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Larry
March 5th, 2012
8:51 am
Donovan,
Great analagy!
Touché!
Lobosolo
March 5th, 2012
8:53 am
You know, if you’re going to take the time to set these bimbos straight by retoting to these yaboes, in the same vernacular that they use, DOB, you should let the comments GO THROUGH… maybe you just like reading their gibberish…
Lobosolo
March 5th, 2012
8:53 am
retorting
Lobosolo
March 5th, 2012
8:57 am
Larry, no surprise you liked Donovan’s comments… neither of you know what you’re talking about and have no business commenting on a game you so obviously can’t understand… Neither of you should be able to look in a mirror and call yourselves a Brave’s fan… Mitchell and the rest of you maroons, too… Put your money where your mouth is… Don’t watch!!! Go away!!! All of you blubberers keep saying that, ad nauseum, but you’re still here…. Go somewhere, get a clue…
Lobosolo
March 5th, 2012
9:00 am
“Loosing”??? “memroial” “there 10th win”? Wow, your grammar and spelling match up well with your logic…. go back to school…
coach joe
March 5th, 2012
9:01 am
Second spring training game and only two regulars make the trip? First game must have worn everyone out.
Medlan will be in that rotation by May.Too many questions,injuries, and too many youngsters..(?)
Go Braves..
The Hammer
March 5th, 2012
9:02 am
It is obvious the vast, vast majority of you people have no idea what Spring Training is all about. You don’t play to win in ST. You play to work on baseball skills and situational hitting. How many of you have regularly attended minor league games, which are simply an extended “Spring Training” for players not in the MLB? If anyone has attended more than a few minor league games, you would realize that the managers are paid to develop the skills of talent, not necessarily win (which is simply a bonus). No one serious about baseball care if you go completely winless in ST, because winning games isn’t what matters. Why are you people who know next to nothing about baseball commenting? You’re ignorant, shut up.
Cam
March 5th, 2012
9:06 am
Come on people this is ridiculous. You become hysterical and panic at the drop of a hat, It’s early, they’ll be just fine. Chill out.
veer
March 5th, 2012
9:13 am
Teheran isn’t a solid prospect.
Noway do you give up 6 homeruns in a game in 2 innings.
This guy is a bust
Lou
March 5th, 2012
9:20 am
These are signs of things to come. Teams have players that go hitless during the season, but the Braves go thru periods when the whole team can’t hit or pitch. Has to be the manager and coaches. The Braves had better start getting some real baseball people in charge of this team, start replacing now. Begin with Wren and go down.
Rick
March 5th, 2012
9:20 am
“Teheran isn’t a solid prospect.
Noway do you give up 6 homeruns in a game in 2 innings.
This guy is a bust”
So all the scouting on him is incorrect and nullified because of one bad outing in the first game of spring training? Come on dude, at least let him a get a few starts in before you start making ridiculous judgements. He may not make the big league club this season, but he’s got a lot of potential. He gave up more HRs in those 2 innings than he did in his entire minor league season last year. He’s young and still learning.
don
March 5th, 2012
9:20 am
Fredi, like Bob before him, would have put a positive spin on the Titanic disaster.
Rick
March 5th, 2012
9:22 am
“Teams have players that go hitless during the season, but the Braves go thru periods when the whole team can’t hit or pitch. Has to be the manager and coaches. The Braves had better start getting some real baseball people in charge of this team, start replacing now. Begin with Wren and go down.”
So the players don’t perform because of the management? That makes no sense at all.
GaryinBham
March 5th, 2012
9:27 am
BLEAHHHH! There. Got that over with. Okay, next up.
Mitchell
March 5th, 2012
9:33 am
Ted
March 5th, 2012
6:58 am
It is 2 meaningless pre-season games guys. Give me a break.
Exactly but when a team chokes three years in a row in the month of September and steals defeat from the jaws of victory in their lone playoff appearance, how ’bout we retire the phrase “the sky is falling”?
And when the Braves are one hit and 18 run’d in consecutive Spring Training games, maybe just let the folks who want to do a little bashing get it out of their system.
Okay? Thanks.
