Pitchers and catchers report soon, Hanson without hitch

In the last week of spring training in one of my first years as a baseball beat writer, a manager said something about his team that wasn’t for publication. Now that it’s been 15 years or so, I don’t think he’ll mind if I share.

“This may be the worst pitching staff ever assembled,” he said, and we laughed. “I’m serious. We are going to get slaughtered.”

And they did.

The palm trees and gentle breezes of spring training await next weekend when Braves pitchers and catchers report to Lake Buena Vista, Fla. (Jason Getz/AJC photo)

The palm trees and gentle breezes of spring training await next weekend when Braves pitchers and catchers report to Lake Buena Vista, Fla. (Jason Getz/AJC photo)

But that was an exception to the general rule of spring training – you know, the whole rebirth/renewal theme, where every team starts fresh each year with high hopes regardless of how the previous season ended. It’s true; they do.

Just about every player and manager goes into spring training talking about how excited he is and how he believes his team has a real chance to compete if it stays healthy and does what it’s capable of and blah blah blah.

Regardless of whether he believes it entirely or is trying to convince himself or others that it’s true, there is excitement in virtually every player’s voice as he prepares for spring training, and then even more once they’re in Florida going through the first workouts.

That’s one thing that’s notably different about baseball spring training and other pro sports. Unlike an NFL or NBA training camp, most baseball players want to be there and don’t mind saying so. Baseball teams, with 6-7 weeks to train together in the February and March sunshine of Florida or Arizona, don’t generally work at a frenetic pace.

The crack of the bat and the comforting sound of the ball hitting leather, nearly constant during a spring training day. The dew on the perfectly manicured ball fields. The aroma of coffee colliding at 8 a.m. (or earlier) with the smells of pine tar, chewing tobacco and an occasional cigar. Later, the smell of brats and BBQ from grills beneath the stands.

Pretty girls behind the backstop, trying to get players’ attentions. Little kids with sunburned noses, shouting players’ names and asking pleeeeease for an autograph.

Tape-measure homers onto grass berms during batting practice. Acrobatic double-play ballets from middle infielders who still get a kick out of putting on a show during drills.

It’s special. All of it.

Spring training snapshot: Chipper Jones chats with Braves legend Hank Aaron behind the cage.

Spring training snapshot: Chipper Jones chats with Braves legend Hank Aaron behind the cage.

Even for a 15-year veteran player, or a cynical ink-stained wretch facing 12-14 hours a day of reporting, waiting, writing, Tweeting, blogging and waiting some more, all while consuming copious amounts of coffee, there is something undeniably good and rejuvenating about sunshine and preparing to play a game or chronicling those who are.

And players and reporters aren’t even the ones who enjoy it most.

The great broadcaster Harry Caray – Skip’s dad and Chip’s grandfather — put it this way: “It’s the fans that need spring training. You gotta get ‘em interested. Wake ‘em up and let ‘em know that their season is coming, the good times are gonna roll.”

One more week and we begin to roll.

♣ Hanson ditches hitch: Next time you see Tommy Hanson pitch, you might not recognize him. Gone is the distinctive pause in his throwing motion, that unusual hitch in his delivery that might have – some say probably — contributed to injuries including the shoulder woes that wiped out much of the second half of his promising 2011 season.

“Some of the fatigue that he had, some of the back issues and shoulder issues, we wanted to see if we could make some adjustments and do some delivery work that would take that stress off,” said pitching coach Roger McDowell, who has worked with Hanson on the changes for about six weeks.

Hanson, shown with fans during a recent Braves Caravan stop, has worked this winter to eliminate the hitch in his delivery in hopes of reducing stress on his arm and back.

Hanson, shown with fans during a recent Braves Caravan stop, has worked this winter to eliminate the hitch in his delivery in hopes of reducing stress on his arm and back. (Jason Getz/AJC photo)

Hanson, a rangy 6-foot-6, has honed a more conventional throwing motion that better utilizes the driving power of his long legs instead of relying so much on the funky short-arm, whip-action mechanics he relied upon in the past.

“I like it a lot,” said McDowell, who was asked if he thinks the changes might also benefit Hanson’s overall performance. “That remains to be seen. But anytime you use your legs, for me it’s going to help, because those are the strongest muscles in our body.”

Hanson went 10-4 with a 2.44 ERA and .190 opponents’ average in 17 starts before the All-Star break. Then the shoulder went from nagging to aching, and he was 1-3 with an 8.10 ERA and .313 opponents’ average in his first five starts after the break.

That was it for the year. He didn’t pitch again after Aug. 6. Hanson tried a few times to get back in the rotation, but each time the pain returned when he got back on the mound and ramped up the intensity of his throwing sessions.

With his new, more compact delivery, the California native might have a better chance to stay healthy. Meanwhile, he should be in better position to hold runners at first base. In the past two seasons, he’s allowed more steals (63) than any big league pitcher.

Still, baserunners darting seemingly at will weren’t the impetus for this change.

Hanson was diagnosed with a small undersurface rotator cuff tear in his pitching shoulder in late August, an injury that many veteran major league pitchers develop through normal wear and tear. Usually they can avoid surgery unless the tear worsens.

Only 25, Hanson wanted to take preventive measures this offseason to avoid serious damage. He started with a rigorous conditioning program immediately after the season ended, designed to strengthen the back and shoulder muscles.

He made decision to alter his pitching mechanics when he resumed his throwing program after Christmas.

Hanson and pitching coach Roger McDowell, shown here in a photo from 2011, have worked together this winter to smooth out the pitcher's delivery.

Hanson and pitching coach Roger McDowell, shown here in a photo from 2011, have worked together this winter to smooth out the pitcher's delivery.

Although Hanson and the Braves had discussed in the past couple of years the possibility of eventually making such a change, McDowell said the decision to do it now came from the pitcher when Hanson began throwing at Turner Field.

“It was Tommy’s idea,” McDowell said Friday during the second week of a two-week early pitching camp at the stadium, during which Hanson has continued his workouts. “He came in and wanted to make some adjustments and changes. I told him my ideas and thoughts, and collectively we came up with a plan, and hopefully it’ll work.”

So far everyone likes what they’ve seen from Hanson. McDowell, manager Fredi Gonzalez and bullpen catcher Alan Butts all remarked on how thoroughly Hanson has smoothed out his mechanics in a relatively short period.

“I like it a lot,” said Gonzalez, noting that other byproduct of Hanson’s new delivery. “He is going to be faster to the plate, which should help him hold runners better.”

Hanson allowed a National League-high 33 steals in 2010, and last year he had a majors-leading 30 steals allowed in 22 starts at the time when he went down with what turned out to be a season-ending injury.

“It’s kind of like killing two birds with one stone,” McDowell said of Hanson’s streamlined mechanics. “You can work on your delivery and hopefully that has a better result, as far as his times to the plate and getting his arm in a good position and getting him in a strong position to hold [runners].”

Hanson already threw plenty hard, in the low- to mid-90 mph range. Now that he’s using his legs more in his delivery, it could possibly get his velocity back up a tick or two. Most importantly, it might help him stay healthy for 34-35 starts the Braves need.

“I think that with all pitchers their strength is their core and their lower half,” said McDowell, a former successful major league reliever. “And to be able to utilize that part of their body, it has to take pressure off first and foremost the shoulder, but guys with lower-back issues … I don’t know how much it’ll help, but hopefully it’ll help some.”

A week ago, Hanson said he’s felt strong since he resumed throwing.

“The shoulder feels good, and I don’t feel like there’s going to be any restrictions or anything like that” at spring training, he said. “I feel like I’m going to be ready to go.”

Hanson has grown his red hair grow down to his shoulders this winter. Coupled with a full, untrimmed beard, the 230-pound pitcher has a mountain-man edge about him.

When it was remarked to McDowell that Hanson appears to be in great shape, McDowell smiled and said, “Yeah, and he looks like the Geico man,” referring to the caveman character in a popular series of insurance-company TV commercials.

♣ Braves ticket prices: For single-game ticket sales at Turner Field in 2012, the Braves have expanded their pricing scale to six different ranges according to factors such as to time of week, time of year and attractiveness of opponent.

The Braves' variable ticket pricing this season will include six tiers of games, the highest-priced level including summer Saturday games plus the home opener and Yankees series.

The Braves' variable ticket pricing this season will include six tiers of games, the highest-priced level including summer Saturday games plus the home opener and Yankees series.

For example, the highest range of prices, $13-$95, is for “A” games that include all Saturday dates during June, July and August, along with the April 13 home opener against Milwaukee and the entire June 11-13 series against the New York Yankees.

The least expensive range is $6-$70 for “F” games including all mid-week series in April, May and September — the months when kids are in school and attendance is traditionally lower at Turner Field during the week.

The Braves are also introducing what they’ve called “demand-based pricing” in the Outfield Pavilion sections. On the Braves pocket schedule it says of demand-based pricing: “Buy your tickets early to get the best price.”

The Braves haven’t officially announced single-game ticket prices or a beginning sale date. That announcement is expected in the next week.

♣ OK, we’ll close this with a tune from Thurston Moore, frontman of the legendary Sonic Youth, who had on a pretty terrific solo show last week at The Goat Farm in Atlanta. You can hear the tune by clicking here.

thurston+moore

“THE SHAPE IS IN A TRANCE” by Thurston Moore

I’m not the one they called
but I showed up anyway
set off the critical alarm
tweaked to obey

no matter how they change it
the dream always looks the same
decoy machines are breaking
in protest to the game

the shape is in a trance
fixated on the fire
the shape will take its trance
to think it can go higher

reject his record
eject the lady’s master tape
it’s not that she won’t rewind
its her desire to take shape
abandoned bass amp blowing
love to starlight dream
boxes of blood plugged into
our awesome sick machine

– by David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

2,328 comments Add your comment

Me

February 11th, 2012
1:41 pm

Jcook

February 11th, 2012
1:43 pm

Ahhh….Nothing like the sunny sky of Florida and smell of fresh grass to distract the Wintry Blast we are currently in.

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
1:44 pm

Thanks for the new Blog, Chief! That opening section was a beautiful piece of writing—you completely nailed it. Your pre-Spring Training Blogs and welcome-to-Spring-Training Blogs are always some of my most favorites…

BRING IT ON!!! :D

George

February 11th, 2012
1:44 pm

Thank Goodness HANSON got rid of that herky-jerky delivery.

nyc_brave

February 11th, 2012
1:46 pm

FIRST?! DOB, it’s baseball season! Ahhh!!! Thanks for the blog.

chc4

February 11th, 2012
1:49 pm

Hanson worries me. Shoulders rarely get better on their own and we need Hanson to have a shot this year. Between Tommy and Hudson’s offseason back surgery, we have some serious question marks at the front of the rotation. And we all know how anemic the lineup is. Geez, I’m getting more depressed as I write this. Time for a Fat Tire to liven things up!

Aris

February 11th, 2012
1:49 pm

DOB

Anyway we could get some video of Tommy’s new delivery? Maybe whip out the camera the next time you see him throwing? Thanks.

Red Wolf

February 11th, 2012
1:51 pm

Pitchers are in for a long season of good outings only to leave behind in the score after 6-7 innings while the paltry offense makes the league’s mediocre pitchers look like Nolan Ryan clones. Wren and management didn’t do anything to improve this team that fell apart in September and in several ways opened even bigger holes. Unless something changes soon this is a last place team going nowhere wasting a multitude of quality starts by it pitching staff. Seems like ownership has gone on the cheap taking a page out of Loria’s book.

David O'Brien

February 11th, 2012
1:52 pm

McFann, thank ya.

Me

February 11th, 2012
1:52 pm

But anytime you lose your legs, for me it’s going to help, because those are the strongest muscles in our body.” ???

BravesFan in DC

February 11th, 2012
1:53 pm

Glad to see Hanson working on that hitch. It sure looked like it put stress on his arm. If he can keep the velocity and movement on his pitches with the new delivery, I’m all for it.

jaybob

February 11th, 2012
1:55 pm

Can’t wait to see Tommy’s new delivery.

Hey DOB, did you mean…”But anytime you USE your legs, for me it’s going to help” when quoting Roger? I’m confused.

GO BRAVES!!

David O'Brien

February 11th, 2012
1:57 pm

jaybob: Thanks for the catch. Yes, “use.” Typo fixed now.

jed

February 11th, 2012
2:07 pm

what team/manager was it who said the pitching staff was so awful they were gonna get slaughtered?

abeeewright

February 11th, 2012
2:08 pm

Spring Training inches closer. Thanks for this blog on Hanson’s modified mechanics and the other piece on Chipper’s reflection on his first Spring.

Question marks there are, but the answers will start to manifest soon.

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
2:11 pm

DOB

You’re welcome! :)

abeeewright

February 11th, 2012
2:13 pm

The only way the Braves offense is as putrid as it was in 2011 is if Bourn pulls a McNate impression, and both Prado and Heyward prove to be busts.

abeeewright

February 11th, 2012
2:15 pm

and if McCann’s oblique is permanently damaged.

abeeewright

February 11th, 2012
2:15 pm

count down to McFann’s response in 3…2…1

kenhotlanta

February 11th, 2012
2:19 pm

DOB: Thanks for the new blog and the interview with Chipper…where has the time gone since he was a Rookie?

kenhotlanta

February 11th, 2012
2:20 pm

McFann: Thanks for sharing those pictures, I really enjoyed looking at them.

Patio Daddio

February 11th, 2012
2:21 pm

1998 Florida Marlins
Uniform Numbers

#1  Luis Castillo
#2  Josh Booty
#3  Ryan Jackson
#4  Randy Knorr
#4  Mark Kotsay
#7  Mark Kotsay
#8  Jim Eisenreich
#8  Preston Wilson
#9  Gregg Zaun
#10  Gary Sheffield
#13  Dave Berg
#14  John Wehner
#15  Cliff Floyd
#16  Edgar Renteria
#17  Todd Dunwoody
#18  Kevin Millar
#19  John Roskos
#20  Vic Darensbourg
#20  Brian Edmondson
#21  Jesus Sanchez
#22  Alex Gonzalez
#23  Charles Johnson
#24  Kirt Ojala
#25  Bobby Bonilla
#25  Derrek Lee
#25  Todd Zeile
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#27  Kevin Orie
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#28  John Cangelosi
#30  Craig Counsell
#31  Mike Piazza
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#34  Brian Meadows
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#41  Oscar Henriquez
#43  Eric Ludwick
#44  Donn Pall
#46  Gabe Gonzalez
#47  Rafael Medina
#48  Manuel Barrios
#49  Felix Heredia
#50  Ryan Dempster
#51  Justin Speier
#52  Mike Redmond
#54  Joe Fontenot
#57  Antonio Alfonseca
#58  Dave Berg
#60  Gabe Gonzalez
#61  Livan Hernandez

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
2:21 pm

His oblique is NOT permanently damaged! Well, I mean, I hope it’s not…but for now I say it’s definitely not… :mrgreen:

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
2:21 pm

Good Blog DOB, Hanson just needs to stay healthy and he’ll be in the conversation for Cy Young. Hopefully make the All Star game too.

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
2:23 pm

kenhotlanta

You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed them…they are my pride and joy—I’m always looking for an excuse to show them off… ;)

CB

February 11th, 2012
2:23 pm

Beautifully written,DOB. Thanks for making it feel like it is time for baseball.

David O'Brien

February 11th, 2012
2:24 pm

Added a Hank/Chipper photo to main blog just now, and two Chipper photos to the recollection blog, one from his rookie year and one from last spring. Check ‘em out.

dogsbrekky - tuxonmadisonave

February 11th, 2012
2:24 pm

Great article, hooray on Tommy H, may actually last a long time now… this is great news for our SP depth now

Bobby hill

February 11th, 2012
2:24 pm

I wish Wren had been as active this offseason as DOB always seems to be.

The A Bomb - OUTCHOKED ® TWICE!

February 11th, 2012
2:27 pm

Still got a little college hoops to be decided before baseball takes hold.

Big game in Vegas today.

But its good to see Hanson is making adjustments. He’s a big key.

Bravetiger

February 11th, 2012
2:27 pm

DOB – Since we all like to eat and like great food places, just curious as to your favorite places (away from the ballpark or within) to eat? What delicacy do you look forward to as you follow the Braves in Central and South Florida. Maybe a top 5 list? Thanks. I really enjoy your writings and looking forward to the season.

Jimmy

February 11th, 2012
2:28 pm

Thanks for the new bloggage DOB. I am one of those that actually read the blog before posting anything.

I am really looking forward to this season!!

abeeewright

February 11th, 2012
2:28 pm

McFann … I was actually responding obliquely to one of our natterring nabobs of negativity, so I had to amp up the most absurd things I could think of. Since you were in the hizzouse, I figgered I would rattle your cage too.

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
2:29 pm

I thought Hanson was 6 ft 6, not 6′ 4″?

abeeewright

February 11th, 2012
2:31 pm

Actually, Hanson is 7 feet tall with the afro.

Soph

February 11th, 2012
2:32 pm

Thanks, DOB. I. Can’t. Wait!

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
2:33 pm

We’d all like to give you a big smooch on the cheek for the new blog, Dave. Or just a handshake and a friendly baseball pat on the butt.

Patio Daddio

February 11th, 2012
2:34 pm

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
2:34 pm

D.O.B.

Thanks For the New Blog…

It sucks that this will prolly be your last blog where you will have the time to kick The Actual Factual with us

A week from now you will be on the Grind! Just be sure to tell us when you are going to do your Pimp Appearances on the 680AMTheFan shows?

Oh and BTW I’m gonna laugh my yellow ass off when people come on here bashing you in that they think that you are taking a vacation, when they don’t know how much time you invest in the blog and players…

Someone said it earlier in the Week that you are the Current version of TBS/Skip Caray and I will Co-sign On That…

And I still can’t believe you don’t like old Mariah and Janet Jackson? They are legends….!

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
2:36 pm

McFann

I’m a big McCann fan and hope he follows Chipper’s path and is a Brave for life. Just pointing out that we have to think about how the long term commitment that will affect the team we love even more down the road.

chief pitchanono

February 11th, 2012
2:36 pm

Thanks for the update. Spring trainings comeing, I can smell it already! I’m feeling good about this season. We have had a good ballclub for the last 21/2 seasons. Yeah September was a let down for sure but we still had a good season over all. I think anytime your team has good pitching you have a real good chance of being relevent come September. Not only do the Braves have that but they also have quality depth which is even more reason for confidence. If our offense can figure out away to score a few more runs this year we can easily go from a good team to a WC contender. The division should be improved this year which I think only hurts the phills. They are the team that has been walking away with the division the last few years by padding there win column by feasting on the Nats and Florida. These teams have played us tough in the past few years anyway so our record against them will prob. be about the same, but if they can improve against philly that will certainly increase the chances of someone takeing the division from them this year. I expect a close 3or 4 team race to the finish with maybe only 1-5 wins seperating 1st and 4th place. Maybe 3 playoffs teams comeing out of the East?

Go Braves!!!

David O'Brien

February 11th, 2012
2:39 pm

I thought Hanson was 6 ft 6, not 6′ 4″?

Actually, I just noticed he’s now listed as 6-6. In past it was 6-5 (my 6-4 was mistake). And while I’m not sure if he’s 6-6 in bare feet, I can say he’s a good inch or more taller than Heyward and Freeman. Hanson actually looks like he’s taller since last year. He’s big.

And he’s a couple sandwiches or more over 230, not the 220 listed. But he carries it well after offseason of working out. Says he wants to lose a little, but not much, before season.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
2:39 pm

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

“We’d all like to give you a big smooch on the cheek for the new blog, Dave. Or just a handshake and a friendly baseball pat on the butt.”

No No No, D.O.B. Needs a Cigar and A Tokyo Tea or a Tomarita From the Chophouse

D.O.B. is a Vet Though, I bet he Prolly Downs The Heinikens when he is on Tour???

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
2:44 pm

DOB, I’m full of useless information. My wife agrees. Knowing a players height is one of my many useless talents.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
2:46 pm

Bravetiger

“DOB – Since we all like to eat and like great food places, just curious as to your favorite places (away from the ballpark or within) to eat? What delicacy do you look forward to as you follow the Braves in Central and South Florida. Maybe a top 5 list? Thanks. I really enjoy your writings and looking forward to the season.”

From reading his Blog since 2005, I think D.O.B. loves San Deigo and the Fish Tacos…? He loves it on the west coast??? The Lack of sleep sucks but I’m sure D.O.B. loves Those West Coast Swings?

I Think he likes Seattle in July as opposed to the Humidity down here in The “A”… And D.O.B Likes Minneapolis and the New Twins Ballpark

South Florida will be a Favorite Again with D.O.B. With the New Ballpark… I can see him and Fredi Getting their Grub on at Several S. Florida joints in the MIA as well as Ft Liquordale?

Am I right D.O.B.?

And D. O.B. is not too fond of The Rotten Apple (New Yawk)?

Patio Daddio

February 11th, 2012
2:48 pm

Tommy’s dad, Tom, is only 6′ if that so Tommy doesn’t get his height from him. I’m 6′4″ and yes Tommy is 6′6″.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
2:48 pm

@Chatt-lanta Brian

When are you Coming Down To The “A” to see a game?

You seem like a Good Drinking Bro that loves Dem Braves and Knows his Stuff???

Zing

February 11th, 2012
2:51 pm

DOB: AJC is lucky to have a guy who loves baseball and is such an expressive writer. Nice blog post.

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
2:52 pm

I used to think Chipper was maybe a little over 6 feet, but at a game a while back we were down towards the dugout and CJ was standing there, I was surprised to see how tall and big he is in real life.

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
2:53 pm

abwright

You’re so considerate… :roll:

;) No, unless something happens during Spring Training to change this, I’m planning on going into the season without anything hanging over my (well, really his) head—no oblique thing, no eye things, nothing. Just relax and enjoy the ride! :)

VaBravesFan

Yeah, yeah…

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
2:55 pm

I have a Question for All Braves Fans

LISTEN UP?

Over The Last 20 years? What was the best Braves Double Play Combo (SS And 2nd-Base)

This is a Hard one to knock….?

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
2:56 pm

Thanks Tomahawkin. I’m sure we’ll be down for a game in the summer, hopefully early like in June. And I can’t drink with the meds and my condition, but I can sure guzzle some water! I’m stilll pretty fun though, I think. Love doing imitations.

David O'Brien

February 11th, 2012
2:56 pm

ChattTownBrian: Chipper’s every bit of 6-4.

David O'Brien

February 11th, 2012
2:57 pm

Zing, thanks. I appreciate that.

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
2:57 pm

I project McCann to hit (if he stay’s healthy) 285/365/475 30 2B 26 HR 100 RBI for the 1st time.

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
2:58 pm

Belliard and Lemke were very good at turning two.

dogsbrekky - tuxonmadisonave

February 11th, 2012
2:59 pm

VaFan – be nice if we had ONE player with >>>> 100 rbi… I mean afterall when was the last time anyone had over 100 rbi as a Brave (Andruw 2005??)

Soph

February 11th, 2012
3:02 pm

Nice to see UNC bounce back after the heartbreaker.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:03 pm

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

“Belliard and Lemke were very good at turning two.”

Co-Sign, I was Thinking the same Thing…I’m Banking Fredi doing The Pastor/Wilson Platoon (The Pastor plays the 1st 7-8innings and bring in Jackie as a defensive replacement from the 7-8thinning on)

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:04 pm

nice writing

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
3:05 pm

VaBravesFan I project McCann to hit (if he stay’s healthy) 285/365/475 30 2B 26 HR 100 RBI for the 1st time.

I’d take that in a heartbeat!… :)

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:06 pm

I think we have a damn good lineup. No more SeaBass and his terrible 270 OBP, Uggla will most likely be more balanced and there is no way Heyward or Prado not improve. Also full year of Bourn.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:07 pm

RBI are meaningless, everybody knows that Doggy………

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:09 pm

Hello everyone! Nice article on Hanson. Like the way he changed his motion,and looking forward to see him pitch. Another pitcher I read about was Carlos Perez. He has a change up fast ball,and curve ball. He has some commmand problems,but with velocity on his fast ball. He can clock it around 91,but needs to improve on it. Carlos Perez is another one that could make the jump in a couple of years,or so.Braves are definately deep in pitching.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:10 pm

VaBravesFan

“I project McCann to hit (if he stay’s healthy) 285/365/475 30 2B 26 HR 100 RBI for the 1st time.”

