his best season yet in 2012. lost 40 pounds from where is the question
nolie, every time I’ve disagreed with you, about baseball, I’ve been wrong. So, you’re probably right once again – based on history.
But I find it hard to believe.
Reading today’s blog will undoubtedly give me nightmares tonight remembering what most of the off-season here was like – I look forward to retaking control tomorrow…
been judging hgt and wgt for players over 40 years. prolly the stockiest CFer I ever remember seeing at one time. Hopefully he has lost 40 pounds this winter
Tom – started with re-hashing when to use relievers – then much commentary on trades – and how the Chipper injury has changed everything or made no difference (with the occasional moron to spice it up)…
Learning that Chipper tore his meniscus doing on-field stretching makes me afraid for Michael Bourn. While I was down at spring training, I saw a trainer just working over a player down in shallow right field before the game. He had this guy all pretzeled-up, was leaning on him, stretching legs over his head, down onto the field on each side, a major stretch job. I kept watching til the player got up and saw it was Bourn. I couldn’t have walked after that “help”, much less play 9 innings.
2,256 comments Add your comment
Billy
March 26th, 2012
7:34 pm
That bench looks kinda RH to me with Hinske starting games in LF and I’m hearing that is the plan unless they can acquire someone and just because they are looking doesn’t mean it will happen. From what I’m reading not one player satisfies any fan unless his name is Pujols
noleee
March 26th, 2012
7:34 pm
those numbers are kinda meaningless considering where he hits ncb
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
7:35 pm
Billy
Good one on the Pujols line. Most players have flaws. We have to learn how to maximize the positives.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
7:36 pm
another ass heard from
ncbravesfan90
March 26th, 2012
7:38 pm
Noleee, not really…..
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Home 68 203 29 62 9 6 3 19 23 36 4 1 .305 .380 .453 .833
Away 73 242 26 68 11 2 5 27 20 46 11 0 .281 .337 .405 .742
More homeruns on the road and more rbi’s…the other averages are similar
noleee
March 26th, 2012
7:40 pm
he hits 795 at home and 680 on the road so far,,not sure why you think those are close
ncbravesfan90
March 26th, 2012
7:41 pm
Where are those numbers coming from?
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
7:42 pm
Parra’s bat is not ideal, but his defense is. He could fill in for a month or so while Chipper is out.
ncbravesfan90
March 26th, 2012
7:42 pm
I was just looking at last year when he really broke out with the diamondbacks…wasn’t looking at career
noleee
March 26th, 2012
7:43 pm
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=parrage01&year=Career&t=b
career home/away splits
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
7:43 pm
ncbraves
Noleee’s numbers are correct. Check out baseball reference
brian
March 26th, 2012
7:44 pm
Parra has a high price tag right now
noleee
March 26th, 2012
7:46 pm
he’s not terrible but I think they would want more than he is likely worth to us since he is just in his third year. otherwise why would they trade him when he is cheap and hits good there?
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
7:47 pm
brian
I doubt it’s that high considering what we gave up for Bourn. I know that is a different scenario, but we tend to overrate these things. Parra isn’t starting in AZ.
ncbravesfan90
March 26th, 2012
7:49 pm
We just need some power production from our outfield….i dont care who it is, just someone who can hit the long ball. We need more consistent power other than our 2nd base position and 1st base position. I mean as our outfield is constructed now, unless heyward comes back to form, its basically a power outage out there.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
7:50 pm
120,133 and 141 games last three seasons, unless something has changed that I missed-which is certainly possible-it looks like they are working him into full time
noleee
March 26th, 2012
7:52 pm
we were third in homers last season ,and that was in a neutral park, not many folks believe that lack of power is the biggest problem
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
7:54 pm
noleee
Correct! Power isn’t the problem. It’s getting on base, and reversing whatever Parrish did last season.
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
7:59 pm
I fully believe that Heyward will turn it around this year. That gives us him, Freeman, Uggla, McCann, Chipper when he returns, and to a certain degree Prado, as guys who can hit for power on varying levels.
ncbravesfan90
March 26th, 2012
8:01 pm
“Correct!Power isn’t the problem. It’s getting on base, and reversing whatever Parrish did last season.”
