10:07 pm February 16, 2012, by David O'Brien
February 19th, 201212:20 pm
I think many are not jumping on the ESPN minor league pipeline assessment (for the Braves) b.c they have already been waiting a long, long time for this team to produce. Saying the future looks bright is nice but we have been hearing that from ATL since the ride of the 90s stopped in its tracks.
That plus you know most prospects don’t pan out and where the Braves have depth is in minor league arms. I don’t see anything offensively specially down to low A ball at the moment. A handful of position players who could pan out and none look to be big time swatters.
If they go with another low ceiling draft model (of college guys and more pitchers to boot) that challenge will continue to be the case.
February 19th, 201212:21 pm
Also, it would be great if Huddy could go 3-4 years. He’s had a great career so far. However, if he could go four more years, he could rack up the stats that might make him HOF-worthy. (Actually, it would take 4 really stout years to get into the HOF conversation for Huddy, more like six years of his average performance.)
special not specially….
February 19th, 201212:22 pm
February 19th, 201212:23 pm
Nolie – I’d rather just had a healthy Huddy from the gitgo myself
I agree, but that didn’t look like an option, so you’ve got to look for silver linings where you can find them.
I agree nolie, I would much rather have Hudson being the anchor on our starting staff to begin the season. Especially until we see how Hanson, JJ and Medlen perform in the real games.
But, there is the benefit that with Hudson out we get a preview of one of Teheran/Delgado in the starting rotation.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô; ;ô;
February 19th, 201212:28 pm
There’s a reason for the sunshinin’ sky
And there’s a reason why I’m feelin so high
Must be the season when that love light shines
All around us.
So let that feelin grab you deep inside
And send you reelin where your love can’t hide
And then go stealin’ through the moonlit nights
With your lover.
Just let your love flow like a mountain stream
And let your love grow with the smallest of dreams
And let your love show and you’ll know what I mean
It’s the season.
Letyour love fly like a bird on wing
And let your love bind you to all livin things
And let your love shine and you’ll know what I mean
That’s the reason.
There’s a reason for the warm sweet nights
And there’s a reason for the candlelights
Must be the season when those love lights shine
All around us.
So let that wonder take into space
And lay you under its loving embrace
Just feel the thunder as it warms your face
You can’t hold back.
Let your love fly like a bird on wing
And let your love bind you to all livin things
And let your love shine and you’ll know what I mean
That’s the reason…
Whoo-hoo!! Thanks for the photos, Chief!
February 19th, 201212:36 pm
The fact that T Hud has no back pain and he is able to do things now pain free is a pretty good sign. We have already seen how motivated and effective he is when coming back from an injury. Would not surprise me he has an above Huddy average season after everything is said and done.
February 19th, 201212:37 pm
The Turtles are awake! It must be SPRING!!!
February 19th, 201212:40 pm
Cold and rainy though it is…
I’m not excited about it because a large part of a 5 year plan is the draft and I hate the change in their draft approach and the fact that they have been the second cheapest team on the draft the last two years. They keep that up and the system will soon be bankrupt which won’t really hurt the sale possibilities all that much probably but will make it harder and harder to compete
February 19th, 201212:42 pm
Come draft time, personally I would like for the Braves to go with the best available, if that means drafting a pitcher in the first round then absolutely. Some mock drafts have the Braves selecting hs pitcher Duane Underwood right here in their back yard in Cobb County.
February 19th, 201212:44 pm
It will be interesting how the new draft rules with slotting will effect the high spending teams. It may be a level playing field for teams like the Braves.
February 19th, 201212:45 pm
“I’m not excited about it because a large part of a 5 year plan is the draft and I hate the change in their draft approach and the fact that they have been the second cheapest team on the draft the last two years. They keep that up and the system will soon be bankrupt which won’t really hurt the sale possibilities all that much probably but will make it harder and harder to compete”
The new CBA will force other teams to be as fiscally conservative in the drafts as the Braves have been. There will be penalties for paying over slot.
Brave New World
February 19th, 201212:46 pm
It feels good to be only weeks away from spring training and then, the start of the 2012 season. GO BRAVES!
Steve from OH
February 19th, 201212:51 pm
DOB–definitely a lot more serious that what the club had been saying. But I expect that he’ll do pretty well once his abdominal incision starts to feel better.
February 19th, 201212:52 pm
Sorry gang, heading to hte emergency room. My 1-year old grandson took his first header down the stairs. Bwack later to deal with the mules on here. we were race-horses for over five months, mules less than one. I’ll debate the merits withvyou some other time.
