Keep in mind, Teheran just turned 21

KISSIMMEE, Fla. – Let’s start by noting that it was March 4, in Julio Teheran’s first game of spring training, with a gale-force winds blowing out to right, against a power-laden Tigers lineup.

Top Braves pitching prospect Julio Teheran got lit up for six homers in six outs on Sunday against the Tigers. (Jason Getz photo/AJC)

Top Braves pitching prospect Julio Teheran got lit up for six homers in six outs on Sunday against the Tigers. (Jason Getz photo/AJC)

Oh, and while Teheran knew he would be the second pitcher in Sunday’s game, “piggybacking” the Randall Delgado start, and was scheduled to work two innings, he ended up coming in an inning earlier than expected because Delgado threw 39 pitches in the ragged first (four runs, two hits, two walks) and wasn’t brought back out for his planned second inning.

All that being said, seven runs on six homers in two innings off Teheran was an awful outing for the kid, who is a consensus pick as one of the top three pitching prospects in baseball — and was the No. 1 pick of a couple of experts at this time a year ago.

But go back to that last paragraph and find the operative word “kid,” which I think many have forgotten. Teheran is 21, folks. Just turned 21 five weeks ago. He’s a kid.

Yes, some pitchers are mature and/or savvy and/or overpowering enough to dominate major league hitters at 21, but those are the exceptions, not the rule. Even among top-rated prospects, 21 is still quite young.

There are not many like Doc Gooden and Stephen Strasburg out there, folks. Pitchers who can come in and dominate at 21 or younger from the get-go. They’re rarities.

Those who kept telling us during the offseason that Teheran had to be in the rotation because he had nothing else to prove at Triple-A – that’s not the point. We know he can dominate minor league hitters. He has to show he can pitch consistently well against major league hitters, and so far he hasn’t.

And just because he’s extremely talented doesn’t mean he gets a spot in the rotation and gets to learn on the job and take his bumps and bruises during the regular season until he’s ready.

That’s fine for a team that doesn’t have pitching depth and needs him in one of those spots, but right now the Braves have a guy, Mike Minor, who has shown he can pitch well against big-league hitters – he was 5-1 with a 3.51 ERA in his last 10 starts in 2011, with 59 strikeouts and 16 walks in 56-1/3 innings.

Delgado also showed more last season in the bigs than Teheran. From his first start against Texas, Delgado looked more composed on the mound against big-league hitters than Teheran has to date.

Is Teheran going to be better than both of those guys? He has the higher ceiling, no doubt. Has the best stuff of the trio. But that doesn’t mean he’s given a spot at age 21 because of that. Far from it. When he’s ready, or when the Braves believe he’s ready or need him because they don’t have others they think are more ready, he’ll be here.

Maybe that’s in the Opening Day rotation, since there are two spots to fill, the No. 5 spot and Tim Hudson’s spot for the first month or so while he recovers from back surgery. Or maybe the Braves go with Minor, whom GM Frank Wren called the incumbent with the edge over the other two going in, and Delgado and sent Teheran back to Triple-A until he’s ready and/or they need him.

Sending Teheran, at 21, back to Triple-A would not be the terrible thing some act like it would be. Far from it. Again, he just turned 21.

He pitched in five games in the majors last season and went 1-1 with a 5.03 ERA and .275 opponents’ average. That included 1-1 with a 3.86 ERA in three starts, with 15 hits (two homers) allowed in 14 innings as a starter and more walks (six) than strikeouts (five).

A couple of weeks ago I asked Wren about Minor, and the GM had a long answer that I found interesting, that revealed a lot about how the team looks at young pitchers and comes to the decisions that it does.

“He [Minor] was one of the guys that you get great reports on in the minor leagues, you see them pitch in the minor leagues and they’re doing everything you want them to do,” Wren said. “But when they come to the big leagues, some of them can transfer that into performance at the major league level right away – one guy on our team last year [who did that] was Delgado. His first start against Texas was good, second start was a no-hitter into the seventh in San Francisco. So he was able to come to the big leagues and perform right away. Teheran didn’t. Teheran came here and looked totally different than he did in the minor leagues.

