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PMC
February 17th, 2012
3:49 pm
Honeybee, even with offnesive woes last year, as bad as it can be really they still almost won 90 games, There’s no way they are going to win less than 81 when they actually employ a centerfielder that can actually play on opening day for the first time in years.
TennesseePaul
February 17th, 2012
3:49 pm
Hanson did not have rotator cuff surgery and has changed his workout regimen and delivery to remove the cause for his pain . Jurrjens foot issues leading to the knee issues have been resolved.
Truth. However, “knee issues have been resolved” I’d amend to “addressed.” Only a full, healthy season from him will verify that the knee issues have been resolved.
Likewise, Hanson’s new delivery and rest have to be tested to verify they are an improvement.
But going into camp, this news is good and certainly better than the alternative… aka The Wren Roster Approach: No actions were taken and all hope is based upon a flip of the calendar.
nolie
February 17th, 2012
3:50 pm
I don’t think they are good enuff to need a 6 million dollar pitcher even if he wasn’t something of a question mark.
nolie
February 17th, 2012
3:52 pm
Wren approach is just fine, better than knee-jerk trades just to trade
PMC
February 17th, 2012
3:52 pm
As far as the other teams gettting better. The Nats have a bunch of pitchers that throw fastballs and that’s about it. Good luck with that over 162.
The Marlins are going to be one of the most facinating slow burning fuse to mid year explosion teams you’ve ever seen. All those personalities, all that pressure, the worst uniforms and worst centerfield display of all time. It’s going to be a trainwreck of Jersey Shore proportions.
VaBravesFan
February 17th, 2012
3:52 pm
This is the year for Hanson to step up and be our Ace. Hopefully the whole shoulder concerns are solved… I’m projecting Hanson to pitch 220 Innings and go 18 and 10 with a 2.80 ERA
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
3:53 pm
nolie – I agree about the Pirates. They’re no Kansas City.
ncscoots
February 17th, 2012
3:53 pm
Assuming that the Braves won’t score as many runs while the other teams will score more is just that- an assumption.
Braves suck and anybody else in a uni is better. Standard blog fare, setting the low bar of expectation reduces the possibility of disappointment.
Move along, folks, nothing to see here. Business as usual. As surely as you can smell the grass of spring, you can smell the horse**** some folks will throw on it.
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
3:54 pm
nolie – knee-jerk trades is the only valid solution. Don’t you read the blog?
TennesseePaul
February 17th, 2012
3:56 pm
So, in one off-season Burnett was courted by the Atlanta Braves. He opted to sign with the AL East Yankees for a large stash of cash. The NL East Braves turned to Lowe for a chunk of change.
In the same off-season several years later both pitchers are salary dumped to struggling teams in the Central Division of opposing leagues.
I don’t think that level of symmetry happens often.
honeybee
February 17th, 2012
3:57 pm
Well , I guess i can laugh at all you guys while you are crying in your beer at the end of the year. I agree with you that this is a good team, but they all need to quit running their mouths and prove it. Quit relying on pitching. Personnally this girl is excited about, but not optimistic.
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
3:58 pm
scoots – Yeah, it’s the old “Braves players will be worse than expected, and every other team will be loaded with overachievers who will all stay healthy” theory. Makes perfect sense…NOT.
JRW
February 17th, 2012
3:58 pm
VaBravesFan – This is the year for Hanson to step up and be our Ace. Hopefully the whole shoulder concerns are solved… I’m projecting Hanson to pitch 220 Innings and go 18 and 10 with a 2.80 ERA
———————————————————————————–
Pretty bold prediction for a pitcher that is changing his mechanics and coming off of surgery.
ncscoots
February 17th, 2012
3:59 pm
I don’t think that level of symmetry happens often
I’d throw in a “nearly” or a “pretty close” in there somewhere, but, damn, you’ve already moved on to hammering “resolved” with “addressed”.
cabravesfan
February 17th, 2012
4:00 pm
who has been running their mouths? and not sure how they can prove it until the season starts…
Murph
February 17th, 2012
4:00 pm
Much as “Linsanity” has gripped the NBA, “Freemania” will take over MLB this year. I really do believe that Freeman is going to have a tremendous season… he’s been in the league, he’s shown he can make adjustments, and he seems to have a really good head on his shoulders.
