10:23 am March 23, 2012, by David O'Brien
March 25th, 201211:28 pm
It is not a secret Joey T is headed to AAA He told me personally. Also it is no secret here in ST, not on a blog, that Wren is beating the bushes, even before Chippers announcement and injury.
March 25th, 201211:30 pm
Wren has had dialogue with Damon, but the hang up is Damon wants guaranteed playing time
March 25th, 201211:33 pm
I was going to post her Bridge but I won’t. That’s Johnny and Elvis. Always will be.
March 25th, 201211:35 pm
Jason Stark says the Braves are also looking for infield depth and might be interested in Ryan Theriot who the Giants are looking to trade.
March 25th, 201211:44 pm
Well I am at the bar after checking back into Omni Orlando Resort at ChampionsGate and will pass along anything I hear tonight or tomorrow, most likely tomorrow. Plus no game tomorrow.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
March 25th, 201211:50 pm
Braves are looking for infield and outfield depth because beyond Ross and Hinske, the rest of the bench is unimpressive.
March 25th, 201211:51 pm
Do you actually need this or you just playin?
March 25th, 201211:55 pm
It’s not his flippin’ birthday!!!
March 25th, 201211:57 pm
Elvis just owns . . . .
I was gonna bring up the Indians Shelly Duncan until Grady Sizemore got hurt. Dude is an experienced big leaguer, 6-5 right handed power bat, plays LF and 1st base primarily as a back up. That and he’s an improvement over anybody else in the outfield beyond Eric Hinske.
March 26th, 201212:01 am
March 26th, 201212:04 am
I wish I had posted that one first.
March 26th, 201212:07 am
Ryan Theriot rolled an ankle earlier in spring training and just got back on the field. I’m not sure how this affects his status with the Giants.
March 26th, 201212:13 am
I believe the Braves are going to do much better than many of you think!
March 26th, 201212:40 am
if they are beating the bushes , it is for cheap players I bet
March 26th, 201212:45 am
I think I would prefer that they get Fontenot from the Giants than Theriot . neither one is very expensive
March 26th, 201212:46 am
I think they will be doing well to break .500
March 26th, 201212:50 am
I hope they use Sutton as backup and do not waste a prospect trading for some mediocre vet
March 26th, 201212:53 am
They’ll win, bank on it. Pitching is the number commodity in the game and our Braves have it. That said, the division is tougher and the injuries are mounting. But then again there are two wild card slots for the first time.
So I’ll keep saying it till I’m blue in the face. Win, yes. Playoffs……flip a coin.
March 26th, 201212:54 am
Hello everyone! Nice win today.I would play Sutton for the week,or two Chipper is out,and Play Prado in LF. Next year I would start Prado at LF,and bring in Joe Terd.I think he will be another outstanding 3rd baseman for next year.
March 26th, 201212:58 am
I’m not going to flip a coin for Play-Offs. I think the Braves are better than what people think. Every year no one picks the Braves much,and every year the Braves are in the Play-Offs Hunt,or right there.Braves will be in the Play-Offs.Finish 2nd,or above Phillies. The pitching is that good,and I think it will be right there at the end.
March 26th, 20121:01 am
Grady S. Is a injury pron out-fielder,and it would be a wasted effort to sign him. Grady from Cleveland can’t stay off the injury list. Bad Karma……
March 26th, 20121:05 am
Furcal made the jump from AA to the majors,and I think Simmons could do the same.Furcal made it,and so can Simmons. The kid is that good. Also would be happy with the Rev. too. Rght now I think Simmons has the edge.
March 26th, 20121:06 am
On LF, I think Parraz should win the Final spot.
March 26th, 20121:10 am
Aslo,I agree with most on Medlen. He should get the final spot in rotation.
March 26th, 20121:43 am
All be cool. I might not be on the blog tomorrow. Will be busy,but all have a good one! Peace my friends…….”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
March 26th, 20122:09 am
Simmons is as good as Furcal huh? hmmmm
March 26th, 20122:12 am
so anybody been watching Awake ?
kinduva interesting concept and I’m a Jason Isaacs fan.
wonder where they are heading with it
March 26th, 20122:17 am
Yeah I have been watching Awake. Jason Isaacs is great. His wife is a bit boring.
