7:32 pm February 29, 2012, by David O'Brien
March 2nd, 20123:17 pm
Baseball isn’t a 1 game sport that’s why its 162 games long. That’s why the world series winners are determined by best of 7. The more games played the more it proves who is the better team. Good teams lose to bad teams all the time, and vice versa. But hey overtime the best one’s are determined. 1 game isn’t enough.
VaBravesFan – not arguing with the perspective of it as a complete joke I just think we should be clear it is just a different joke. If you consider the goal of the World Series to crown the best team in baseball in a given year Its been a joke for quite a while.
March 2nd, 20123:18 pm
well sure they are immutable til the end of time, this is the last season B4 Dec 21, 2012
March 2nd, 20123:19 pm
brekky whatup man…was talking about you last night
March 2nd, 20123:20 pm
nole with his reality check of course
I guess what die-hard Braves fans should pray for this year
Good grief. What they should “pray for” is that the team plays to its potential, not that they should be able to weasel into the playoffs through some tricked-up everybody-gets-a-trophy mechanism. Win the dang division, fercrissake. It ain’t rocket science.
samantha – welcome to atlanta looking forward to having you on the blog…some of the folks can be a bit rough they are just trying to weed out the weak so we can have a nice strong diaolgue
March 2nd, 20123:21 pm
now granted i don’t like the new format either/ i think the more logical solution is to add 2 new teams
realign to 8 divisions . 4 teams in each division, 8 division winners advance
man I guess I’m on scoots scroll by list now
March 2nd, 20123:24 pm
Playoff teams are given a chance to play in a series. The better team will win. The loser can’t say they didn’t have ample opportunity. A 1 game playoff is crazy. Imagine if the Phillies are a wild card team. I guess 2 out of Halladay, Lee, and Hamels will have ZERO impact on moving on in the playoffs. It doesn’t make sense. So 2 of the best pitchers in all of baseball, don’t even get on the field.
scoots – we talking about determing best team in baseball and you want divisions? Gimme 2 leagues no interleague play and a 15 game world series among the top record in each league
man I guess I’m on scoots scroll by list
Not hardly. It’s just more fun to pick at Shaun, when I’m in the mood to do so.
ncscoots and ncgary, the strength of the divisions will change. But the possibility that mediocre teams winning weak divisions will get an edge over superior teams that aren’t lucky enough to have the opportunity to win that weak division will remain constant.
So maybe this year the Braves will get bent over by playing in a strong division and not being lucky enough to play in a division they can easily win. Maybe in 5 years it will be the Cubs or the Reds or the Diamondbacks or some other team.
Baseball should reward winning games primarily, not just winning divisions. Because a team has no control over the division in which it plays. Yet, which division is going to be a huge factor in terms of which teams get a postseason edge, wins and losses could very well be secondary.
I’m sure the 2005 82-win Padres would have greatly appreciated being treated, in the postseason, as a superior team to the 89-win Astros. Oh, that’s right. The Astros would have had the same “competitive opportunities” as the Padres. I guess the Astros could have had the opportunity to petition MLB to let them in the weak NL West for that season, so they could be treated like they were the better team in the postseason.
March 2nd, 20123:25 pm
I think its pretty crappy that its gonna end on the 21st. when just another week woulda given us one more buncha Christmas gifts
I agree with scoots.
Instead of poor mouthing, the Braves need to win the division and let everyone else worry about the wild card play in game.
March 2nd, 20123:26 pm
Thank you Tiger, Still having a little rough time, but better. I think I am going to have to change my cell number where he will leave me alone
March 2nd, 20123:27 pm
we talking about determing best team in baseball and you want divisions? Gimme 2 leagues no interleague play and a 15 game world series among the top record in each league
Hey, that’s closer to something I’d like, than most other scenarios. It’s not that I “want” divisions, or anything like. But, they exist, along with unbalanced schedules weighted to the divisions, so it’s a matter of finding at least something that keeps a slight shred of integrity to playing 162.
the better team does not always win a series regardless of 3/5/7 games it just isn’t reality. The hottest team might beat a better team that is slumping (and we don’t have to go back far to point out examples). It doesn’t make them a better team just because they won the series.