Think oysters. I like mine on the half-shell with no sauce of any kind. Just down the hatch and drink all the likker.
Chipper and son Shea head to clubhouse:
February 19th, 201212:53 pm
If he’s been that good in constant pain, I wonder what he’ll do when he feels good?
February 19th, 201212:56 pm
could be, I’ll believe it when I see it
February 19th, 201212:57 pm
Thanks For The 411 D.O.B.
That back issue is a serious issue with Huddy, Obviously he had that issue for years…Was he just too stubborn (Like most top flight athletes are) to tell management about it years ago since few people knew he had back issues…?
February 19th, 20121:03 pm
Thanks For The Pics D.O.B
J-Hey Rocking A Mini-Afro At Camp…?
Nice, I haven’t seen one of those since Brian Jordan had a Mini-Afro in The Spring of 2001…
February 19th, 20121:06 pm
“I think many are not jumping on the ESPN minor league pipeline ”
I don’t ever Jump onto what BSPN Says!
They Said the Braves were gonna Face the Red Sox in The World Series Prior to Opening day 2007
Those Same Turds Also said That The Overrated Cameron Maybin would Win The Rookie of the year with the Marlins a few years back…
BSPN is Full of it…
February 19th, 20121:09 pm
So Until Huddy Returns May 10 or so…I’m Banking on Little Big Man MED’s, M&M (Mike Minor) R-Dell (Delgado), and JT (Teheran) to all get starts in Huddys place as spot starters…?
Our Rotation in the Truth! I haven’t seen a Braves Rotation this deep with young talented inexpensive starters, EVER!
February 19th, 20121:11 pm
Gawd, I lusting for Some Deep Fried Mississippi/Arkansas Catfish and Hushpuppies
Catfish from Jaw-Juh Stinks!
February 19th, 20121:20 pm
I hate that Chick-fil-A is closed on Sunday.
February 19th, 20121:27 pm
Shea Jones: 2026 NL Rookie of the Year
February 19th, 20121:34 pm
Happy P & C day!
Thanks for the pics & info, DOB.
February 19th, 20121:40 pm
February 19th, 20122:06 pm
McFann with The Bellamy Brothers…great song, thanks.
DOB: Thanks for the photos and updates this morning. Gets us ready for Baseball!
February 19th, 20122:08 pm
Linsanity vs. Dirk on ABC, great game, Knicks lead at halftime. Pre-game interview with Spike Lee is the first time I have ever seen him happy and smiling, he’s always sour and b!tchy. LOL.
February 19th, 20122:12 pm
You’re welcome! Heard that song on the way home form Church this morning, and I thought it would be perfect…
Tomahawkin They Said the Braves were gonna Face the Red Sox in The World Series Prior to Opening day 2007
……Did they specify what year that would be…?
February 19th, 20122:16 pm
Whoa, Huddy had an anterior fusion? That’s certainly a lot bigger than they were letting on…
— Steve from OH
Just transcribing my Hudson interview now. What he had was L5-S1 fusion surgery.
February 19th, 20122:28 pm
DOB thanks for the twitter pics to wet the apatite. Finally convinced the wife to take a vacation trip to ST to see a game Mar. 14th vs Nats. hope to see you there.
Nova Scotia Steve
February 19th, 20122:34 pm
I read this blog and wonder what the hell was Venters doing pitching in a 9-0 loss to the Mets on August 26.
Anyway, it’s a good read. Which I will now finish.
February 19th, 20122:48 pm
Chipper is one classy Guy
February 19th, 20122:51 pm
interested bystanderss: Chipper is one in a million, we will miss him greatly when he is gone.
February 19th, 20122:54 pm
Hudson/Jurrjens update story coming up in a little while.
February 19th, 20122:55 pm
NSS – I think that was a typo in the blog I believe it was a 6-0 loss.
JV also had 3 days rest b4 that game and the hurricane was about to wash out the next 2 games of the series so he was going to get another 2-3 days off as well.
February 19th, 20122:58 pm
S/O To NSS
Whats Happenin Chief!
February 19th, 20123:00 pm
In the case of ESPN looking at the overall Braves org (finances, GM, farm system) it was actually better than the ranking of the farm system alone.
So while ESPN clearly has eyes for big market teams & the flavor of the year under dog they did give ATL more love than the other NL East teams re: the 5yr outlook.