My Man, Put down the Kool-Aid Bro on the 100 rbi prediction, that is a hard stat to achieve as a catcher…

B-Macc is only guranteed to start in 125 games and he gets worn down as the heat/summer progresses…Not to mention for B-Macc to drive in that many hitting 4 or 5? the guys in fron of him have to have some nasty OBP’s like in the .360-.390 range?

Im happy if B-Macc drives in 80-90, because that gurantees that 1) he will be an All Star, and 2) He will win another silver slugger…

No offense but B-Macc Nor Chipper Can’t be relied on to carry the offense!

Its Time for Ugg, Martini, and Heyward to step up? If they Don’t we will end up in 3rd place, Bank On It!

Couch Tater

February 11th, 2012
3:10 pm

Nice blog. Cold weather. I might have to hop a Spring Train and get some sand in my shoes.

Juan

February 11th, 2012
3:11 pm

IMO:…Best Combo second & Ss on Braves History is Glenn Hubbard/Rafy Ramirez

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:11 pm

WARRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kenhotlanta

February 11th, 2012
3:12 pm

Ward: My comment to you was meant as a joke, I was only kidding. I apologize for offending you.

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:13 pm

They are meaningless, but still a milestone number. Shows your a massive run producer. Hard to believe there were 11 players who had 30+ homers but didn’t reach the 100 rbi mark. Only 15 players drove in 100+ runs last season. Only 11 teams had a 100 RBI guy.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:13 pm

Rafy Ramirez? You gotta be kidding, a terrible fielder who made 30 or more errors in 6 different seasons

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:15 pm

Ken- Than all is cool we are buds……

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:16 pm

Tomahawkin

McCann at 28 years old could be in line for his career year.

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:17 pm

Tomahawkin- Like my post on Carlos Perez. We should all keep an eye on him. He reminds me of Pedro Martinez. The way he is built.

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
3:18 pm

Hey, he was having a career year last year before he got hurt…That just means this year, he’s going to actually complete it!… :)

Playoffs!!!

February 11th, 2012
3:19 pm

That’s good news on Hanson. He really couldn’t go on much longer with the old delivery.
And, just wondering now—as spring training approaches— who will be the last position player/ hitter to make the team? We usually go with 13 (as opposed to 12 pitchers).
We could use another middle infielder/and someone to be a CF backup.
DOB, who are the candidates?

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:20 pm

Last season I said McCann would be a top 5 MVP candidate.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:21 pm

VaBravesFan

“I think we have a damn good lineup. No more SeaBass and his terrible 270 OBP, Uggla will most likely be more balanced and there is no way Heyward or Prado not improve. Also full year of Bourn.”

Good Point! Fredi Better Utilize The Bourn Supremacy’s Speed on the Bases as well as Wreck Havoc….

I’m Gonna Be P’d If Bobby-Lite Doesn’t use Hit and Runs and And Stealing bases with This Lineup…Sitting back and waithing on the 3 run homer Is NOT Gonna Cut it! Didn’t the Braves lead the NL in Solo Homers Last year with that Garbage Philosopy???

Let me be the Hitting Coach for a Week? Free of charge Just give me all the Free Food at the stadium and the Braves Cheerleaders or Sandra Golden….

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:22 pm

Playoffs!!!

Luis Durango and Jose Constanza are most likely gonna battle for the back up CFer job. The bench will be Ross, Hinske, Wilson, Diaz and one of them from the looks of it.

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:22 pm

My guess Is Drew Sutton for SS,and 3rd base,and might be a surprise of the year?

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

February 11th, 2012
3:23 pm

Excellent Blog (as usual), well researched. Can’t wait to see how effective the delivery is.

DOB, you spoke to everyone but Boras re: the change….

dogsbrekky - tuxonmadisonave

February 11th, 2012
3:23 pm

noliw – yes but when was the last time we had any player with 100 of those meaningless thingies

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
3:24 pm

VaBravesFan

Yeah, a lot of us were thinking that—I think DOB even wrote a Blog about it…But, that’s all water under the proverbial bridge, now…[Almost] Time to to start over—I think he’s gonna be quite good again this season…

Lakedawg

February 11th, 2012
3:25 pm

Any DB combo with Lemke or Hubbard in the middle was outstanding-

Robards

February 11th, 2012
3:25 pm

That ‘98 Marlins staff was pretty bad. Leyland was correct.

dogsbrekky - tuxonmadisonave

February 11th, 2012
3:26 pm

THawk – Seabass was our best hitter the last 10 games when we choked

Just sayin

Playoffs!!!

February 11th, 2012
3:27 pm

VaBravesFan, Ward–

Don’t know much about Sutton or Durango. They come up through the Braves’ system?

Chris from the Rock

February 11th, 2012
3:27 pm

Call me crazy, but I predict Beachy leads the team in W’s this year-with at least 15.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:27 pm

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:16 pm
Tomahawkin

McCann at 28 years old could be in line for his career year.

Good Point…But Rossy Is The best backup in the league!…

And I would agrre with your prediction if and only if PED’s/HGH were around…

If B-Macc Played in the 90’s he’d do .295, 30-100 every year and would be underrated to Mike Piazza (who was on that Sh.t) …but thats not the case now

LAG

February 11th, 2012
3:28 pm

dogsbrekky – tuxonmadisonave – I mean afterall when was the last time anyone had over 100 rbi as a Brave (Andruw 2005??)

Chipper and Frenchy, 2007.

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:28 pm

The weakest part of our ball club is gonna be the bench unless some of them bounce back a bit. Hinske was bad at pinch hitting, Diaz showed no power, there both poor defenders, Wilson couldn’t be a ok hitter if his life depended on it. Ross is the bright spot as you can’t do much better than him as your backup catcher. So if we have any major injuries there will be a concern. Also if Pastornicky struggles and isn’t ready Wilson is next in line and he’s worse than SeaBass in the batter’s box.

dogsbrekky - tuxonmadisonave

February 11th, 2012
3:28 pm

2006 Frenchy and Andruw each had over 100 rbi… 5 seasons back

dogsbrekky - tuxonmadisonave

February 11th, 2012
3:29 pm

bugger, missed 07, thx LAG

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:30 pm

dogsbrekky – tuxonmadisonave

“THawk – Seabass was our best hitter the last 10 games when we choked”
Just sayin”

Yeah, and that says something abt how bad our AWFense Choked in the last 6 weeks…Gonzo was never Clutch…

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:30 pm

yeah bench looks like the weakest part of the club right now, perhaps very weak

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:32 pm

Playoffs!!!

Durango is from the San Diego Organization. Speedster with no power, his Minor league numbers are very very impressive. 312/403/361 in 2,590 PAs. 25 years old.

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:32 pm

Wilson is a solid player,and he might have a solid year at the plate.He’s not that bad.Plus Drew Sutton could fill in too.

NV049

February 11th, 2012
3:33 pm

Over The Last 20 years? What was the best Braves Double Play Combo (SS And 2nd-Base) Tomhawkin

Lemke 2b -Belliard – SS

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

February 11th, 2012
3:33 pm

can’t believe ST starts in 1 week.

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:34 pm

Also Durango has a impressive 318 BB to only 306 K. So this guy can put the bat on the ball. You rarely ever see non-power hitter compile a 400+ OBP. While he will never be anything special at the MLB level I still think he can be a solid bench player and out produce Jose Constanza.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

Chris from the Rock

“Call me crazy, but I predict Beachy leads the team in W’s this year-with at least 15.”

I like that Prediction from BB’s Composure and Poine…He reminds me of a young Kevin Millwod

Your Prediction in that he will win 15 games is a prediction that I will take to the Bank…

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

Agon is dead,and lets move on………

NV049

February 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

how ya ben health wise Nolie ?

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

Lemke and Belliard

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:36 pm

I meant to say BB’s Poise…He reminds me of a young Kevin Millwood in that regards

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:36 pm

hi Wayne, I been ok lately, how ’bout you? I see youse guys moved sites huh?

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:37 pm

Ward

Jack Wilson is horrible. He is SeaBass with zero power. Since 2009 he’s hit 250/285/329 with 5 homers.

NV049

February 11th, 2012
3:38 pm

nolie

3:35 pm
Lemke and Belliard

Thats my choice too ..

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:38 pm

Never cared too much for Lemke,or Belliard. They cost us runs in the Post-Season,and World Series.They couldn’t hit much when faced good pitching.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

I liked The Quivilo Veras and Furkey (Furcal) Combo (2000-2001ish) Back then Furkey was compared to Shawon Dunston…

NV049

February 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

hi Wayne, I been ok lately, how ’bout you? I see youse guys moved sites huh? nolie

Ok here yep we moved drop by sometime ..
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Atlanta_Braves/index.php?act=idx

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

Agon cursed the Braves for two seasons,and glad he’s gone.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:40 pm

best defensive combo in twenty years most likely and Lemmer had a few good post seasons with the bat IIRC

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

Pastornicky is gonna give the team a boost in the speed and baserunning departments. I see him putting the bat on the ball often too. He’s only K’d 198 times in 1,714 minor league PAs.

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

Anyways, I’m just glad we have a change in SS,and can move on.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:43 pm

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:37 pm
Ward

“Jack Wilson is horrible. He is SeaBass with zero power. Since 2009 he’s hit 250/285/329 with 5 homers.”

Co-Sign!

I was Lusting for Omar Vizquel…because Jack Wilson’s Defense at SS is overrated was hi offense was overrated last year….I fell into it that kool aid trap during the collapse…

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
3:44 pm

Thanks for the new blog, DOB…great work as always.

Just a heads up – you’ve got Hanson listed as 6′4″ and 6′6″ in the blog

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

whoooo! UGA knocks off Mississippi State

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

I’m willing to give Wilson a chance. He’s back up anyways.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

I miss Little Big Man Lemke and Jeff “See Through Blauser” because they were humble…And were instrumental parts of the Braves from 1991-96

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:46 pm

Hawkin

Wilson is a good defender at shortstop still, good veteran to help Pastor out. You just don’t want him starting many games.

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:47 pm

Ward

I was just using SeaBass as a comparison. I know you couldn’t stand him, so just imagine him with none of that power and thats Jack Wilson.

Playoffs!!!

February 11th, 2012
3:47 pm

Wjhy did San Diego let Durango go?

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:48 pm

All I have to say is Jack Wilson will only hopefully start once a week…?

Ward

February 11th, 2012
3:49 pm

Well,guy’s the SS debate is yours,and be cool. My mind is made up,and I’m backing Pastor all the way this year. peace my friends.Talk Later tonight.

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
3:50 pm

OT

Did Anyone Hear about the TMZ/Sex Drama that involves Josh Hamiliton?

Ralph

February 11th, 2012
3:50 pm

Just hope that getting rid of the hitch doesn’t effect his stuff or control. I always beleived that pause in his delivery allowed the hitters to pick up the ball and see it better.

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:51 pm

Playoffs!!!

Guess cause they had so much Outfield depth, they only gave him about 60 PA’s at the big league level. He produced 305/365/305 with 7 stolen bases. But had Zero Extra Base Hits. He actually was in the Houston organization last season tho. Got 7 PAs in bigs.

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
3:54 pm

I’m rooting for Durango to win the final roster spot. He would be the 2nd fastest player on the team. Would be a good pinch runner for late in games and defensive sub. While he doesn’t hit for power at all, he will put the ball in play.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:55 pm

absolutely no pop in AA or AAA and not really a good stealing % for his speed. got to MiLB free agent age and they valued others more I guess, Playoffs

Ray

February 11th, 2012
3:55 pm

Marlins apparently have offered Cespedes around 40m for 6 yrs. May not be a bad gamble. The Marlins are definitely banking everything on the monies from the new ballpark. What happens if they fall out in August, do the fans continue to show up? Will the fans give the Marlins a 2 yr window to be strong competitors?

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
3:55 pm

I’m not sure why Wilson’s getting so much hate. Good defensive backups usually don’t hit too well. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be backups. It’s not his role to be a slugger.

Chris from the Rock

February 11th, 2012
3:55 pm

A few more of my “crazy” predictions:

Heyward’s OPS will be North of .860
Freeman records more SBs than McCann
Teheran starts more than 25 games in big leagues
Medlen leads staff in appearances
Pastornicky hits 9th in NL parks multiple times (sigh)
Randall Delgado is traded before season’s end
Bobby Cox gets tossed in game while managing Braves’ Futures squad

nolie

February 11th, 2012
3:57 pm

not sure there is much speed difference between Durango and Constanza. Very similar players. Constanza was a MUCH more successful baserunner in the minors than Durango was

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
3:57 pm

I miss Little Big Man Lemke and Jeff “See Through Blauser” because they were humble…And were instrumental parts of the Braves from 1991-96

They were humble because they were average at best. And haven’t you said that you miss Chipper’s old swagger and cockiness?

LAG

February 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

Ralph – Good point about hitters being able to pick up Hanson’s pitches, and I agree. It seemed like he wasn’t good at hiding the ball… though it’s possible that in the Minors he didn’t have to much.

Bravesgrl4Life

February 11th, 2012
4:00 pm

Thanks for the new blog, DOB. I have missed Braves
blogging this winter. Hey there, McFann!

Playoffs!!!

February 11th, 2012
4:00 pm

Nolie—If Durango can get on base, and play good defense, then he has some value.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
4:00 pm

seriously doubt Delgado gets traded this season. and north of 860 is star position now days, 850 being the new 920 and all…… ;)

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
4:01 pm

Bravesgrl4Life!! HI!! :D Good to see you again! How’s everything going?

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
4:02 pm

I just don’t like Constanza I guess lol

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
4:02 pm

Drew Sutton seemed like a popular name a few years back. Now I don’t know if this means he was supposed to be good player soon or not, just sayin he was a name I remember reading a lot not long ago.

nolie, Efrim? Help me out here. Ya’ll know.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
4:03 pm

no more than Constanza most likely. hardly a nickel worth of difference in the two except Connie is a much better baserunner. since they are so similar and neither is set it will likely depend on who has the better spring

nolie

February 11th, 2012
4:04 pm

I don’t like Constanza either

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:05 pm

Well he doesn’t like you

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
4:06 pm

I really liked what I saw out of Delgado. He was damn good for no experience rookie I thought. I think there might’ve been a little pressure on Teheran to show what so many say he is and could be one day soon. Add that he was probably worn down by the time he was up with Atlanta.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
4:08 pm

not really sure where you heard of him Brian, nothing really special about him. had a couple decent AAA years but he has never been all that AFAICR

Soph

February 11th, 2012
4:09 pm

I like ‘teen ‘teen.

Bravo_F 52

February 11th, 2012
4:09 pm

I love Constanza last year seeing Chipper”s face scrunch up after he foul tipped a fast ball and sniff his bat cracked me up never would have happened without “George”

nolie

February 11th, 2012
4:09 pm

he can stand in a long line then Jeffrey……….

nolie

February 11th, 2012
4:11 pm

most days I don’t even like me

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
4:11 pm

Probably heard of him from Coach. Another Cruz prediction maybe.

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
4:11 pm

I like BMac.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
4:12 pm

I’ma ‘teen ‘teen tooer

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:12 pm

I like ‘teen ‘teen.

He doesn’t like you

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:13 pm

I like TexMex

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
4:13 pm

I like me. You should like yourself. If you don’t, who will? God made everybody different for a reason.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
4:20 pm

we better hope that Dentz doesn’t read that comment Brian or he will be on here with a diatribe against the folly of religion :roll:

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:24 pm

Well getting closer, we shall see, I hope the team is better, but I have reservations, serious ones!

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:26 pm

Ray

February 11th, 2012
4:29 pm

Barring any serious injuries I do think the Braves are going to be in the hunt and will make the playoffs.

Tommy Hanson (Braves) — BaseballMoves.com

February 11th, 2012
4:31 pm

[...] Source: ajc.com [...]

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
4:31 pm

jeffrey d We know.

You do? OK…I wasn’t sure if I’d mentioned it or not…

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:32 pm

better at this point to hope they can be somewhat competetive, til you see the product actually play on the field.

Soph

February 11th, 2012
4:33 pm

I like Mac too. BTW, I wasn’t calling him a buttface the other day, McFann.

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:34 pm

McFann – haha, that was to JoeBrave, not you :)

Ray

February 11th, 2012
4:35 pm

I am quite positive the Braves will be more than somewhat competitive.

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:35 pm

Does Hudson come back healthy? does Chipper have two legs or one?did mcCann keep hos fat ass away from the local krispy Kreme?, did Frediot actually gain some sense?

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:35 pm

BTW, I wasn’t calling him a buttface the other day, McFann.

She was calling him a butthead

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:36 pm

Ray, I hope they are but highly doubt they will be making any playoffs.

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:36 pm

did mcCann keep hos fat ass away from the local krispy Kreme?

I wasn’t aware that B-Mac was moonlighted as a pimp

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:37 pm

Moonlighting*

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:37 pm

meant his fatass

Soph

February 11th, 2012
4:38 pm

did mcCann keep hos fat ass away from the local krispy Kreme?

Free Brick February!

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:39 pm

don’t think the Braves need to be worried about the Filthies, more likely better worry more about the Nats, that team has killed the Braves the last few years!

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:40 pm

any Atlanta playoff road will run through Washington, St.Louis, and possibly Cinncinnati

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:41 pm

til these broken down squares fit into round holes, I aint drinkin the kool ade.

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:41 pm

Well it’s highly doubtful they’ll make the playoffs, so what’s the point, JoeBrave?

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
4:42 pm

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:42 pm

41 years a Braves fan, and 1 damn WS title, I’ll pass til they show me different.

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:44 pm

point is jeffy, these cats aren’t good enough to be called a contender, Half Year Jair, Oom Bop, Chipper, and Playdough, neither can stay on the field, and now a rook at SS. please gimme a break!

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:45 pm

saving some money this year I am……

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:46 pm

I’ll pass til they show me different.

I don’t think you know what “pass” means. “Pass” means to leave alone, not complain illogically about how awful the Braves are….and then keep following a team you hate for 41 years.

nashvillewill

February 11th, 2012
4:47 pm

This team has all the makings of a disaster: no hit offense, number 1, number 2, and number 3 starters returning from injuries, number 2 starter trying out a new delivery, a bunch of rookie or second year pitchers, a rookie SS, and an inept manager. The bullpen is the team strength but without a lead they won’t have much opportunity for holds and saves. I think by midseason: Wren and Gonzales will be fired; Hanson will be back on DL; Braves will continue trend of end of 2011 and lose 60% of games. The only hope is for about 12 IFs to fall in place. Way too iffy.
Sorry, folks. Let’s not let Spring start give us unrealistic expectations.

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:47 pm

don’t hate em jeffy, tired of the glide trac, is more like it. jaded is more a fitting description, if you think a kid like Pastorstinky is going to make a difference you are nuts!

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
4:49 pm

jeffrey d haha, that was to JoeBrave, not you

Oh…Haha! Well, it seemed appropriate… :P

Soph

I know! :) It just looked funny with cab’s post…

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:49 pm

Let’s not let Spring start give us unrealistic expectations

:lol:

ooooh wallowing

Soph

February 11th, 2012
4:50 pm

Pack it up and go home, Braves. Don’t even bother.

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
4:50 pm

Yes, Bricks are flying! Though I’m trying to save up all my freebies till the games start up… :P

Ray

February 11th, 2012
4:51 pm

Joe, One of the best overall pitching staffs in baseball not just the NL. Prado healthy. McCann healthy. He has proven what he can do when he is healthy. Uggla settled in. Bourn set. Our late inning relievers are not question marks. Do you realize we probably have LESS question marks going into spring training this year than last year?

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:53 pm

I’ll give you the reasons why they won’t be making any playoffs
1. Dan Uggla a prolific slow starter, will repeat his performance of last year
2. Chipper Jones, already limited by his decomposing corpse, will be further restricted by reduced playing time.
3. half year Jair
4. Oom Bop will again be on the DL
5.Moonshot Pastorstinky and his brick glove band at ss
6. another year of wearing out the pen,
7.Matt Diaz… nothing more to be said!
8.expecting more than 10 wins apiece out of Beachy/Minor
9.will Heyward return to form??? more like .265 and 18 hr.
10.Defense, outside of Freeman, and Bourn, this team is a water sieve!
tell me again why get excited?

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
4:55 pm

Bravesgrl4Life

“Thanks for the new blog, DOB. I have missed Braves
blogging this winter. Hey there, McFann!”

Ur BACKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome!

Soph

February 11th, 2012
4:55 pm

Because it’s baseball. That’s enough for me to get excited.

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:55 pm

And now I am off again til I actually see the product from the comfort of my living room.

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:56 pm

Yeah Soph, I will be excited to see the Rangers, and Rays actually put a good team on the field.

Ray

February 11th, 2012
4:57 pm

I consider anyone that has a legit shot for the playoffs a contender. Under my definition that makes the Braves a contender. Yes there are questions but show me a team that doesn’t have questions. Joe name 1 team that doesn’t have questions at this time of the year?

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

Ray,
Rangers
Yankees
Rays
Diamondbacks
need I go on?

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

tell me again why get excited?

So if the Braves have “jaded” you, and you have so many problems with the Braves, and if you’re convinced they’re going to fail, and you’re not getting excited….why do you continue following the team?

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
4:59 pm

gotta score more than 2 runs a game to win folks, that is a fact, the Braves starters cannot pitch deep enough to throw a shut out!

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
5:01 pm

after many pumped up years jeffy, I am watching to see how miserably they fail this go round! maybe bad enough to see Frediot FIRED!

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
5:02 pm

Whatever floats your boat. But you sound miserable

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
5:02 pm

Mark it down, going on record right now, the Washington Nationals will win the N.L. East this year.

Ray

February 11th, 2012
5:03 pm

Joe have you seen the kid play SS? I am guessing not. There are many reports out there some negative some positive. Until we see him through spring training and into the season, there will not be a solid evaluation. Uggla slow start? He had a slow start with us. Are you able to predict that JJ will only pitch a half a season? These are opinions based on a negative viewpoint. Not based on facts. The example is your prediction of JJ pitching for a half season.

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
5:03 pm

Yes Ray I have seen this kid play, and I can tell you Rafael Ramirez, noo Andres Tomas was a better SS!

Soph

February 11th, 2012
5:04 pm

Death nail. I give up.

Ray

February 11th, 2012
5:06 pm

I didn’t realize you were an expert scout. By the way are you saying the rangers, yanks D backs and Rays do not have question marks? Just based on your evaluations of a pitching staff, the Yanks have a few question marks. The rangers moving their closer to a starter, that is not a question mark on how he will perform? Really?

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
5:07 pm

see history Ray on JJ, two years in a row on the DL any reason to think this will change, this guy has given the Braves a total average of 134 innings in each of the last 2 years, I am basing JJ on facts sir!
116.2 ip in 2011
152.0 ip in 2010 an average of 134 ip. there is your proof.

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

The Braves clean up hitter averaging a BA over the last 3 seasons of .254? seriously?

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

Thats not proof, that’s assumption. Big difference

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

look at it any way you want, the sumbee will be on the DL again with OOM BOP, Chipper, and Playdough!

Ray

February 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

The fact of the last 2 seasons. That is not a fact for this year. It is an opinion for this year. THAT is a fact. Based on history as you put it, then Uggla will not struggle. McCann you mentioned doughnuts, how is that a fact and not a shot and an opinion? I am not saying be a homer. And the Nat’s winning the NL East a fact or an opinion? Just curious.

Patio Daddio

February 11th, 2012
5:11 pm

Anyone can read the past, but nobody can read the future Miss Cleo

Wide Right

February 11th, 2012
5:22 pm

DOB,

I offer thanks for a great article and a head’s up that you described Hanson as 6′4 and then 6′6. Personally, I don’t think its a mistake, i think this new pitching motion is so beneficial he is growing at a rate of a half inch per paragraph.

Ray

February 11th, 2012
5:23 pm

oh and joe your stats about the braves batting 4th. how about getting at least 1 fact correct not opinion. Look at MLB splits and there were only 2 teams, Tigers and Rangers having a higher avg than the Braves. THAT is a fact sir. Not an opinion.

Playoffs!!!

February 11th, 2012
5:28 pm

The Braves are a contender—but they need to stay clear of major injuries because they are incredibly thin after their starting 8. Their pitching, however, has good depth. I don’t think we’ll even miss Hudson in April.