Women all over America will swoon as Freeman steps up to the plate and strikes his “Blue Steel” pose, unibrow tilted ever so slightly.
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
4:00 pm
honeybee – You’ll laugh at us? You would be happier to be “right” than for the Braves to excel? OK.
TennesseePaul
February 17th, 2012
4:01 pm
I’d throw in a “nearly” or a “pretty close” in there somewhere, but, damn, you’ve already moved on to hammering “resolved” with “addressed”.
Ha! It was a natural and inevitable progression from describing There Will Be Blood as “epic”
Hillbilly
February 17th, 2012
4:01 pm
In the same off-season several years later both pitchers are salary dumped to struggling teams in the Central Division of opposing leagues.
I don’t think that level of symmetry happens often.
Throw in Jake Peavy and you’ve got the Braves entire wish list for that off-season now pitching in Central Division wastelands.
ncscoots
February 17th, 2012
4:02 pm
Lin-sane, baby!
ColoradoBravesFan
February 17th, 2012
4:04 pm
I think the innings workload on the bullpen will be reduced by a combination of 3 things starters pitching more innings, offense scoring more and a couple of better arms in the pen.
Hanson, JJ, Beachy, Minor should all pitch more innings and deeper into games than last season. Uggla, Heyward and Prado should all improve at the plate. Hopefully this will decrease the number of close games where Fredi needs to use the main three bullpen guys. And with Medlen, Varvaro, Ascencio, Moylan, Martinez and maybe Vizcanio… the pen should be deep and solid so Fredi will use others besides O’Ventbrel in stressful innings.
The bullpen was historically good last season… so I don’t think we can hope for a repeat on the stats, but hopefully the wins come even with reduced numbers….
TennesseePaul
February 17th, 2012
4:04 pm
Wren approach is just fine, better than knee-jerk trades just to trade
nolie, you do realize I was speaking of and addressing Jair’s and Hanson’s injuries?
{Insert Jair knee-jerk reference joke here}
ncscoots
February 17th, 2012
4:08 pm
the pen should be deep and solid so Fredi will use others besides O’Ventbrel in stressful innings.
I don’t think I’d hang my hat on that one. And, frankly, I’m not all that sure that I want Fredo to use the other guys in high-leverage situations. I mean, it’s not a dishwasher, you don’t have to evenly space the load.
My hope, shared by many (I think), is that there are fewer high-leverage innings late, but, what of them there are, I want those two back-end beasts throwing ‘em.
CB
February 17th, 2012
4:09 pm
I didn’t want a knee-jerk trade but sure would have been nice for a free agency signing of Beltran. Oh well.
nolie
February 17th, 2012
4:13 pm
aka The Wren Roster Approach: No actions were taken and all hope is based upon a flip of the calendar…10P
I was addressing that , or disrobing it or somethang anyway
Soph
February 17th, 2012
4:13 pm
Has anyone heard from Bat? It’s been a while, no?
honeybee
February 17th, 2012
4:15 pm
Whatever you say Raleigh, You have your opinion but frankly i have my right to disagree.Its been fun guys but have to go to work fo now See you tommorrow.
nolie
February 17th, 2012
4:15 pm
Bat was kidnapped by and made a sex slave of a coven of midwestern retired school teachers one day on the beach and is still in captivity trying to earn has release.
DAP
February 17th, 2012
4:16 pm
10paul why the reds? they really took a step back last season offensively
So did the Braves. Seems to me, if it is reasonable for the Braves to take a step forward offensively this year with essentially the same exact line up, then it is just as reasonable to suspect the Reds offense could bounce back.
except in 2010 when the reds led the eague in scoring, they had some players haveing career years to get it done. last year was regression to the norm.
i was only questioning them being among the best teams in the NL, with offense only being part of it. the braves and their offense have nothing to do with that, so im not sure why you are comparing reds and braves offenses.
on the braves rotation, every braves pitcher except hudson is healthy, and thats only temporary. im not worried about the health of our pitchers any more then a i ever would be about any pitcher.