March 2nd, 20123:29 pm
change it now leave them and get on with life…and remember AT&T is better than the other carriers
tiger – g’day, just watchin the Apple stock market here, Apple Apple Apple, seems to drive everyone’s truck these days, nothing new from Australia
True, but only 1 game is a joke. Atleast by giving a team 3 to 7 games to compete gives them a chance. The whole roster sent the team to the playoffs. Not 1 starting pitcher.
March 2nd, 20123:30 pm
Oh, that’s right. The Astros would have had the same “competitive opportunities” as the Padres
You seriously don’t have any clue as to what I mean by “competitive opportunity”, do you, LOL?
March 2nd, 20123:31 pm
So Justin Bieber gets a $100,000 Fisker Karma for his 18th birthday? When I turned 18, I got a 1950 Ford 2 Door Coupe that would fly and was about the most fun car I ever owned. It only cost me $200, which was about $100 too much. But I can’t sing either, oh well.
March 2nd, 20123:32 pm
scoots – the money isn’t there to support our view of the world we live in…it is why I really don’t put much stock in world series trophies. Sure they are fun to look at but that trophy isn’t where I get my enjoyment of the game its the 7-8 months I get to watch games plus the time I get to spend discussing it with friends.
Maybe that makes me a loser but I loved my braves just as much in the ’80’s as I did in ‘95 and I will continue to feel that way if they never win another one.
March 2nd, 20123:34 pm
brekky-so I guess that means no trips to atlanta this year…
March 2nd, 20123:35 pm
I’m an old man, still like no divisions, National league winner plays American no playoffs, just two winners playing each other. That being said, that is not what we have had in years. Doesn’t really matter, enjoy 162 games every year, if you get more, have fun, if not, it will be April before you know it.
ncscoots, look at 2005. The Padres got into the playoffs because of some tricked-up everybody-gets-a-trophy mechanism,” and under the new system would have gotten a bye in the one-game round because of “some tricked-up everybody-gets-a-trophy mechanism.”
Okay, fine. Had they had the one-game system that year, the Astros should have won the NL Central that year and they wouldn’t have had to worry had they been playing under that system. However, what about the fact that the Padres would have been treated like a superior team to the Astros in the postseason under the one-game playoff system, even more so than they were under the previous system. That’s the issue.
The Astros would have had no control. They outplayed the Padres over 162 games. Several teams outplayed the Padres over 162 games. Yet, the Padres are one of the three teams in the entire league getting the pass while a couple of the other superior teams get a disadvantage of playing a one-game playoff and the rest don’t even make the playoffs.
“At least by giving a team 3 to 7 games to compete gives them a chance.”
I really hate the new playoff format, hopefully it doesn’t go through somehow. I think I’d probably be ok with a 3 game series. A one game series really isn’t even baseball. There is no real usage of your bullpen or starters, because basically anyone and everyone is queued up for a 1 game series.
March 2nd, 20123:37 pm
Sam you’re back….hooray! Glad to have you back…you going to stick around?
It doesn’t make them a better team just because they won the series.
It does, however, make them the winner. Which is kinda what counts.
In any event, as long as you have multiple teams in each league playing multiple games against each other, the probability is going to increase that talent will not win out. Nothing to be done about that, I’m afraid. Certainly, a one-game play-in does nothing to harm the current playoff system, given that it seldom produces the best two teams playing in the WS. Once you accept that premise, everything else is fairly irrelevant.
March 2nd, 20123:38 pm
You hit nail on the head. 100% agreed.
Since I work nights, can anyone tell me the first home day game for braves?
March 2nd, 20123:40 pm
ncscoots, a team in a weak division doesn’t have the same competitive opportunities as a team in a strong division, under this format. Pretty obvious.
but that trophy isn’t where I get my enjoyment of the game
Oh, nor I. I’m a baseball fan, not a “winning” fan. I prefer winning to losing, I’ll admit, but I prefer a good baseball game over either.