JoeBrave

February 11th, 2012
5:29 pm

Okay keep drinkin the kool ade!

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
5:32 pm

How does not being bitter and miserable equal “drinking the kool aid” ?

Ray

February 11th, 2012
5:32 pm

Braves are a bit thin in the position players and cannot afford any major injuries especially to the outfield or at first. Pitching wise Braves could handle it a bit.

Ray

February 11th, 2012
5:34 pm

Not drinking kool aid. I just threw out a fact and you are throwing out opinions. Which is cool but don’t list an opinion as a fact. Here is a link as far as batting fourth. This is a fact not an opinion. 2 teams ahead of the Braves.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp?c_id=atl#game_type=‘R’&season=2011&league_code=’MLB’&split=b4&playerType=ALL&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1328999535131

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
5:38 pm

“You Can Stand Under My Umbrella

Ella Ella, Eh Eh Eh Eh

Under My Umbrella

Ella Ella, Eh Eh, Eh, Eh Eh…”

I’m not a Rhianna Fan, but that song still goes Hard!

Lew

February 11th, 2012
5:53 pm

Ward – Not so sure how you can claim that Lemmer hurt us in the post season. His career numbers for Regular Season were .246, .317, .324, .641, but in the Post Season, he hit .272, .335, .353, .688 with 10 2B, 3 3B and a HR in 11 Post season series.

Seems to me he kicked it up a notch in the playoffs.

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
5:53 pm

cabravesfan How does not being bitter and miserable equal “drinking the kool aid” ?

KoolAid is sweet… :P They must be drinking lemonade without sugar…

Chop Chop

February 11th, 2012
5:55 pm

I’ve been talking with some die-hard Braves fans who, in the past, have always been overwhelmingly positive heading into new seasons. This is not the case for 2012. Last season definitely burned a lot of fans out there.

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
5:56 pm

otherwise known as lemon juice ;) (which is a good way to naturally lighten hair, by the way…)

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
5:58 pm

Last season is done. No reason to cling to it and act like it will have any baring on the outcome of this one.

Ray

February 11th, 2012
5:59 pm

I guess only if you claim doom and gloom you are not drinking the kool aid. I did learn something today, that a prediction is now a fact.

Lew

February 11th, 2012
6:00 pm

Chop Chop – Yeah, we know. We have listened to the vitriol and horse manure from those frustrated fans for the last 5 months – on a daily (sometimes half hourly or worse) basis..

Ray

February 11th, 2012
6:04 pm

Do the Braves have question marks of course they do. Every team does. Joe threw out a couple of teams that he deemed have no question marks at all like the Yanks and the Rangers. Pitching on both teams are big question marks. But anyways IMO, it is an opinion and not a fact, that the Braves actually have less question marks this year than last year.

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
6:05 pm

Plumlees are running amok.

Lew

February 11th, 2012
6:05 pm

And – quite honestly – didn’t really seem all that different from most off seasons. Same old. Vitriol, hatred and the spouting of consistent garbage from the usual suspects.

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
6:27 pm

Lew killed the blog! LEW KILLED THE BLOG!!!!

Ray

February 11th, 2012
6:32 pm

who will be the Braves top starting pitcher in wins this year. Who will lead the team in Hr’s avg, OBP and rbi this year? I am going with Hanson with 17 wins. Uggla with hr’s and rbi 32 and 94.

DiamondbackMac

February 11th, 2012
6:32 pm

I wonder how he does that?

Bravo_F 52

February 11th, 2012
6:38 pm

I’ll say J-hey 37 317 383 and Jair 22

VaBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
6:38 pm

Wins Hanson
ERA Hanson
SO Beachy
AVG Prado
OBP Heyward
SLG Uggla
HR Uggla
2B McCann
3B Bourn
SB Bourn

Lew

February 11th, 2012
6:41 pm

Dback – It’s a talent.

DiamondbackMac

February 11th, 2012
6:43 pm

Now, if you could just wipe out all of those negative posts.

DiamondbackMac

February 11th, 2012
6:44 pm

Lew, did you see that message I sent you on FB?

Ray

February 11th, 2012
6:46 pm

VA I bet that is probably pretty close right down the line.

DiamondbackMac

February 11th, 2012
6:47 pm

Lew, look at number 8 of these 17 historic baseball cards. Who does that guy look like? http://www.livescience.com/14634-photos-awkward-baseball-cards.html

[...] this article: Pitchers and catchers report soon, Hanson without hitch – Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) Related Posts:Baseball’s a business — ask Moylan, Conrad – Atlanta Journal Constitution [...]

SeATLite

February 11th, 2012
6:54 pm

Will you look at this “cynical, ink-stained wretch”? I thought for a minute I was reading a Roger Angell piece, DOB. Nice work (as usual).

Hey folks, I have an opportunity to toss out there. A friend of mine who is family friends with Brian McCann says Brian is looking for a new Web administrator for his website, http://www.brian-mccann.com, which exists mostly to publicize his charity, the Rally Foundation. It’s not a paid position, but it’s a cool treat for any Braves-loving techie with web skills. If you’re interested, post a comment saying so and we’ll work out how to get you the contact info.

njbraves

February 11th, 2012
6:56 pm

The biggest and best move the Braves made was getting rid of Lowe. The guy lost 17 games last year. Plug one of the kids in his spot and I highly doubt they will lose 17. Injuries can derail any team’s season, we just have to hope they don’t have to deal with too many. This is a playoff team barring Amy major, long term setbacks. Everyone needs to relax. We’ve got people calling “ballgame” before pitchers and catchers even report. It’s ridiculous.

ncgary

February 11th, 2012
7:07 pm

i’m sure mcfann would love that position seatlite

Bravefaninok

February 11th, 2012
7:09 pm

Ray

February 11th, 2012
6:04 pm

Do the Braves have question marks of course they do. Every team does. Joe threw out a couple of teams that he deemed have no question marks at all like the Yanks and the Rangers. Pitching on both teams are big question marks. But anyways IMO, it is an opinion and not a fact, that the Braves actually have less question marks this year than last year.

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The Rangers have as many Question marks as any team in baseball,The biggest being can Hamilton stay healthy(and sober).I love the player but it is a big question mark.Several other questions as to their pitching .The Yankees are getting old lots of questions there as well.

Ray

February 11th, 2012
7:16 pm

Bravefan, that is exactly my point. We can look just at the teams that had big signings, Tigers, Angels, even Rangers, Yanks, and Phils, all have question marks at this time of the year. Some are big question marks and some not so big. Most of those questions will not really be answered til we get to June.

Bravefaninok

February 11th, 2012
7:19 pm

What are the odds that Reyes plays over 100 games this year?

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 11th, 2012
7:22 pm

DiamondbackMac. There’s a name I haven’t seen in a long while.

DiamondbackMac

February 11th, 2012
7:30 pm

Brian – I have been otherwise occupied. No, that doesn’t mean that I’ve been in jail.

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
7:57 pm

Bravo_F 52
I’ll say J-hey 37 317 383 and Jair 22

I’m confused on these numbers is he saying J-hey will hit 37 home runs with 317 RBI’s and 383 runs and Jair gets 22 wins?

David O'Brien

February 11th, 2012
7:59 pm

Playoffs: Going into camp, I’d say leading backup CF/fifth OF candidaters are Constanza and offseason pickup Luis Durango (a similar-type speedster with a little big-league experience with San Diego).

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
8:09 pm

I think he means that at 37, Heyward will hit .317 with 383 homeruns (he’s apparently going to get a lot of ABs) and Jair will win 22 Cy Young awards

Lew

February 11th, 2012
8:11 pm

DBack – I saw something, but have been on the go since 4 this morning. I’ll check it out in the morning. Right now, I’m going to bed. I’m old.

Venice Jim

February 11th, 2012
8:12 pm

Wow – RIP Whitney…

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
8:27 pm

Wow – RIP Whitney…

I know….I mean, I know we haven’t heard much from her recently, but in the 90’s she was a huge as anybody.

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
8:30 pm

I can’t wait for Tomahawkin’s thoughts

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
8:39 pm

This Blows

Whitney Houston Died!

Her Music Will Live On Forever!

She is a Legend!

Venice Jim

February 11th, 2012
8:42 pm

I just do not possess the poetic skill which is sometimes required to put things in their proper perspective…

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
8:44 pm

@jeffrey d

I Will be posting My Favorite Whitney Houston Songs on the blog Tomorrow, Watch

I felt like I just lost a Girlfriend…Im Down to near tears, and this sucks because Imma bout to go to the bar….

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
8:48 pm

Where Is The Love D.O.B.?

I need a Shoulder!

That old Whitney Houston Still Goes Hard… Her Music like Mariah, Sade, Janet Jackson, and Vanessa Williams is Poetry!

kenhotlanta

February 11th, 2012
8:59 pm

Whitney was the top female singer in the 80’s and early 90’s and had an incredible voice. She left some great songs that will live forever.

interested bystanderss

February 11th, 2012
9:14 pm

I will always love you

RHR

February 11th, 2012
9:14 pm

What’s up fine folks?

How delightful to see so many blog postings today – if we stand on our tiptoes we can see baseball season. And that makes me happy.

Whitney was my generation’s version of Beyonce. Beautiful, voice of an angel, she was everywhere in the late 80’s early 90’s. She had a squeaky clean image, was a shocker when she married Bobby Brown then in later years we saw what they had in common. Saw pics of her out on the town and looking fubar just the other day. A sad end to what once was a charmed life.

RHR

February 11th, 2012
9:16 pm

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
8:30 pm

I can’t wait for Tomahawkin’s thoughts

Tomahawkin

February 11th, 2012
8:39 pm

This Blows

Whitney Houston Died!

Her Music Will Live On Forever!

She is a Legend!

:lol: At least you didn’t have to wait long!

Venice Jim

February 11th, 2012
9:27 pm

RHR – I did not do a very good job over the past few months, when people asked where you were hiding, of pointing out that you were following the Broncos around the country…

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
9:29 pm

At least you didn’t have to wait long!

Just what I was thinking. And welcome back :)

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
9:32 pm

This is funny to you?

RHR

February 11th, 2012
9:36 pm

Good job, Jim. I like to maintain a certain air of mystery. :lol:

Thanks, jeffrey d. I feel like I don’t know anything my Braves have done this off-season. Oh wait…

Soph

February 11th, 2012
9:37 pm

RHR sighting!

Hurry up, baseball.

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
9:37 pm

Hi RHR! Long time no see :)

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
9:40 pm

Yes, someone dying is funny :roll:

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
9:42 pm

Thanks for the new blog, DOB. It occurs to me that as much as we fans dislike Scott Boras as an agent, is it remotely possible that Tommy changing to him might have helped Tommy recognize he needed to make the change in his mechanics? I don’t know if it did or not. Just a thought. And if that change helps Tommy stay healthy and pitch well throughout the season (and maybe cut down on the steals as a bonus), I don’t care where it came from. What’s good for Tommy is good for the Braves!

Soph

February 11th, 2012
9:43 pm

They’re going to drastically change the Grammy’s tomorrow to honor Whitney according to what they’re saying on the news.

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
9:44 pm

jeffrey – you’re not funny, even when you try to be! Save the rolling eyes for yourself!

Soph

February 11th, 2012
9:46 pm

Um, did I miss something?

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
9:47 pm

Soph-

I think I missed it too… :?:

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
9:48 pm

Untrue. I’m hilarious

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
9:50 pm

:roll: :roll: roll: :roll: :roll: roll: :roll: :roll: roll:

Jake W.

February 11th, 2012
9:50 pm

Wow, sad news on Whitney. Lost a real singer and a real talent today. What a voice.

jeffrey d

February 11th, 2012
9:51 pm

Well, 2/3 of them worked. I guess the other 3 are under MIBravesFan’s payroll

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
9:51 pm

So it was just Tomahawkin’s reacting to it that was funny?

Soph

February 11th, 2012
9:51 pm

I guess you’re good for an occasional laugh, doo doo.

Soph

February 11th, 2012
9:53 pm

Pretty sure they were just joking about how jeffrey mentioned he was waiting for T’hawkin’s reaction and T’hawkin happened to comment right after it. How is that so offensive?

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
9:53 pm

I don’t think anyone was saying Tomahawkin’s post was funny. Just that he happened to post it right after jeffrey said he was curious to see what his thoughts were. That’s all.

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
9:55 pm

Fine. End of it then.

Soph

February 11th, 2012
9:56 pm

Okee dokee then.

interested bystanderss

February 11th, 2012
9:57 pm

He is probably very shook

Soph

February 11th, 2012
9:57 pm

Just a tad bit cold outside tonight.

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
9:59 pm

Not for MSU fans. Or should I not bring that up?

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
10:01 pm

“interested bystanderss

February 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
He is probably very shook”

Please tell me you’re not equating jeffrey d to JHey?!

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:05 pm

sensitive group tonight…

Soph

February 11th, 2012
10:08 pm

Hi tiger, let’s talk about bouncy ball.

Soph

February 11th, 2012
10:09 pm

nolieeeeee, you too. Where are you?

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
10:10 pm

nolie likes bouncy ball better than pointy ball?

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:12 pm

we hate them equally

McFann O O o

February 11th, 2012
10:18 pm

Soph Just a tad bit cold outside tonight.

Yeah, just a little…

Hi, RHR! Still one of my favorite Blog names of all time… :)

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
10:19 pm

Spring training cannot get here fast enough!

BFChris27

February 11th, 2012
10:21 pm

R.I.P – Whitney Houston

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
10:23 pm

You’re a good person, Chris27. You and Jake W are the only ones here who have actually said anything like that.

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
10:24 pm

VJ actually said the same thing- was the first to post it.

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
10:27 pm

And Tomahawkin’ . . . . and maybe people whose posts I didn’t read before I commented . . . .

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:29 pm

Enter your comments here

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:30 pm

one of my deepest posts…although I repeat it occasionally

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
10:31 pm

I almost never post without reading the blog. I’m reminded why. I’m sorry. (And Jeffrey – I have no one on payroll – trust me!)

Patio Daddio

February 11th, 2012
10:32 pm

Punta Gorda has an airport

Patio Daddio

February 11th, 2012
10:34 pm

tiger297 mentioned Punta Gorda as a meeting place and now I know why, airport

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
10:35 pm

Punta Gorda is too far away! Would take over 3 days to drive there :) Vegas is much closer

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:39 pm

patio – yep punta gorda does have an airport…one of many in the country

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
10:39 pm

Vegas has an airport…

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:40 pm

cab – so ur saying you don’t want to meet the florida crew…I’m guessing some of them would find the trek to vegas difficult

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
10:41 pm

tiger-

I’d love to meet the Florida crew…but I don’t like to fly :D (and it IS a bit pricey for us to fly out there…)

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:44 pm

flights to atlanta aren’t that expensive and I can fly you the rest of the way….

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
10:45 pm

I do not fly in small planes. Has noting to do with you or your ability…just don’t do it :)

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
10:47 pm

And flights to Atlanta would cost us upwards of $650 in April…not super cheap

tdmorgan

February 11th, 2012
10:48 pm

I think that with most pitchers who develop the under rotator cuff tear that are able to pitch through it are able to because they don’t use so much upper body to pitch. I think with Hanson, that was probably one of the reasons that it put so much pressure on his shoulder. It’s smart for him to work on his mechanics now before he has too much damage to his body. If this change turns out well it could be the thing that propels him into the true upper echelon of pitchers in the NL and makes him the true No. 1 on our pitching staff.

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
10:52 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYzlVDlE72w

I think this was a bit better than Beyonce

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:54 pm

$350 to orlando or fort myers…that is close enough

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
10:54 pm

tiger-

that’s per person. There are 2 of us (that’s what the ATL price reflects)- that’s $700 for just airfare…

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
10:56 pm

I’ll bet nolie will let you use the doghouse for a couple nights :)

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
10:57 pm

Dude. I don’t want to crash in the doghouse! There’s a reason I stick people like nolie in there…

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
11:01 pm

regardless march 24th is my only free weekend for a while and I think I’m going fishing at jekyll island

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
11:03 pm

March is not the best month for us. If we are going to head out that way, we will do it when the Braves are in town :) March is also when we are headed to Vegas for my birthday :D

ncgary

February 11th, 2012
11:05 pm

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
11:06 pm

awesome…maybe we should take mcfann to vegas for her 21st?

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
11:07 pm

awesome…maybe we should take mcfann to vegas for her 21st?

YES!!!!!

Bravo_F 52

February 11th, 2012
11:07 pm

Batting average,on base % read Ray’y post directly above mine dont be confused

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
11:10 pm

“ncgary

February 11th, 2012
11:05 pm
go braves”

It seems like an afterthought sometimes, doesn’t it? :)

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
11:10 pm

ok that is what I thought the 2nd two were what was the 37?

Bravo_F 52

February 11th, 2012
11:11 pm

Patio Daddio

February 11th, 2012
11:14 pm

Old people live in St Pete. Their parents live in Punta Gorda

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
11:14 pm

wow…that might be a bit aggresive there…top 6 in MLB in HR’s?

Bravo_F 52

February 11th, 2012
11:19 pm

I was responding to Ray he was asking people to prognosticate who would be tops in those three stats I took a guess if J hey can drive the ball this year the way he grounded out to 2nd last year i think can can rack up the homers but I’ve been a braves “homer” for over 43 years

ncgary

February 11th, 2012
11:20 pm

then the hipsters must be in clearwater then

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
11:22 pm

nothing wrong with that at all…wouldn’t surprise me to see him as our #2HR guy but more likely low 30’s to high 20’s. but I’ll take 37 any day of the week

Bravo_F 52

February 11th, 2012
11:23 pm

If he goes back to taking bad picthes and driving “his”pitch he can do it he might not but he could anything is possible and he’s got talent but maybe he hits 40 is the ball juiced this year

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
11:29 pm

Spring training cannot get here fast enough! (I’m going to say this every day until it does!)

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
11:33 pm

Hang in there, girl! 8 days to go :D

MIBravesFan

February 11th, 2012
11:36 pm

Thanks cabravesfan! :)

Venice Jim

February 11th, 2012
11:39 pm

Once you reach a certain age, there seems to be little reason to rush along the days, which go by quickly enough on their own…

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
11:40 pm

VJ – yes that darn mathmatical theory at work again…

steve

February 11th, 2012
11:50 pm

Frank Wren does not heed;
What the Braves do need;
Because they have no hitter;
The fans are in a dither;
For a new GM they do plead.

cabravesfan

February 11th, 2012
11:54 pm

So would people be happier with a new GM that mortgaged the future of the team for aging “stars” that do nothing to guarantee a world series or even more wins? (see Yankees, New York OR Phillies, Philadelphia) How is that better than where the team currently is? All that would do is cause people to relive the Tex trade and complain about it for years to come.

nolie

February 11th, 2012
11:55 pm

let ‘em plead. and let them eat cake while they’re at it….

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
11:57 pm

don’t feed the trolls

tiger297

February 11th, 2012
11:59 pm

cake hell I just want the oldest to come home so I can have a single malt b4 bed

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:02 am

sorry tiger I didn’t know any quotes showing indifference and disdain that involved single malt scotch……

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:05 am

Hello everyone! Whitney Houston will be missed,and her voice will be missed too. Nats will not finish ahead of the Braves,and niether will the Fish.All you whinners are truely pathetic,and shouldn’t be Braves Fans……..

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:06 am

Where are trolls? And wnat’s wrong with blended scotch? :)

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:07 am

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:08 am

lol at myself!

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:09 am

Braves will be in the Play-Offs! Bank on It!!!!!!!!!!Play-Offs Here we come Baby!!!!!!!!

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:11 am

less cachet MiBF

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:11 am

MIBravesFan-Sad about Whitney.She had one heck of a voice,and very talented.

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:11 am

Hi Ward! You’re not a bad guy. I’m sorry if I’ve been unkind at times.

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:12 am

nolie-The World lost a great artist.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:12 am

Braves will play the season with eclat

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:12 am

MIBravesFan- It’s all cool………

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:13 am

yes sad to hear ward, RIP Ms Houston

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:13 am

“nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:11 am
less cachet MiBF”

I know

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:14 am

I knew that you knew ;)

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:14 am

I’m excited to see three players around 22 years of age,and the team getting younger,and more talented. Looking forward to seeing our young Braves.

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
12:14 am

wait its easier to catch blended scotch? I havent had problems catching either.

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
12:15 am

In what kind of limerick-challenged world does hitter rhyme with dither?

Not to mention the 5-5-7-7-8 pattern, which is neither iambic or trochaic…

My Korean student who has been here for four months is much more competent at structuring verses…

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:15 am

nolie – . . . . .

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:18 am

Koreans are smart, many Braves fans are not…oops that don’t rhyme either.
say, this stuff is harder than it looks

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:19 am

I’m not spelling anything right :)

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
12:20 am

you got nolie right thats what counts

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:22 am

I see you have your priorities right tiger

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:23 am

VJ- Got My Eli Manning Shirt Today,and My Super Hat,and shirt,should come in by next week some time.

steve

February 12th, 2012
12:23 am

It is hilarious that people are commenting on my poor limericks. I spend about thirty seconds thinking about them before I write them. I care little about the pattern ( I know it shows). If I can get someone to respond I have accomplished my purpose.

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
12:25 am

your purpose is to get ridiculed? you can aim higher than that

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
12:26 am

I was kind enough to respond to your incompetence with structure so as not to comment on what a total moron you are…

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:26 am

Congrats again Ward! And VJ!

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:27 am

negative attention is better than no attention at all tiger, it is the basis for most teenager/busy parents brouhahas. something to look forward too

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:29 am

MIBravesFan-Thanks,and Plan on ordering some Braves gear next month.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:31 am

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
12:32 am

Unreal. A breaker goes shi**y and knocks out the power on the coldest night I can remember in a while. Sometimes I scratch my head and wonder if someody loves playing tricks on me.

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
12:34 am

Time to go get some rest so I can have enough energy to walk out to get the paper in the morning – good night, all!

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:35 am

you been working toooo hard the last coupla days Jim, good night

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:36 am

I hope you don’t freeze b4 you get the breaker fixed Brian, snuggle up with the better half

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
12:38 am

And I have an entire hour of work tomorrow…not sure how I do it…

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:40 am

Honest to . . . . I’m inclined to let U2 loose on the blog! :)

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
12:41 am

She’s definitely helping and so is my dog at my feet, nolie. Thanks

I don’t know what’s worse … the dark and cold, or all the little noises I’m hearing with it being so quiet. We always sleep with a fan. Oh well, I always think things could be a lot worse and they could be.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
12:44 am

steve

February 12th, 2012
12:46 am

If I performed like Frank;
If

If I performed like Frank;
A new job I would take;
While the Braves sent a letter;
Other teams got better;
No moves did the GM make.

Braves sent a

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
12:47 am

Huh nolie? Sorry, I don’t know if that last one was to me or not.

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:50 am

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
12:50 am

Glad you can understand that steve. I sure as f*- don’t.

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:52 am

nolie- Have a good one! Once again my deepest feelings to Whitney Houston.She will be missed,and peace my friends……..

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
12:52 am

yeah we had the opposite at my house…the I don’t want any attention/leave me alone

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:52 am

Stand and listen – the greatest version of our national anathem ever — http://music.yahoo.com/videos/WhitneyHouston/The-Star-Spangled-Banner–2153890

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
12:55 am

She was Beyonce? Really?!!!!

Ward

February 12th, 2012
12:56 am

Before I go my favorite song from Whitney is “One Moment In Time”,Talk tomorrow…..

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
1:00 am

Ward – great song!

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
1:05 am

gotta say i met whitney and bobby brown twice at chopstix. sean cash the bartender their will confirm it.

she was very nice. loved the white russians.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
1:09 am

MIBravesFan: I have been a huge music fan since I was a kid in the 50’s, plus I was in the music business for 30+ years, and my all-time favorite song is “New Years Day” by U2. I usually listen to it every night before I go to bed, it always puts me in a good mood.

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
1:14 am

when its sleepy time down south…….

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
1:23 am

chopstix was their place.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
1:36 am

Hey uga: keeping warm? Looks like Hines Ward may be done, the Steelers are acting like they don’t want him back and he said he doesn’t want to play anywhere else. He had a lot better career than anyone could have expected, IMHO.

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
1:44 am

Good night, and take care everyone!