Soph
February 17th, 2012
4:16 pm
I saw a Fish post earlier. Looking forward to the ownage posts again.
nolie
February 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
The Florida beaches can be dangerous places for us good looking studs……
Soph
February 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
Hmm, he must be busy then. I probably shouldn’t bother him.
Frenk Wran
February 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
I really prefer to do knee jerk trades but JS won’t let me anymore.
Soph
February 17th, 2012
4:19 pm
It’s been a really long time since I’ve seen Snot around here. Hope he’s okay.
DAP
February 17th, 2012
4:19 pm
JRW Pretty bold prediction for a pitcher that is changing his mechanics and coming off of surgery.
easy now. hanson didnt have surgery.
SA
February 17th, 2012
4:20 pm
@Mitchell
Because it took greatness to beat us.
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
4:20 pm
honeybee – Never said you didn’t have the right to your opinion. I just thought it a little strange about you “laughing” at us if the Braves stink like you seem to think they will. I would never laugh about the Braves doing poorly, even if I predicted it. As I said, sounds like it’s more important to you that you are right, not that the Braves are good.
McFann O O o
February 17th, 2012
4:22 pm
Ah, good ol’ Snotboogie…almost seem to remember someone saying he changed his moniker, but I’m exactly sure…
DAP
February 17th, 2012
4:23 pm
every braves pitcher except hudson is healthy, and thats only temporary.
heh, that came out wrong.
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
4:23 pm
nolie – I heard Bat wasn’t really trying too hard to escape…just a rumor, mind you.
ncscoots
February 17th, 2012
4:23 pm
Pretty bold prediction
Fortune favors the bold.
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
4:25 pm
McFann – I spotted our friend Snot on one of the other blogs this week. Don’t know if he is no longer appearing here, or just gone incognito. No one sounds like him, but I figure that was just an act anyway.
bravesgrl4life
February 17th, 2012
4:27 pm
Smell the fresh grass? Must mean Spring Training is almost here, and if that’s the case, Baseball Season is right around the corner!
Got my Spring Training tickets for the weekend of March 31st (last weekend of ST, BTW). 2 tickets to each of the 3 games. My wonderful hubby got them for me for Christmas! Along with a new Iphone 4s
And, today, I booked my trip to see our Braves in Chicago on May 9. My sis-in-law is part of a group that buys Cubs season tickets and that was one of the tickets in her part of the package. She was nice enough to invite me up to go to a wonderful afternoon at Wrigley. And you know I’ll have on my #16 Braves jersey, my cap, and will be chopping my tomahawk!
I am psyched for this season and all you haters (you know who you are), can take it someplace else. Not gonna get me down.
Hey there, cabravesfan, RHR, Venice Jim and the rest of the blog regulars!
bravesgrl4life
February 17th, 2012
4:29 pm
Sorry, I left McFann off that list. Didn’t realize she was here until I read back up the page. Hey, little baseball sister!
cabravesfan
February 17th, 2012
4:29 pm
hey bravegrl4life! long time no see
cabravesfan
February 17th, 2012
4:30 pm
McFann-
Wake those lazy turtles up! It’s SPRING!!!
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
4:31 pm
Wow. The “girlpower” is strong today. You go, ladies. Glad to have you here. Speaking of which, whre is Fish?
Soph
February 17th, 2012
4:33 pm
Fish did a post and run earlier today. I think she’s still pretty heartbroken about D-Lowe’s departure.
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
4:34 pm
Gotta go. Have a great weekend, everyone.
raleighbravefan
February 17th, 2012
4:34 pm
Thanks for the update, Soph.
bravesgrl4life
February 17th, 2012
4:39 pm
At least on here, huh, cabravesfan?
MFin04
February 17th, 2012
4:42 pm
Tough off-season.
We’ve lost a lot of players that greatly contributed to in-game blogging last year:
Sherrill
Linebrink
Proctor
A-Gon
D-Lowe
McLouth
Schafer
Whatever are we going to complain about now?