It’s an interesting concept.
Unfortunately, the ratings have been sleepy. A second season is 50/50 at best.
March 26th, 20122:20 am
but she’s cute…
March 26th, 20122:22 am
I thought Isaacs was great in Brotherhood
March 26th, 20122:31 am
Yeah, she’s quite attractive. But not very compelling. I like the babysitter more.
Isaacs was spectacularly sinister in The Patriot.
March 26th, 20122:34 am
This show, if on long enough, could end up falling into the Lost trap. Too much mystery and no payoff.
The writers have to keep things focused and deliberate.
March 26th, 20124:14 am
my thoughts about Lost too.
March 26th, 20125:11 am
I just re-read Caroll Rogers May 30, 2008, blog post about Chipper. Chipper was hitting .420…
“I’m not going to hit .400, you know, and the quicker I come to the realization that I’m not, then all this effort that goes into keeping my average over. 400, to be honest, would be better spent concentrating on getting caught up in the moment during the game,” Jones said. “If I got a pitcher set up, take that pitch, try and hit the ball to the moon.”
And from June 16, 2008, SI…
On a Saturday night, on the road, after a loss, while batting .400 and with a contract that will pay him more than $12 million this season, Chipper Jones was taking extra BP. He’s been batting nearly .450 ever since.
Folks, we’ve seen something special with Chipper. Keep a hard copy. One day, in the not so distant future, you’ll try to recall some of these stories when you say, ” Yeah, I saw Chipper Jones play. I remember when…”
March 26th, 20125:39 am
…My 85 y/o mom saw Jimmy Piersall play in Birmingham 1951 & ‘52. She still talks about it.
In only 3 weeks in Birmingham, Piersall was ejected from games 4 times. On one occasion during an at bat following one in which he struck out, Piersall brought a water pistol with him and sprayed the plate. “Maybe now you can see it,” he said to the umpire.
March 26th, 20126:19 am
Greg Norton isn’t the Manager of the New Orleans Zephyrs, this year. Is he still in baseball?
March 26th, 20126:34 am
DOB, Greg Norton isn’t the Manager of the New Orleans Zephyrs, this year. Is he still in baseball? — Couch Tater
I asked a couple of guys about him earlier this spring, was told he’s trying to get back into school to finish getting his degree.
March 26th, 20126:52 am
If, he’s trying KU. Text him to hold off ’til Basketball season is over. hee
March 26th, 20127:41 am
No game today, but plenty of sunshine over Dark Star Lake (aka Lake Bryan).
I’ll have a story up late this morning about Braves and what they think of their chances in tougher NL East.
March 26th, 20128:19 am
Is DREW SUTTON our next OMAR INFANTE?
And what’s all this about TEHERAN’s having ‘TOMMY JOHN’ surgery?
Starters until HUDSON’s return
JURRJENS [whew! Was beginning to disbelieve]
March 26th, 20128:23 am
Philly is getting older and on the slide, the Marlins are trying to buy themselves a team and we know how that usually turns out, the Nats are improving every year and the Mets are just the Mess. I believe we mi9ght have a chance at THIRD
March 26th, 20128:36 am
Folks here who assume worst outcome for every question on the team call for a 6th place finish and call themselves “realists”. But folks who assume a positive outcome for any question on the team are called “homers’. Mostly by these “realists”.
For the life of me, I can’t think of any difference between the gloom-and-doomers and the Pollyannas, except for the color of their glasses (grey and rose). Neither faction seems to be able to make an objective evaluation of the team’s chances.
March 26th, 20128:44 am
scoots – Realistic? Blind Homer? Nah, I go along with the group (heard it from those on XM as well as the National press) that the Braves could end up anywhere between first and fourth in the division this year. Depends on if everyone performs or gets hurt. Guess that’s why they always play the games before they decide who goes to the playoffs. Probably fairer that way and much more definitive.
March 26th, 20128:51 am
Folks here who assume worst outcome for every question on the team call for a 6th place finish and call themselves “realists”. But folks who assume a positive outcome for any question on the team are called “homers’. Mostly by these “realists.”