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
1:56 am

ken, watched hines play qb in the peach bowl a couple of years ago against virginia.

hines, damn good dawg.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:02 am

dawgs, take care of their own. hines is in their. we take care of our players. ask leon farmer and georgia crown.

don lierburn. the dawgs nation takes care of their players.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:07 am

georgia letterman will never want for anything. they will always be always be taken care of.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:10 am

got a few sitting on my trading desk. caldwell hall. dawgs know that place.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
2:11 am

That’s true, uga, I just wish the knuckleheads would realize that before they do those stupid things that gets them in trouble and hurts our depth.

David O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
2:17 am

MIBravesFan: I’ll go with Marvin’s performance of the anthem at NBA All-Star Game as best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRvVzaQ6i8A

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:18 am

ken, do you remember peaches? the old record store on memorial drive?

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:22 am

dob, give me the replacements.

please tell me TIIM is still a great album.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:28 am

paul westerburg, when sober was a great front front man. much like the the best front man in history, fred mercury.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:30 am

bono, fred mercury, and who?

bruce is obvious

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:34 am

not a huge queen fan but gotta give fred his due. awesome front guy. awesome voice,

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
2:38 am

uga: Yes I loved Peach’s, they were on Peachtree or West Peactree also. I was managing The Record Bar stores in THE ATL and our version of Peace’s was Tracks, and there were Turtles big stores, too. Those large stores were fun to run and merchandise and sold a lot of records and tapes. Plus they were great places to pick up chicks as this was before the aids scare. It was the best job I ever had and provided the most fun. I have nothing but good memories of those days and I saw some great concerts.

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
2:43 am

DOB – very, very good! Not better, but very good!

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:46 am

ken,

turtles was where i bought the kiss solo albums. cant make this up.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
2:52 am

for those that dont reacall or are not from the mall generation, the record bar in northlake mall was cool.

right next to spencer’s.

they had that cool poster of farrah fawcett.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
2:55 am

Those KISS solo albums were a huge success…I thought the album by Ace was the best, it still sounds pretty good.
I don’t understand why Queen don’t hire Adam Lambert to sing instead of Paul Rodgers…Rodgers is Bad Company and Free, his voice just doesn’t fit Queen, whereas Lambert’s would be perfect.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
3:00 am

ken, eigtht track tapes, rush. and kiss. bringing wayy and i mean way back.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
3:04 am

ken, remember triumph?

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
3:05 am

I have no idea why I’m so attached to “Darkness On The Edge of Town” – I just am. It has some great songs.

MIBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
3:10 am

I really am calling it a night. And I always mean it when I say take care everyone.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
3:11 am

I love Triumph, Krokus, Budgie, Foghat, Savoy Brown, 10 Years After, Deep Purple, and The Doobie Brothers.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
3:15 am

ken. great stufff.

checking out for the night. could go on but, i will leave it up to your new friend ward.

uga-brave

February 12th, 2012
3:17 am

one last really good dunhill.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
3:23 am

Goodnight, uga, I will see you tomorrow. Stay warm, my friend.

rusoblind

February 12th, 2012
4:34 am

“Pitchers and catchers report soon”

Five words I’ve been waiting months to read!

nolie

February 12th, 2012
6:47 am

What? Is it February already??

JD

February 12th, 2012
6:50 am

Enter your comments here

JD

February 12th, 2012
6:52 am

Enter your comments here The first time I saw Hanson pitch I said he would be very fortunate if he did not have major arm problems if he continued to pitch with the style he was using.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
7:04 am

yeah we most all said that , been a popular topic off and on since he was in the minors
he really needed to use more leg drive and it is good to read that he has tried to correct it

kangaroo Court

February 12th, 2012
7:15 am

Great Article on this cold Winter morning. Hanson seems like a great guy and I hope he is in the Braves rotation, for may years to come.
I am excited about the 2012 Braves season!

richbrave

February 12th, 2012
7:31 am

WINTER BALL

AUSTRALIA

PERTH HEAT

1B MATT KENNELLY [.185 BA] 2-6, 1 RBI [2].

Hope some of you enjoyed seeing the game on MLBN yesterday. I only saw the first three innings, then it was off to my youngest grandson’s first birthday party.

Final, HEAT 7 – MELBOURNE ACES 6 in thirteen innings. Former BRAVE ANDY RUSSELL allows the winning run in the bottom of the frame with a wild pitch, runner scores from third. Tough way to end the AUSTRALIAN equivalent to our World Series.

That’s it for the 2011-2012 Fall and Winter Baseball Leagues play. I’ll be back atcha’ with the minor’s reports as the 2012 season’s start up. Until then………..

Enjoy Florida for those of you going to ST. Be sure to check out DOB’s recommendations while there. I’m big on old parks, I guess that’s why I’m mystified as to why BRAVES didn’t think PARKER Field or ‘the DIAMOND’ were grandiose enough for the franchise, but his description of McKECHNIE Field in BRADENTON makes me want to go, eat and enjoy a ball-game the way I remember baseball as a kid. Later.

Lew

February 12th, 2012
9:22 am

Blog broken again or is everyone sleeping last nigt off?

keyLargo

February 12th, 2012
9:25 am

I was reading something else but this fact, which has never ceased to amaze me, was in the article.

On January 27th, 1785 The University of Georgia became the first state chartered university in America. The city of Athens grew up around the University campus and officially became a town in 1806.

And I was totally amazed last month when I found out that a big part of soldiers down time in the Civil War was spent playing baseball. UGA was there 75 years before the Civil War.

[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

Lew

February 12th, 2012
9:33 am

keylargo – We were at UGA when they had their Bi-Centennial. Still have a commemorative Coke Bottle from the Athens bottling plant.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
9:44 am

Good morning everyone. Can’t wait for the Walking Dead tonight!

space monkey

February 12th, 2012
9:44 am

DOB: Thanks for the new blog and for turning me on to the Drive-By Truckers. I find it odd that Keith Law’s rankings make Randall Delgado sound like a scrub. Of Vizcaino, Tehran, and Delgado, Delgado was much more effective than the other two in actual MLB games. Doesn’t actual MLB performance count with scouts?

keyLargo

February 12th, 2012
9:50 am

Lew – did you ever hear or drink any Bloodwine, which was later toned down to Budwine?

It was manufactured in Athens in the 60’s.

By the way, does anyone have an Email for DOB? Will I have to learn how to send my first tweet to contact him? I hope not.

Fed Up Fan

February 12th, 2012
9:53 am

@DOB- How about a writing story about how the Braves absentee ownership tolerates, and even initiates and encourages mediocrity in their front office and coaching staff? (i.e. the inherent lack of accountability of a corporately owned sports team)

If you did write such a story, I’m sure that you would alienate yourself from the Braves, but I’d dare say that you would ingratiate yourself to a multitude of thinking fans out there. And who knows, you might even win a sports writing award in the process.

Lew

February 12th, 2012
9:55 am

Keylargo – Sure did. Even knew on of the university’s painters (I painted dorms as a summer job a couple years) who was fired cause they thought it was a Budweiser.

Lew

February 12th, 2012
9:55 am

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
9:56 am

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Keith Law on the Braves

“They have reaped as little from the draft the past two years as anyone, taking low-ceiling college guys with early picks, staying at or under MLB’s bonus recommendations and having less luck on the international market. It’s telling that the major question on every position-player prospect in their top 10 is whether he’ll hit.”

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
10:01 am

space monkey

Keith Law on Randell Delgado

“He is still projectable with a loose arm, but the upside of his two system-mates hasn’t rubbed off on him. There’s a good enough chance that Delgado ends up in the bullpen because of the lack of a third pitch to drop him a level on these rankings, as he’s more like a No. 3 or a No. 4 in a rotation or a setup man if he goes to the pen.”

Lew

February 12th, 2012
10:02 am

Or, we might think he’s yet another malcontent like you who has no realization that bitching will not change anything except to lose DOB his job.

keyLargo

February 12th, 2012
10:05 am

Thank you Lew.

Lew

February 12th, 2012
10:06 am

keylargo – Anytime.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
10:07 am

Looks like the Pirates are close to bringing in AJ Burnett. I think it would be a pretty solid move for the Pirates. Burnett should improve and be a solid innings eater back in the NL, The Bucc’s will be paying him around 10-12 mil over the last 2 years of the deal.

Ray

February 12th, 2012
10:20 am

For Fed Up and others that do not like the ownership situation. Would you rather have a corporate ownership that allows the Baseball people to do their job, Wren and the scouting department or have a sole ownership that is involved in every decision, hand-cuffs the baseball people from doing their jobs? , Look at the O’s. perfect example on how a single owner spent money on bad free agents against the gm’s wishes. They have gone thru many gm’s. Now they have a weak farm system, doesn’t spend the money, on Another GM and are looking to finish last again. So would you rather have LM or Angelos?

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
10:24 am

I do think the Braves should start drafting more high upside players, and spend a little more in the draft. Keith Law is right about that part of our organization. Heyward and Freeman are really gonna have to be successful cause we have zero impact bats coming up anytime soon.

Ray

February 12th, 2012
10:26 am

I have never been a fan of Burnett. I was pleased when he decided to sign with the Yanks instead of us. Terrific arm but not much up top. He has always been a version of Zambrano to me. Not as volatile but weak mentally.

Ray

February 12th, 2012
10:31 am

I think this year’s draft will be important for the Braves as far as the direction they go. Do they go after another pitcher or do they go after a position player. I believe the Braves go after the best player available no matter what the position. IF that is the case I personally cannot argue with that strategy. I would be curious for someone to go thru the draft in the last 5 yrs and see who the Braves selected and the players that were still available to them that are starting to make an impact.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
10:38 am

Yeah I agree, take one of the best players available, not someone we like and who will be cheaper. Hopefully there will be some high upside bats to decide from. I think we added a good amount of athletic speed prospects, now we need to add some impact bat options.

Ray

February 12th, 2012
10:48 am

Bleacher Report has their mock draft and they have the Braves taking HS pitcher Duane Underwood. The kid is strong. I live in Cobb County where this kid plays hs and have seen him pitch several times including in the summer. He throws in the mid 90’s. This part won’t matter much but the kid is a good athlete and he can rake.

Eric from MO

February 12th, 2012
10:52 am

VA, if nothing else the Pirates will know AJ will be good in 2013. Its a contract year.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
10:52 am

Ray

sounds good. If he’s the best player we should take him.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
10:54 am

Eric

Well I do think he’ll be better out of the AL East. He should be good for 180+ innings and a mid 4.00 ERA.

Tomahawkin

February 12th, 2012
10:59 am

cabravesfan

“I don’t think anyone was saying Tomahawkin’s post was funny. Just that he happened to post it right after jeffrey said he was curious to see what his thoughts were. That’s all.”

Co-Sign!

Jeffrey D and all others on here who know me know that I love that old Whitney as well any old 80’s
R&B

I’m Gonna Post the Top 5 Whitney Houston songs on here in a little bit and I wanna see how D.O.B. Likes them?

He will prolly Clown me and deny it but I’m pretty sure he used to jam to it…? Whitney Houston is a Legend!

Ray

February 12th, 2012
11:02 am

Bleacher Report also predicts the Braves to finish with 84 wins. They say the Braves will have to rely too much on the young pitchers, JT, Beachy, Minor and Delgado. They also said the Braves have to be concerned about a sophomore slump by Freddie and hope that Jhay bounces back. They turn around and say the Marlins will win 93 if everything goes right. Who the heck wrote this, one of the naysayers on here? Doom and gloom for the Braves and predicting everything will go right for the fish and they will win 93. Now that some top notch analysis.

Tomahawkin

February 12th, 2012
11:07 am

Top 5 Whitney Houston Songs

-Greatest Love of All
-Im Your Baby Tonight
-I Wanna Dance With Somebody
-I will Always love You
-How will I know…

And It goes on…

And a Honorable mention to Whitney’s “Something in Common” I love that song…

R.I.P. Whitney

Tomahawkin

February 12th, 2012
11:12 am

@Ray

I agree on that analysis…because most people on here don’t consider ijuries and slumps, etc…when thy make their predictions

An injury free braves team will win 91-94 games but if we have nasty injuries or if 1-2 of our young pitchers have slumps then this is an 85 win team…our offense has a lot of question marks that most peole on here won’t acknowledge…not to mention if a big injury happens to Bourne, B-macc, or Fab 5 Freddie then we will be in Panic mode….

Ditto for the bullpen…

Ray

February 12th, 2012
11:21 am

Toma I agree. Braves cannot afford a serious injury to one of their every day players. They may be able to handle an injury to a pitcher because of their depth. My main point was, how some are saying everything will go perfect for the Fish and the Nat’s –no slumps, no injuries but all of those things will happen to the Braves. Look how the Braves struggled last year with slumps and injuries and a horrific meltdown and they still won 89.

RHR

February 12th, 2012
11:25 am

She was Beyonce? Really?!!!!

I’m not sure why you’re having such a BF about this. How old are you? I was a teen when Whitney was at the height of her popularity. I was not insulting Ms. Houston, I was just comparing her to a star today that is as big as she was back in my day. Whitney Houston – young beautiful black female pop star who was at the top of her game when I was young? Check. Beyonce – young beautiful black female pop star who was at the top of her game when my daughter was young? Check.

The way you carried on you would have thought I spat on her corpse. Lighten up. I doubt that she was a close, personal friend of yours.

I don’t understand why, when someone has passed, people try to make them to be more than they were (Ronald Reagan anyone?!). I know a young girl, probably about 22 or so, who, when a young person dies within an 80 mile radius she goes into hysterics and posts endlessly on facebook about how tormented she is that her very close friend, Joe Whatshisname, has died. Even though she has never spoke of or been seen with the person in her life. Maybe they were in the same football stadium one Saturday afternoon or something. Or maybe she just wants some attention. *shrug*

Ray

February 12th, 2012
11:26 am

The question marks we had this time last year was, will Freddie be productive? Will Nate give us anything at the plate and in CF? Our bullpen in late innings are being relied on by a couple of rookies. Many on here predicted the Braves to win around 80-82 games. Our question mark is not about CF nor our bullpen. Without a doubt injuries are a big part of the game and teams have to have a little luck in that department. What kills me is many are predicting the Braves will be the only ones suffering slumps and injuries in the division.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
11:30 am

I think the Marlins are the 4th best team in the East. Durability concerns with Josh Johnson and Jose Reyes are high. You have 2 players who could be a major problem in the clubhouse in Hanley and Big Z. Also Hanley is moving to a new position. Now the offense should be very very good, but they lack depth with there pitching.

I really see the Braves battling to the end with the Phillies for the division. I think we can out hit them and our pitching as a whole can keep up with there 3 Aces. We clearly have the best bullpen and a rotation not too far behind them.

The Nationals are clearly setting themselves up to be a division favorite by next season. Solidfied the rotation with Gio Gonzalez to go along with Strasburg and Zimmermann for years to come. They have a very good collection of position players and a solid farm system to go along with a owner willing to spend.

The Mets will be playing spoiler. They are just a complete mess and will not compete for quite a while.

Tomahawkin

February 12th, 2012
11:35 am

@RHR

Your Last Post was on Point!

I love watching The old Whitney Videos…Beyonce can’t top old Whitney….

The old Videos Remind me of watching old MTV when they played good music videos instead of The Jersey Slore Crap that is on now…

Ray

February 12th, 2012
11:36 am

Braves have to do better than 6-12 against the phils and better than 500 against the nat’s and mets. I don’t see the braves going 12-6 against the marlins. Braves for once are going to have to beat up on the teams they are supposed to beat up on.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:37 am

Braves will fight the Astros for worst team in the NL this season , everybody knows that

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
11:39 am

Speaking of the Marlins tho, I have picked Mike Stanton to lead the NL in Home runs. This guy’s power is just off the charts. Could easily be the best home run hitter until 2020, and I believe he will be.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
11:45 am

nolie

It’s hard to believe that a Major League team could be so bad, and have one of the worst farm systems as well. I feel bad for Astro fans. lol

Ray

February 12th, 2012
11:46 am

nolie, you can’t even say that with a straight face. @Va It will be interesting to see what the new ballpark will do to the Marlins hr production. That ball park especially in the ally’s is massive.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:52 am

just summing up what some folks seem to think Ray…….

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
11:53 am

Don’t be surprised if Vladimir Guerrero, Magglio Ordonez, Xavier Nady, or Manny Ramirez wind up with the Phillies. The Phillies really want to add a righthanded hitter who can pinch hit and occasionally play the outfield. However, they’re extremely close to luxury tax territory.

Mike Gonzalez remains the most high-profile lefty reliever on the market and agent Scott Boras is hoping teams reassess their needs right before camp. The Phillies could be a fit, but they have budget concerns. The Orioles also want to add one more bullpen piece but they might not want to go down that road again.

Ray

February 12th, 2012
11:56 am

nolie, no doubt. I don’t see the Phils signing Manny. It appears its going to come down to the A’s and O’s. I just don’t get the thought process on signing him.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
11:59 am

Me either… I just don’t see Manny being productive. I also see him being a clubhouse problem where ever he goes. Manny will be Manny regardless of his age. He’d probably tell you himself that he is still one of the best hitters in the game today. lol

Bravofan

February 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

Ozzie: Adam Dunn’s woes evident early

ESPNChicago.com | February 10, 2012
It didn’t take long for Ozzie Guillen to know his new free agent slugger Adam Dunn was in store for a rough season.

In fact, the former Chicago White Sox manager didn’t even need to see Dunn in a regular season at-bat to forecast trouble. Sitting in his Scottsdale, Ariz., office on the first day of spring training, Guillen was approached by then-hitting coach Greg Walker, who had just watched a batting practice session with Dunn, Paul Konerko, Carlos Quentin and A.J. Pierzynski.

“He says ‘We have a problem,’ ” Guillen said Friday on “The Waddle & Silvy Show” on ESPN 1000. “I say ‘What? Spring training is only a couple of days [old].’ He says ‘You’ve got to come out and see Adam Dunn’s swing.’ I said ‘Don’t worry about it. We’ve got a month and a half to get ready, go through spring training. Don’t worry about it.’ ”

Guillen, who is entering his first season as Miami Marlins manager, eventually relented and saw Dunn for himself.

“I looked at his swing and I told [bench coach] Joey Cora going home, ‘We’ve got a big problem,’ ” Guillen said.

That early batting practice session turned out to be a precursor for one of the worst major league seasons of all time.

Signed to a four-year, $56 million deal in the offseason, Dunn batted .159 with 177 strikeouts in 415 at-bats. A proven run producer, Dunn had 100 RBIs in six of the previous eight seasons but finished 2011 with 44 RBIs. He had five seasons with 40-plus home runs seasons, but he hit just 11 in 2011.

“It was painful to see Adam Dunn every at-bat and walk behind me [in the dugout] with a long face [after] striking out,” Guillen said.

Guillen said the team and Dunn tried everything to help him snap out of it. Signed to be the primary designated hitter after spending his entire career in the National League, Dunn got more time at first base and the outfield to perhaps prevent him from thinking too much about his at-bats on the bench as the DH. The team brought up pitchers from the minor leagues to throw to him, watched video of his swings. Nothing worked.

“People in Chicago, believe me, he tried everything in his power to get better,” Guillen said. “He just had a bad year. Hopefully he will bounce back.”
Comment on this story

keyLargo

February 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

I love watching The old Whitney Videos…Beyonce can’t top old Whitney….

The old Videos Remind me of watching old MTV when they played good music videos instead of The Jersey Slore Crap that is on now…

Tomahawkin – what you are experiencing is the onset of realization that all generations are inferior to your own. Except my generation of course which you can clearly see. :mrgreen:

Kudzu Wildcat

February 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

I to am looking forward to the MLB season to get started. I am also looking forward to watching the Kansas State Wildcats sticking it to the Jayhawks on Monday night. EMAW!!

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

tiger297 awesome…maybe we should take mcfann to vegas for her 21st?

Whoa, whoa! Where did that come from??…

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
12:52 pm

@KeyLargo

No One Can Beat the De-Generation X

The 80’s Generation Rules! Ya Know? The young cats who grew up on old 80’s MTV, Family Matters, Boy Meets World, Married with Children, Macgyver, etc….

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

“tiger297 awesome…maybe we should take mcfann to vegas for her 21st?”

I will go as well…I’m Turing 21 as well…Shots of Liquid Cocaine will be “On Deck”

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
12:55 pm

I Meant to say, That I’m turning 21 as well (joking)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
1:00 pm

McFann-

It came from our plans to get the bloggers to Vegas for a weekend…tiger decided we’d take you for your 21st instead :D

David O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
1:02 pm

dob, give me the replacements.

please tell me TIM is still a great album. — uga-brave

Tim was, is and will always be a terrific album. And the Replacements’ Let It Be and Pleased To Meet Me are as good or even better.

Brave New World

February 12th, 2012
1:05 pm

I agree with the prediction of 85 wins if Braves underperfrom and 95 wins if everything comes together in 2012. I also think the Phillies have lost some lustre and may be in that same scenario regarding wins in 2012. I think the Marlins will be in the 85 win range, and the Nats between 80-85. The only thing I am very certain of is the Mets will be lucky to win 75 games in 2012, and are clearly the doormat of a very strong division.

David O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
1:07 pm

uga-braves, one more thing about The Replacements. Although Don’t Tell A Soul wasn’t nearly as good an album as earlier stuff, it had some great songs including this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr2-CAW2cfw&feature=related

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
1:10 pm

cabravesfan

Haha! That would be…int’resting…not so sure I’m the Vegas type… ;)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
1:14 pm

McFann-

Lots to do in Vegas that don’t involve drinking or gambling :)

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
1:37 pm

I hope the Grammy’s don’t cut The Allman Brothers segment tonight, or the Beachboys.

DZ

February 12th, 2012
1:39 pm

It’s that time of year again.

Pitchers and catchers report and Frank Wren has still not done anything to address the lack of power on the team.

It must be Spring!

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

February 12th, 2012
1:39 pm

but no good baseball in Vegas….

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

February 12th, 2012
1:41 pm

DOB, what is the latest on Hudson’s return? Is he throwing? Is he reporting with pitchers and catchers? Seems I saw that he is going to be about a month behind. True?

David O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
1:50 pm

DOB, what is the latest on Hudson’s return? Is he throwing? Is he reporting with pitchers and catchers? Seems I saw that he is going to be about a month behind. True?

Too early to know how long he’ll be out. As Roger McDowell said, they want to be cautious so he doesn’t come back too quickly and end up getting hurt again and missing more time as a result. Right now, all they’re saying is that it could be a week or two that he’s behind, or it could be mid-May before he’s back. We’ll know more, I’m sure, after he gets to camp. Yes, he’ll be reporting with other pitchers — at least we haven’t been told otherwise — but it’s not clear when he’ll be ready to throw off the mound.

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
2:03 pm

cabravesfan

I suppose that’s true…is it anywhere near any of the cool National Parks they’ve got out there…?

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
2:08 pm

McFann-

Red Rock Canyon is very close. Never been but it’s supposed to be lovely.

http://www.vegas.com/attractions/outside_lasvegas/redrock.html

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
2:09 pm

cabravesfan

Wow…that’s awesome-looking…

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
2:13 pm

McFann-

Totally your kind of place :) – the strip can be fun too- shows, food, crazy people…

Patio Daddio

February 12th, 2012
2:17 pm

I’m confidant the 2012 Braves team can improve on the power displayed from the 2011 season where they ranked 9th out of 30 teams, in Home Runs, and 3rd in the NL in Home Runs. Considering the poor power seasons a few of the Braves had, 2012 should show higher overall Home Run numbers.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/statistics/team/hitting/league/nl/sort/total_bases/2011

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
2:20 pm

cabravesfan

Hmm…not sure I’m ready for those crazy people yet… ;)

Patio Daddio

February 12th, 2012
2:23 pm

A by-product that will naturally occur if Heyward, Prado, and Bourn have solid years is doubles and triples will increase also.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
2:24 pm

I’ll keep them away from you :D

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
2:27 pm

cabravesfan

Well thanks! :P

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
2:57 pm

Hi, LAdy!

You’re trying to talk McFann into going to Vegas?

I think you’d have a better shot convincing the Rev. Al Sharpton to join the KKK.

ryan

February 12th, 2012
3:06 pm

Just hearing about Braves and spring training gets me excited i hate winter and the cold air ready for April and warmth .

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
3:07 pm

oh mcfann will be there we just have to explain the correct incentives

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
3:07 pm

or identify them

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
3:16 pm

I suppose so, tiger. Maybe you could tell her that McCann is singing at Ceasar’s Palace.