Hillbilly
February 17th, 2012
4:43 pm
Has anyone heard from Bat? It’s been a while, no?
He posted on Schultz’s blog yesterday. I’m wondering about Snotboogie though. We can’t afford to lose much more intelligence around here.
cabravesfan
February 17th, 2012
4:43 pm
bravesgrl4life-
Yup
I actually nearly forgot what your blog name was- nearly called you by your real name the other night…
ncscoots
February 17th, 2012
4:43 pm
Whatever are we going to complain about now?
Give it an inning, you’ll think of something.
TennesseePaul
February 17th, 2012
4:46 pm
im not sure why you are comparing reds and braves offenses.
Precisely because the other extreme of this blog is that all the breaks will go the Braves way and zero will go the opponents way. It is always somewhere in the middle.
So why did I mention the Braves? As I stated in that initial post: if it is reasonable for the Braves to take a step forward offensively this year with essentially the same exact line up, then it is just as reasonable to suspect the Reds offense could bounce back.
DAP
February 17th, 2012
4:58 pm
10paul if it is reasonable for the Braves to take a step forward offensively this year with essentially the same exact line up, then it is just as reasonable to suspect the Reds offense could bounce back.
hm, ok. well i think the 2011 reds WAS their offense “bouncing back”. they regressed to the norm after some players had career years in 2010. if the braves regress to the norm, they will be better. im saying last year was more normal for the reds. we will see though.
MFin04
February 17th, 2012
5:04 pm
“Give it an inning, you’ll think of something.”
Lol. I dunno, after this whole off-season, only really disappointed about not getting Beltran, that’s about it. Didn’t want to get rid of Jurrjens or Prado, and there weren’t really any other Short Stops or Outfielders to be had.
If the team rebounds and can consistently score runs they could win the division. If everyone plays up to last year’s standards this team could be battling for 3rd or 4th in the division.
McFann O O o
February 17th, 2012
5:33 pm
raleighbravesfan—
Oh, really? Huh…maybe he just couldn’t take us anymore…
bravesgrl4life—
That’s OK!
HI!! Good to see you again!! How’s things? Just two more days!!… 
cabravesfan—
They’ll be out in full force on Sunday—don’t worry!…
The weather today was awesome, though. Got to ride bikes!! ♥ , Spring…
Lew
February 17th, 2012
5:45 pm
Ten Paul – I’ll go along with that. What I’m really saying is that it’s one thing having problems and another when you have problems that seem to have been addressed.
Same with bullpen overuse – they have a much deeper pen this year. The problem should be addressed.
VaBravesFan
February 17th, 2012
5:48 pm
We have the best overall pitching depth in the majors, rotation and pen.
McFann O O o
February 17th, 2012
5:55 pm
Shucks…looks like I missed bravesgrl4life again…
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:00 pm
JRW
VaBravesFan – [This is the year for Hanson to step up and be our Ace. Hopefully the whole shoulder concerns are solved… I’m projecting Hanson to pitch 220 Innings and go 18 and 10 with a 2.80 ERA]———————————————————————————–
“Pretty bold prediction for a pitcher that is changing his mechanics and coming off of surgery.”
Co-Sign…Not To Mention That Big Red has gotten Sh=tty Run run Support his whole career…18 wins is a stretch!
VaBravesFan
February 17th, 2012
6:05 pm
Tomahawkin
Hanson has Ace stuff. The guy has the best upside of our 5 starters. All comes down to health. He owns a 32-22 career record with a 3.28 ERA in 460 Innings with 431 K’s.
VaBravesFan
February 17th, 2012
6:07 pm
I won’t argue about the Wins and such, that depends on our offense and such. But Big Red has the stuff and potential to be a true Ace.
VaBravesFan
February 17th, 2012
6:09 pm
If Brandon Beachy could develop a better breaking ball to go along with his elite fastball and solid change he could be much much better than all the guru’s think. Beachy has one of the best 4 seam fastballs in all of baseball.
VaBravesFan
February 17th, 2012
6:11 pm
I already picked Beachy to have the most strikeouts among our starters.