Yet we made no acquistion this offseason…
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:02 pm
ncbravesfan
Sometimes it’s about the trades that you don’t make. If the right acquisition could be made, it would have been. I’m glad we didn’t trade pitching with all of these injuries.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:03 pm
lack of funds and counting on bouncebacks from several players
not saying that I’m thrilled with the approach but I called it b4 the winter even started
Bravefaninok
March 26th, 2012
8:03 pm
Yet we made no acquistion this offseason…
Walker/Fletcher were brought in to fix that.
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:05 pm
I’m definitely nervous about the season, but I’m not mad that they didn’t make a major trade or signing. Philly is trending downward, and although Miami and DC look good, they are far from proven.
ncbravesfan90
March 26th, 2012
8:06 pm
The one that should have been made, and i think even Wren himself would agree with now, is Cody Ross….I dont think anyone could dispute this now. Should have been made way early in the offseason. IF we are that cheap we can’t spend a few million on a player that will hit .260 and 15-20 HRs then no wonder we can’t put butt’s in seats. Even if chipper hadn’t gone done, Ross would have been great insurance incase heyward does repeat his performance from last year…Sorry to beat a dead horse
Jerry
March 26th, 2012
8:07 pm
Loved the statement made by Prado where he says sometimes you go all in with your money. Then he said he’s going all in. Martin, I’ll take some of that action. That’s an easy way to lose everything you have going “all in” with this flawed team. Then one of the players (I think it was Heyward) said that the NL East was gonna beat up on each other. Holy dog crap! Did the NL East just turn into SEC football? I know that’s not what he meant, but it still sounds funny to hear a baseball player talk about beating on anyone.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:07 pm
I think Philly is gonna be fairly tough again. their starters are likely to keep them close until they heal.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:09 pm
yeah a lot of us would have liked to see them sign Ross.even b4 hindsight kicked in
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:10 pm
ncbravesfan
I don’t think Cody Ross is putting any butts in the seats. They were smart not to pay him. His production can be found elsewhere.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:11 pm
unfortunately nobody they can afford is putting butts in the seats
Samantha
March 26th, 2012
8:11 pm
Just popping in to say hi and see if noleee still scared of me?
ncbravesfan90
March 26th, 2012
8:12 pm
Nolee
Agrred sure would have…when i saw him become a FA i thought for sure that would have been a lock for wren to sign, considering he fit every category wren “said he was looking for”
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:15 pm
noleee
I think that’s a bit of a cop-out. Unfortunately Atlanta hasn’t exactly been a rabid sports city. When we were winning the division every year, they still weren’t selling out playoff games.
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:16 pm
Philly will be tough, but they are as vulnerable as it gets right now. I don’t think Howard will play this year, and sadly for him, Utley might not ever be the same.
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:21 pm
I caan also see Hamels contract situation being a distracion, but that’s more wishful thinking than anything.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
March 26th, 2012
8:22 pm
Guys like Byrd or Venable bring something Durango and Constanza don’t and that’s a little power. So I don’t see where they’d trade any sort of talent for similar types they already have in camp. See what I’m sayin?
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:24 pm
ChattTown
The difference is that Durango and Constanza are not proven at the ML level. Constanza was hot for a month, and that’s it.
ncbravesfan90
March 26th, 2012
8:29 pm
And Constanza is hitting .161 this spring so he is definitely not in the running for the last outfield spot on the big league squad, that’s between durango and parraz, unless a trade is made. Constanza is bound for Gwinnett.
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:31 pm
It’s still unbeleivable that people acted like Constanza was destined for Cooperstown, and that we should’ve released Heyward last summer.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
March 26th, 2012
8:32 pm
Well I still don’t see where a tight budget team and an even tighter bunch when it comes to trading talent would trade for what is for what they feel easily could be that’s already in camp. Ya know
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:35 pm
ChattTown
I understand that, but we’re not exactly dealing with sure things right now. I wouldn’t do something stupid like trade Medlen, but I’d at least ask about Parra.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:41 pm
cop out? just a statement of fact with no ulterior motive. I am definitely not interested in all the silly attendance discussions that sweep across the board periodically laying all else to waste….