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
3:16 pm

Tom O’Hawke

:lol: Oooooh…You’ve got a way with words, my friend…

Eric from MO

February 12th, 2012
3:16 pm

Tomahawkin-I love watching The old Whitney Videos…Beyonce can’t top old Whitney….

Thats only because you grew up listening to her. I was kind of a betweener for generations on Whitney and Beyonce. Caught Whitney towards the end when she was in and out of rehab and too old to like Beyonce. Personally I think they both suck, but whatever.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
3:18 pm

Tom-

Oh, it will happen! :)

(HI!)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
3:19 pm

She’d totally go if we took her to Red Rock!

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
3:19 pm

Tom O’Hawke Maybe you could tell her that McCann is singing at Ceasar’s Palace.

Uuuuuumm…now, I’ve never heard BMac sing, but if someone could get him to do so up on a big stage like that…that might be a good trick in itself… ;)

Caesar’s Palace…That’s where the Partridge Family made their debut!… :P

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
3:25 pm

Can B-Mac sing? I know he can eat

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
3:27 pm

jeffrey d

Very funny, fella!…

:roll:

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
3:28 pm

When McFann finally builds her doghouse, I think I know who the first guest will be. ;)

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
3:28 pm

Is there an actual word for someone who’s allergic? Like a medical term or something? Not hypochondriac, obviously, but something along those lines…?

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
3:30 pm

Tom O’Hawke

Haha! Nah, he might be second or third…I think there are a couple other folks who are slightly ahead… :P

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
3:34 pm

I thought you’d handle those folks after nolie teaches you how to shoot.

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
3:42 pm

Tom O’Hawke

Ha! Nah, I’m not out to kill anybody…just show ‘em who’s boss… ;)

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
3:47 pm

I’ll pay for the shooting lessons and buy the ammo, McFann. At least think about it.
You know you want to. (I do…)

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

happy days are here again

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

Tom

February 12th, 2012
4:18 pm

Why are we talking baseball …. the Thrashers season isn’t over yet.

Uh … oops! …………….sorry!

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

Tom O’Hawke

Maybe I could just use my Brother’s BB gun… :P

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

Ya know… I think you’ve got something there, McFann. Big, bothersome blog idiots get a BB to the butt.
I like it!!!

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
4:31 pm

What happened to your hair, jeffrey?

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

I chopped it off…….last June

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
4:37 pm

I noticed you all had beards, jeffrey. Reminds me of ZZ Top – the early years.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
4:38 pm

Projected 25 man roster

CF L Bourn
RF L Heyward
3B S Chipper
2B R Uggla
C L McCann
1B L Freeman
LF R Prado
SS R Pastornicky

C R Ross
1B L Hinske
SS R Wilson
OF R Diaz
OF L Constanza

1. R Hanson
2. R Jurrjens
3. R Hudson
4. R Beachy
5. R Minor

CP R Kimbrel
SU L Venters
RP L EOF
RP R Medlen
RP R Martinez
RP R Vizciano
RP R Varvaro

We have to figure Delgado or Teheran will be in the rotation to start the season if Hudson needs a few more weeks off. Then we have alot of bullpen depth, with Acensio, Fish, Moylan in the mix and not knowing if the Braves want Vizciano in AAA starting. The last bench spot will be between Constanza and Durango. Depending on how much they want a player capable of playing Centerfield on the bench. Bourn will play 150+ games so the need isn’t too great. Drew Sutton could be in the mix as a extra infielder as well.

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
4:38 pm

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

Tom – Dean (the lead singer) introduced us as “White Guys With Facial Hair”

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

L Minor?? I bet that sounds wicked

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

L Minor?? I bet that sounds wicked

Ha! As we were discussing your band, when I saw L Minor, my first thought was, ‘what the hell key is that’?

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

It’s 4 whole steps up from G

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
4:51 pm

Anyway, during that show our drummer had a few too many. Luckily, so did the crowd, so they loved him

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

It’s always good when everyone is in perfect sync.

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

Also in sync was our camera guy. Let’s just say that there were a few songs towards the end that were a little wild

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
5:08 pm

Nice one, jeffrey:P

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
5:09 pm

Tom O’Hawke

I think we’re definitely on to something!…

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
5:10 pm

Once I finish with a few more household chores, I’ll probably get in sync myself. ;)

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
5:10 pm

You mean my video or my killing the blog?

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
5:12 pm

jeffrey

Your killing the Blog…but I’ll check out the video, too… :P

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
5:13 pm

Tom – I’ve got my own in sync fan…you can see her in a couple of the videos. We played at her restaurant a few months ago and me and the drummer stayed for karaoke….me and her sang “Bohemian Rhapsody,” and since, she’s shown up at our shows

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
5:13 pm

Yeah, McFann. We can add that to, Soph’s, bricks for sale post, when an “irritable” comes on board.

“Get the BB gun out”!

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
5:15 pm

McFann – it was only 10 minutes! And the masses were probably just weeping over the wonderful vocals of the video I posted

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
5:15 pm

I’m just chillin watchin The Walking Dead, can’t wait for the new episode tonight. Moms making a big pot of homemade shrimp chowder and chocolate covered strawberries and pineapple for dessert.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
5:16 pm

jeffrey, I think you pointed her out on one of your other videos. It was recently, if I’m not misremembering.

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
5:21 pm

Tom – she kissed me on the cheek and said she loved our Zeppelin cover (we didn’t play any Zeppelin). It was kind of sweet

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
5:23 pm

That’s all fine, jeffrey, as long as she’s not related to John Hinckley.

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
5:25 pm

Tom

Sounds like a plan…

jeffrey d

Hmm…good point…

she kissed me on the cheek and said she loved our Zeppelin cover (we didn’t play any Zeppelin). It was kind of sweet

Aaawwww……

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
5:25 pm

I hope not. I left her with the romantic “I’ll see you in April” line

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
5:31 pm

Yeah, good video! That music at the end rocks…

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
5:33 pm

she wasn”t on the grassy nolie was she

oj sorry that was knoll

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
5:38 pm

headline in mannyville,
manny mad as all get out
braves don’t add any power hitters for the outfield

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
5:43 pm

I never liked the music at the end, but I was outvoted 3-1

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
5:53 pm

jeffrey d

Oops, sorry… :) I mean, the song’s fine without it, too…

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
5:55 pm

I like music at the end too

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
6:12 pm

what happened to the blog
did icarus fly too close to the acropolis?
wax and feathers melting the keyboards
they are hot in greece and the burners don’t turn on til next week.
when it all comes due
will the world turn blue

recycle
rinse
repeat
piece in
peace out

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
6:22 pm

Just realized that the Grammy pre-show (where they give out most of the awards) is streaming – DOB’s guy Steve Earle just performed a song…

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

February 12th, 2012
6:22 pm

DOB, thanks for the update on Hudson. May work to the Brave’s advantage to bring him along slowly as it will give some of the younger guys more “innings” to pitch in Spring Training. Good chance that we open the season with two of the three (Minor, Delgado, or Tehran) on the staff and then further eliminate someone when Huddy is back.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
6:26 pm

Levon Helm just won a Grammy for Best Americana Album “Ramble at the Ryman”.
Great artist (drummer for The Band plus solo work) and actor, he beat cancer about 10 years ago.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
6:28 pm

Why is Paris Hilton at the Grammys??

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
6:28 pm

Apparently censoring not necessary for the pre-show – Foo Fighters dropping several choice phrases…

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
6:29 pm

Professional Groupie?

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
6:30 pm

kenhotlanta-

I should have phrased that better: Why did the Grammys INVITE Paris Hilton??

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
6:34 pm

To “please” all of the nominees? Sorry, I don’t like her at all. ;)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

why are you sorry?

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

DOB’s link to Marvin Gaye doing the National Anthem, reminded me of the precursor of singing it in their own style.

This is a short clip of Jose Feliciano discussing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrY9RVfVkws

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

This is the actual audio from 1968, before the Cardinals/Tigers world series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shpJ-sRUB-8

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
6:36 pm

And if you like far-out renditions of the Anthem, no one did it any more far-out than Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock, 1969. He even reenacted battle scenes on his guitar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyGGG1I-rf8&feature=related

This crowd was very receptive of his effort. Of course, as jeffrey & I discussed earlier, it helps if the crowd is in sync. This may be one of the most in sync crowds in musical history.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
6:36 pm

I thought maybe you liked her and I didn’t want to offend you. It’s too cold to sleep in the dog house tonight. :)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
6:38 pm

kenhotlanta-

Not even a little. I was just surprised to see her, considering she has not even been relevant in the world of fake stars in years…

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
6:40 pm

Great round by Phil Mickelson today – 6 strokes off the lead when the day started, 2 stroke victory…

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
6:41 pm

cab: “she has not even been relevant in the world of fake stars in years”. Thank goodness. (I need to learn how to do italics)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
6:42 pm

kenhotlanta-

Unfortunately, I have the feeling she is like cockroaches and twinkies- long after the apocalypse, she will be roaming the earth, looking for someone to pay attention to her…

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
6:48 pm

kenhotlanta

(w/o spaces) before what you want to italicize

(again, w/o spaces) after

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
6:49 pm

cab: Funny stuff! I can think of a few to add to her “posse”. Maybe Newt can send them to the moon.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
6:49 pm

I hope you understand that, now. :roll:

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
6:50 pm

Tom: Thanks.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
6:51 pm

Someone has to teach me how to get lesser than & greater than on the board, without disappearing. Then I can explain italicizing to ken.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
6:55 pm

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
6:56 pm

put a lower case i in between the <> to start the italics, then put a / and a lower case i in between them to end the italics

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
6:58 pm

OK, now put the “i” in the middle. I spaced it out, thinking that would work.

hmmm (test) before what you want italicized & after

With NO periods! I can’t wait to see what this looks like.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:00 pm

I can put an arsenal of stuff up there, but those little buggers keep disappearing. :)

ccrider

February 12th, 2012
7:00 pm

I plead my case to the jury your honor. I need a ruling.
I come here everyday and I hear my team, the Braves, have almost no chance at making the playoffs.
I see the best catcher in baseball in Brian McCann
I see the runner-up in the Rookie of the year for 2011 in Freedie Freeman
I see the only 2nd Baseman in the history of major lead baseball to hit 30 or more home runs in a season for 5 straight seasons in Dan Uggla and even though he isn’t the top notch fielder I would like, well I remember how bad our former 2nd baseman, Kelly Johnson was! I think that is where I got a nervous twitch, until he was released.
I see a young SS( his name is Tyler) that is said to average on defense, but can steal bases, bunt, hustles, has a great attitude, can move runners over and strikes out very seldom and usually puts the ball in play. Judge, you say my twitch is back. Sorry, I thought I heard someone say how great and neccessary Alex Gonzalez was?
I see a 40 year old Hall of Fame 3B in Chipper Jones, that although he is not what he once was, he was in the top 4 OPS last year in the National League. He has lost a step on defense, but we have a All Star former 2nd baseman(in 2010) that is so versatile that he can give him rest to keep him fresh.
Speaking of that former All Star 2nd Baseman Martin Prado, he was moved to LF(Is there any place he can’t play)
Did I tell you about the CFer we got in a one sided trade last year MIchael Bourn? He has lead all of baseball in stolen bases over the last 3 years and is a Gold Glove Fielder and very good leadoff hitter.
Our RFer , Jason Heyward was the runner-up to the Rookie of the year in 2010 and made the All Star Roster, he is a possible Gold Glove fielder when he gets more mature and a a potential cleanup hitter,Oh I forgot he is only 22 years old like the 1st baseman and the SS.
The pitching staff is anchored by a mid thirty year old, Tim Hudson, that is the very type of guy to teach and lead all the young pitchers and has been an All Star numerous times. The other top pitchers consist of a pitcher, Jair Jurjjens,that was an All Star last year and had the lowest ERA of any starting pitcher in baseball at the time of the All Star Game. He has had injury problems the last two seasons, but he is REALLY good when healthy. He is 25 years old along with the other “OLDER” starting Pitcher, Tommy Hanson, who also is really great when healthy. To round out the starting Rotation is a pitcher, Brandon Beachy, who got Rookie of the year votes and set a franchise record for a rookie pitcher with more strikeouts than any other Rookie Braves pitcher. THe 5th spot will go to one of 4 pitchers, Mike Minor, Julio Teheran, Arrodys Vizcaino and A guy named Delgado who are all highly regarded in and outside of the Braves Organization.
Last but not least is the Bullpen, which is considered by the majority of scribes and experts as the best in baseball.
I admit your Honor, the bench is a little weak. But, we do have the best backup catcher in baseball, a normally top notch LHed pinch Hitter, a Great fielding utility guy that plays 2nd, SS and 3B and one of the OFers will be good defensively with lots of speed. The worst player is a guy who normally tears up Lhed pitching and I am a little worried about him.
I need a ruling your honor. I see a World Series contender, but many others see a fourth place finish in the Braves division.
I await your verdict your honor for you are impartial, fair and Honorable. By the way, if its not out of order, where are you from your honor
PHILADELPHIA? Nevermind, even the blog nutcases are less deluded than Philiies fans!

TennesseePaul

February 12th, 2012
7:00 pm

Thanks for the work DOB

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

Tom-

Not that hard ;) <> <> <>

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:02 pm

I think what my point was, kenhotlanta, that if an idiot like me can learn…

then ANYONE can! ;)

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:07 pm

Do it with an “i”, cabravesfan.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:08 pm

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
7:08 pm

i rule its almost time for pitchers and catchers to report
this case carried over to october
decision to be made in october

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:08 pm

Hey, I should get credit for being able to get the brackets to show up! :D

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

I’ll give you that, cabravesfan. I even tried it with a freakin’ “z” in between. I was gonna say to substitute the “z” with an “i”. But that disappeared too.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:13 pm

It’s because it is code. Anything that gets put between the <> that is related to coding (i.e. the i for italics) will disappear automatically.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:14 pm

I’m actually surprised I got the brackets to show up

TennBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
7:18 pm

Usually not a big fan of watching the Grammy Awards, but I am actually looking forward to seeing Springsteen and believe it or not…Adele. The girl has an amazing voice.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:18 pm

I remember when I first learned how to do that. McFann gave me the link while nolie was giving me instructions. One of the things I read was that you could turn it off. However, I’m too lazy to look that up, right now (or, probably, anytime).

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:19 pm

I like watching the Grammys. It would be even better if I could watch the Grammys without knowing who won first

nolie

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp

KEN, italics and other formatting above.
save link on your ‘puter

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:22 pm

Keep yelling, “NO GRAMMY SPOILERS, DAMNIT!!!!“.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:22 pm

Tom-

I would if I thought it would work…

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:23 pm

Hey, being it got top billing, you never know.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:24 pm

I will try…

NO GRAMMY SPOILERS PLEASE!!!!

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
7:25 pm

She seems to have forgotten that it looks like we might be able to watch online…

nolie

February 12th, 2012
7:26 pm

http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp

from previous page on italics and other formatting.
as many times as I have linked this I would have thought that at least one person would have been smart enough to save the link and repost it when necessary…… :roll:

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
7:26 pm

And even if we can’t, I doubt she’ll avoid Twitter for 4 hours…

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:26 pm

Ummm, you read twitter way more than I do!

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
7:31 pm

V. Jim And even if we can’t, I doubt she’ll avoid Twitter for 4 hours…

cabravesfan Ummm, you read twitter way more than I do!

Ah, the Twitter/FB Users War…a favorite at family get-togethers… :)

Bravefaninok

February 12th, 2012
7:33 pm

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:35 pm

as many times as I have linked this I would have thought that at least one person would have been smart enough to save the link and repost it when necessary…… :roll:

Why should we clutter up our hard drive, nolie, when we have you & McFann here?

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:36 pm

Bravefaninok is speechless

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

nolie and Tom, thanks, I promise to bookmark.

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

Rihanna has a cool accent

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
7:40 pm

She also shares a birthday with Mac :)

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

Tom O’Hawke

Right. That’s what I’m here for…

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

And we all appreciate that, McFann.

We’re still in a quandry as to what I’m here for.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:49 pm

I know, VJ, I left out the “a”. Back off, will ya!!!!!

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
7:52 pm

It’s probably with those sideways “v’s” I keep losing.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

s’posed to get cold tonight, down to 35 or so.brrrr

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find
In the year 3535
Ain’t gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do, and say
Is in the pill you took today

In the year 4545
Ain’t gonna need your teeth, won’t need your eyes
You won’t find a thing to chew
Nobody’s gonna look at you

In the year 5555
Your arms are hanging limp at your sides
Your legs got nothing to do
Some machine is doing that for you

In the year 6565
Ain’t gonna need no husband, won’t need no wife
You’ll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube’ Whoooa

In the year 7510
If God’s a-comin’ he ought to make it by then
Maybe he’ll look around himself and say
Guess it’s time for the Judgement day

In the year 8510
God is gonna shake his mighty head then
He’ll either say I’m pleased where man has been
Or tear it down and start again

In the year 9595
I’m kinda wondering if man is gonna be alive
He’s taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain’t put back nothing

Now it’s been 10,000 years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what he never knew
Now man’s reign is through
But through eternal night
The twinkling of starlight
So very far away
Maybe it’s only yesterday

In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may thrive
In the year 3535
Ain’t gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do or say
Is in the pill you took today ….(fading…)

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

Holy Zagers! (and Evans)…

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

Sorry, for screaming, Tom – can’t help myself sometimes…

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

It was probably 35 degrees in my house last night, nolie. Or it felt like it. So stop your belly aching. :roll:

nolie

February 12th, 2012
8:01 pm

that was just a good excuse to finally get your sweetie in the same bed with you Brian.

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
8:01 pm

And yes, the breaker got fixed fellow bloggers/friends. Thanks for all your concern and well wishes. It sure got us through it all. :roll:

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

You’re funny nolie.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
8:04 pm

I understand, VJ. I do that myself sometimes. You’re forgiven.

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

Tom O’Hawke

Yeah, research is still underway…

nolie

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

I know Brian, but thanx anyway………

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Rolling in the Deep: Isn’t that what we do on the blog most days, especially during in game or when Robert, Coach, Shaun or the one who shall not be named are posting?

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
8:07 pm

Moe Berg

February 12th, 2012
8:07 pm

s’posed to get cold tonight, down to 35 or so.brrrr

After living on Lake Michigan, the 20 degree weather in New Jersey feels quite temperate. As Charles Foster Kane has said, “I warn you, Jedediah, you’re not going to like it in Chicago. The wind comes howling in off the lake and gosh only knows if they ever heard of lobster Newburg.”

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

nolie, if ya got it, flaunt it.

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
8:13 pm

I can’t believe that I’m actually watching an NBA Game

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 12th, 2012
8:15 pm

ncgary, awesome tune. I have far*s that sound better than that.

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
8:18 pm

Anybody here seen my old friend Abraham?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
He freed lotta people but it seems the good they die young
You know I just looked around and he’s gone

Anybody here seen my old friend John?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
He freed lotta people but it seems the good they die young
I just looked around and he’s gone

Anybody here seen my old friend Martin?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
He freed lotta people but it seems the good they die young
I just looked around and he’s gone

Didn’t you love the things that they stood for?
Didn’t they try to find some good for you and me?
And we’ll be free
Some day soon, it’s gonna be one day

Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
I thought I saw him walkin’ up over the hill
With Abraham, Martin, and John

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULOlbZdaiHU

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

Glad that Hanson seems to be right so far, he is a great young pitcher.

What can he do if healthy???? We really do not know but the sky is the limit.

A CY Young award maybe…He should have had 15 plus wins in 2010, but pitched in tough luck.

Lets enjoy him as long as the team has control, in time he will have to be paid. I mean really get paid by one of them big market teams. Won’t hold it aganst him.

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
8:22 pm

I Hope Soph Is Not Watching The Hawks Game?

We are getting Clowned on National TV Again!

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
8:24 pm

@Disgusted

Big Red (Hanson) as well as Double J (Jurrgens) would both have better career W-L Records if they both had better run support…

nolie

February 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

Turner Classisc with a buncha musicals on the next 10 hours or so including On The Town right now……

nolie

February 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?…Gary

he’ll be managing against Fredi in the Braves Futures Game soon

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
8:28 pm

if you remember the 60’s you weren’t really there

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
8:31 pm

This hawks game bores me…

Bring on S. Training…

I wish they did Sunday Night S. Training games…

The NBA is a Joke…

nolie

February 12th, 2012
8:32 pm

I remember the first half of the 60s pretty well…….

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

thawk
niekro might a won 500 games if he’d pitched for other teams his whole career

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
8:36 pm

Regarding the Hawks game…

I just Turned it off…

Time to watch Lethal Weapon, Now thats a Classic!

interested bystanderss

February 12th, 2012
8:38 pm

Ncgary 755 deep. Makes you realize just how small mankind is in a very big world. And just being insignificant and the mortality is eminent

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
8:38 pm

@NCGary…

I’m too young to have seen Niekro pitch…ditto for Dale Murphy and Bob Horner….

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

I don’t remember the ’60s…

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

watched lethal weapons earlier too
guess thats why i got all nostalgic

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
8:42 pm

when did murphy pitch?

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
8:45 pm

I don’t think Horner did either, tiger.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
8:47 pm

I’d rather be blue thinking of you
I’d rather be blue over you
Than be happy with somebody else
I’m crazy about’cha, without’cha
For you I’m strong.
I can’t do without’cha
Howcha magoucha?
Don’t stay too long.
I need a little ah, little ooh, little oh,
And I’m knocking on wood.
Ah, honey hurry up, hurry up, hurry up
It’s so hard to be good

I’d rather be blue thinking of you
I’d rather be blue over you
Than be happy with somebody else
Will I be good? Will I be bad?
Don’t be a fool, you fool.
My little flat, I’m turning that
Into a Sunday school
While you’re away, I’m here to say
There’ll be no iceman there.
Singin’ the blues I’m gonna use
Nothin’ but Frigidaire.
I’d rather be blue thinking of you
I’d rather be blue over you
Than be happy with somebody else
Blue over you, I’d rather be blue over you
Than be hap-hap-hap-happy
With somebody else.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
8:48 pm

they don’t write lyrics like that anymore……..

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
8:49 pm

tom-didn’t want to pile on quite that much :D

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
8:50 pm

I don’t remember the 60’s OR the 70’s…sorry ;)

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

I don’t even remember the 80’s!!…

:P

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

They’re coming to take me away, ha-haaa,
They’re coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the happy home. With trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they’re
coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!

I cooked your food, I cleaned your house, and this is how you pay me back
for all my kind unselfish loving deeds.. Huh??
Well you just wait, they’ll find you yet and when they do they’ll put you
in the ASPCA, you mangy mutt!!! And…

They’re coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They’re coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I’ll be happy
to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they’re coming
to take me away, ha-haaa!!!
To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they’re
coming to take me away, ha-haa!!!
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time… (fade out)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

wow…haven’t heard THAT in ages…used to sing it with my friend when I was in elementary school ;)

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

nolie: yeah, not much memory from ‘67 to about ‘83. I was told I had a great time.

Ward

February 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

Hello everyone! Thought I would drop in for a few. Check out the article by Talking Chop on SI Sports Illustrated. The article is a pretty good one on Beachy,and the Young Arms.Been watching The Waklking Dead,and going to check out The Grammys in just a few minutes. Back later,and peace…..

McFann O O o

February 12th, 2012
8:58 pm

OK, I’ve heard that song…or part of it…somewhere…

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
8:58 pm

Holy Doctor Demento, Batman!

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
8:58 pm

Wow, Tim Riggins from Friday Night Lights is starring in that John Carter movie. Well done.

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
9:00 pm

The Foo Fighters would have also been great in the 60s, 70s, or 80s.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
9:01 pm

Once I get in sync, you just never know what I’m gonna come with.

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
9:01 pm

From DOB twitter (see if he puts it up here as well)

never won a grammy: led zeppelin, beach boys, the who, jim hendrix, the kinks, bob marley, grateful dead, queen, chuck berry

won a grammy: baja men, hootie, milli vanilli, michael bolton, britney spears, all-4-one, nelly

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

I cant Believe that Rhianna is back with That A—-Hole Chris Brown…

That is just Flat out dumb!

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

@D.O.B.

Nelly, Milli Vanilli and All 4 One is some Good Shyt

As well as my Man LL

That old LL Cool J still goes Hard!