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:12 pm
Take It To Vegas People That The Braves will Have a Winning April since we have a Cake Schedule the 1st month…
How we fare in April will determine a lot on weather we contend for the division title or the Crappy Wild-Card…Because Our Schedule From May-The All Star Break is Brutal!!!
N8
February 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
I sure hope AJ Burnett’s wife likes Pittsburgh.
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
@VaBravesFan…
BB’s Stuff is already there…He has the composure of a Young Kevin Millwood…
BB only won 7 out of 25 decisions last year due to Crap Run Support as well…And BB had a slight problem with giving up the Big Inning in a lot of his starts which resulted in a lot of No Decisions, that is another ripple effect of when the team behind you doesn’t give you a few runs to play with early in games….
McFann O O o
February 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
I feel like there should be a game on tonight…wish there was…
David O'Brien
February 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
April 3 Braves vs. Braves prospects game will be shown on MLB.tv
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
In other words…If Double J, BB, or Big Red, Had That Nasty 2003 Squad hitting behind them, They would win 20 respectively…
Didn’t we have the likes of Shane Reynolds, Russ Ortiz, etc pitching on the 2003 squad who had 1/2 the stuff that BB, Big Red, and Double J have….?
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:22 pm
Was It Coach? Talking abt C-Mart might be out of options…?
Seriously I hope we don’t trade C-Mart for Slop or release him…The dude is Underrated…But sometimes I guess thats the way it is…
And on a Side-tip…If Huddy Misses The First 3 weeks-month, I want Little Big Man MED’s Starting…
That dude has heart and the braves were 12-3 in his starts in 2010, he was an unsung hero…
Bill
February 17th, 2012
6:35 pm
Carroll’s story on Greg Walker was right on! Greg is a super person that I’ve know for last 25 years. Looking forward to see him in dugout working with players. Go Braves.
Thanks carroll!
Bill
February 17th, 2012
6:43 pm
should proof read..”known” and capital C for Carroll..sorry
richbrave
February 17th, 2012
6:45 pm
To revive the convo from the a.m. about FISH, MOYLAN, ASENCIO and MARTINEZ being the last man standing in the bull-pen to start the season.
As I pointed out before on the blog, the BRAVES continue a search stretching back to last season with SHERRILL and FLANDE for a third lefty reliefer. Only FISH among the above referenced reliefers is a lefty, and right now, I think that’s a spot he has with a decent spring.
ASENCIO had a light’s out off-season right into late January with the exception of three or four outings when I think he tired a bit from not having much of an off-season. I believe he’s ready to contribute in ATLANTA.
C-MART has certainly proven his abilities in ATLANTA, but at this point I can’t say I prefer him to JAIRO. They’re pretty even in my estimation going into ST.
MOYLAN will have to recover in AAA I’m afraid, and be ready for ATLANTA injury relief in 2012 only.
ZWacky
February 17th, 2012
6:45 pm
might be wrong but I don’t think he said C-Mart was said out of options, I think he said on the cusp of not making the team
richbrave
February 17th, 2012
6:46 pm
Oops, feed-bag time. later.
ZWacky
February 17th, 2012
6:48 pm
Yes I agree that it is probable that Moylan will be in AAA to start the season, and I’m pretty sure that Delgado and/or Teheran will not be in the pen no matter what Fredi said a while ago that got some here angry
Fred
February 17th, 2012
6:49 pm
DOB, When are you headed down to LBV?
Murph
February 17th, 2012
6:50 pm
April 3 Braves vs. Braves prospects game will be shown on MLB.tv
Given that fact that Fredi has expressed an interest in having every single prospect in the system in the Braves bullpen I’m not guessing this will be a very good game.
The Braves vs Gilmartin and The Terd. Actually, might be a better game than I thought.
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:52 pm
I prolly think that D.O.B. will list the borderline options once he heads down to DarkStar…
That stuff/mgmt decisions gets confusing during the later end of S. Training which I still thin k is 10 days too long…
ZWacky
February 17th, 2012
6:54 pm
yes, too long
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:56 pm
Other Than seeing who makes the Final Spot in the rotation…The biggest S. Training battle will be who gets sent down or cut (Out of otions release or trade) from the bullpen…And That won’t be decided til late March…
And Watching The Pastor During the games for those who are lucky enough to be in front of a TV during the working hours will be someting to watch as well, especially how he fares in the field…
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:57 pm
Damn, Already a Typo, And I’m just about to start getting Tuned Up…
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
7:02 pm
Cool!
