On McCann’s next deal, Moneyball and more

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Ease

March 5th, 2012
12:27 pm

Both have not pitched up to their potential,

Here’s a better stat…

Delgado
1 IP,

Teheran
2 IP

:roll:

nolie

March 5th, 2012
12:29 pm

tight race, no doubt.
hey, maybe we can trade them both for a real good backup SS

brian

March 5th, 2012
12:30 pm

exactly Ease – not a very big sample size was it

Murph

March 5th, 2012
12:30 pm

MFin, if those guys still have ERA’s in the 30’s come April 1, then it might be time to show a little concern… Even then I won’t worry until they do the same in a regular season game.

Spring Training… it’s the jumping jacks of the baseball season. A time to get warmed up without worrying too much about how stupid you might look.

ncscoots

March 5th, 2012
12:31 pm

BTW … did everyone see how Houston lit up Strasburg?

But…but…aren’t the Nats one of the blog darlings, having improved so much that the Braves are doomed to be looking up at them in the standings.

Oh, wait a minute. They’re 0-2 in ST games. Guess the Nats are toast, too.

DAP

March 5th, 2012
12:34 pm

murph I guess the dreams of a trade for McCutchen can be put to rest now after signing his 6 year extension

the pirates traded nate mclouth to the braves the summer after signing him to an extension. keepin the dream alive…

CB

March 5th, 2012
12:34 pm

Some of you guys are a trip. Don’t you realize the world is ending in Dec. ? We have to win all the games,even spring training.

Tomahawkin

March 5th, 2012
12:35 pm

Even though the Nats have Owned the Braves since 2005, I’m not sold on them…They seem to not be able to beat up on the Garbage teams but we still make them look playoff caliber…

I’m not sold on them until I see them at or near 2nd place come Sept 1st….

BravePack

March 5th, 2012
12:37 pm

If I remember correctly Kimbrel started out slow in his 1st outings last year in ST and I think we all know how his season turned out. Please ignore the final month though as Fredi was to blame for that and his overuse of O’Ventbrel all season.

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
12:38 pm

A video game simulation I saw had the Nats and A’s playing in the World Series. Also had my worst nightmare come true when we lost in a 1-game playoff to the Marlins…after we finished the season 4 or 5 games ahead of them.

ncscoots

March 5th, 2012
12:39 pm

The other blog darling, the Marlins, though…well, they’ve certainly opened up the right way. They are undefeated in their intra-squad scrimmages. Phillies beware.

ncscoots

March 5th, 2012
12:40 pm

Also had my worst nightmare come true when we lost in a 1-game playoff to the Marlins…after we finished the season 4 or 5 games ahead of them.

You probably hated the last post-season, then, when the team with the poorer record won most of the playoff series.

ncscoots

March 5th, 2012
12:42 pm

A video game simulation I saw had the Nats and A’s playing in the World Series. Also had my worst nightmare come true when we lost in a 1-game playoff to the Marlins…after we finished the season 4 or 5 games ahead of them.

That would mean the Phillies finished fourth in the division. That the way you see it? :-)

Fish Bisch

March 5th, 2012
12:44 pm

Jordan Lyles and Zach Duke owns us :(

Fish Bisch

March 5th, 2012
12:46 pm

How many HRs will the Astro’s lineup hit against the Braves today?
1. Jordan Schafer (CF)
2. Jose Altuve (2B)
3. Brian Bogusevic (RF)
4. J.D. Martinez (LF)
5. Jack Cust (DH)
6. Jed Lowrie (SS)
7. Matt Downs (3B)
8. Scott Moore (1B)
9. Jason Castro (C)

jones boys, no relation

March 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

that is one turrrible lineup

brian

March 5th, 2012
12:48 pm

McCutchen is not off limits due to the extension but his price tag sure went up in regards to trade.

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
12:49 pm

“You probably hated the last post-season, then, when the team with the poorer record won most of the playoff series.”

Nope. The Cardinals were destined to win the Wild Card and the World Series the moment they swept the Braves in St Louis.