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

tiger – those were retweets from DOB…

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

He’s good on NCIS:LA, T-Hawkin.

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

what would woodstock been like
if there werent a country joe
and i think im a fixing to die rag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zdH09mWVF8

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

Am I the only one who can’t stand Ryan Seachess?

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
9:19 pm

vj – yes they were

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
9:20 pm

notice I didn’t say DOB’s tweets I said from DOB’s twitter –

I figure most of the folks on here not following him/not on twitter likely won’t know the difference

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
9:21 pm

T-

You know Milli Vanilli didn’t actually sing, right? :)

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
9:22 pm

Reflex in the sky
Warn you you’re gonna die
Storm coming, you better hide
From the atomic tide
Flashes in the sky
Turns houses into sties
Turns people into clay
Radiation minds decay

Robot minds of robot slaves
Lead men to atomic graves
Plastic flowers melt in sun
Fading moon falls upon
Dying world of radiation
Victims of mad frustration
Burning glow of obscene fire
Like electric funeral pyre
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/black+sabbath/electric+funeral_20232623.html ]
Buildings crashing down
To Earth’s cracking ground
Rivers turn to wood
Eyes melt into blood

Earth lies in death bed
Clouds cry for the dead
Terrifying rain
Ease the burning pain

Electric Funeral
Electric Funeral
Electric Funeral
Electric Funeral

And so in the sky
Shines the electric eye
Supernatural king
Takes Earth under his wing
Heaven’s golden chorus sings
Hell’s angels flap their wings
Evil souls fall to Hell
Ever trapped in burning cells!

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
9:24 pm

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
9:27 pm

vj – the intent of that first response was to say – yes they were retweets as opposed to what I put which I think came across making me sound like a bit of a tool

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
9:31 pm

ncgary seems to be on an Armageddon-type theme, tonight, with his lyrics.

Maybe he’s part Mayan.

Kat

February 12th, 2012
9:35 pm

Anyone who has seen the Foo Fighters this year at a concert has actually heard the guys of Dave Grohl’s speech which was cut off by during the Grammy’s. He spoke about not using computers and the importance of the craft of playing an instrument.

Kat

February 12th, 2012
9:36 pm

*guts not guys

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

nah just one ozzie rambler there

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

austerity its nots whats for dinner
its wheres my dinner

kenhotlanta

February 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Kat: I’m very glad for the Foo Fighters, they deserve that award.

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

I felt the earth on Monday
It moved beneath my feet
In the form of a morning paper
Laid out for me to see
I saw his face in the corner picture
I recognized the name
Could not stop staring at the
Face I’d never see again

It’s a shame to awake, in a world of pain
What does it mean when war has taken over?
It’s the same every day in a hell man-made
What can be saved, and who will be left to hold her?

The whole world…
World Over…
Yeah, it’s a world wide suicide

The whole world…
World Over
It’s a world wide suicide

Medals on a wooden mantle
Next to a handsome face
That the president took for granted
Writing checks that others pay
And in all the madness
Thought becomes numb and naive
So much to talk about and
Nothing for them to say

It’s the same everyday and the wave won’t break
Tell you to pray, while the devil’s on their shoulder
Laying claim to the take that soldiers save
Tell them to quit it, the truth’s already out there

The whole world…
World Over…
Yeah, it’s a world wide suicide

The whole world…
World Over…
It’s a world wide suicide

Looking in the eyes of the fallen
You got to know there is another, another, another, another, another…
Way

It’s a shame to awake,in a world aflame
What does it mean when war has taken over?
It’s the same everyday and the wave won’t break
Tell you to pray, while the devil’s on their shoulder

The whole world…
World Over…
It’s a world wide suicide

The whole world…
World Over…
It’s a world wide suicide

The whole world…
World Over…
It’s a world wide suicide

The whole world…
World Over…
It’s a world wide suicide

Couch Tater

February 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

I hope the Beach Boys don’t wear speedos to the beach.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

ncgary

Here’s one of the first songs, that I know of, to have that kind of theme. It still works today – 47 years later!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExH7h9Lk5HY&feature=related

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

what would the world have been like if they had used thoracium instead of uranium.
they both produce the same amount of energy, one hardly leaves a residue, the other destroys us all

Couch Tater

February 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

…it would send bad vibrations.

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
9:54 pm

Foo Fighters is some good shyt

I’m really suprised that they get no love on here?

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
9:55 pm

I like the Foo Fighters…

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
9:59 pm

Kat

“Anyone who has seen the Foo Fighters this year at a concert has actually heard the guys of Dave Grohl’s speech which was cut off by during the Grammy’s. He spoke about not using computers and the importance of the craft of playing an instrument.”

Co-Sign….

I hope all the Dumb Ass artists of todays music were listening….Especially that As$h0le Chris Brown?

VaBravesFan

February 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

The Walking Dead was really good tonight

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
10:01 pm

I like refrigeration

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
10:04 pm

He spoke about not using computers and the importance of the craft of playing an instrument

Co-Sign! Bank on It! Other Tomahawkin phrases!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2k_4VDD-Uw&feature=context&context=C33df2dcADOEgsToPDskJbOuIW4VcJtgCVQYgcWVP9

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
10:07 pm

watching vegas strip on tru…hope mcfann isn’t might have a difficult time convincing her

Kat

February 12th, 2012
10:08 pm

Adele proves you don’t need a voice over when performing at the Grammy’s. Katy Perry, Rihanna etc need to take note.

Ward

February 12th, 2012
10:08 pm

The Walking Dead was really good,and the search for the missing girl is finally over. Thought it would never end.The new episode was much better too,and now will have to wait for the next one.

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
10:09 pm

hope mcfann isn’t might have a difficult time convincing her

Why? Are they doing a documentary on buffets starring Brian McCann?

Kat

February 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

Tomahawkin.. when the Foo’s new album came out there was a lot of love on here (blog) for them. Wasting Light is great.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

I’m wondering if I wear long, fake eyelashes I might look more attractive. I tried bushy, fake eyebrows – but everyone called me, Groucho.

jeffrey d

February 12th, 2012
10:13 pm

Couldn’t hurt

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
10:13 pm

Tom-

Depends on what the lashes look like. ;)

Ward

February 12th, 2012
10:17 pm

Tom-could always dress up like Boy George………A little humor……..

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

cabravesfan, I was alluding to Adele’s. But you won’t see those for another 2 hours and 55 minutes. I’ll wait.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
10:20 pm

Ward, what makes you think I don’t now? (a little more right back at you)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
10:22 pm

Tom-

Yeah… thanks :D

Ward

February 12th, 2012
10:22 pm

Nothing,but a some laughs. Does real good.

Soph

February 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

Can’t wait for next week’s The Walking Dead.

Trey

February 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

Ward, nice to see you keeping up your humor as usual! How you been, buddy?

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

imagine cops on the vegas strip…I’ve seen 3 people let go that I can’t imagine went anywhere but to jail in any city I’ve lived in.

makes me want to go there

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

Ward

February 12th, 2012
10:27 pm

Trey-Been doing good,and waiting for March to come. March Madness, Spring Training, Nascar in a few weeks. Life can’t get any better…….

Trey

February 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

Definitely, life is great.Spring Training is right around the corner.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

Hey, Trey… long time! How are you?

Trey

February 12th, 2012
10:31 pm

Doing well. How about you, Tom?

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
10:34 pm

Can’t complain, Trey. (I’ve tried, but cabravesfan makes me shut up.)

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

There have been a lot of inquiries about where Trey had gone to…I couldn’t even place the name… ;)

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
10:41 pm

I never tell you to shut up, Tom!

Trey

February 12th, 2012
10:42 pm

Haha, that’s funny. I wish I had that issue.

VJ, what are the latest rumors, lol?

nolie

February 12th, 2012
10:49 pm

man has the price of hard drives gone WAY up over the last six months :evil:

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
10:52 pm

One might expect to hear from T-Hawkin, shortly.

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
10:54 pm

Exciting night for me – the new creamed spinach recipe worked!

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
10:55 pm

A recipe I would not have come across if it were not for Claire Robinson’s eyes…

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
10:57 pm

I must have gotten myself too much in sync. I don’t even understand, VJ, anymore.

Trey

February 12th, 2012
10:57 pm

Tom, what’s up with Tomahawkin?

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
10:59 pm

Going To Bed,,,,after watching Married with Children…

I just had a BF on the performance of the hawks on Mark Bradley’s blog

The Hawks Got Clowned!

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
11:01 pm

What about Chris Brown’s performance, T-Hawkin?

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
11:01 pm

nolie – yeah the floods in thailand making them expensive

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
11:01 pm

Hey- the Grammys are on!

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
11:02 pm

Ready to start “retweeting” the Grammys 3 hours in arrears…

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
11:03 pm

Seems like someone missing in the front row with Gary, Nils, Stevie and Patti…

Tomahawkin ("We Are A Part of A Rhythm Nation")

February 12th, 2012
11:05 pm

F…Chris Brown!

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
11:07 pm

That’s what, Trey. ;)

richbrave

February 12th, 2012
11:08 pm

‘Six days on the road, and I’m agona’ make it home tonight.’ February 19th.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:08 pm

Anna and the King of Siam need to construct some damn dams over thar tiger

Bravefaninok

February 12th, 2012
11:11 pm

nolie

February 12th, 2012
10:49 pm

man has the price of hard drives gone WAY up over the last six months

Almost cheaper to buy a SSD due to some flood where they make the HDD.

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
11:12 pm

Is a puzzlement…

Ward

February 12th, 2012
11:13 pm

nolie- Every thing is going up.Food,and most everything you buy.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:14 pm

hard to find SSD in 1 – 3 TB sizes….. :(

Trey

February 12th, 2012
11:14 pm

I’m not surprised, Tom! ;)

Ward

February 12th, 2012
11:15 pm

Ardel-Has one heck of a voice. Will have to buy her CD.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:15 pm

yeah ward food has been particularly hard hit by inflation

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
11:16 pm

I only keep tabs on the price of beer. (don’t need anything else)

Ward

February 12th, 2012
11:16 pm

Yeah,sad how the we have to put up with all the price hike.

Bravefaninok

February 12th, 2012
11:17 pm

After looking at prices they all are high…..glad I won’t be building/upgrading anything soon.

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
11:18 pm

No offense to Bruno Mars, but I pulled up Yul singing the last song I referenced – surprised cab had no idea whohet was, as she is usually wise well beyond her years…

Made me curious – Tom, are you familiar with Yul Brynner…

Ward

February 12th, 2012
11:18 pm

Tom-I’m cool as long as I have my Pepsi,and Pizza.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
11:21 pm

VJ, as an actor, but not as a singer.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
11:22 pm

That’s good, Ward. I’m not sure if the blog is really ready to see you drunk, anyway. ;)

Ward

February 12th, 2012
11:23 pm

All,have a good one! It’s been cool,and talk tomorrow. Peace…………

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
11:24 pm

nolie – its almost worth getting a small hard drive and using external those weren’t that bad (at least a couple weeks ago)

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
11:24 pm

Tom – As cab said, he was speaking, not singing (think Rex Harrison) in The King and I

Ward

February 12th, 2012
11:26 pm

Tom- haven’t had a beer,or drink of wine since 2002,and counting,and if I had a drink.You guy’s would never figure out what I write. Peace Out My friends…….

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
11:28 pm

Oh, OK, VJ. I just remember him killing Ner Do Wells in, “The Magnificent Seven”.

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
11:28 pm

VJ, I believe you’re gonna love the end of the Grammys.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:29 pm

I use mostly external cases and install HDs which used to be cheaper, now days everything is up way over $100 and you seldom see any specials, could usually find a drive for $70 B4 if you shopped, not so lately. Just lost a 1 TB drive full of movies, luckily I had a BU drive, but now I need to replace that and add a new drive for more video :(

Venice Jim

February 12th, 2012
11:29 pm

We’ll find out tomorrow… :)

Tom O'Hawke

February 12th, 2012
11:31 pm

Have a peaceful night, Ward.

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:31 pm

wow, somebody not familiar with Yul as the King of Siam? Whatta dummy…..
etcetera etcetera etcetera

ncgary

February 12th, 2012
11:37 pm

tigerdirect.com
nolie, they have hds kinda cheap sometimes

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
11:38 pm

One of those rare times Tomahawkin and I can agree. Chris Brown is a piece of unprintable garbage. That is all.

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
11:40 pm

serenity now…

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:43 pm

I’ve Googled all over gary, I can’t find any that are near as cheap as they were 6 months ago, not in terabyte plus sizes

nolie

February 12th, 2012
11:47 pm

speaking of Serenity….Firefly rules

tiger297

February 12th, 2012
11:48 pm

firefly vodka…sometimes you surprise me with your depth

cabravesfan

February 12th, 2012
11:48 pm

speaking of Serenity….Firefly rules

THIS

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
12:00 am

Time for bed. Night all!

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:02 am

what kinda F&B guy would not know about Firefly Vodka, tiger? I like their muscadine vodka a lot

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:02 am

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:07 am

muscadines being my fave grape and all….

Moe Berg

February 13th, 2012
12:15 am

As a child, I saw Yul Brynner play the king once at the Fox Theatre. Still very much remember it.

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
12:16 am

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:19 am

he spent much of his latter years playing that role in theaters around the country IIRC

Moe Berg

February 13th, 2012
12:21 am

I think so, nolie. I also so an older Topol playing Tevye on tour. Think a number of stars got typecast, as they got older.

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
12:24 am

I saw Richard Harris as Arthur in Camelot 20 years after the movie – well pre-Dumbledore…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:30 am

Is this the little girl I carried?

Is this the little boy at play?

I don’t remember growing older

When did they?

When did she get to be a beauty?

When did he get to be so tall?

Wasn’t it just yesterday

When they were small?

Sunrise, sunset

Sunrise, sunset

Swiftly flow the days

Seedlings turn overnight to sunflowers

Blossoming even as we gaze

Sunrise, sunset

Sunrise, sunset

Swiftly fly the years

One season following another

Laden with happiness and tears

What words of wisdom can I give them?

How can I help to ease their way?

Now they must learn from one another

Day by day

They look so natural together

Just like two newlyweds should be

Is there a canopy in store for me?

Sunrise, sunset

Sunrise, sunset

Swiftly flow the days

Seedlings turn overnight to sunflowers

Blossoming even as we gaze

Sunrise, sunset

Sunrise, sunset

Swiftly fly the years

One season following another

Laden with happiness and tears

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
12:33 am

when its sleepy time down south……..

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:39 am

nite nite putty tat….

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
12:49 am

DOB, thanks for the update on Hudson. May work to the Brave’s advantage to bring him along slowly as it will give some of the younger guys more “innings” to pitch in Spring Training. — Orange Brave

That’s one positive, for sure. And another, if you’re looking for them, is that Hudson could have a bit fresher arm late in season if he misses several weeks early in season.

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:17 am

I tried to make a “muscadine vodka” joke, and Wordpress shut me down.

Suffice it to say, it had the wordsmanship of a scoots, the humor of a bubdylan, and the narcissism of a Dentz. I called nolie a fruity bastard, is what I’m sayin’. Brown liquor, ice, repeat. It ain’t hard.

And, RHR gettin’ her pro-Whitney, anti-numbletard in-season on. In love all over again…

Is it wrong that I find the best part of Whitney Houston is Kathy Griffin’s “Bobby” set? It feels wrong… BobbA…!

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:23 am

ccrider,

That 7:00 was frickin’ beautiful. Shame it was lost in the sea of inanities, here. But, I see the passion, brother. Court decides in favor of the prosecution, is what I’m sayin’…

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:28 am

jeffrey d,

I’m certain I’ve bitched about the McCann-fat jokes a hundred times. Mixxo and Don, with a different purpose, for sure. All that…

What I’m gettin’ at: that Vegas-McCann-buffet bit was strong. Real strong. Carny-of-the-month worthy…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
1:31 am

Enter your comments here

nolie

February 13th, 2012
1:33 am

Brown liquor, ice, repeat. It ain’t hard…BAS

barbarian……

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:44 am

You’da liked my original, noles.

Ended it with a “terabyte this.” You’da been proud. Offended, but proud.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
1:47 am

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POWER TO THE FRUITY DRINKERS

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:48 am

I’ve seen the insides of a “Container Store,” a “Crate and Barrel,” and a “Storables.”

Are there enough man-points left in the world?

nolie

February 13th, 2012
1:49 am

sumthang like “you can (tera)byte my arse” ?

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:49 am

Almost, noles. No finger, no glory…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
1:51 am

“POWER” was just a fist, though you might be too young and callow to know that.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
1:57 am

and its about damn time Hanson changed his mechanics. mincy little stride…..

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:57 am

nolie,

I was 19, 6′2″, 190 lbs, not an ounce of muscle in sight. 1.9 to second, blocked everything, quick bat. Feasted on weak pitching, looked foolish against real stuff… How do you project that?

How do I, as a layperson, project a 16-year-old? How can I know (or, in reality, hope) what a kid can become?

I need me some insider-scout stuff…

For example, if I’m the beer-batter, do I ghetto-hack in risk of striking-out to appease the fans, or do I try my best AB, and at least put the ball in play? My flamed-out career must know…

ccrider

February 13th, 2012
2:00 am

Bay Area Steve. I agreed and accept your ruling!

nolie

February 13th, 2012
2:01 am

he’s obviously wasn’t a brown likker ‘n ice drinker

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
2:01 am

“POWER was just a fist…”

C’mon, noles. Take a look at your stolen, been-done-too-many-times fist… It ain’t a fist, man. Middle finger’s done gone, sir. Kindly allow me to suggest a position…

Don’t make me go all TnBrian-where-are-my-meds-now on your ass…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
2:03 am

a few more brown likkers B4 the games will settle the whole quandary BAS

Bay Area Steve

February 13th, 2012
2:04 am

Atta-boy, cc.

I’ll try to not be freaked out by the fact that you read that. Don’t you know that nobody reads this place unless they’re posting? Apparently, our fellow posters may (I repeat, may) read this space if they’re commenting. Good luck, otherwise…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
2:04 am

well it’s my version of a fist, so there!

nolie

February 13th, 2012
2:12 am

fists are for, fingers are against. everybody knows dat

ccrider

February 13th, 2012
2:22 am

Bay Area Steve, I just got tired of all the disciples of doom and gloom, so I wrote it so they could read facts instead of them embracing the collapse of 2011 and wraping themselves in it for the 2012 season.
We could just have been the Cardinals and gotten red hot at the end of the season and win the World Series just as they did. But, instead we had injuries and went cold instead.
The margin between winning and losing is a fine line when teams are close in talent.

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
8:32 am

wow a 6 hour break in the blog…is my family all that survived…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
8:35 am

Walking Dead got most everybody on the blog last night it looks like

Lew

February 13th, 2012
8:47 am

cc – I agree, but it’s likely you’ll be called a blind homer and a kool aid drinker for your realistic outlook.

Tomas

February 13th, 2012
8:51 am

Man I was just looking at how Hanson pitched when he got called up, his delivery was so much better than what it was last year. He threw faster, and was quicker to the plate, what happened?

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4926741&c_id=mlb

Look at him recently:

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16393815&c_id=mlb

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
8:55 am

The Walking Dead got off to a strong start and it will be interesting to see which direction it takes us. It appeared to me that by the look on Herschel’s face at the end, he has renewed respect for Rick.

VaBravesFan

February 13th, 2012
9:00 am

Good Morning Everyone, Walking Dead was awesome last night! Just sitting here having a few cups of coffee. Can’t go to work cause it so cold, only like 27 right now. I do masonry so it has to be above freezing and atleast 40 and rising most of the time..

Voice of Harold

February 13th, 2012
9:10 am

ha, glad you qualified that, VaBravesFan. My first thought was “27??” and then I recalled Dana Carvey’s Jimmy Stewart imitation (”Wussy. Little Girl”). I try not to think of Dana Carvey (ever!), but that was a funny skit.

Walking Dead was pretty good. Time to cut Shane loose, though.

ccrider

February 13th, 2012
9:12 am

Lew, I willing to bear that burden. I am sure the townfolk will soon be out with their Torches and Pitchforks.
I certainly understand the naysayers be down after the end of 2011, but the talent is still their and the young guns, Pitching and Hitting , are 1 year older and wiser.
So, they can just call me the Blind Kool Aid Drinker.

Tomas

February 13th, 2012
9:14 am

Hanson, has lived transformations on his delivery to be quicker to the plate, and that has screwed his delivery big time

Voice of Harold

February 13th, 2012
9:15 am

ccrider, care to share some of that? It’s baseball season, people. How can any baseball fan be pessimistic before the first spring training pitch is thrown?

richbrave

February 13th, 2012
9:17 am

Heh! Missed the WALKING DEAD thankfully. But DOWNTON MANOR was a serious tear jerker. And the WIZARDS won in the preamble.

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
9:20 am

Lew: The Allman Brothers Band were supposed to be at the Grammy’s last night, but there was just a brief picture and acknowledgement of their lifetime achievement award.
I thought this was interesting: 3 of the 5 nominees for Blues Album of the Year were from the Allman’s:
Tedeschi Trucks Band: Revelator (Winner)
Gregg Allman: Low Country Blues
Warren Haynes: The Reflection

semiballcoach

February 13th, 2012
9:28 am

allmans got their grammy for lifetime achievement on friday. you can go to “hittin the web” and see the full 22 minutes acceptance speech

monty

February 13th, 2012
9:29 am

THomas

Take a deep breath.OK!

beekay

February 13th, 2012
9:29 am

DOB
Slowly watching the movies from your top 20 list the last few weeks. I really liked 50-50, Warrior,Bridesmaids, Moneyball. Drive was a different story, that movie was average at best. I looked up the reviews on it and most people agreed with me. What was it that you liked so much about it? So far 4 out of 5 aint bad and at $1.20 a pop at Redbox I can’t complain

Lew

February 13th, 2012
9:30 am

ken – Doesn’t surprise me. Seems to be kind of a lull in blues these days – or at least I haven’t been hearing of much movement in the genre.

Check out a cd by a friend and old classmate of mine – Dave Perkins, called Pistol City Holiness. It’s a year or so old, but pretty good stuff.

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
9:31 am

semiballcoach: Thanks for that info.

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
9:35 am

Lew: Thanks, I’ll look for that. Been listening to a lot of Gary Moore, I really miss him. Also 70s era Robin Trower.

Lew

February 13th, 2012
9:38 am

ken – been listening to a Thin LIzzy cd lately – one of their later ones – Black Rose. Great cd with Moore playing with the band he helped form as a kid. The title song is especially good.

Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)

February 13th, 2012
9:56 am

Watched the Walking Dead last night. Unpredictable would be an understatement. You just never know what the writers of this show will drop on us next.

Back to baseball, Tommy’s revamped delivery is great news. Not only will he be quicker to the plate, I believe his velocity will benefit from the positive drive added by utilizing his legs.

Fifty-six players are on the spring training docket so far and there will be more, so sixty plus athletes makes for a busy grape fruit league for our Braves.

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
9:59 am

The First time I have ever watch more than 5 minutes of the grammies last night…because the Hawks game was Brutal to watch….

Nuff respect for Adele, and the Foo Fighters

Nicki Minaj and Chris Brown are both Pop Tart Garbage!

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
10:01 am

Manny Ramirez, Vladimir Guerrero, Maggs Ordonez, and Xavier Nady are all still available…

Pick your Poison…?

I’d take a Fyer on either Nady or Manny…

At least Manny would put people in the seats….

Lew

February 13th, 2012
10:12 am

THawkin – Nady sucks. He is shot and didn’t even have an OBP over .300 last year and barely the year before.

Ordonez also is about shot and barely had a .300 OBP last year.

Manny hasn’t even played for a year or so and has to serve a 50 game suspension IF he comes back.

Vlad? Maybe, but you seriously believe they can sign him for a mil or two? I’m not seeing it and he hasn’t hit against NL pitching for quite a few years now.

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
10:13 am

I just watched The Allman Brothers Band Grammy acceptance speeches on their web site “hittin the web” (thanks semiballcoach). Very well done, everyone was there except Dickey and he wasn’t welcome by the other members of the band. I doubt they ever resolve that situation, but with Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks, who needs him?

Murph

February 13th, 2012
10:21 am

Manny, Nady, Vlad… all equally useless. Even if they were replacing another useless player in Diaz, still probably not much of an upgrade.