March 2nd, 20123:42 pm
Its baseball folks
oh yeah and its absolutely our right to bitch about it
you’re kinda like the anti-Mitchell scoots
March 2nd, 20123:44 pm
tiger – may try to get down there some time, depends on the missus’ time table.. quite busy of late (she is)
March 2nd, 20123:45 pm
scoots – the relevance comment from you strikes me as kinda funny looking back at my 3:03 post
Don in TN
Bravo tiger, well said.
My parents would be so pleased to hear you say that, nolie.
Yes, BravesPack, I am going to change my cell number and wash him out of my life. I am working nights now and can hopefully find out when the Braves have a day game.
March 2nd, 20123:46 pm
and I think its fairly obvious we are quite closely aligned here
brekky – I fly low and slow but its quite faster than driving
March 2nd, 20123:47 pm
sam – atlantabraves.com has a schedule…I think it is the wednesday after their opening night
I watch baseball to enjoy each and every game I can… on mlb.tv I watch around 500-600 regular games a year plus YANKEES network, mlb on the idiot box.. there is joy and pain in every Braves game..
1 bleeding wild card playoff is HEAPS
Yessir. Which makes for little fun if I’m feeling a tiny bit snarky, LOL.
March 2nd, 20123:48 pm
here is the link 4/18 it is a wednesday (obviously had I been wrong I wouldn’t have posted this )
I would be fine if they went back to having two divisions per league. Get rid of interleague play and go to a balanced schedule. Then they can award wild cards and it’s unlikely there would be 4 teams in one division with a record better than every team in the other division, so we’d get the best 4 teams in each league.
NL East: Marlins, Nats, Braves, Phillies, Mets, Pirates, Reds
NL West: Giants, Dodgers, D-Backs, Rockies, Padres, Cards, Brewers, Cubs
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles, Rays, Tigers, Indians
AL West: Angels, A’s, Rangers, Mariners, Astros, Twins, Royals, White Sox
I’m sure the one-game playoff will be fun to watch, but there’s a sense every year when your team makes the postseason that there’s a fresh start on the “new season.” Having to play a one-game playoff really makes it seem more like an extension to the regular season.
I’m just not a big fan of this. Either expand the playoffs or don’t. This seems like an in-between move to me. But they can’t really go to 12 teams without knocking a week or two off the regular season, so I understand the decision.
March 2nd, 20123:49 pm
I know kinda frustrating –
lets let nolie jump in here cause he doesn’t want good baseball games he wants braves up by 5 in the 4th every night I think
March 2nd, 20123:52 pm
doesn’t want good baseball games he wants braves up by 5 in the 4th every night
I have to admit, that’s one of my definitions of “good”, LOL.
March 2nd, 20123:53 pm
Is alcohol allowed in the Braves’ clubhouse? Do off-day pitchers ever do what reportedly went on in the Red Sox clubhouse?
If booze is allowed in the clubhouse, what does Chipper drink? I always pictured him with a PBR!
I like some scoring in games, but mostly I want Chipper to hit a homer and drive in at least three every game when it comes to Braves games
March 2nd, 20123:54 pm
We finally get the leagues balanced on numbers, and LK jumps right up with odd-numbered divisions.
Hope anyone and everyone affected by these tornadoes is safe. Thinking about you.
By your logic their shouldn’t be a playoff at all because the best team was determined by who had the best record. Playoffs are exciting and it brings eyeballs to the tv, which is what a sudden death game every year will do.
March 2nd, 20123:55 pm
I just want Hudson on the mound every night throwing 7 innings of sinkers and then have either Jonny rock n roll or Moylan throw the 8th and Kimber the Lion for a 162 save season to close
March 2nd, 20123:56 pm
but more games would mean more eyeballs
March 2nd, 20123:57 pm
nolie – heck yeah so do I
Thanks Tiger, I will be there. Thank for the info. Please inform everyone I will be gone a little while. I am going to change my cell number where this jerk will quit calling. He is driving me crazy. Bye for now.