Absolutely true. By the way, so many comments on this blog have become so over-the-top negative that it’s developed a cult-like following among folks who weren’t familiar with it until they clicked on a link via Twitter. After getting past their initial surprise over the degree of one-upsmanship from some in the doomier-and-gloomier-than-thou crowd, I think many come back for the sheer entertainment value, the utter spectacle.
So I guess we should thank this particular segment of you for providing that feature.
March 26th, 20128:53 am
March 26th, 2012
“………For the life of me, I can’t think of any difference between the gloom-and-doomers and the Pollyannas, except for the color of their glasses (grey and rose). Neither faction seems to be able to make an objective evaluation of the team’s chances……..”
Lot of that going around up in D.C. politically as well. Asymptomatic of the malaise gripping the country. What’s a moderate supposed to do?
March 26th, 20128:54 am
Just read your 8:51 a.m. LOL priceless!
March 26th, 20128:56 am
richbrave – What’s a moderate to do? Laugh at the Lunatic Fringe (on both extremes), cause they’re all ‘entertainers”, right?
March 26th, 20129:01 am
WARNING – This blog for entertainment purposes only!
Right? LEW shoot me an e-mail and let’s see if this thing is up and running.
March 26th, 20129:02 am
Didn’t mean to add the ?-mark after the right. Sorry.
I think many come back for the sheer entertainment value, the utter spectacle [of the negativity].
I can’t express how sad that makes me, David. Especially when I think of the posters (and contributions made by them) that won me over to this forum, so many years ago. Still plenty of good posters here, don’t get me wrong, but you don’t need much dirt in the water to turn it into mud.
Cult following. Bleep me.
March 26th, 20129:04 am
If the Braves could get the Cubs to pay a large chunk of his $6.5 mill salary, Marlon Byrd would be a nice pickup. He’s very much available. Given the time that Prado might end up playing at third base, getting another proven every-day type of OF would be a good idea, in my opinion. He still plays a solid CF (eliminating need to move Heyward over as a backup to Bourn) and can play LF as much as needed.
Of course, if the Braves carry him then then don’t have room for Sutton as an extra utility guy. But with Jack Wilson healthy now and able to play three positions, and Prado freed up to play third or even second if needed, I don’t know that they wouldn’t be better served carrying Byrd, a legit every-day OF, than Sutton.
The Braves have had interest in Byrd in the past. I just don’t know how much of his salary they might be willing to pay now, and whether Cubs would demand a good prospect in exchange for picking up a big part of that salary.
Byrd is 33 and hit .276 w/ an unimpressive .324 OBP last season, with nine homers and 35 RBIs in 482 PAs. But in 2010, he was an All-Star center fielder who hit .293 w/ a .346 OBP in 630 PAs (152 games) with 39 doubles, 2 triples, 12 homers, 66 RBIs and 84 runs.
March 26th, 20129:06 am
richbrave – Can’t find your email. Try sending me one LewHartman@comcast.net
March 26th, 20129:12 am
I’d certainly feel much more comfortable with Byrd than any of the others in the motley collection we have available now.
March 26th, 20129:13 am
Just went down with mouse trouble. Had to replace batteries. Send an e-mail yet?
March 26th, 20129:17 am
Nope LEW. Won’t let me in. Sorry.
March 26th, 20129:18 am
I’d buy that for a dollar……….or two!
March 26th, 20129:25 am
David, BTW, congrats to your hoops guys. Good ballgame yesterday. Every Heel fan I know will be coulda-woulda-shoulda because of Marshall’s absence, and will conveniently overlook the fact that the Heels were outrebounded. I’m just guessing here.
Mid Town Joe
March 26th, 20129:26 am
Chipper announces his retirement at the end of the season, and goes in for more knee surgery today. I like Chipper, but this move will not help the Braves this year. There is no “I” in Team.
March 26th, 20129:28 am
There is no “I” in Team
Ah, but there IS an “M-E”.
March 26th, 20129:31 am
“Folks here who assume worst outcome for every question on the team call for a 6th place finish and call themselves “realists”. But folks who assume a positive outcome for any question on the team are called “homers’. Mostly by these “realists.””