That said ATL needs to make offense a bit more of a priority in the draft b/c they are not going to have big time FA money to address all their offensive needs.
If things break right and Wren spends his money wisely (Dec 2012-Feb 2013) 2013 could be a turning point year for ATL.
I think this year will need lots of bounce backs and fewer injuries to surpass what they did in 2011 pre-collapse.
February 19th, 20123:08 pm
quick start to the am but falling off just as fast
February 19th, 20123:10 pm
or is there a new blog I haven’t seen?
February 19th, 20123:24 pm
Next off season will be huge. There is a lot of money coming off the books, will have a better idea in what we have in these young pitchers as well. We could be saying good bye to Chipper, and are the Braves gonna lock up McCann. Next off season will be the complete opposite of this years.
McCann’s 2013 12 million Option (Possible New Contract)
Chipper’s 2013 7 to 13 million Vesting Option (Possible Retirement)
Hudson’s 2013 9 million Option (Could buyout depending on progression of young pitchers)
Free Agents (Money off books)
Lowe 10 million
Bourn 6.8 million
Diaz 2 million
Hinske 1.5 million
Ross 1.6 million
Moylan 1 million
Wilson 1 million
McLouth 1.5 million (Buyout)
Prado, EOF, Heyward, Jurrjens, Hanson, Medlen, Venters, CMart
February 19th, 20123:25 pm
S/O to TexasBrave!
I haven’t seen you on here in a Gripp!
February 19th, 20123:26 pm
Regarding Braves offense and drafts …
Braves just matriculated Heyward and Freeman to the bigs. Prado came along not too far before them.
How many Chipper’s or Pujol’s does a farm system produce?
So for sure we’ll have around 25 million coming off the books. Possibly more with Chipper and Hudson. Also I wouldn’t rule out the Braves trying to trade Jurrjens. So regardless the Braves will have some money to spend.
February 19th, 20123:31 pm
VABravres…Mvcloud not longer a Braves in 2012
February 19th, 20123:32 pm
True, but his 1.5 million buyout is for this season’s payroll.
February 19th, 20123:33 pm
Here’s the complete breakdown
February 19th, 20123:35 pm
VaBravesFan…good…we will need a 3rd basement next yr…did you think the braves have to go a get David Wright?
February 19th, 20123:44 pm
Tomahawkin still around, just haven’t felt like commenting in a while. Still read a lot of the old guard’s comments i.e. yours, Lew, richbrave, nolie,TennPaul, Gil in Mech, N8, Braveheart, etc. When if this blog got to 1,000 posts it shut down and the RROE’s were still in effect.
Miss the witty banter before the kids jumped in. No offense McFann.
February 19th, 20123:46 pm
Well 1st off Chipper could come back. Even if his option doesn’t vest the Braves could decide to pay him 7 million (if he wants to keep playing) If his option does vest the Braves have no control on what will happen. Chipper can do what he wants. The more he plays he plays this season the more he’ll make next season.
But if Chipper hangs em up, Depending on how Prado’s 2012 season goes he would be our 3rd baseman. Prado will roughly have a estimated salary of 6.5 million in 2013. David Wright’s future depends on this season. If he’s traded during the season his 2013 option is voided and he’ll become a free agent.
Team Needs for next season will be Centerfield for sure. Everything else depends on what happens this season. I’m going with CF, LF, 3B as our needs.
February 19th, 20123:49 pm
TexasBrave…me to…I’m with you
February 19th, 20123:52 pm
VaBraves….LF…Victorino or Bourne?….I will like to get Wright…even Chipper is my favorite Braves.
February 19th, 20123:55 pm
David Wright has to put the injuries behind him and return to form. He’ll be 30 years old as a Free Agent. Or the Mets could keep him all year and exercise his 16 million 2013 option. He’ll be looking at a 5 year deal upwards around 75 million. Possibly more depending on 2012.
His 1st 6 years as a starter he owned a line of 306/387/515/902 averaging 40 doubles 26 HR and 106 RBI and 22 SB a season. Complete Player, a Monster.
But in 2011 he only played in 102 games battling injuries and slumping with a 254/345/427/771 batting line.
February 19th, 20123:56 pm
I will bet right now that they do not spend all that much money on a free agent next season no matter how much comes off the books.