March 2nd, 20123:59 pm
“We finally get the leagues balanced on numbers, and LK jumps right up with odd-numbered divisions.”
I know you’re kidding, but getting rid of interleague and the unbalanced schedule would open so many possibilities for setting up a simpler division and playoff structure.
March 2nd, 20124:00 pm
Agreed, thats why MLB added one.
March 2nd, 20124:01 pm
its like the last game of the season last year – it was a gut wrenching emotional rollercoaster and it was awful that the braves lost and their season was over. but it was 4 1/2 hours of amazing entertainment.
Just cause I didn’t like the ending doesn’t change the fact that I was definitely entertained.
March 2nd, 20124:02 pm
If you’d just answer the phone sometimes, you’d find out that I’m not such a jerk after all!
I’d rather them just have 8 teams in the playoffs instead of this stupid, 5 teams, 1-game playoff junk.
It’s just dumb. You could very well be penalizing a team with a better record versus a team that has clinched a playoff spot by winning in a bad division. Silly.
We went 90-72, you went 86-76, you beat us in a one game playoff…and you are in…YEAH for you.
Ridiculous. And what the heck is the 90-72 team going to do the last week of the season? Forfeit its games? Drink beer, eat fried chicken, and play video games in the clubhouse? They certainly don’t need to play any games the last week of the season.
March 2nd, 20124:03 pm
brekky – your scenario might be a bit rough on venters until may…since moylan won’t be back until then. kimmie can handle it I’m sure though
Any words on 1B ERNEST MEJIA and 3B JOE TERDO before the games begin tomorrow.
Looks like I’ll be in Atlanta during the week of April 16th (Mets series). In meetings during the days, but I hope to get to a game or two.
March 2nd, 20124:04 pm
Exactly, and now we get that every year.
if they had added three there would be even more eyeballs, I am not a fan of the one game and out setup
March 2nd, 20124:06 pm
Dadburn radar looks rough down ya’ll’s way
March 2nd, 20124:07 pm
I guess once the Wild Card game starters are determined the other 8 pitchers don’t even need to participate right? They work the whole season to help the team make the wild card and then have zero impact.
March 2nd, 20124:08 pm
Hello everyone! DOB,I was one who had interest as Braves fan in Grady,but after hearing things,and what happened to him. Every thing makes sense,and glad Braves didn’t even try for him,and glad I changed my mind after all that.
March 2nd, 20124:09 pm
Hey, where did Samantha go? Tiger, do you know?
Harry Hogge: All right. While we’re still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.
Cole Trickle: Hit the pace car?
Harry Hogge: Hit the pace car.
Cole Trickle: What for?
Harry Hogge: Because you’ve hit every other g..damned thing out there, I want you to be perfect.
Great to see basball back again……
heck yeah be excited to see you again
March 2nd, 20124:10 pm
“if they had added three there would be even more eyeballs, I am not a fan of the one game and out setup”
I don’t know about that, because this system is about as ridiculous as it gets. You play a bunch of 3 and 4 game series all year long, with a pitching rotation of 4 or 5 guys, and once you make the playoffs it now is down to a 1-game playoff? Just stupid.
At least with the 8 team playoff, you have a lot more talent separation. 1v 8, 2 v 7, 3v 6, 4 v 5
Phillies playing the Nationals in the first round of the playoffs.
Braves end up playing the Cardinals in the first round of the playoffs.
It definitely gives you more incentive to have the best record in the league, because you get a cakewalk first round series.
March 2nd, 20124:11 pm
Murph-You guys are comedy………The way you treat Samantha.Very funnny stuff…..
murph – no she said she was dropping off the blog for a while (not sure if that means a few minutes/hours/days) but I know you will be awaiting her return
March 2nd, 20124:13 pm
March 2nd, 20124:15 pm
the logical extension of that is a 15-team playoff. Play five months for seeding and have at it.
LK, yeah, just messin’ with ya.