Nah, I’d rather go into the season with the team as it is than bring in some washed-up player just because he was once a big name.

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
10:21 am

Marshmallow Fruit Loops are The Bomb!

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
10:23 am

Lew

“THawkin – Nady sucks. He is shot and didn’t even have an OBP over .300 last year and barely the year before.”

Nady was a Hot Name on here as recent as 18 months ago…What in the Heck Happened?

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
10:25 am

Word on the street is that The Phillies are interested in the Afore-mentioned players I just mentioned….

Manny or Vlad hitting at CBP scares me…

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
10:26 am

The Eagles are going to be at the Verizion Wireless Ampitheature…If It wasn’t so expensive, I’d go….

I will just stick to the Free Postgame concerts at the Ted….

Murph

February 13th, 2012
10:30 am

Vlad and Manny are big risks for any NL team, especially with their gloves… that’s a lot of money to pay for a PH.

At this point in their careers I wouldn’t be very worried seeing them come up against the Braves.

DAP

February 13th, 2012
10:34 am

.252/.299/.356 in 570 PA’s over two years happened. OPSed only .702 vs. lefties last year. probably isnt our guy, though i wouldnt hate a minor league contract for the guy.

DAP

February 13th, 2012
10:35 am

the above post is in reference to xavier nady.

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
10:35 am

DOB just mentioned the “semi-newness” of the blog on Twitter – curious to see if we get any wise and clever commentaries in the next few minutes…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
10:36 am

Of course, by “wise and clever” I do not necessarily mean “wise and clever”…

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
10:36 am

Wow, Jose Canseco to try for a team in the Mexican league….

He just needs to come out with another book…

JJJ

February 13th, 2012
10:39 am

What ever happended to Yasser Gomez?

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
10:43 am

nolie: Amazon Gold Box deal of the day: OCZ Technology Agility 3 SSD 3rd Generation SATA III 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive – $99.99 today only.

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
10:53 am

Slowly watching the movies from your top 20 list the last few weeks. I really liked 50-50, Warrior,Bridesmaids, Moneyball. Drive was a different story, that movie was average at best. I looked up the reviews on it and most people agreed with me. What was it that you liked so much about it? So far 4 out of 5 aint bad and at $1.20 a pop at Redbox I can’t complainbeekay

That surprised me when you said that about Drive reviews, since I thought it was a terrific movie. So just now I looked it up on the Rotten Tomatoes website, which compiles reviews from most major outlets around the country. Sure enough, Drive had 93 percent positive reviews, making it one of the highest-rated major releases of the year. Not sure which reviews you were looking at beekay, but here’s the site if you’d like a look at any of the 223 reviews they compiled on Drive or any other movie.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/drive_2011/

JJJ

February 13th, 2012
10:53 am

Clever like a post you have to explain a minute later in an additional post?

Lew

February 13th, 2012
10:54 am

THawkin – Nady hasn’t had a decent season since 08 and has made a career on having two decent years out of a ten year career. Never have figured what the attraction for the Dude has been.. He’s been injured for quite some time and has put up decreasing numbers for three years now. Not a good fielder, has a weak arm and like DAP said – his numbers for the past two years are pretty bad.

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
10:56 am

DOB

Do you like singer Vince Gill?

nolie

February 13th, 2012
10:59 am

Thanx Ken but that is 90GB, I’m looking for at least 1.5 TB, 15 times larger. They don’t make solid state drives of that size as far as I know and if they did they would be hugely expensive

Jimmy

February 13th, 2012
11:03 am

Anyone hear if Brooks Conrad has had any offers?

JJJ

February 13th, 2012
11:03 am

I think he signed with the Brewers?

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:04 am

Clever like a post you have to explain a minute later in an additional post?

One can never underestimate the ability of people to read the words one types as being representative of what one actually means…

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
11:05 am

DOB Tweet Fredi mentioned last week how well Chipper hit in limited PAs there. RT In replay to: @jp_edu: @ajcbraves let’s be realistic they won’t bat [Chipper] 2nd.

Well, at least Fredi notices some lineup strengths or weaknesses…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:10 am

Is Fredi talking about Chipper hitting welll in the second slot last year?

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
11:14 am

nolie

I guess…but I mean, he hit OK in that spot last year, but it wasn’t anything outstanding…

In 7 games, (33 PAs) .267 AVG, .273 OBP, .467 SLG 1 HR, 4 RBI, 3 2B, 1 BB (iBB), 8 K’s, 1 GDP, 2 SF, 1 ROE

beekay

February 13th, 2012
11:14 am

DOBhttp://www.redbox.com/movies/drive-2011
Here is where i saw the reviews only 2 out of 5 stars average with 1400 people reviewing.

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
11:14 am

I should have checked those numbers before I posted my 11:05…

Jimmy

February 13th, 2012
11:14 am

JJJ – right you are. Just pulled up their roster. He and Gonzo landed there.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:15 am

DRIVE was rated an 8.0 at IMDB,. That is pretty high but not super.
I thought it was good but i was surprised that DOB rated it that high too

beekay

February 13th, 2012
11:15 am

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
11:16 am

His career BA in the #2 spot is .302 in 61 PAs (53 ABs), so that’s pretty good. And like Fredi said, limited PAs…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:16 am

he hit better almost everywhere else that he batted :roll:

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
11:19 am

nolie

True that. Ah…poor Fredi…

I mean, we also saw how long it took him to take BMac out of the #3 spot after he came back from his DL stint and clearly was not…doing well…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:23 am

yeah, I’m not a manager basher but some of the things he says make me wonder a bit

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
11:25 am

nolie

Ditto…

Arkansas Transplant

February 13th, 2012
11:29 am

Who’s all heading down to Florida to take in game this spring training?

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:34 am

beekay you need to start reading IMDB. the biggest video site on the web. and their ratings are usually pretty close IMO. Certainly Drive was much better than a 2 outta 5.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:36 am

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:38 am

I’ll go if they come down and play the Rangers, but that is unlikely to happen

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:39 am

Geeze….Rays not Rangers. living in the past :oops:

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:40 am

old f@rts get a lotta brain f@rts

[...] Pitchers and catchers report soon, Hanson with no hitch “I like it a lot,” stated Gonzalez, noting that other byproduct of Hanson&#39s new delivery. “He is going to be quicker to the plate, which really should assist him hold runners better.” Hanson permitted a National League-high 33 steals in 2010, and last year he had a … Read a lot more on Atlanta Journal Constitution (weblog) [...]

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
11:50 am

where are the rays?

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:51 am

Port Charlotte

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:53 am

useta was the rangers.Braves only came twice and most of the stars like Murph stayed up there. longer bus trip than most like

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
11:54 am

I’ll see what I can do :)

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
11:55 am

I’m almost positive it is nothing…

REEDBRAVES

February 13th, 2012
12:00 pm

I will be at the spring home opener on March 3, arriving friday March 2nd and staying the week in disney, Very excited!!!!!!!

Juan

February 13th, 2012
12:22 pm

Billy Beane did it again…sign the Big Cuban Cespedes.

Murph

February 13th, 2012
12:23 pm

I wish I could make it out for some ST games this season… unfortunately it just isn’t in the cards.

Going for a whole week next year, though. I’ll be dressing my kids up in Braves’ jerseys in the hope that they can sweet talk their way into a bunch of player autographs for daddy.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:23 pm

maybe you can fly the team down……

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nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:24 pm

oh man that sukked :(

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:24 pm

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nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:25 pm

bah that too. I quit

Murph

February 13th, 2012
12:27 pm

Is that a shopping cart? Or an airstream trailer?

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
12:29 pm

nolie – my weight limit means I can only bring 1 player at a time…lotta trips

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:29 pm

s’posed to be a plane like tiger’s :oops:
I can’t get it to space right on here

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:31 pm

yeah I know tiger, I was just being facetious

Efrim

February 13th, 2012
12:33 pm

So the rebuilding A’s sign Cespedes? Another outfielder?

That makes their current outfield to be Seth Smith, Coco Crisp, Josh Reddick, Collin Cowgill, Michael Taylor, Johnny Gomes and the newly signed Cespedes. I’m sure Gomes will DH quite a bit, but that’s a serious logjam with Taylor and Reddick really needing major league at bats to show if they can stick there.

Is Beane just bored?

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:35 pm

Cespedes prolly in the minors??

Hillbilly

February 13th, 2012
12:37 pm

I think nolie just told us the story of King Tutankhamun’s death, but my heiroglyphic translation may be a little rusty. :)

nolie

February 13th, 2012
12:40 pm

good’un Hillbilly. glad sumbody got sumthang outta it :D

Juan

February 13th, 2012
12:41 pm

Cespedes will be in the minor for a few months….I think he make a good business decision to sign with the A’s….no presure there…different in Miami with all the Cuban Fan want him to produce right away…this Guy has to face MLB pitcher for awhile until he’s ready.

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
12:42 pm

6 years 36 Mill for Cespedes???

Are our Owners That Cheap to not even pursue Cespedes????

6 years 36 mill is a Bargain for a potential 20-20 player

Ray

February 13th, 2012
12:46 pm

It will be interesting to see if the A’s start Cespedes in the minors. Many believe that is where he should start. That came out of no where. It was all about the Marlins and maybe a few other teams. I don’t think anyone thought the A’s were in the mix.

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
12:49 pm

“I don’t think anyone thought the A’s were in the mix.”

No, BSPN as well as MLB Network was way off point in saying that he was gonna sign with the Marlins….

Juan

February 13th, 2012
12:50 pm

Tomahawkin …you said it…”Potential”….this can be another Kawakami type of Player….this guy never face MLB pitcher…i saw some video and he got a big Hole in his swim.

Hillbilly

February 13th, 2012
12:50 pm

I bet Loria and company are getting tired of the AL West peeing on his rug all winter.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
12:51 pm

It’s 4 years, $36M from what I saw- that’s $9 million a year for someone that has only played in the Cuban leagues. That is a HUGE risk for such a question mark of a player. It may pay off…it may be a total disaster…

Juan

February 13th, 2012
12:52 pm

If cepedes can hit MLB…Billy will trade him in a couple yrs…count of that.

Ease

February 13th, 2012
12:53 pm

6 years 36 mill is a Bargain for a potential 20-20 player

Sure would be, I wonder where we can find one.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
12:54 pm

Also, apparently he really hurt his value while playing in the Dominican- scouts discovered he is still, basically, a work in progress. Teams like Oakland, with no real expectations that they will compete this season, can take a risk like that with little concern that it will cost them in the long run.

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
12:54 pm

@cabravesfan

Where did you get the 411…?

@ Juan

Kawakami wasn’t that bad of a pitcher, give him the Yankees run support and he could win 15 games….

Juan

February 13th, 2012
12:57 pm

Tomahawkin ….agree about KK…i was refere to a big contract with a player never play in a MLB

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
12:57 pm

Tomahawkin:

JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
A’s winning bid for cespedes was indeed $36M for 4, a bit better than #marlins 36-6.

Ease

February 13th, 2012
12:58 pm

For Tomahawkin’s eyes only…

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Sources: Oakland has agreed to terms with Yoenis Cespedes, 4 years, $36 million.

Ease

February 13th, 2012
12:59 pm

Cespedes will make $6.5 million this year, $8.5 mill in 2013 and $10.5 mill in each of the final two years, the Chronicle has learned.

RHR

February 13th, 2012
1:03 pm

For Tomahawkin’s eyes only…

Oh crap. I read it too. What happens now? Do I start throwing BF’s while bumping bad 80’s music?

RHR

February 13th, 2012
1:05 pm

Where’s the top ten movie list we are referring to? I need some material for my blockbuster queue.

Ease

February 13th, 2012
1:07 pm

Nova Scotia Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:07 pm

I like the idea of Chipper in the two hole – a lot.

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
1:09 pm

Is Beane just bored?

Exploiting a market inefficiency. If he can corner the market on outfielders, people will come crawling to him. 87 more to go and he’ll have all the major league outfielders there are.

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
1:13 pm

NSS I like the idea of Chipper in the two hole – a lot.

As long as it doesn’t put BMac in the 3-hole…

But I’m really gonna try not to bring up batting order so much this year (hey! Didn’t I read that somewhere last Spring? :roll: )…

RHR

February 13th, 2012
1:14 pm

Gracias, Ease.

Ease

February 13th, 2012
1:17 pm

Nova Scotia Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:18 pm

McFann: Yeah, I don’t really like BMac in that spot either…

The three spot in the line-up is ready for Freeman or Heyward should he bounce back. Realistically – one of them will occupy the role on this team sometime in the future.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
1:23 pm

But I’m really gonna try not to bring up batting order so much this year

Maybe this year, I’ll do a blog pool on the over/under of lineup posts made during ST.

Or not. :-)

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
1:29 pm

beekay, then i guess I give it double what the 1,400 people surveyed at redbox.com give it. I probably give “Take Shelter” twice what they’ll give it, too.

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
1:32 pm

DRIVE was rated an 8.0 at IMDB,. That is pretty high but not super.
I thought it was good but i was surprised that DOB rated it that high too
— nolie

I’ve found your tastes and mine run different in movies, for the most part. You tend to lean toward traditional-style, big box-office classics made in the ’50s-’60s, right? I tend to like more contemporary and, for lack of a better word, “edgy” movies made in more recent decades. Just different tastes, nothing wrong with that.

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
1:35 pm

DOB—

Do you like singer Vince Gill? — McFann

He’s all right, but doesn’t do much for me.

N8

February 13th, 2012
1:35 pm

I’m not sure where Nirvana would be today if Kurt Cobain would still be alive. My guess is still making relative music and not comprimising.

But there is no denying that Dave Grohl is a true rockstar in every aspect of the word. He’s charismatic. He seems down to earth and everytime you see him on stage, he looks like he’s having the time of his life.

Oh yeah dude’s got some talent as well. Not too many people can say they’ve been part of two hugely successful rock bands. He can.

I’m not a huge fan of seeing concerts in big arenas. But the Foo Fighters are a band that would be worth the bad seets of the big setting.

Dave is simply the baddest rocker on the planet right now. I think when all is said and done, he’ll go down as one of the great frontmen in a rock and roll history.

Not bad for the drummer from Nirvana.

CB

February 13th, 2012
1:36 pm

Might be a good time to talk to Athletics about Seth Smith. :-)

Nova Scotia Steve

February 13th, 2012
1:37 pm

CB: Might be a good time to talk to Athletics about Seth Smith.

I just threw up, only a little. But vomit never-the-less.

:D

Mixxo

February 13th, 2012
1:37 pm

ST right around the corner??

Lovely! :)

Lets get this thing cranked up!

Mixxo

February 13th, 2012
1:40 pm

Yep, much respect to Dave Grohl.

Hated Nirvana though and most of the rest of those Seattle “heroin bands.”. :mad:

N8

February 13th, 2012
1:40 pm

DOB, I assume back in the day you rocked out to some early Van Halen. Have you bothered checking out the new disc at all?

I was reluctant to once I read that it was simply rehashed demos that they redid and spiced up a bit.

I’m a DLR fan (old van halen), and always found him amusing when I was younger. He’s kind of a shell of his former self and almost makes a mockery of his glory days by trying to still be that guy.

But in the end, I felt obligated as a guitarist to check out anything new EVH puts out. From a guitar standpoint, it doesn’t disappoint. His playing is as bad ass as ever and sounds current, yet has that classic EVH sound to it. But the songs in general sound like what they are……. throw aways from the glory days.

I’m not sure if I’m disappinted in it or not. Since it’s pretty much what I expected. Would have been fun to be old enough to see them live in the 70’s. I’ve actually never seen them live. Not sure I want to drop the coin to go see them on this tour. But might have to.

Surprised me to see you like Miranda Lambert (or to give her props anyhow). I really dig her. Certain grit she has. Seems genuine with her “twang” and she’s believable. Unlike so many country/pop stars.

beekay

February 13th, 2012
1:41 pm

Nolie, DOB
I agree the movie was better than a 2 out of five, just not much better. The other 4 that I listed were very good. I was just curious as to why he had it listed in top 3 movies as I liked the other 4 better and still have several others on the list to see in the upcoming weeks.

N8

February 13th, 2012
1:45 pm

Mixxo, I was always torn. LOVED Alice n Chain. Still can listen to them today.

Loved the music Pearl Jam put out, but was never a big fan of Eddie Vedder. On the flipside, loved Chris Cornell, but never much cared for Soundgarden’s music. If Chris Cornell would have been in Pearl Jam singing those same songs, they might be my all time favorite band.

I didn’t like Nirvana then. But they’ve very much grown on me as time has passed. Not a huge Cobain fan. But there isn’t any denying the songs are influential and important to the curve of music history.

My favorite band of the Seattle push was actually Candlebox. Didn’t care much for the 2nd and 3rd disc (never bothered with the 4th and most recent one). But that first album is fantastic from my angle. Love his voice, love the guitar tone. Love the mood of that album. One of the few older albums from that era that I can listen to the whole thing without skipping anything.

Lollygagger

February 13th, 2012
1:47 pm

anyone else amused at how two of the lowest payroll teams in MLB were in a bidding war for Cespedes? In fact, it feels wrong to even call it a “bidding war.” :)

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
1:50 pm

DRIVE was rated an 8.0 at IMDB,. That is pretty high but not super.
I thought it was good but i was surprised that DOB rated it that high too

I just checked out the IMDB site you referenced. Here’s their list of the 342 highest-rated movies in 2011 that received at least 1,000 votes.

http://www.imdb.com/search/title?year=2011,2011&title_type=feature&num_votes=1000,&sort=user_rating,desc

Only 11 of them had a higher rating than Drive’s 8.0, and only one was higher than 8.4. So I’m not really sure what you mean by “pretty high.”

Among the really strong (and already award-winning) movies of 2011 that I see rated below it on the site you referenced: Moneyball, The Descendants, Midnight in Paris, Take Shelter, and Shame.

N8

February 13th, 2012
1:50 pm

It cracks me up when people refer to Vince Gill as “singer” (not picking on you McFann), but as a guitar player, I have to state that Vince Gill is one of the most underrated pickers to come along. Dude can play.

unbelievable

February 13th, 2012
1:50 pm

“•Fredi mentioned last week how well Chipper hit in limited PAs there. RT @jp_edu: @ajcbraves let’s be realistic they won’t bat him 2nd. 3 hours ago”

.267/.273/.467

DAP

February 13th, 2012
1:51 pm

chipper in the 2-spot? larry’ll tell you “im not a table setter”…and i hate to argue with such an accomplished hitter, but i think he is an excellent table setter. dude is on base all the time…he is a 2nd base alot, and i can see he and bourne setting up lots of big innings. i would LOVE to see chipper slotted at 2 and left there.

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
1:51 pm

DOB, I assume back in the day you rocked out to some early Van Halen. Have you bothered checking out the new disc at all? N8

No, haven’t checked it out and will not be checking it out. The first single from it, “Tattoo,” is one of the worst rock songs I’ve heard in years.

N8

February 13th, 2012
1:55 pm

DOB, you are correct. It actually takes until track 5 or so before I hit a song I would listen to again.

Like I said. From a guitar standpoint, EVH can still play and for me it’s worth checking out from that standpoint. But the bombastic “attitude” that I think made Van Halen what they were back in the day is long gone and I almost feel embarrased for them that they are trying to recapture that.

But yeah. I’m glad I didn’t here Tattoo before checking the rest out. Or I probably would have passed as well. LOL

N8

February 13th, 2012
1:56 pm

Being the concert guy you are, did you ever check them out in the early DLR days? I can’t imagine that Roth was ever a good singer live. But like KISS back in the crazy 70’s, I imagine as being a “must see” event for any rock fan back then.

N8

February 13th, 2012
1:59 pm

DAP, absolutely agree with you on Chipper in the 2-hole. He’s not a true HR threat anymore. But the guy gets on base and if Bourn manages to get to 2nd base, I’d like Chipper having the first crack at driving him in with a single or a double.

That being said, if Chipper is healthy, I won’t gripe as much about him in the 3-hole as I did last year going into the season when I wanted Heyward there. Until Heyward proves it’s his spot for the next decade, might as well leave the old man there.

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
1:59 pm

N8: Totally agree with you @ 1:35. Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl have ascended to the top of the rock hierarchy .

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 13th, 2012
2:01 pm

I hadn’t heard Van Halen’s song tattoo until now and that is awful. Hopefully it’s made to be a joke or something because they’re way better than that.

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 13th, 2012
2:03 pm

Most people, I assume, like Roth better than Hagar in Van Halen, but I actually like more of their songs in the Hagar era.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:04 pm

ChattTownBrian, the tune that I really dig is called “As Is”. To me that sounds like old Van Halen.

But that’s because that’s what it is. It’s an old tune.

The part that’s funny as a Van Halen fan is you realize how missed Michael Anthony is. His harmonies are a huge part of the Van Halen sound. That being said, Wolfgang has come a long way on bass. Of course if your dad is EVH, genes come into play…. not to mention a pretty good built in guitar teacher in the house. LOL

Murph

February 13th, 2012
2:05 pm

Van Halen 1984 was the first concert I ever went to… was in the 4th grade at the time. I’ve been a huge fan for as long as I can remember.

Then Sammy Hagar came along, and I was a little dismayed but ultimately still a fan. Then Gary Cherone hit the scene and I vowed to never, ever, never listen to any of their new stuff again.

Now that Diamond Dave is back I thought they might return to their rockin’ ways… and then I heard Tattoo. Made me cringe. Horrible, horrible song. I don’t know what they were thinking having that be the first single off the new album.

The Van Halen Facebook page has been posting previews of all the songs off the new album… it’s not all that bad, or at least not as bad as Tattoo would make you think it would be. There are a few songs on there, like Stay Frosty, that come really close to sounding like the old Van Halen.

I’m just waiting for someone to send me an iTunes giftcard before I get it. Not gonna spend my money on it, but I’ll spend someone else’s money on it no problem.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
2:08 pm

Yeah, I wouldn’t mind Chipper hitting second, at all. The best hitters on a team should bat 1st, 2nd and 4th. Second is a nice spot for Chipper because I don’t think he’s an elite power guy any longer but he still has decent power, and of course he’s still an elite on-base guy, or at least close to it.

Anyone hear the Atlanta Baseball Talk podcast? Kevin Goldstein was a guest and he talked about prospects, of course. He also talked about what we should expect from Pastornicky and ownership. Basically he talked about the problems of a corporate owner that is, for lack of a better word, disconnected from the team and how they can’t really ask for more money. They more or less have to stick to a budget more so than other teams. It was really interesting stuff.

He expected Pastornicky to hold the position down but he’s not going to be anything special, which is about what most of us expect, I think.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:08 pm

You think the ex-wife Valerie is happy about young Wolfgang being on the road with his dad, uncle alex and “uncle” Dave?

A mom’s worst nightmare. Sure sone. Go with your multi-rehab attending father and his band of debotchery on the road…… Be safe. :-)

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
2:09 pm

NSS The three spot in the line-up is ready for Freeman or Heyward should he bounce back.

I agree…BMac should stay in the middle third of the order…

ncscoots Maybe this year, I’ll do a blog pool on the over/under of lineup posts made during ST

Haha! Well, I’ll really try not to make comments during ST, since those aren’t real games…if you wanna include me, wait and see what happens if Fredi starts the Season with BMac @ #3… :P

DOB

OK, I was just curious…he sang part of a Glen Campbell song at the CountryMusicAwards Awards in November and it was actually pretty good…

Neight

Yeah, I should have said guitar player…I actually almost threw that in there. He is really good. I got his new CD for Christmas and I love it…

Murph

February 13th, 2012
2:10 pm

Wolfgang was destined to be a star on “Celebrity Rehab” from the moment he was conceived… it’s just a matter of time.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:11 pm

Murph. Stay Frosty is pretty much “Ice Cream Man” part two. At first it annoyed me. But once you get in David Lee Roth mode (accepting that he’s a complete nut job), it kind of grows on you. The guitar work on Stay Frosty is pretty cool.

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
2:11 pm

N8: I saw Van Halen several times in the late 70s and early 80s and they were always hot. DLR was awesome which is why I could never accept Hagar as their singer…I loved him with Montrose and solo, but he made Van Halen a different band from David, and Hagar just never worked for me. But, DLR is just a parody of what he used to be, and I think that is sad.