“Minor, in ’10, he came up and his first start was OK, then he made the good start in Chicago [12 strikeouts, one walk in six innings of three-run, seven-hit ball in his third start]. Then he kind of backed up and wasn’t so good [the rest of the 2010 season]. Then he made the start in Milwaukee last year where he was all over the place.

It took Mike Minor a little longer than the Braves expected, but they think he's over the hump now and pitching the way they anticipated he would. (Jason Getz photo/AJC)

It took Mike Minor a little longer than the Braves expected, but they think he's over the hump now and pitching the way they anticipated he would. (Jason Getz photo/AJC)

Minor walked the first three batters on 14 pitches in that fill-in start at Milwaukee in the first week of the 2011 season, and gave up five runs and seven hits in 4-1/3 innings. He was sent back to Triple-A for the next eight weeks.

When Minor returned in late May, he went 5-2 with a 3.79 ERA in his final 14 starts, and the Braves were 10-4 in those games. He had 75 strikeouts and 26 walks in 78-1/3 innings in that span. Minor was 23 last season, a former first-round draft pick.

“It just took him more time,” Wren said. “Then he came back up in Pittsburgh and he was real sharp [5-2/3 innings, one run, seven hits on May 25 against the Pirates in first start back from Triple-A]. And you could tell.”

“To me it’s the belief system – when they believe they’re ready and believe they belong, then you’ll see that. And to me that was the line of demarcation, the Pittsburgh start in May. Since then Mike has been the guy we expected to see. And that’s what I’m looking forward to seeing. I thought Teheran got it in New York, in the doubleheader. That was the first time we saw Teheran pitch like he’s capable.

“Then he threw against Philadelphia in that last series, came in and was 94, 95 and was dominant. Really threw the ball well.”

Jair Jurrjens (right) makes his first start of the spring today, and first start since injuring his right knee last season and missing the playoff race in September.

Jair Jurrjens (right) makes his first start of the spring today, and first start since injuring his right knee last season and missing the playoff race in September.

That was the Sept. 27 game against Philly in the last weekend of the season, when Teheran threw three innings of relief and allowed two hits and one run with no walks, after issuing eight walks in his previous 16-2/3 big-league innings.

“So I think those two [Delgado and Teheran] are over that proverbial hump where they feel like they belong. Delgado never had it. Delgado from Day 1 looked like he belonged here,” Wren said.

“That’s why you can take the best kid in the organization — take Teheran, one of the top two or three pitching prospects in all of baseball — it may not translate into game performance until he believes it. Until he’s comfortable, until he assimilates. You just don’t know how long it’s going to take.

“I mean, I would have thought a guy [Minor] coming out of the SEC, Vanderbilt, top pitcher for the USA team, two starts in he would have had it. It took Minor eight or 10, before he felt like he belonged. And then you saw him pitch like he did in the minor leagues.”

“Same thing with Teheran, it’s like those guys are afraid to pitch to contact, they’re afraid of contact. Instead of pitching their game, they’re scared to death to throw the ball over the plate. That’s just maturity.”

Remember, Wren said that two weeks ago. We saw what he was talking about again Sunday.

Teheran has had one strong start against big-league hitters, his last one on Sept. 8, in a makeup doubleheader against the Mets. In that game he pitched 5-1/3 innings and allowed five hits, one run and two walks.

In his other two starts last season, he allowed 10 hits, five earned runs and two homers in 8-2/3 innings and didn’t make it out of the fifth in either.

After getting ahead 3-1 in counts against Teheran last season, major league hitters were 5-for-10 with a double and a homer. On full counts, hitters went 8-for-22 (.364) with seven walks and three strikeouts.

Here’s how thing went Sunday, when the wind affected a couple of balls but not nearly to the degree that some would might have you believe.

Catcher David Ross understandably stuck with fastballs on 3-1 and 3-2 counts when Delgado got behind hitters in the first inning and Teheran got behind them in the second and third innings – he stuck with fastballs because it was the first spring game and the young pitchers need to work on fastball command. Teheran’s pitch selection wasn’t much different 3-1 spots last year during real games, but it was in full counts.

Last season in the majors, in 3-1 counts he threw fastballs 92 percent of the time and 8 percent change-ups. In full counts, however, he threw only 67 percent fastballs, along with 25 percent change-ups and 8 percent curveballs.