I just wish there was a happy medium. Just drives me crazy when people can’t be somewhat realistic with their expectations. I truly believe that this team could win the division. I also, at the same time, believe that they could finish 4th in the division this year. Chipper could play in 130 games this year…or he could play in 30 and call it a career early. All of these are real possibilities.
Just don’t tell me Chipper is going to play in 160 games this year and win an MVP because he is a HOF 3rd baseman who is going to retire this year. He no longer performs like a HOF 3rd baseman, but at the same time he can still be a lock for the HOF.
March 26th, 20129:32 am
Ain’t no “I” in guaranteed contract, either, but he’d still get paid.
I’m out of here for a while – time for new rotors on my brakes – for the second time in five moths. Back later.
March 26th, 20129:37 am
Yesterday’s game against Houston was a sight for sore eyes.
Best game the Braves have played all Spring. Jurrjens was dominant. The offense was clicking and we actually got hits off of a lefty. Hopefully that is the real Braves team…not the garbage we have put out there against the Tigers.
March 26th, 20129:40 am
Hey Dave, Buster agrees with your Byrd idea. So do I. (I know that makes you feel complete on a Monday morning ) I also heard David Wright too from Leo Mizzone on the radio today. I’d be happy with either.
I guess it all comes down to what the Braves can and are willing to give up in the way or prospects and future salary. The Byrd deal makes sense for a one year fix. The Wright idea would be great if the Bravos were planning on signing him for a longer term deal.
I know you have answered this pertaining to this year, but could you see Simmons at third and Pastornicky at short next year? With Simmons defense and strong arm along with Pastornicky’s defense, the left fielder (whomever that would be next year) would rarely get a grounder.
March 26th, 20129:43 am
Hitchcock’s Definition of Happiness…
March 26th, 20129:45 am
The chances of the Braves making a deal before the season starts…less than 5%. It just isn’t their style. They’ll say they are happy with their team. That they like Drew Sutton, Jordan Parraz, Jack/Josh Wilson, Durango/Constanza…and they are what this team needs right now.
March 26th, 20129:59 am
This need for a competent 4th outfielder is not a new development. It was obvious all through the off season. Why couldn’t this have been addressed months ago?
March 26th, 201210:02 am
I must miss an awful lot of posts on the blog, because I don’t know who the people are who calling for Chipper to play in 160 games or the Braves to breeze to a division championship. It seems to me that most people labeled as drinking sugar water or being Hayley Mills are those who refuse to succumb to doom and gloom constantly and consistently…
March 26th, 201210:03 am
For Byrd… The Braves pick up $2 million, maybe $2.5 million on his contract?
March 26th, 201210:05 am
Given the time that Prado might end up playing at third base, getting another proven every-day type of OF would be a good idea, in my opinion.
Man this bums me out. The only reason this bums me out is, I’m trying to plan a trip to see Chipper play at least one last time in Atlanta. Got an offer for the Braves/Dodgers games in August. But this latest knee surgery makes me stress that I’m going to make my trip(s) and still not get to see the man play one last time. I hope he gets healthy and strong and can make the bulk of the season, go out on a bang and have the best game ever when I am able to make it.
McFann, in the year 2013, prepare for another fan on the fav-brave McCann wagon. With Chipper retiring, McCann is next in line for me.
I must be confused… isn’t Diaz the “4th outfielder”? If not, then why is he even on the team? And what about Hinske? I guess he’s the backup 1B/3B?
Let’s assume Prado is going to play 50-60% of the games at 3B… doesn’t it make sense to make a move that would have more impact than say for Byrd? Do the Braves really gain much with him vs a Hinske/Diaz platoon? As crappy a year as Hinske had last season he still had more homers and more walks in about half the PA’s as Byrd.
It just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to go out and get a guy who is going to be worse than what we already have sitting on our bench.
March 26th, 201210:08 am
and have the best game ever when I am able to make it.