RTR14
March 5th, 2012
9:40 am
John,Greg, Tommy are not walking through that door!!
Long season ahead for us brave fans!!!
Rick
March 5th, 2012
9:52 am
“maybe just let the folks who want to do a little bashing get it out of their system.”
As long as the Braves are playing, there’s going to be bashing. Even when they are playing well and lose one game the criticism is unending. It makes one wonder why these people are following the team at all.
orange brave f/k/a billy jacks bbq
March 5th, 2012
10:04 am
the pitching performance does not bother me, it is the lack of offense that is scary.
Finkerstein
March 5th, 2012
10:05 am
18 runs? Is Lowe back?
faux positive
March 5th, 2012
10:07 am
This was only the 2nd exhibition game. The young pitchers have to experience pitching to major league hitters. Tehran was awful but maybe he learned something from it. That’s why this is spring training. I’ve always felt mcdowell was not a good pitching coach, and still do. Leo may not be the answer but another coach may be. I wonder how many pitching injuries wil occur this season? Unfortunately the braves continue to exhibit lifelessless offensively. The Tigers are also in spring training but had more zip to them. Maybe the Braves are the real zombies of atlanta.
Fastball
March 5th, 2012
10:11 am
Trade Bourne to Washington.
Cam
March 5th, 2012
10:13 am
The Braves organization has plenty of talent, they need to do a better job of develping it. Other teams do far more with less talent.
randy cason
March 5th, 2012
10:17 am
hate baseball,is stupid,boring and these guy’s make way to much money
Nelly
March 5th, 2012
10:26 am
Fredi is a classic excuse maker who is totally out of his league. Just listen to an interview, read a quote, anything. It’s sad that they pay this man to pretend to run a baseball team. He is soft and not a leader.
LWells2000
March 5th, 2012
10:31 am
After losing the first game with a 1 hitter and the second one by 16 runs, wake me up for the 2013 season~
Don
March 5th, 2012
10:39 am
The manager is in control of what the players do – cutting down on the swing etc – if he wants to be – he can bench them if they do not follow the hitting coach’s instrucitons.
The reason that Andruw Jones continuously ignored the instrucitons from the hitting coach was that he knew that Bobby Cox was not going to back the hitting coach up by benching him.
I wonder if Fredi is enough of a Bobby Cox clone that this will continued?????
Elizabeth
March 5th, 2012
10:44 am
Really Braves fans? It’s the second day of spring. Almost every guy in that line up is just fighting for a roster spot at this time. Then look at Prado, he went 2-3.
Spring means nothing. It’s just a time to work on your pitching, hitting, control, and timing. I’d rather them all slump now and get it over with then have another fail September.
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
March 5th, 2012
10:44 am
The Braves seasonis over b 4 it even strated. Classic Braves screw ups. U never should of had hired a managar with a loosing record to begin with in the fist place.
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
March 5th, 2012
10:47 am
Sprig means nothin? If they are working on there pitching and hitting they R not working hard enuff! FYI, the spring slup U speak of is left over form last season. It will contnu for a long time I predict the Braves get there 10th win around memorial day.
Greg Mendel
March 5th, 2012
10:52 am
Spring Training games really don’t count, and players really should be working on technique and getting in shape. Yes, the season is long. A marathon, not a sprint. I know all that, and I’m just a fan, not an expert.
But I’m a fan who was frustrated last April and May, when it seemed the pitchers were the only players who knew Spring Training was over. Losing games by one, two, or no runs happens, but the long spell of anemic hitting started early last year.
If you jog early in a marathon — while everybody else is running — you may have to sprint to catch up. That’s what worries me about the Braves. It’s more “concerned frustration” than criticism.
Rick
March 5th, 2012
10:57 am
“Sprig means nothin? If they are working on there pitching and hitting they R not working hard enuff! FYI, the spring slup U speak of is left over form last season. It will contnu for a long time I predict the Braves get there 10th win around memorial day.”
You’re evaluating the work they are putting in by two games? A good portion of which their regular lineup and starting rotation were not even involved in? At least give them a couple weeks of ST before you start to make such brash predictions.