But most of the damage Sunday wasn’t that late in counts, or when he was that far behind.

On Sunday he gave up a wind-blown homer on a 3-2 count to the second batter he faced, No. 9 hitter Ryan Raburn. In the first inning, Delgado gave up a two-run homer to Alex Avila on a 3-2 count.

Both of those homers, and most others off Teheran, were on fastballs up in the zone.

In the third inning, Teheran gave up a leadoff, line-drive homer to Prince Fielder on a 1-2 count; a first-pitch homer to Delmon Young; an 0-1 homer to Brennan Boesch; a 1-0 homer to Jhonny Peralta (after an Avila walk); and a full-count, two-homer homer to Austin Jackson (straight into the teeth of the wind in left field).

Whew.

So the damage obviously wasn’t just in counts in which he’d fallen behind.

One more time, folks. Not meaning to beat a dead horse or sound like I’m condescending, because I’m not. But the fact is, Teheran is young. And so far, he has looked entirely different most games when facing big-league hitters than he did facing minor leaguers.

That happens. Most of the time, in fact.

Which is why there aren’t many great 21-year-old starting pitchers in the majors.

BRAVES LINEUP Monday vs. Astros

  1. Bourn CF
  2. Pastornicky SS
  3. McCann DH
  4. Uggla 2B
  5. Hinske 1B
  6. Heyward RF
  7. Terdoslavich 3B
  8. Constanza LF
  9. Boscan C
Chipper Jones was scratched from Monday trip due to what the Braves said was leg soreness.

Chipper Jones was scratched from Monday trip due to what the Braves said was leg soreness.

No veteran 3B on trip: You may have heard, Chipper Jones isn’t in the lineup today (Monday) for the second day in a row, after showing up at the ballpark this morning with some leg soreness. He and Gonzalez agreed it best to scratch the third baseman from this trip.

“He’s got some soreness from playing the first game [Saturday],” Gonzalez said. “I don’t think it’s anything serious. I don’t want to push him the first couple of days.”

Prospect Joe Terdoslavich gets his first start at 3B after going 2-for-2 off the bench Sunday at Lakeland in the 18-3 loss to the Tigres.

This would be a good time to use something Chipper said a few weeks ago when he was looking ahead to the 2012 season.

“I’ll be 40 years old in April,” he said. “There’s no doubt there’s going to be times the body is going to wake up in the morning and say, don’t you even think about walking on that field today. There’s going to be times, and I know that. I’ve got to listen to it, so that I can play the next day. And that’s how I look at it.

“I’m not going to look a week or two, or a month or two months, into the future. I’m just going to go one day at a time, and if I can go out there, I go out there. If my body says, you ain’t going out there today, then I ain’t going out there.

“It’s not like it was in the late ‘90s and early 2000s where I couldn’t afford to sit out games or else we lost. This team can win without me being out there every single day. This is a good club and we’ve got good pitching. The offense is going to be better this year, we’re confident, and so that affords me the ability to take a day when I need to.”

♣ OK, I had some other stuff but we’re getting close to game time, so let’s get this posted before first pitch. We’ll close with a classic rawk cut from the mighty Pixies, which you can hear by clicking here.

the-pixies

“MONKEY GONE TO HEAVEN” by the Pixies

There was a guy
An underwater guy who controlled the sea
Got killed by ten million pounds of sludge
From New York and New Jersey

This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven

The creature in the sky
Got sucked in a hole
Now there’s a hole in the sky
And the ground’s not cold
And if the ground’s not cold
Everything is gonna burn
We’ll all take turns
I’ll get mine, too

This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven

Rock me, Joe!

If Man is 5…
If Man is 5
If Man is 5
Then the Devil is 6
Then the Devil is 6
Then the Devil is 6
And if the Devil is 6
Then God is 7
Then God is 7
Then God is 7

This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven
This monkey’s gone to heaven

-- by David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

1,417 comments Add your comment

Z

March 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

Thanks, DOB!!!

Kat

March 5th, 2012
1:21 pm

New blog just in time for my lunch break read. Perfect!