And I’m talking, hit for the cycle with bases clearing single (3 RBI), double (3 RBI), triple (3 RBI) and grandslam (4 RBI) and an unassisted triple play in the third and sixth…. he must turn the unassisted triple play. Don’t want to see him hit into any more of those.
March 26th, 201210:13 am
“Let’s assume Prado is going to play 50-60% of the games at 3B… doesn’t it make sense to make a move that would have more impact than say for Byrd?”
Murph, it would. Thing is, at this juncture, what outfielders are available with the sort of impact the Braves would desire? If available, what are their price tags? In other words, who would the Braves have to give up (likely a better pitching prospect or prospects)? And what is the Braves’ budget room for an OFer whose contract may be pretty big?
But, yes, Prado, I believe, is a good bet to play 40% at third. I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays much more than that.
March 26th, 201210:17 am
“I must miss an awful lot of posts on the blog, because I don’t know who the people are who calling for Chipper to play in 160 games or the Braves to breeze to a division championship.”
There are those who believe you aren’t a true fan if you believe this team is going to finish anything less than 1st or 2nd in the division. To even suggest that this team could finish 3rd or even 4th in the division, puts you in the “doom and gloom, negative” category instead of the “realist” category.
March 26th, 201210:21 am
Jeff, I just don’t see a trade for Byrd as one that makes the club any better. I’d rather see Hinske out there with the occasional Diaz start… I think the club would get better production from Parraz than they would Byrd, quite honestly.
A move for the sake of making a move just doesn’t make sense at this point. Parraz has done more than enough to earn a spot on the team (even if he can’t catch the ball while playing CF). Give him a chance to swing the bat… if Chipper is all but done by the trading deadline, then go out and get a quality bat. Until then, Hinske/Diaz/Parraz > Byrd.
March 26th, 201210:23 am
Agree on Byrd….and keeping the animal theme, what’s happened to Bob Fish? hasn’t pitched with the big team lately, has he been down on the farm? Sorry couldn’t resist
March 26th, 201210:27 am
“Even if he can’t catch the ball while playing CF”
Umm…or in Right Field.
As long as he can hit I don’t really care, though.
March 26th, 201210:29 am
A move for the sake of making a move just doesn’t make sense at this point.
In addition, I kinda doubt that the FO hasn’t considered the scenario of Chipper playing fewer games than hoped for. Some folks here think Wren and the boys are as much blind homers as are posters, I reckon, but, my guess is that they have considered the Chipper-less action and have an idea on how to proceed if-and-when. That they have not made such a move tells me that they think they can cover 30-40 games with the resources available. If it turns out that Chipper is absent more, or the current roster can’t hold the fort, the FO will do something else.
Murph, well, I’ve got a feeling Wren’s thinking about Byrd. But… Wren may conclude that acquiring Byrd is a wash, and that, as you suggest, the team has the outfielders now who can play comparably well.
But I’m with you on Prado. I’m being conservative when I write 40% play time at third for him. Move into the 50% range or higher, in terms of time at third for Prado, and the Braves really need the guys they have to step it up in LF or make an acquisition for OFer who is capable of playing regularly.
March 26th, 201210:32 am
you can’t put simmons at 3rd, we have to have a power bat playing 3rd. As much as I have disliked david wright, he would be the best pickup around the all-star break, he can fill chippers spot for years to come… no he will never be as good as chipper was, but he will be better than the chipper of now!!!! I think diaz and hinske can handle left just fine when prado has to move to 3rd this year!!!!! If our pitching can hold up and our offense clicks all year, this can be something special!!!!
March 26th, 201210:33 am
marlon byrd is a pretty good player and makes this team alot better. i dont see any negatives at all in bringing him over, as long as the cost isnt to high. byrd would be a great bat for the bottom of the order.
March 26th, 201210:36 am
And what ever happened to Tim Salmon?
March 26th, 201210:37 am
Ah, but there IS an “M-E”
i always was entertained by your comments
even when ya cracked on some of my silly ones
murph I think the club would get better production from Parraz than they would Byrd, quite honestly.
you could be right, but i dont think so. last year byrd was injured and missed some time. in 2010, he turned in 53 extra base hits.do myou think parraz comes close to that?