Efrim
March 26th, 2012
8:42 pm
So, Heyward’s numbers aren’t great after this last week’s worth of games. He was looking good at one point. Sure hope he turns it around this year.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:43 pm
Parra is not a sure thing either and we’d have to pay to get him. could easily be another Melky situation in the Ted`
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
March 26th, 2012
8:47 pm
Owl Hunter, we’ll see. I see them getting somebody now that Chipper is out. They know how risky it is anytime CJ is hurt or has a surgery. He might not come back at all. I hope not, that’d e depressing for me, but they hae to think that way I’d think.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:48 pm
If Hey flames out it will be one of the bigger miscalls in a long time
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:52 pm
damn and we coulda had Pujols. he was there for the plucking…
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:55 pm
I’d like us to get Byrd, but I’m afraid of the cost.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:55 pm
if only Jason really liked playing baseball
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
8:57 pm
noleee
Hahaha!
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:57 pm
kinda odd that Byrd plays Cf @ 6′ 245 pounds. that’s a lot of stumpy weight and half the blof would regularly flog him for “obesity”
noleee
March 26th, 2012
8:58 pm
blog not blof
Owl Hunter
March 26th, 2012
9:12 pm
noleee
I thought that, too, but he’s been doing it.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
March 26th, 2012
9:48 pm
Jason cares about Jay-Z and Kanye and not his game.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
March 26th, 2012
9:52 pm
I wonder if Shuerholz, Wren and those top dudes are secretly concerend with JHey right now? nolie is right, it’d be one of the bigger busts a long while. How’d the Braves explain that one?
keyLargo
March 26th, 2012
10:11 pm
kinda odd that Byrd plays Cf @ 6′ 245 pounds. that’s a lot of stumpy weight and half the blof would regularly flog him for “obesity”
Nolee what you have to take into consideration is body fat %. Have you ever noticed fat people don’t sink? That if they go SCUBA diving they have to strap on 40 pounds of weights or more to get under the water. Lean people like Heyward will sink withought an extra pound on him. Muscle is dense, muscle is strength, muscle make other body parts work in unison. Fat is the weak link in the chain.
A big fat gut cannot connect an upper body, buttocks and thighs. You get people who run a 5.4 to first base.
It’s just a complete mystery, this revulsion of well conditioned athletes in basebball. It’s like well, basketball players work their ass off and you can’t recognize the game from 20 years ago. Is this good ? Not from an intertainment viewpoint.
What do you think the results of this years Super Bowl would be against the champs 20 years ago? It would be like the pros playing the NCAA team. Obliteration.
Conditioning is what changed those things. Those that ride the crest of the wave and make their bodies into the max they can will be at the top until goobers like slouthful Braves decide to join the game played in 2012.
Michael
March 26th, 2012
10:24 pm
This team is so pathetic with the bats and I blame most if this on the minor league system who obviously don’t preach hitting to all fields and the plate discipline. Freeman is a rare breed of young brave hitters who gets it, but even he likes to swing early and often at times. Yeah bring in a pull, lift and separate vet like Uggla to have the youth follow. That’ll change the philosophy.
Michael
March 26th, 2012
10:26 pm
Mentioning Heyward as a possible bust…. I don’t see Jim nearly reaching the potential that was projected of him two years ago. For one he can’t stay healthy and two, he strikes me as a difficult teach. Could be another Francoeur without the defense and arm.
cabravesfan
March 26th, 2012
10:27 pm
A lot of the guys on this team did not actually come up in the Braves minor league system.
Couch Tater
March 26th, 2012
10:27 pm
half the blof would regularly flog him for “obesity”
Foggy blog floggers are blurred by Byrd’s blubber.
blog not blof
David O'Brien
March 26th, 2012
10:29 pm
Beer Geek: Thanks for the page views. Now run along.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
10:48 pm
so how do we know all that 245 pounds is muscle?
noleee
March 26th, 2012
10:52 pm
I know for sure that the Babe was not all muscle yet he mighta been the best hitter and pitcher in history including 130 some triples. I just do not agree that being somewhat overweight makes much difference in baseball.
ATLBrave
March 26th, 2012
10:54 pm
DOB
do you think there is a legit chance the Braves will make a move before next Thursday?
noleee
March 26th, 2012
10:56 pm
many of the greatest athletes ever drafted in Baseball have been failures
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
10:58 pm
Marlon Byrd’s 245 is probably a typo on BB Ref. He’s only 6′ 0. Maybe it’s supposed to be 215.
Venice Jim
March 26th, 2012
10:59 pm
Just saw a lengthy promo for Dark Shadows – looks like fun…
Venice Jim
March 26th, 2012
11:00 pm
I hate it when I get a Posting comments too quickly when cab uses her “Tom O’Hawke” pseudonym…
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:00 pm
I don’t think so Tom, he is a very stocky guy
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:03 pm
I remember hearing that he was up around 300 pounds during one of his rehabs.