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:22 pm

charlotte observer – game is not on Braves’ network at all today..

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

JJ gets Jordan on grounder to first…

Spanish Moss

March 5th, 2012
1:24 pm

Sitting in deer stands tends to injure legs…

charlotte observer

March 5th, 2012
1:24 pm

… if someone has a game steaming audio link .. please post .. it will be greatly appreciated.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:25 pm

Spanish Moss

March 5th, 2012
1:25 pm

Tejada hits solo homerun off JJ. Astros 1-0.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:26 pm

There is no streaming today – game not on Braves network, just one station in ATL…

Rick

March 5th, 2012
1:27 pm

Spanish Moss then it would be Braves 2-1.

Spanish Moss

March 5th, 2012
1:27 pm

Comebacker to the mound, JJ stabs it and hits Hinske in nads. Hinske misjudged throw to 1st.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:27 pm

Constanza with a sliding catch for the second out…

jeffrey d

March 5th, 2012
1:28 pm

Great read…thanks DOB

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:28 pm

Three up, three down for JJ…

flange1

March 5th, 2012
1:29 pm

Thanks for the new blog DOB!

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:29 pm

Bogusevic hit line drive to Pastornicky…

Rick

March 5th, 2012
1:29 pm

And apparently that is not correct anyway…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:29 pm

2-0 at the end of the first…

orange brave f/k/a billy jacks bbq

March 5th, 2012
1:30 pm

……………..speed kills…………….

Fish Bisch

March 5th, 2012
1:31 pm

Go baby braves.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:31 pm

Constanza grounds out to 2nd…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

Boscan singles…

Shaun

March 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

“Sending Teheran, at 21, back to Triple-A would not be the terrible thing some act like it would be. Far from it. Again, he just turned 21.”

Who are those “some” who act as if it would be a terrible thing to send Teheran back to Triple-A?

I would like to hear what these people may be thinking because I’m not sure why anyone would have problems sending a 21-year-old pitcher to Triple-A for some more seasoning, when the Braves have solid pitching depth at the major league level.

Jbailz

March 5th, 2012
1:32 pm

If everyone would order mlb.tv they’d have the Braves stream.. Unless they black it out in the Atlanta area? I know in Utah I’m listening to it. Getting spring fever now that it’s hitting 50 degrees!

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:33 pm

Broken bat, up the middle, per DOB…

Rick

March 5th, 2012
1:34 pm

“I would like to hear what these people may be thinking because I’m not sure why anyone would have problems sending a 21-year-old pitcher to Triple-A for some more seasoning, when the Braves have solid pitching depth at the major league level.”

I’ve seen people comment on the blogs saying that they think it would be wasting their good arms to still have him, Delgado, and Vizcaino pitching in AAA.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:34 pm

Bourn flies to center…

David O'Brien

March 5th, 2012
1:34 pm

Sorry, posted this comment on wrong blog while ago: Boscan with a broken-bat single up middle, 1 out in Braves 2nd. Bourn up again, facing his former Astros for 1st time today

Murph

March 5th, 2012
1:35 pm

I’m listening to it too… via mlb.com.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:36 pm

Pastornicky grounds to second to end the top of the 2nd…

jones boys, no relation

March 5th, 2012
1:36 pm

heading to the bottom 2nd still 2-0

Murph

March 5th, 2012
1:37 pm

I’d rather see Teheran and Delgado in AAA than in the bullpen. I’d rather see them back in AA than in the bullpen.

I’d rather see Diaz in a vendor’s unifor… oh… right… said I wasn’t going to pick on him anymore.

Be patient with me.

charlotte observer

March 5th, 2012
1:37 pm

Venice Jim .. thanks for the info about the streaming today.

orange brave f/k/a billy jacks bbq

March 5th, 2012
1:38 pm

Man, I need some good barbecue, a nice flat screen tv to watch the Braves and Stro’s and a cold beer.

jones boys, no relation

March 5th, 2012
1:40 pm

off the wall, standup dub for martinez

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:40 pm

Leadoff double…

cabravesfan

March 5th, 2012
1:40 pm

JJ allowed a HIT!!!! OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Trade him! Cut him! He sucks!!!!!!!!!!

(did I get that right?)