American History X Comes on At 730 or so…
I haven’t seen that movie in a Gripp! Now That’s a Good Ass Movie….!
jonathan Simeone
February 17th, 2012
7:10 pm
Using Vizcaino in relief is really stupid. A young pitcher with that kind of ability should be given every opportunity to start; it’s way better to have a really good pitcher going 200 innings a year instead of working 70.
ZWacky
February 17th, 2012
7:14 pm
not a waste when there are so many listed ahead of him, if he is ready to help at the major league level, not taking advantage of that would be foolish. as others have said, they can always make him a starter after Jurrjens and perhaps Hudson leave
ZWacky
February 17th, 2012
7:16 pm
a black guy praising a skinhead movie?
jeffrey d
February 17th, 2012
7:17 pm
A young pitcher with that kind of ability should be given every opportunity to start; it’s way better to have a really good pitcher going 200 innings a year instead of working 70.
And with Hanson, Hudson, Jurrjens, Minor, Beachy, Teheran, and Delgado also being starters, where does Vizcaino fit?
CB
February 17th, 2012
7:17 pm
Zwacky,Martinez and Ascensio are out of options.
jeffrey d
February 17th, 2012
7:19 pm
Nothing wrong with easing a 21-year old rookie into the majors as a reliever
ZWacky
February 17th, 2012
7:20 pm
I guess I misunderstood what coach said then, thank you CB
richbrave
February 17th, 2012
7:33 pm
Man the arms are really piling up for the BRAVES. Getting really crowded in the pen as well as with the starters.
Does anyone see CHRIS JONES making the PEARL RIVER roster because he’s a lefty? His record has been pretty spotty with the INDIANS being advanced then struggling at both the A and A+ levels. Originally a starter in ‘07, he slowly was shifted to relief by 2009, and has been exclusively used at KINSTON in that role for the past two seasons. He projects to the HILLCATS pen at this point.
ZWacky
February 17th, 2012
7:34 pm
Martinez had a pretty good season last year, does the fact that he is out of options make him a favorite to earn a spot?
richbrave
February 17th, 2012
7:39 pm
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
@VaBravesFan…
BB’s Stuff is already there…He has the composure of a Young Kevin Millwood…
BB only won 7 out of 25 decisions last year due to Crap Run Support as well…And BB had a slight problem with giving up the Big Inning in a lot of his starts which resulted in a lot of No Decisions, that is another ripple effect of when the team behind you doesn’t give you a few runs to play with early in games….
BEACHY needs to cut down on his pitch to out ratio. He wears himself down by not getting guys out early into counts. Maybe a bit more pitch to contact rather than balls and strikes.
richbrave
February 17th, 2012
7:42 pm
ZWacky
February 17th, 2012
7:34 pm
Martinez had a pretty good season last year, does the fact that he is out of options make him a favorite to earn a spot?
Depends on ST and FISH IMHO.
ray k.
February 17th, 2012
7:44 pm
Lew,
I misspoke. Tommy tore his rotator cuff and did not need surgery. But I would think it’s quite obvious that as far as our vets are concerned, there is at least some concern with each–plus Hudson is getting up there.
I hope JJ and Big Red stay healthy, but I wouldn’t bet a lot of $ on it.
Would you?
It’s just too bad we don’t have that one in his prime ace to anchor the rest of the group. Hanson could be that if he slightly turned the corner. Maybe this year.
Tomahawkin
February 17th, 2012
7:45 pm
@richbrave
“BEACHY needs to cut down on his pitch to out ratio. He wears himself down by not getting guys out early into counts. Maybe a bit more pitch to contact rather than balls and strikes.”
Co-Sign and Good Point, Big Red Had that Same Problem as well. The dude was infactuated with the strikeout which leads to both of them having 100 pitches by the middle of the 5th inning…