March 26th, 201210:41 am
gary, thanks, man. I’m here but to serve.
March 26th, 201210:45 am
Ok, to be fair, Byrd was hitting .295/.339/.417/.757 at the end of August last year… and he is hitting .302 so far this spring.
I’ll back off my anti-Byrd statements now that I’ve dug a little deeper. Maybe he would be a decent pickup….
But, that would open up another argument in that I think Parraz really has done more than enough to earn a spot. Should the team trade for Byrd, who then becomes the 4th OF? We all know Hinske isn’t going anywhere, so does Diaz get the job or someone like Parraz or Durango… or even Constanza?
Mississippi McCann Fan
March 26th, 201210:47 am
You’re absolutely right. No other player would have given up his position. But he was, is, and always will be a team player. That’s not idol worship. It’s facts. Powderfinger
Except Michael Young with Texas, right? I’ve always been a fan of (socks up) Chipper. It will be sad next year when he’s not on the team.
March 26th, 201210:58 am
DOB said last night, and I paraphase ” Hudson to pitch on teams day off” , I just don’t get it. How does FREDI expect TIM to win with no team back of him on the field?
March 26th, 201210:59 am
murph Should the team trade for Byrd, who then becomes the 4th OF?
i think what has changed with chipper’s injury is the idea that he might not even play half the season. prado playing 3rd, and parraz, hinske, and diaz splitting 250 ABs is one thing, but prado playing 100 or so games at third and that combo getting more like 400 ABs, in big chunks is different. byrd seems like adecent option to me if it looks like more than a 4th OF position, which right now, it looks like a little bit more than that.
March 26th, 201211:05 am
George – they’re more worried about Tim throwing than having his teammates field the balls. I’m sure there will be somebody to catch the balls, don’t worry.
Anything you don’t blame Fredi for?
March 26th, 201211:07 am
which right now, [Chipper's lack of availability] looks like a little bit more than that [earlier expectatation].
Thing is, Chipper is missing a week. That’s hardly unexpected. I don’t know that Chipper missing some of the games that everybody in the universe expects him to miss, raises the expectation that he’s going to miss more games than everybody already thought he was gong to miss.
Wow. I think I just confused my own self. But I can’t think of a better way to say it.
March 26th, 201211:10 am
Fast forward to 2025…
DOB: So Tim, why don’t you think you got elected to the Hall of Fame?
Hudson: Ugh…because that idiot Fredi expected me to win that one time in March without a team behind me!!! ARGH!!!!!
March 26th, 201211:11 am
Just trying for a little humor during a sad ST.
March 26th, 201211:12 am
scoots, I can’t speak for everybody, but for me, the fact that Chipper is missing games for surgery vs missing games for just general aches/pains makes me think he’ll be on the field less than originally anticipated.
I figured he’d play in 100-120 games this year. If he could get to the lower end of that I’d be pretty happy.
March 26th, 201211:15 am
Last night I saw MAD MEN for the first time ever. DON’s woman is like WOW enough to make a old man stand at attention.
March 26th, 201211:17 am
ncscoots, March 26th, 2012. 10:41 am … “I’m here but to serve.”
Is that “to serve” as in “To serve man.”?
March 26th, 201211:18 am
the fact that Chipper is missing games for surgery vs missing games for just general aches/pains makes me think he’ll be on the field less than originally anticipated.
A knee scope is basically outpatient surgery. I’m not saying “It’s nothing”, but even an oblique strain would keep him out longer. The man’s knees are just gone, I imagine, and that chronic condition is likely to cost him more down-time than this particular surgery. And that really is my point: barring something unforeseen and catastrophic, the guy is going to miss the time that he misses, whatever the reason. Just think of this as a big “ache”.
March 26th, 201211:19 am
Plus, Marlon Byrd is a graduate of Sprayberry High School in Marietta, my alma mater. As much as I like Matty Diaz, Byrd would be an upgrade at this point because of his defense and he can play center.
March 26th, 201211:20 am
George, March 26th, 2012, 10:58 am … “How does FREDI expect TIM to win with no team back of him on the field?”
Strike outs. Come backers and liners to the mound. Hit a HR in the home-half.
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