As for the Phillies finishing 4th…I don’t see that happening, but I suppose if Ryan Howard and one more player missed significant time with an injury, they very well could be in 4th. The Nats and Marlins have a chance to be good. As do the Braves.

JRW

March 5th, 2012
12:53 pm

Tomahawkin – Now what is our Plan B once The Bourne Identity Goes Elsewhere???

I’m Guessing Shane Pestorino???

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This is from the Phillies web site – Victorino said this week he would prefer to make a deal with Philadelphia sooner rather than later. He also said he is looking for a five-year deal, but is willing to take a reasonable hometown discount to avoid free agency.

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
12:55 pm

Cool website with all the NL lineups and rotations predicted:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/springtraining/lineups/nl

Marlins and Nationals have pretty good lineups and rotations this next year…

Murph

March 5th, 2012
12:56 pm

I’m looking forward to catching some games in Houston this year… I’d imagine by June I should be able to get seats right behind home plate for around $10 or so.

They seem so lost as a franchise. That being said, look for Schafer to go 3-3 today. He’s got something to prove, and he’ll probably look pretty good given that the games don’t count.

Tomahawkin

March 5th, 2012
12:57 pm

Peep This

Did Anyone noticed in the Astros game yesterday? That Jordan Schafer has put on A lot of Weight???

We will see how much he has put on again today?

3 years ago Jordan Schafer was a Stick compared to now, he has filled out his frame

Tomahawkin

March 5th, 2012
12:59 pm

@Murph

“They seem so lost as a franchise. That being said, look for Schafer to go 3-3 today. He’s got something to prove, and he’ll probably look pretty good given that the games don’t count.”

Oh You already Know!

Schafer will Clown against us this year, much like Rick Stankiel Killed us when he was with the Nats last year…

JRW

March 5th, 2012
12:59 pm

MFin04 – As for the Phillies finishing 4th…I don’t see that happening, but I suppose if Ryan Howard and one more player missed significant time with an injury, they very well could be in 4th. The Nats and Marlins have a chance to be good. As do the Braves.
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As long as the injuries don’t hit on of the three “aces” the Phillies will not finish below 2nd in the division. They won 102 last year with out a 20 game winner, a regular closer, and Palanco and Utley missing many games.

Murph

March 5th, 2012
1:00 pm

That Jordan Schafer has put on A lot of Weight???

Peanut butter cups are fattening… or so I’ve heard.

Tomahawkin

March 5th, 2012
1:01 pm

Gwinnett County Braves already having bad attendance the last 3 years running…

What a Shocker…I called that Fiasco from the start…

The Gwinnett Team does nothing for me even if I live 20 minutes away….

What The....?

March 5th, 2012
1:01 pm

Pretty Cool! Chipper plays part of one game, gets second game off, calls in sick in game three.

Don’t think we have too worry much about Chipper hitting the number of games mark to kick in his auto-option.

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
1:03 pm

JRW – Yes, but the Marlins, Nationals, and Braves being much better teams, could very well cut into the Phillies success. It’s not so much that the Phillies got worse, as much as other teams got older/better.

Shaun

March 5th, 2012
1:04 pm

“Hudson’s character (like the others of the Big Three starters for those A’s) got short shrift in the Moneyball book and movie, but the Justice character has a pretty big role in the movie.”

Yes, because the focus of Moneyball, the book, was what the A’s did unconventionally to keep pace with teams like the Yankees. Lewis focused on the things that other teams were mostly undervaluing. He didn’t focus on the things the A’s had that pretty much every team valued appropriately, because that’s not what the book was about.

As far as the movie, I look at it differently than the book. It is sort of a dramatized compression of events that happened over several decades to several characters, if you will, not just the 2002 A’s.

A Peter Brand didn’t just show up on the scene to clue Billy Beane in on what types of things were being undervalued in the baseball player market. And the makers of Moneyball the movie didn’t claim to be making an entirely realistic account of what actually happened.

Most of the characters are indeed real people, of course, but the movie is more of a dramatic overview of how the industry began to use methods that weren’t widespread in order to start to more accurately valuate players. Using the 2002 A’s and Moneyball as the backdrop just made it easier and more entertaining as a mainstream Hollywood story rather than trying to tell the story in a long documentary type format.