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
March 5th, 2012
11:00 am
Rick
I am evalating the Braves form last year 2. The had all winter 2 think about it and it seem they care even less ten B 4.
Paul
March 5th, 2012
11:02 am
IT’S SPRING TRAINING. Oh my GOD. What is WRONG with some of you?
Rick
March 5th, 2012
11:03 am
“I am evalating the Braves form last year 2. The had all winter 2 think about it and it seem they care even less ten B 4.”
Read any quotes from the players and it is quite obvious they care. Whether they execute or not is a completely different issue. They could play terribly, but it doesn’t mean they don’t care.
therut
March 5th, 2012
11:04 am
Bobby Cox would have said he thought Delgado looked GREAT!
therut
March 5th, 2012
11:06 am
Fire Freddy G. during spring training. Please!
benchwarmer
March 5th, 2012
11:09 am
Braves could lose every spring training game and still have a decent enought spring. Winning is important but finding out what’s what and working on improvement and remedies IS spring training. The goal is taking off like a rocket on opening day.
b
March 5th, 2012
11:34 am
Fredi’s favorite quote is “you know what”. Just listen to his interviews.
athensmatt
March 5th, 2012
12:04 pm
Stiff wind blowing out to right field, huh? I guess it must’ve died down when the Braves were up to bat.
Mike
March 5th, 2012
12:18 pm
Man some of you people are so dumb. 1) it is ST! These types of games happen all the time. Just let the guys get their feet wet, get into shape and work. Big deal we have a whooping 8 hits. IT IS ST! 2) The wind was ridiculous according to the radio call. They said stuff that would normally be a routine fly ball was going out. 3) Medlen will not be the 5th starter out of camp they have basically made that clear. It is more than likely Minor.
Mike
March 5th, 2012
12:20 pm
athensmatt- If you looked at the Braves lineup yesterday they did not have any of their notable LHB in. The radio made it out to be more of a cross wind LF to RF so balls hit to RF would carry while those hit to LF tended to be knocked down.
TennesseePaul
March 5th, 2012
12:34 pm
Just all around a tough day to toe the rubber.
Unless you were a Tiger.
robdawg08
March 5th, 2012
12:34 pm
Same conditions for both teams. Tigers score 18 Braves 3 ? I’m glad the Braves don’t play in AL.
robdawg08
March 5th, 2012
12:36 pm
Its hard to blame the wind when the wind don’t do the same for you…
robdawg08
March 5th, 2012
12:37 pm
It was probably David Ross calling for straight fastballs (as he said himself). Any major leaguer can hit a straight fastball on a tee… Fredi should have a talk with Ross about pitch selection.
robdawg08
March 5th, 2012
12:39 pm
So how did revitalized Jason Heyward do in 1st two games ?
Rick
March 5th, 2012
12:43 pm
“Its hard to blame the wind when the wind don’t do the same for you…”
Were the Braves hitting deep fly balls to right field?
“It was probably David Ross calling for straight fastballs (as he said himself). Any major leaguer can hit a straight fastball on a tee… Fredi should have a talk with Ross about pitch selection.”
As he explained, there was a reasoning behind calling for fastballs. It’s not something he would do in an actual game.
evan
March 5th, 2012
12:45 pm
Wow. Ross is so spot on its ridiculous. It is unbelieveable he is the backup catcher. What a show of leadership and intelligence to put a poor pitching performance into perspective and know what to say to a young pitcher. Class act and a solid leader
Mike
March 5th, 2012
1:14 pm
Glad to see that the wind didn’t hurt the Tiger’s staff or help our hitting.
It’s very early but for a team that struggles at the plate… not very encouraging.
Rufio
March 5th, 2012
1:25 pm
Here we get an article from the AJC reporting that most of the team showed up to spring training motivated to show that last September was a fluke. Now, this past weekend our offense is nowhere to be found and one the pitchers we heard was in the run to get a pitching job get shelled for 6 home runs.
As a,fan, it is hard to get excited about the “status quo” approach the Braves have chosen to take even after the “Team Mea Culpa” letter Shuerholtz penned.