Bob in SF

March 5th, 2012
1:41 pm

First action of spring training for Teheran and getting shelled not a big deal. He’s not spotting consistently yet and suffered for it but he will get better as he progresses. And I totally agree with DOB, let him work at least another 1/2 season in AAA at his craft. His stuff is very good but that’s not always enough vs. MLB hitters.

Jbailz

March 5th, 2012
1:42 pm

I’m a little disappointed that they aren’t showing more Braves spring training games, just the yank-me’s and other crappy teams

TDub

March 5th, 2012
1:42 pm

cabravesfan: You forgot “Fire Fredi!!!”

RC

March 5th, 2012
1:43 pm

Listing to the game on the At Bat 12 app….best $15 I spend each year.

Btw, Ben Ingram’s voice cracks me up…he sounds like he’s in his late 40’s, not 20’s/early 30’s.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:43 pm

One out single drives in run…

cabravesfan

March 5th, 2012
1:44 pm

cabravesfan: You forgot “Fire Fredi!!!”

Damn! I KNEW I forgot something. I will try to do better…

Ray

March 5th, 2012
1:44 pm

cab you are spot on. The Braves are up. Why are all of the intelligent posting naysayers at this moment. Oh yeah they only come out when it doesn’t take any thought whatsoever to open their pie hole.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:44 pm

Ground rule double barely hits foul line and spins into seats…

eddie u

March 5th, 2012
1:45 pm

Whoever is pitching for Houston we make him look like CY Young.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:45 pm

One out, 2nd and 3rd…

RC

March 5th, 2012
1:46 pm

I switched over to the Houston broadcast just to see if they were giving any good inside info on the Astros. Yikes….I feel for Houston fans having to listen to that radio team. Their scouting report on Lowrie, “He’ll give you all he’s got”. Oh, and they mentioned that he’s a switch hitter. Thanks guys!

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:46 pm

Scott Moore batting, 2-2 count…

Mixxo

March 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

Wheels coming off?

ncscoots

March 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

did I get that right?

I think you were fine on your panic component, but just a touch lacking on the anger component. And with it being ST, we really didn’t get to see you trot out your give-up component (kinda like a third pitch, as it were).

Still, for the first week of March? I’d call it a good outing; gives you something to build on. And by Opening Day, I’d say you’ll be able to go nine, with plenty of doom-and-gloom to spare.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

Full count – grounder to the Rev – get runner on 2nd in rundown – run scores, batter to 2nd…2 outs…

Murph

March 5th, 2012
1:48 pm

Jbailz

March 5th, 2012
1:48 pm

Lowrie scored on a groundout. Rev got the runner between second and third in a run down. 2-2 runner on 2nd with two outs.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:48 pm

6-5-4-6, if you’re scoring at home…

jones boys, no relation

March 5th, 2012
1:48 pm

StingerSplash

March 5th, 2012
1:49 pm

Dayum. Can’t remember the last time I heard “Monkey Gone to Heaven.” Great selection, DOB, great selection.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:49 pm

2-2 count on Castro…

David O'Brien

March 5th, 2012
1:50 pm

Jurrjens looks good, actually, Some cheap hits, 1 well-hit ball (double to gap) so far. Stuff looks good, velo. Location a bit off….

Bourn has flied out to Schafer in both at-bats so far.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:51 pm

Full count – Castro fouls it off…walks him…

Jbailz

March 5th, 2012
1:51 pm

Walk – two on two out and Schaefer up.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:52 pm

1st and 2nd, two down, top of the order – Jordan Shayfurrrr at bat…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:52 pm

2-1 count on Che-frrrrr

Chop Chop

March 5th, 2012
1:52 pm

I’m looking forward to most of our prospects failing. That’ll shut some of you idiots up.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:53 pm

Fly out to Constanza ends the inning…

cabravesfan

March 5th, 2012
1:53 pm

ncscoots-

I’ve got lots of doom & gloom locked up in the closet. I usually don’t let it out much, so it’s been piling up on me over the years. I have actually been thinking about selling some if you know anyone that might be interested. I can give them a good price…

David O'Brien

March 5th, 2012
1:54 pm

Schafer flies outt to LF to end Astros 2nd with 2 on. Jurrjens worked 2 inn. and allowed 2 runs, 3 H, 1 BB, no strikeouts.