March 2nd, 20124:16 pm
Going to order some Braves gear soon…..Haven’t finished ordering my Giant stuff yet.Can’t believe football is over. Time for March Madness to begin. Talk Later tonight,and peace out……..
March 2nd, 20124:25 pm
You should take a vacation from that cold loud wind ward
March 2nd, 20124:26 pm
Yeah, anyone still think that Ward isn’t Samantha? Raise your hands…
why have a regular season lets just start with the post-season?
March 2nd, 20124:32 pm
Home-and-home against every team in your league, one home-or-away series against every team in the other league, gets you to about 130. Top team in each league gets a first-round bye, seven games for every series. Owners with teams that continue to advance would probably end up with nearly the same number of home games as currently, WS is over in October. What’s not to like?
March 2nd, 20124:33 pm
I was just thinking of a 162 game non-elimination playoff and at the end the 2 best records play each other for say 9 games
March 2nd, 20124:34 pm
but I’m just a simpleton
March 2nd, 20124:36 pm
That works, too.
March 2nd, 20124:42 pm
Saints maintained “Bounty”program in NFL last three years Gotcha cheaters
March 2nd, 20124:43 pm
little one getting up time for me to leave the blog for a while
March 2nd, 20124:56 pm
Food for thought…
Now that the playoff format has changed…should the Braves have made more (any) off-season moves in order to win the division?
It has been my line of thinking for the last few years, that the Braves have not been trying to win the division, but merely win the wild card.
March 2nd, 20125:00 pm
Thoughts on the new playoff format? Will we be able to see wild card teams play against a team from the same division in the divisional round?
Klaw (3:48 PM)
Answer to the second question is yes. Answer to the first: I don’t like it. It destroys the potential for a final-day-2011 scenario. It further devalues the regular season. It’s a moneygrab, but at some point, MLB will grab and the money won’t be there.
March 2nd, 20125:04 pm
I am back. Got number changed. Saw your comment Murph. Believe what you want, it does not bother me any more. You are a jerk just like my EX.
March 2nd, 20125:09 pm
Prado’s skeptics are just another factor that’s motivating him
This is pretty funny..
Claudio (Pleasanton, CA)
Upside on Astros OF JD Martinez? Solid regular, above average or potential all-star team member? best lineup spot 3, 4, or 5
Klaw (4:21 PM)
Best lineup spot = bench.
March 2nd, 20125:12 pm
I’m all for two divisions in each league, and two wild cards in each league (since I know MLB is never going back to anything fewer than four playoff teams in each league. Make all series 7 games.
MFin04, I think all teams are just trying to do all they can to win as many games as they can without doing things like risking the future and making a bunch of risky moves. I don’t think teams think of it in terms of winning divisions versus wild cards. They are just trying to win as many games as possible within whatever constraints might be there. Of course a division title is the goal. But really all a front office can do is try to win as many games as possible when they are ready to contend or just try not to blow your budget if you think you aren’t capable of contending. I don’t think it’s really all that possible for a front office to focus on just doing enough to win a wild card.
March 2nd, 20125:16 pm
“I don’t think it’s really all that possible for a front office to focus on just doing enough to win a wild card.”
Yeh, but if the Braves were trying to win the division…you’d think they’d make a run at a Jose Reyes…Carlos Beltran, etc.
If they are trying to win the division, with the wild card as their backup, staying put was the obvious (cheapest) choice. But it also is the riskiest, with the new playoff rules in effect.
March 2nd, 20125:21 pm
MFin04, not really. Maybe Reyes and Beltran add a handful of wins more. That’s just not worth it for those contracts, long term, for a team like the Braves with their budget. There is a difference between trying to win and being so foolish that you have no chance to win in 2-3 years because you are hamstrung by huge contracts to players past their primes.
March 2nd, 20125:24 pm
“The No. 1 and No. 2 seeds in each league have to play Games 1 and 2 away from home.”
Wow, also stupid idea as well. So the worse seed gets the first two games at home, and the better seed gets the last 3 at home. All because they schedule is messed up. Nice.
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