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:04 pm
nolee, think about it. Only 6 ft tall and playing CF, at his advanced age, weighing 245?
I, seriously, doubt it.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:06 pm
I have thought about it To, which is why I brought it up, I have not seen him in a coupla years but three or four years he was playing Cf and was huge
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:08 pm
OK, who has Marlon’s phone number & address (and a bathroom scale)?
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:08 pm
3 or 4 years ago
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:11 pm
ok I looked him up. I was right about the 300 pounds, they said that after the 2011 season Byrd began practicing Muay Thai and started a new diet, he has lost 40 pounds and expects to have his best season yet in 2012. lost 40 pounds from where is the question
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:12 pm
trade for him now. I’d offer Mitchell and Dentz and Lou/Earl and $50 thou
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:13 pm
nolie, every time I’ve disagreed with you, about baseball, I’ve been wrong. So, you’re probably right once again – based on history.
But I find it hard to believe.
Venice Jim
March 26th, 2012
11:14 pm
Reading today’s blog will undoubtedly give me nightmares tonight remembering what most of the off-season here was like – I look forward to retaking control tomorrow…
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:15 pm
I found this on the Cubs’ site, but I don’t know if his physical stats are current:
Status: Active
Full Name: Marlon Jerrard Byrd Born: 8/30/1977 in Boynton Beach, FL
Bats/Throws: R/R HT: 6′0” WT: 215
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:16 pm
VJ
I didn’t see today’s blog. Good stuff?
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:17 pm
maybe it is current and that includes the 40 pounds he just lost. I’m damn sure he didn’y lose 40 pounds from 1 215 pound beginning
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:19 pm
ESPN’s stats have him listed at 245! That’s probably more up-to-date. (I’m wrong again – so what else is new?)
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:21 pm
been judging hgt and wgt for players over 40 years. prolly the stockiest CFer I ever remember seeing at one time. Hopefully he has lost 40 pounds this winter
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:21 pm
I don’t want that LOAD playing for the Braves!
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:22 pm
Oh goody a new Alcatraz epi. :gringrin:
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:24 pm
along with a new Castle. ecstasy abounds
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:25 pm
I’ve always been a bit of a fan of his
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:25 pm
McFann would like to have Byrd playing for the Braves.
Byrd’s weight may detour some of the fat comments away from a certain someone.
cabravesfan
March 26th, 2012
11:28 pm
Hi “Tom”
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
March 26th, 2012
11:28 pm
Byrd will be a Brave come opening day. Braves are seriously worried about Chipper now and don’t want to have to rely on a Diaz/Hinske combo in LF.
Joachim Gilman
March 26th, 2012
11:28 pm
Raspberry Beret
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:29 pm
like they say. they ain’t athletes theys baseball players…
Venice Jim
March 26th, 2012
11:30 pm
Tom – started with re-hashing when to use relievers – then much commentary on trades – and how the Chipper injury has changed everything or made no difference (with the occasional moron to spice it up)…
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:30 pm
Byrd is making 6.5 mil so Chitown would need to eat at least half maybe, what would they want back to do that?
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
March 26th, 2012
11:31 pm
Hate when people come on here and act like they have all this secret access to the teams plans. Get real!
Choppinmama
March 26th, 2012
11:31 pm
Learning that Chipper tore his meniscus doing on-field stretching makes me afraid for Michael Bourn. While I was down at spring training, I saw a trainer just working over a player down in shallow right field before the game. He had this guy all pretzeled-up, was leaning on him, stretching legs over his head, down onto the field on each side, a major stretch job. I kept watching til the player got up and saw it was Bourn. I couldn’t have walked after that “help”, much less play 9 innings.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:32 pm
personally i think he is better than what they will end up getting if anybody at all
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
March 26th, 2012
11:32 pm
Delgado and a lower level kid somewhere?
Tom O'Hawke
March 26th, 2012
11:33 pm
Good evening, LAdy!
VJ, I didn’t really read any of the posts, earlier, but I did skim through some of them. I noticed Shaun’s name quite often.
“Re-hashing”, immediately, came to my mind.
noleee
March 26th, 2012
11:34 pm
I think there are some studies now hinting that it is easier to get hurt stretching than if you just warm into your exercise