If you think of trying to make it completely realistic, it wouldn’t make for a very entertaining movie. What actually happened is probably not all that worthy of a movie: The A’s are implementing some of the ideas brought up in Bill James’ writing in their front office strategies in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s. Billy Beane retires and moves to the A’s front office, and picks up on these ideas. By the time he becomes a GM, he is more open about using these ideas than most other GM’s who may be using them. There is a little bit of tension between Beane and other people in the organization but most people are more or less open-minded about Beane implementing certain ideas that are not really in the mainstream. And the A’s end up winning 100 games twice and 90-plus six times in seven seasons. The real story is sort of difficult and much too complicated to condense into typical dramatic movie-length story.

Shaun

March 5th, 2012
1:06 pm

Murph, the Astros are changing things dramatically in their front office and I think they’ll be relevant again.

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
1:07 pm

If Shaun could break up his posts into Ward like posts…he’d lead the blog in posting every single blog. ;)

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
1:07 pm

Pastornicky with a hit! WOOHOO! 8)

bravesgirlnc

March 5th, 2012
1:10 pm

Anyone have a radio stream?

JRW

March 5th, 2012
1:10 pm

13+ games better? If the Philles lose 10% more games than last year the Braves would have to finish 3 games better, The Nats would have to finish 13 games better, and the Marlins would have to finish 21 games better. to by-pass them. I don’t see things changing that much in one off season barring the major injuries you discussed.

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

1st and 3rd 1-out. Single by McCann.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:11 pm

McCann singles, Rev to 3rd…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:13 pm

bravesgirlnc – no streaming (at least on Braves side)…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:14 pm

Uggla walks to load the bases…

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

JRW – It isn’t that hard to make up that many games, especially when all 4 of those teams play head to head so often. Sweep a 3 game series, and you have a 6 game swing in the standings. 2 or 3 teams do that, and you have made up a lot of games in the NL East standings.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:15 pm

Hinske up, one out…

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:16 pm

And strikes out…

MFin04

March 5th, 2012
1:17 pm

JASON HEYWARD! 8)

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:17 pm

Jason singles in 2 runs!!!

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

Note – Mac scores from second!

Murph

March 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

Hinske… he’s consistent. :)

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:18 pm

Terdoslavich ends the inning flying to Schaefer…

Murph

March 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

Note – Mac scores from second!

Burned off his 4 egg McMuffin breakfast with that run… get him some oxygen and give him the rest of the day off!

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

David O'Brien

March 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

NEW BLOGGAGE

Braves up 2-0 on Heyward’s two-run, two-out single in 1st inning

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:20 pm

charlotte observer

March 5th, 2012
1:21 pm

… I’m searching for a streaming link. Looks like MLB’s .. not letting any stations slip through the cracks. All of my standby’s … are streaming talk radio. If someone finds a stream … please post. It will be greatly appreciated.

Venice Jim

March 5th, 2012
1:22 pm

charlotte observer – game is not on Braves’ network at all today…

JRW

March 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

I understand that MFin04. But I’m looking at the total season. I don’t see the Phillies finishing below 93-94 wins (Approx 10% less than last year). Do the Nationals, Braves and Marlins have that many wins in them? It would take outstanding years for those three teams to finish with 94 wins and a real down year for the Phillies.to finish with less than that.

wreckbuzz

March 5th, 2012
3:49 pm

DOB,

One thing I think you fail to mention is how easier it would be to fit McCann’s new contract on the payroll after Chipper Jones retires. Also, Tim Hudson will come off the books in another year too. That’s around $22million less payroll than the current year. And with young stars at several positions (Heyward, Pastornicky, Freeman), rotation (Hanson, Beachy, Minor, Delgado, Teheran, Medlen) and bullpen (Kimbrel, Venters, Vizcaino) and prospects on the horizon at other spots (Andrelton Simmons, Edward Salcedo, Matt Lipka, Christian Bethancourt), the Braves are not about to have an exploding payroll.

They can pay McCann while all these other young guys mature and reach free agency, then they can re-evaluate an aging McCann.

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