Until the Braves improve, I thinks the fans have a right to “complain or whine”. I remember when the Braves won the Grapefruit League under Joe Torre. They made a Grapefruit League Pennant and hung it up to show the players the importance of winning. You have a manager who has a good background and has potential. The same can be said for most of the players and GM. The Braves need to start winning even if it is a meaningless spring training game. If not, we are headed back to the Braves before Bobby Cox took back the dugout.
Freddi, you need to start winning and stop making excuses in the press. In fact, you may want to stop talking to the press after a loss.
billy walsh
March 5th, 2012
1:33 pm
By the blog’s logic…Teheran and Delgado are going to be busts…BUT… by Mike Minors two innings pitched equates to 20+ wins 300 k’s and a sub 2 era.
Rick
March 5th, 2012
1:38 pm
Rufio, it’s been two games. I understand the frustration but at least give them a couple weeks before all the doom and gloom talk starts up again.
Braint
March 5th, 2012
2:07 pm
I just read the article and have not read any of the posts but my initial thought is : A manager should never ever allow a young pitcher to stand there and give up 6 HRs. Completely ridiculous and not at all surprising with this goof.
Mike
March 5th, 2012
2:14 pm
Seriously? “Tough to blame the conditions when both teams had the same?” Not really. Again the wind was blowing LF to RF. The Tigers were using a lot of LHB. Atlanta did not. McCann, Freeman, Chipper, Heyward were all given the day off. Uggla was sitting as well.
Rick
March 5th, 2012
2:59 pm
“I just read the article and have not read any of the posts but my initial thought is : A manager should never ever allow a young pitcher to stand there and give up 6 HRs. Completely ridiculous and not at all surprising with this goof.”
It’s spring training. The goal is to correct the things they are doing wrong.
cowdogit
March 5th, 2012
3:10 pm
Leo Mazzone fourteen division titles, Roger McDowell six years zero division titles.Glavine,Smoltz,and Maddux never had any major arm problems until Leo left the team.Under Roger, Glavine, Smoltz and Hudson, have broken down.The young guns like Hanson are already starting to show signs of major arm problems. Leo was not at Baltimore long enough to turn the program around.
NICK
March 5th, 2012
3:23 pm
And they want the fans to pay double the ticket pricing this year after raising the prices. Not me.
Brave New World
March 5th, 2012
3:26 pm
Spring training is when MLB players get in shape for the season, when the games actually count. The sky is only falling for those who do not understand this.
Rick
March 5th, 2012
5:02 pm
“Leo Mazzone fourteen division titles, Roger McDowell six years zero division titles.Glavine,Smoltz,and Maddux never had any major arm problems until Leo left the team.Under Roger, Glavine, Smoltz and Hudson, have broken down.The young guns like Hanson are already starting to show signs of major arm problems. Leo was not at Baltimore long enough to turn the program around.”
You’re just making assumptions. Without specifics you have no base to argue that McDowell is causing more injuries. Hudson is just getting older and has had back problems for a while, he just finally decided to get the surgery. Hanson’s arm motion is probably more conducive to shoulder issues.
BartBuzz
March 5th, 2012
5:25 pm
It’s Spring Training guys. How about a little perspective. But personally I don’t think Teheran will make the starting rotation anyway.
Bobby's Chauffeur
March 6th, 2012
5:55 am
David I know you sense the frustration of some of these “fans”. However you must giggle at some of the ridiculous comments. “The season is over” “These young arms are a bust” “It is Sept all over again” etc. etc. Sure we could be mediocre this year, but I see a winning season, barring injuries if everyone plays to their potential. All in all it makes good fodder for the ole blog and I too get to giggle at some of the more absurd comments. I can’t wait for the warm weather, sitting in the stands, eating an over priced hot dog and watching some baseball. Life is good!
Week One Wraps Up in Braves Camp « BravesLog
March 8th, 2012
8:04 pm
[...] sometimes that’s just how it goes. Most games have been closely contested (except for that 18-3 train wreck in which everyone whose ever been to a Tigers game took Teheran deep), and the Braves have given us [...]
Braveslog
March 8th, 2012
8:06 pm
That was a rough one. A look back at week one in camp here:
http://braveslog.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/atlanta_braves_spring_training_week_one/