February 19th, 20123:58 pm
Will be hard to the Braves to find a third Base next yrs…because the Phillis will also need a third base next yrs
February 19th, 20123:59 pm
all that was done under a completely different draft approach ABW then the one they have used the last three years or so
February 19th, 20124:01 pm
mutts are moving the fence in this year to help pad wrights stats, looks like they will try and trade him at the deadline. johan says he is pain free. chipper plays at least 135 this year if not more
February 19th, 20124:04 pm
not sure what to expect since Wren came out and said earlier that Chipper needs more time off, I wonder if he was not setting up an excuse ahead of time to keep Chipper from fulfilling the 123 game quota. Just a cynical old cuss, I know
February 19th, 20124:05 pm
Mike Cameron just retired, so we can mark off his name as our outfield savior.
The Braves don’t have any CF prospect slated to be ready by next season. Also I think Bourn is gonna aim high for the big bucks, other options include BJ Upton and Shane Victorino. They’ll also get paid well. After 2012 we’ll have a better idea of what we have with Delgado, Teheran, Beachy, Minor. We could be in position to make a trade to bring in a CFer or any other need.
We talk about all the pitching depth all time on here.
Hanson, Jurrjens, Beachy, Minor, Delgado, Teheran, Hudson (Option) could be in our rotation next year. A trade might have to made.
February 19th, 20124:08 pm
But don’t forget David Wright is a true half season rental if you trade for him. His option for 2013 is voided if he’s traded. That will effect everything. If David Wright returns to normal it might be better for the Mutts to keep him exercise his option and trade him during the offseason for alot more.
February 19th, 20124:11 pm
I think the Braves need to expend Big next yrs in 3rd Base & Center field. Let prado play LF…
February 19th, 20124:12 pm
i dont want wright anyway,
would have taken beltran as a free agent this year
but they can keep wright. you probably are right
cause they cant move the fence back out in the middle of the season
February 19th, 20124:13 pm
imo wrights peaked and its all downhill from here
S/O’s to JerseyGil, and Juan
What Up Foos?
Are You Ready To Rock!
February 19th, 20124:18 pm
I don’t Want Wright! I want either Zimmerman or McCutchen
And I Like This Cat named Joey Terdoslavich who is in our Farm System…Read about him in My Athlon Sports Baseball Magazine while on the Toilet.
The Dude hit a record 52 Doubles in The Carolina league, and He Clowned in The Arizona Fall League…
He is supposed to be Chippers Heir Apparent…? Time Will tell
February 19th, 20124:19 pm
ncgary – Wright’s peaked and you wouldn’t sign him to a mulit year deal but you would Beltran? Seriously?
We know for sure Centerfield will be a need. I think Prado is Chipper’s replacement if he decides to hang em up. There is more options out there for corner outfielder over 3rd base.
February 19th, 20124:21 pm
Jersey Gil – You back from Down Home yet?
February 19th, 20124:22 pm
TexasBrave Miss the witty banter before the kids jumped in. No offense McFann.
February 19th, 20124:23 pm
“Mike Cameron just retired, so we can mark off his name as our outfield savior.”
Good! Can we Add Stankiel , Colby Rasmus, CoCo Crisp and JD Screw off that list as well?
February 19th, 20124:25 pm
I’m not saying we should go after Wright just giving the info on him. Wright has been a much much better player than Zimmerman. I’m a huge fan of both tho, there from my area.
Since 2006 Wright has averaged 146 gms 299/382/503 24 HR 96 RBI 21 SB a season
Since 2006 Zimmerman has averaged 138 gms 287/353/478 21 HR 82 RBI 4 SB a season
Andrew McCutchen I believe is a player you trade a Tex like package to get.
February 19th, 20124:29 pm
I know A Lot of People on here Have ( Not My Narrow Carcas) been Lusting for Josh Willingham for years…Why? He got a 3 year 21 mill deal from the Twins in which according to my Athlon Sports Magazine is “Dollar Foolish”
I read in that magazine that Willingham has never played more than 388 games in a 3 year period and struck out 150 times last year inOakland…His .250 batting average hurts as well OUCH!
Same For Co-Co Crisp…We All know he has speed, but he remains a below average offensive threat with an OPS below the average mean
February 19th, 20124:31 pm
Yeah Lew…prepare to go down to Woodstock, Ga…My Dauthter having my second Grandchild in March, then i plan to go to the last game ST @ the Ted to see Bobby manager the Future Kids.
February 19th, 20124:33 pm
I don’t see the Braves signing a FA with a 16m a yr price tag. I do see potentially a mid range free agent. More than likely a trade for a player that may have 2-3 yrs remaining on a contract.