Roman Gal

March 5th, 2012
1:55 pm

Bourn has flied out to Schafer in both at-bats so far.

Heh…

cabravesfan

March 5th, 2012
1:55 pm

RG! HI! Welcome back!

David O'Brien

March 5th, 2012
1:56 pm

The Rule 5 lefty Robert Fish is up in the Braves bullpen, will replace Jurrjens in 3rd

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:56 pm

McCann, Uggla, Hinske scheduled…

New pitcher – Xavier Cedeno…

Roman Gal

March 5th, 2012
1:56 pm

I can give them a good price…

Just donate that crap to Goodwill.

Roman Gal

March 5th, 2012
1:57 pm

Hey, cabaliscious! What up, homeslice?

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:58 pm

McCann strikes out…

Brava

March 5th, 2012
1:59 pm

Uggs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:59 pm

Uggla with a 2-2 count…smashes the ball OUT to left field – HR!!!

Murph

March 5th, 2012
2:00 pm

cabravesfan

March 5th, 2012
2:00 pm

RG-

Why should I donate it when I can make some money? I will need the start up capital to launch Rent A Get-A-Grip-Friend ;)

Shaun

March 5th, 2012
2:00 pm

I think whether a possibly future starting pitcher is better off in the major league bullpen or starting in the minors depends on the pitcher. I don’t think we can make the blanket statement that every pitcher would be any better (or any worse) off starting in the minors rather than relieving in the majors, or that starting in the minors would necessarily be better for the team.

I do suspect Teheran specifically would be better off starting in the minors.

Mixxo

March 5th, 2012
2:00 pm

Attaboy Mac! Lookin’ good buddy.

Now go siddown!!!

BravePack

March 5th, 2012
2:01 pm

His name is Dan Uggla! Never gets old.

David O'Brien

March 5th, 2012
2:01 pm

Uggla was hitting bombs in BP over that LF wall, and hit one to same spot off lefty Cedeno on 2-2 pitch. No doubter. 3-2 Braves lead

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
2:01 pm

Hinske caught looking…

richbrave

March 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

O.K. we can decide today whether FISH is worthy of becoming a BRAVE.

BravePack

March 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

DOB did say that Uggs was killing it in BP. Please no slow start, please no slow start, so far so good.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
2:02 pm

Must not have noticed how excited Mixxo was when Mac had a hit the first time up…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

Jason ends the inning looking at strike 3…

BravePack

March 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

And off a lefty…good sign.

Shaun

March 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

I think there are some cases in which it is good for the pitcher and the team for the pitcher to pitch out of the bullpen for a year or two; or at least it does no harm for the pitcher to come out of the bullpen.

Roman Gal

March 5th, 2012
2:03 pm

So you plan to exacerbate the problem before you fix it? Counterproductive, cab. Counter-productive…

cabravesfan

March 5th, 2012
2:05 pm

RG-

No! It’s all about MAKING MONEY! I sell surplus Doom and Gloom, than I rent out a Get A Grip Friend to the same folks I sold the doom and gloom to in the first place, thus making them pay me twice :D

RC

March 5th, 2012
2:05 pm

Can anyone who’s there tell if the strike-zone is being called wide? Just strange to see McCann, Hinske, and Heyward all called out looking at strikes.

Or am I just trying to read too much into the 3rd game of the spring, and 4th or 5th AB of the spring for those guys?

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
2:06 pm

Altuve pops out to Hinske…

Mixxo

March 5th, 2012
2:08 pm

Was out mowing the lawn VJ and missed it….relax. ;)

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
2:08 pm

Bogusevic – 2-2 count against Fish – fastball to the screen – full count…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
2:09 pm

Chopper to Uggla – bad throw, one hop into dugout…

David O'Brien

March 5th, 2012
2:09 pm

Two-base throwing error on Uggla on high throw to 1st base on Bogusevic grounder, then he steals 3rd on lefty Fish

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
2:09 pm

Stolen Base – runner at 3rd…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
2:11 pm

Martinez batting with infield in – grounder to Terdoslavich – holds runner, out at first…

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