February 19th, 20124:34 pm
Co-Sign, Thats Why I wanted Us to Trade for McCutchen 2 years ago when he could’ve been had for a Cheap/Marginal Trade-off, and D.O.B. and others on here got in my Ass for that proposal as if I was Smoking Something, lol, its all good though…
McCutchen Unlike McLouth is the Truth…McLouth just got the hype becausehe padded his stats on a Garbage team/Division…And to th day I still don’t know how McLouth won Gold Glove Awards in Pittsburgh? Maybe the people who gaves those awards out were on something?
Gil In Mechanicsville
February 19th, 20124:35 pm
VaBravesFan Please, let’s get through this season before we worry about next year. I am not quite ready to concede the point of becoming the Oakland As just yet.
If Pastornicky works out, the Braves can move him over to third when Simmons gets to the bigs. If not, well, there is always someone looking for a job. Just make sure they can drive in more than the let in.
Josh Willingham has a 836. career OPS, he just mashed 15 of his 29 homers in the A’s pitchers dream park. 7 million a season is a pretty good deal for the Twins.
February 19th, 20124:36 pm
Jesus… the old Folks from the Blog are Back
February 19th, 20124:39 pm
But Just Consider this, and I’m doing the same…If we were to get either Wright and Zimmerman 2-3 years from now…They will be older and their Contracts might become an D-Lowe/Burnettesque Albatross for the team…
Sorry, Im just always thinking about the future and stuff lol
February 19th, 20124:40 pm
Tomahawkin Pittsburg knew exactly what they had in McCutchen when they traded McLouth to the Braves, I don’t think anyone knew McLouth would tank in Atlanta like he did. At least not to the degree he did.
I saw flashes of what McLouth could do but alas, those moments were all too brief and far between. I guess he just did not like hot humid weather.
February 19th, 20124:41 pm
the old Folks from the Blog are Back
It’s a President’s Day miracle!
February 19th, 20124:43 pm
no lew but i would have offered wright a 1 year 14 mill contract this year be4 he signed a 2 year 25 million 1
February 19th, 20124:44 pm
Thats the case with all great players. Your paying them for what they did in the past. Think about it… People get mad that Chipper is making like 14 million and isn’t producing what that number should. Just wait til about 2017 the Angels are completely screwed, Pujols will be 37 years old with 5 years left on his contract for a total of wait for it……………………115 million. There paying him 30 million in 2021 at 41 years old, because he might get them a few world series titles within 2012-2016
February 19th, 20124:46 pm
The cold hard truth is unless A. Some rich dude buys the team and is willing to throw money away or B. Liberty Media gives the Braves a raise, then we Braves fan better hope the kids the Braves have coming along in the minors develop into bonofide major league talent because Philly is not going away and the Nats are coming.
ooops beltran not wright
February 19th, 20124:47 pm
Or we could win a world series and that would make a huge difference in terms of payroll.
February 19th, 20124:49 pm
coSign – Gil In Mechanicsville 4:35
February 19th, 20124:50 pm
whats wright gonna want for his next contract? 6 years at 20 to 23 million
VBF… Yeah, Chipper would retire and McCann would sign somewhere else for 20 million a year.
2013 Free Agent Third base & Center Field
Brandon Inge *
Chipper Jones *
Placido Polanco *
Mark Reynolds *
Ty Wigginton *
David Wright *
Kevin Youkilis *
Curtis Granderson *
February 19th, 20124:54 pm
Ha Ha Ha …. Check out this tweet and reply from DOB….
ajcbraves No. RT @jeremyDcannon: @ajcbraves Can you ask @PeterMoylan for me if he got my tweet about @nickelback the other night?!?
DOB I bet these never get old do they…
Oh well, the goal is to win the world series. Chipper could go out on top that would be awesome. McCann is a Brave in 2013 for sure atleast.
February 19th, 20124:55 pm
“Thats the case with all great players. Your paying them for what they did in the past. Think about it…”
Co-Sign! You Make A Good Point on That…
Leo Mazzone on Sports Radio 680AMTHEFan out here always mentions that, especially since he knew what Maddog, The Glavinator and A. Jones went through when they got their deals…
February 19th, 20124:58 pm
I would not and I am glad the Braves did not sign Beltran for the amount he signed for.. especially for a guy that has had more trouble to be on the field than chipper.
2012 Prediction…..Braves/ Rays in WS….GO BRAVES
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