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 13th, 2012
2:12 pm

DLR is a nut. A goofy ass wacko. But that’s what really good front men are I guess.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:12 pm

Just giving you crap McFann. Even amongst my guitarist buddies when discussing country players, Vince is often forgot about. I’m usually reminded when I stumble upon a youtube clip and am reminded how smooth he is.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
2:14 pm

As of now, Chipper still hits dingers at a higher rate than anyone on the club not named McCann or Uggla. I realize that it may be fashionable to think otherwise, but, he still has the goods to hit 3. His availability is the only knock.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:14 pm

Murph at 2:10 nailed it. Poor Wolfgang. LOL.

What’s funny, is I was reading some of the reviews on iTunes and on some of the youtube live clips of a “surprise” concert they did around the holidays in L.A.

People were calling him fat and stuff. Wasn’t Michael Anthony always a little chubby? LOL. Perhaps Wolfgang is just trying to be authentic?

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
2:15 pm

For those who haven’t noticed, Carroll has a story posted about her recent trip to Cuba:

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/02/13/getting-a-taste-of-baseball-cuba-style/

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:18 pm

Scoots. I agree. But I have a feeling that Freeman might end up being the long-term 3-hole hitter for this team before Heyward. And have a feeling that Freeman and Heyward both with hit HR at a higher rate than Chipper this year.

But it’s hard to make a lineup “guessing” what might happen. So Fredi is left to go on the past.

Just hope like last year, that he’s willing to change it up if it becomes evident that somebody else has become a better option in the 3-hole.

But like I said, I think the 2-hole is just as important and it’s more of a tribute to how good I think Chipper would be there, than about him not being suited for the 3-hole anymore. If somebody else can slug at a high rate and knock in runs behind him, his OBP and bat control with Bourn on base ahead of him will be priceless in the 2-hole. It appeared that Prado didn’t like hitting 2nd with a base stealer ahead of him.

Hard to say at this point. I just hope it’s fluid if it needs to be.

Murph

February 13th, 2012
2:18 pm

Diamond Dave can’t sing anymore… makes me sad. He used to really be able to belt it out, now he’s more of a spoken word singer type.

I agree with ken… the band really wasn’t the same with Hagar. They seemed to be targeting their music to middle aged women who used to rock but now had kids and minivans.

All that said, though, I’ll take a non-singing Diamond Dave over Cherone. I like to pretend that album never happened.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:21 pm

“Most people, I assume, like Roth better than Hagar in Van Halen, but I actually like more of their songs in the Hagar era.” ChattTownBrian

I absolutely agree with you. I’m a bigger fan of Roth (back in the day), but actually really like the Sammy stuff.

I’ve just always seperated the two and considered it two different bands.

To add to that, I think that Eat Em’ and Smile (Roth’s first post-Van Halen solo album) is as good as anything Van Halen put out before it. Hard to argue with that trio of musicians Roth put together for that album (Steve Vai, Billy Sheehan, Greg Bissonnette).

Some great playing on that album.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:23 pm

Murph, I didn’t care for the Cherone album either. But I remember being excited about the possibility of that tour. Because there was so much Roth tunes they weren’t playing live with Hagar. And Cherone had the range to sing the Sammy stuff.

So at that time wanting to go watch Eddie play and see them play the classics it made sense. Unfortunately, the album sucked (a couple of cool tunes), and thus the tour was a bust. Never made it out to see them on that tour.

Efrim

February 13th, 2012
2:25 pm

Beane is after every reliever too. Gonna try and sign Mike Gonzalez and trade for Koji Uehara. So that will give him a glut of middle relievers, corner outfielders….most of which make up for mediocre units. It’s really funny to see him operate like this. I feel bad for A’s fans. It’s a joke of a franchise.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
2:26 pm

But I have a feeling that Freeman might end up being the long-term 3-hole hitter for this team before Heyward.

I don’t think I could disagree more, and I’m a Freeman fan from way back. Of course, if you agree with Shaun that the 3-hole is merely good enough for the fourth-best hitter on the club, I might go along with you, LOL.

It appeared that Prado didn’t like hitting 2nd with a base stealer ahead of him.

If he had been having his usual offensive year and then tailed off when Bourn came over, I might be more inclined to agree. But, I don’t think you can make a call like that when a guy has an off-year. Too many other components in the suckage to focus on just one like that, especially one that is more mental than physical.

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
2:30 pm

The Book says the #3 hitter comes to the plate with, on average, fewer runners on base than the #4 or #5 hitters. So why focus on putting a guy who can knock in runs in the #3 spot, when the two spots after him can benefit from it more? Surprisingly, because he comes to bat so often with two outs and no runners on base, the #3 hitter isn’t nearly as important as we think. This is a spot to fill after more important spots are taken care of.

There is a flaw in this logic. A gaping flaw.

DAP

February 13th, 2012
2:32 pm

10paul, i noticed that gaping flaw…its not even hiding. i feel bad for the guy.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
2:32 pm

There is a flaw in this logic. A gaping flaw.

Ya think, LOL?

Hillbilly

February 13th, 2012
2:32 pm

cab,

Check it out. I thought this was interesting. He should have never left us for y’all’s greener pastures. I hope he makes it.

Mitch Mustain has signed a minor league deal with the White Sox

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 13th, 2012
2:33 pm

Even if Prado shows for sure hitting behind Bourn has some sort of negative effect on his approach at the plate, we at least don’t have to worry about Fredi leaving him there like Cox would do for months on end. Fredi has a much shorter fuse on these things and showed all us that last year. That’s a good thing imo.

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
2:33 pm

Neight

That’s OK, I’m used to it… ;)

Yeah, I really didn’t know much about him till we saw him on the CMA. If I hadn’t seen him play there, I might not have guessed he was a guitar player, much less a country singer. :) He’s kinda like Peter Moylen—looks like he’d be selling pharmaceuticals or something, but is really good at what he actually does… :P

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
2:36 pm

Hillbilly-

I saw that. I hope he does well too. :)

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:36 pm

“I don’t think I could disagree more, and I’m a Freeman fan from way back. Of course, if you agree with Shaun that the 3-hole is merely good enough for the fourth-best hitter on the club, I might go along with you, LOL.”

Scoots, common sense says Heyward is built for the 3-hole. All the tools. Except the ability to stay healthy. Could be fluke. Could be pattern. Too early to tell.

But from past conversations, you know I’m a believer in continuity in the lineup. So from that angle, (if we’re talking the ability to stay healthy) I might be inclinded to think Freeman might have the better outcome the next couple of years. Clearly if healthy, Heyward has few with his abilities.

But also clearly, when he’s not healthy, he’s a shell of what got him to the dance so quickly. Comes down to that “70 percent of the more talented guy” theory. I’m not buying it.

Healthy Heyward raking in the 3-hole changes the whole dynamic of the ENTIRE lineup. Same could be said for Chipper too.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:39 pm

Agree McFann. I’m not a huge fan of his singing or his tunes. He’s good and I’ll leave it at that. But as you’ve likely seen in past music comments from me, I’m a sucker for really good guitar players. Even if it means listening to some cheesy lyrics and tunes I wouldn’t normally tollerate.

I think in 25 years of playing, I’ve worked pretty hard at being a pretty solid guitar player. But am simply in awe of how effortless the “pros” make it look. So for that reason I consider myself a Vince Gill fan.

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
2:39 pm

McFann: Vince Gill started very young in a country rock band in the 70’s called Pure Prairie League. They had a couple of big hits including “Amie”. He is considered an outstanding guitar player and session man, besides singing.

jeffrey d

February 13th, 2012
2:44 pm

I think in 25 years of playing, I’ve worked pretty hard at being a pretty solid guitar player. But am simply in awe of how effortless the “pros” make it look

Not all the pros. A lot of the stuff that makes it to the radio is garbage.

Not me though. I make it look pretty effortless

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:45 pm

Bingo kenhotlanta. You don’t get those Nashville session gigs with having some serious chops. Urban (as a guitar player) falls into the same category. Whether they’ve cheesed out for the sake of selling records is certainly up for debate. But anybody with a clue can’t deny those two guys their ability to pick it.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:48 pm

Totally agree jeffrey. Lot of garbage out there. Even from some seriously talented players/singers.

But when you watch guys like Roy Clark or Paisley do their thing it’s as though they could do it in their sleep and for that I’m jealous. I’m not saying they didn’t work at it. Had I spent as much time woodshedding in my parents basement as a teenager as I did chasing girls and partying, my playing would be much better. But at least I have some stories to tell my boys when they are old enough to hear them. LOL

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
2:49 pm

Neight

That’s cool! Everyone’s got their own tastes—otherwise this would be a boring world… :P

I enjoy watching good musicians, too. Obviously I’m not as into it as some, though, and I don’t think I really listen to a very wide range of music…

kenhotlanta

Yeah, he’s been around a long time!… :) He plays a lot of different instruments besides the guitar, too. I know he also plays the banjo, and I think there are a couple others…

semiballcoach

February 13th, 2012
2:51 pm

vince gill didn’t play on amy…he joined the group after craig fuller left, i think

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:51 pm

For me, I split my music into categories.

Great songwriters.
Great technical players
Party rock/nostalgia music that reminds me of my youth.
And everything else.

I’m probably not as diverse of a fan as i should be. But depending on my mood I love it all for various reasons. Not much music I can’t find something nice to say about. Even if it takes a little effort and digging to say something nice. LOL

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
2:53 pm

jeffrey d A lot of the stuff that makes it to the radio is garbage.

True that…ugh…some of it strikes me as an insult to the really good groups or people who are really good but undiscovered and would give almost anything to have the chance that the garbage-makers have.

Not me though. I make it look pretty effortless

Oh…yeah…you bet…

;)

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:53 pm

Like all the stuff DOB posts and talks about. Usually not all my taste. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand why somebody might like any certain type of music.

But there is definitely some pure crap out there. Always has been. That isn’t ever going to change.

New Mexico Lee

February 13th, 2012
2:55 pm

N8, some of those preformances last night at the Grammy’s would require a lot of digging to find something nice to say about them.

N8

February 13th, 2012
2:58 pm

I didn’t watch last night, but my wife said it was hard to watch at times. And she’s usually more easily impressed than I am. She likes a lot of music I don’t care for. LOL

Don in TN

February 13th, 2012
3:00 pm

Vince Gill playing bluegrass with Pederson/Grisman on an old Stanley Brothers tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN4c0Hrphfw

jeffrey d

February 13th, 2012
3:00 pm

I’m not saying they didn’t work at

Some guys are just naturally gifted. I know this 16 year old who is an absolute prodigy. He can shred with the best of them. And I don’t think he even tries that hard.

N8

February 13th, 2012
3:01 pm

I’m a “live” guy. I’ve never considered myself a Garth Brooks fan. But my wife suckered me into going about 10 years ago or so and it was one of the best “shows” I’ve been to. Fantastic band of talented musicians playing songs I didn’t care for. But I enjoyed it.

I’ve got much respect for anybody that gets up there and does it and does it well. Even if that means playing a “bad” song well. Too much studio magic these days. So when you see a current pop star that can actually sing or play live, I’m left pleasantly surprised.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
3:01 pm

Read The Book, ncscoots and TennesseePaul. The numbers two and four hitters should be the best all-around hitters, with the leadoff man being a great on-base guy (whether he has speed or not).

ncscoots, it’s not about whether you agree or disagree with me about the number three hitter or about batting orders in general. It’s whether you are aware of the data. Don’t try to make this about me. It’s about what’s there for anyone who treads through the data to see. That’s fine if you don’t trust what’s there for all to see and instead want to go with how things seem to you, at the expense of looking at what is actually there. It’s fine if you think you are wiser than the evidence. When the data reveals that you are wrong, you can take comfort in knowing that you are wiser, while the rest of us are busy seeking the truth.

New Mexico Lee

February 13th, 2012
3:02 pm

N8, very painful. Can’t tell you how many times I said “What the heck is that”!

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
3:07 pm

Here’s more detail on batting orders from The Book (which digs into actual research on batting orders instead of someone person view of how batting orders should be constructed):

- Put your best hitters in the #2 and #4 spots, with the better slugger hitting cleanup. The leadoff hitter should be of similar quality and have high on-base skills.

- The #3 hitter should be of a lower quality than the 1, 2, and 4 hitters because he comes up in lower leverage situations on average (ie, he comes up more often with 2 outs and nobody on). In fact, the #5 hitter gets the higher overall run value chances vs the #3 hitter.

- The #3 hitter faces the most double play situations.

- Leverage your good baserunners by putting them in front of good hitters, regardless of their power numbers. Ideally, the hitter should be one who puts the ball in play a lot and hits a lot of singles and doubles.

- In attempting to optimize the batting order, any single lineup alteration is likely to result in a only a very small gain (usually less than one run over the course of an entire season).

This is from the following post: http://nomaas.org/2010/02/batting-order-for-geeks/

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
3:10 pm

Don’t try to make this about me.
…you can take comfort in knowing that you are wiser, while the rest of us are busy seeking the truth.

There’s a flaw in this logic as well.

TommyP

February 13th, 2012
3:10 pm

McFann: Huge Vince Gill fan here. Big fan of “Pocket Full of Gold” CD.

I’ve been told by a few people not to rent “Drive.” I still probably will ’cause too many people are now talking about it. LOL

I simply don’t get how anyone could’ve sat through “Tree of Life”, however. 40 minutes I’ll never get back.

We need some baseball.

On that note, any avid fantasy baseball players interested in an NL only keeper league? Let me know…

N8

February 13th, 2012
3:12 pm

“Some guys are just naturally gifted. I know this 16 year old who is an absolute prodigy. He can shred with the best of them. And I don’t think he even tries that hard.”

Yeah. I used to jam with a guy in high school that the Marines BEGGED him to join so he could be in their traveling band and he passed. Didn’t care. Now he does session work at Paisley Park in Minneapolis and other session/commercial gigs. But that dude NEVER learned the tunes. Just listened to them a few times, always had to be reminded of the key it was in and was the best player in our band. Made me want to punch him.

Johnny Lang is from Fargo only a couple hundred miles from me. And I used to go watch him as a 15-16 year old at a local bar. I’m not a huge fan of what he’s done as a “famous” artist. But at that time it was simply amazing to see a kid that young play. In fact that’s how he was billed. “Kid Johnny Lang”.

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
3:13 pm

Read The Book, ncscoots and TennesseePaul.

I own the book. Bought it when it came out. Read it as well. If I recall correctly, scoots has as well.
You need to learn to tame your wild assumptions of others.

DAP

February 13th, 2012
3:15 pm

shaun The #3 hitter should be of a lower quality than the 1, 2, and 4 hitters because he comes up in lower leverage situations on average (ie, he comes up more often with 2 outs and nobody on).

scoots says with decent OBP at 1 and 2, the #3 hitter comes up with a runner on and only 1 out about 57% of the time in the first inning.

also, wouldnt putting a worse hitter at #3 hurt the impact of a good hitter at #4?

I have always been skeptical of batting order data and simulations, because they use numbers compiled from players who are batting in a conventional batting order. it seems impossible to make these generalizations without specific players being considered.

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
3:16 pm

@Jeffrey D

“Not all the pros. A lot of the stuff that makes it to the radio is garbage.”

Co-Sign on that post….

Ray

February 13th, 2012
3:16 pm

In filling out a batting order, yes you go on data and stats etc. But also you go on feel. Ask any manager about filling out a batting order and you will see they do look at data but its also about feel. You cannot get that by any book.

Murph

February 13th, 2012
3:18 pm

When the data reveals that you are wrong, you can take comfort in knowing that you are wiser, while the rest of us are busy seeking the truth.

How wonderfully Branch-Davidian of you….

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
3:21 pm

@N8

You can’t beat no old Alice N Chains, Soundgarden, Greta, Gwar, Crowbar, and old Henry Rollins…

All of that is good stuff…

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
3:22 pm

Don in TN

Thanks for the link! I’ll check that out…

TommyP

CooL! I’ll have to look at that album…”Guitar Slinger” is the only one of his I own so far, but I definitely want to buy more…

We need some baseball.

That we do! :)

Lollygagger

February 13th, 2012
3:22 pm

The #3 hitter should be of a lower quality than the 1, 2, and 4 hitters because he comes up in lower leverage situations on average (ie, he comes up more often with 2 outs and nobody on).

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe there is only on first inning of every game… Meaning the above situation of the 3-hole hitter coming up with 2 outs and no one on really only happens once game. And that’s assuming the first two batters recorded outs. Speaking in typical terms, of course. That’s essentially like saying you’re leadoff hitter has to be best on base and speed guy to set the table every inning…when in fact the leadoff hitter typically leads off an inning only once a game. Maybe twice, but not at any great pattern. Baseball is a game of adjustments and variables, not a math equation etched in stone. Just my take, tho. No right or wrong opinions, I suppose.

Lew

February 13th, 2012
3:22 pm

“Read The Book”

Shaun the Evangelical. Have you heard The Word?.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
3:23 pm

The “logic” of many on here: It seems like the sun is going around the earth. I think I’ll believe what it seems to me, rather than what the data and evidence strongly suggests and the scientists who have researched the motion of planets and suns over the centuries. No, what things seem to me is all that matters. I’m wiser than all that other stuff. I’ll believe my own little fairytales over all that other stuff. All that other stuff just boring and isn’t romantic and some geeks who live in their mothers’ basements probably thought up that the earth revolves around the sun, so therefore I’m not going to believe it. I don’t want to seem like a geek. I don’t want to go against the macho club. Therefore, ain’t no way I’m believing all that junk that science and evidence and data strongly suggests is true. I can’t be no sissy or be like no northern elitist homo.

Tomahawkin

February 13th, 2012
3:23 pm

I have been on that old Counting Crows Tip as well as old STP and Montley Crue as well…Good Stuff

Don in TN

February 13th, 2012
3:24 pm

McFann, that was in the early 80s. Vince was the one in the picture with the long hair! Hope you like the bluegrass, it’s my favorite kind of music.

RHR

February 13th, 2012
3:24 pm

I didn’t watch last night, but my wife said it was hard to watch at times.

*Drops beaker*

Wife?!

:lol:

Hi scoots and nolie and em.

ColoradoBravesFan

February 13th, 2012
3:25 pm

Holy Jesus,

Shaun you are telling people to read a book that at the very end states batting orders are …”any single line up alteration is likely to result in a only a very small gain (usually less than one run over the course of an entire season).”

Seriously, your idea of truth is one run extra over 162 game season? I would guess the human element is much more important than that. Things like a professional clubhouse, limiting outside distractions, not throwing players under the bus….wanting to play for a certain manager.

Why can’t you admit that your “data” in some cases is totally useless. OBP is great much better than BA. But there are very few folks that want to read a book to squeeze one more run out per season. Baseball is entertainment….

Lew

February 13th, 2012
3:27 pm

Maybe more Illuminati than Evangelist?

Ray

February 13th, 2012
3:30 pm

I myself am not saying data is not useful. You will find managers on every level will utilize data to a certain level. But you will also find that every one of them will use their own gut feeling, hunch etc in filling out a lineup.

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
3:32 pm

Don in TN

Good song! Thanks for posting it. I like the harmony a lot…

Vince was the one in the picture with the long hair!

:lol: That is hilarious…

Murph

February 13th, 2012
3:33 pm

Shaun, do you refer to your home as “the compound”? Do you wear sweat suits all the time with white Nikes?

Lew

February 13th, 2012
3:34 pm

Murph – Let’s hope he’s not armed.

Sopheee

February 13th, 2012
3:35 pm

Might be a good time to talk to Athletics about Seth Smith.

Our blind squirrel’s a trouble maker.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
3:36 pm

Murph, do you go around making sure people know you ain’t no dad gum intellectual sissy and that you don’t want no part of no science or no math or no logic? Seems that’s the goal of you and at least a few others who frequently comment here.

Sopheee

February 13th, 2012
3:39 pm

If it snows tonight, it better be enough to shut down work tomorrow. No wimpy flurries.

Lew

February 13th, 2012
3:40 pm

Murph – Not sweat suits – straight jackets.

Ray

February 13th, 2012
3:40 pm

Shaun, just so I know clearly where you are coming from, are you saying that a lineup should be strictly on data or are you saying it should be just part of the element?

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
3:41 pm

…really falling apart today.

DAP

February 13th, 2012
3:48 pm

shaun if it werent for people like you just insulted, questioning the conclusions of others, there would be no science, nor would there be this research you keep referencing.

you are closed minded. you defer to your “gods” who have done research for you, without allowing for any questions about such things.

one mathematical assertion you have yet to respond to is that a #3 hitter with just decent OBP guys matting in front of him, will come up to bat with a runner on base and less than 2 outs 57% of the time in the first inning. not to mention in the 43% that they are up with 2 out and no one on, they are the last chance for the team to get something going in the inning. thats kindof important, no?

so answer some of the factual issues folk have presented, dont resort to insults.

could it be that some of your stances on batting order are based more on philosophy than anything else?

Lew

February 13th, 2012
3:58 pm

The Book has shown him the way. All who do not believe are heretics.

DAP

February 13th, 2012
3:58 pm

”any single line up alteration is likely to result in a only a very small gain (usually less than one run over the course of an entire season).”

i dont actually believe that either. perhaps any reasonable lineup only changes results slightly, but i could put together some terrible lineups that i can bet would be significantly worse than others. thats one problem with folks saying “lineups dont matter to run scoring…” they dont even know that. i have yet to see a decent lineup simulation, even if they could actually tell you anything.

i contend the only way to know is to do it, for real. simulations dont work.

doug

February 13th, 2012
3:58 pm

N8

This is a great honour, because this record was a special record for our band. Rather than go to the best studio in the world down the street in Hollywood and rather than use all of the fanciest computers that money can buy, we made this one in my garage with some microphones and a tape machine…

“To me this award means a lot because it shows that the human element of music is what’s important. Singing into a microphone and learning to play an instrument and learning to do your craft, that’s the most important thing for people to do.

“It’s not about being perfect, it’s not about sounding absolutely correct, it’s not about what goes on in a computer. It’s about what goes on in here [your heart] and what goes on in here [your head].”

From Dave Grohl’s acceptance speech last night, awesome.

CB

February 13th, 2012
3:59 pm

Soph, we could trade Marteeen for him. LOL

Ray

February 13th, 2012
4:01 pm

I am guessing my question is requiring research or the answer might be in a book.

Lew

February 13th, 2012
4:01 pm

CB – They’d probably want Jurrfjens and a top prospect, too.

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
4:03 pm

CB Soph, we could trade Marteeen for him.

Fire in the hole!!…

Hillbilly

February 13th, 2012
4:04 pm

If it snows tonight, it better be enough to shut down work tomorrow. No wimpy flurries. –Sophee

We got about 15 minutes of sleet and then 6 hours of rain. It was pretty much useless.

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
4:05 pm

TommyP

I’ve been listening to samples from “Pocket Full of Gold”…this just may be the next CD I get…

Thanks for the good steer! :)

Murph

February 13th, 2012
4:05 pm

Murph, do you go around making sure people know you ain’t no dad gum intellectual sissy and that you don’t want no part of no science or no math or no logic?

I do, only with better grammar. Well, actually, just the science part… unfortunately math and logic are a part of my everyday life, but that doesn’t keep me from picking on others who walk around pounding their nerdy chests, trying to cram their math and logic down the throats of others.

Mister Frisky

February 13th, 2012
4:05 pm

Nate and Murph,Van Halen at Gazzari’s on the strip in 76.Also go to YouTube there is a cover Rainbows Man on the Silver Mountain from some backyard party in 75.As for the Braves when Oakland is a player and your not you’ve hit rock bottom.Last place.

Sopheee

February 13th, 2012
4:06 pm

TROUBLE. MAKER.

I’ll let that one slide, CB.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
4:09 pm

I do, only with better grammar.

:-)

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
4:13 pm

RHR, I meant to say “howdy” earlier, but I was overcome by the joyous trembling that beset me when your moniker appeared. :-)

Howdy. Damn good to see you.

Ray

February 13th, 2012
4:14 pm

I doubt if anyone on here would say that there is not a place for data spit out by a computer etc. But there are so many other factors that go into the game that you cannot get from a computer. So if you include data with your gut feelings and other factors then you have a good chance of putting together a pretty good lineup. And one final thing, I think the A’s in the 70’s 72-74 did a pretty good job putting together a lineup without a computer.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
4:17 pm

Ray, I would be happy if more managers didn’t throw away the number two spot in the order as often as they do. And if they didn’t only focus on speed in the leadoff spot. I think those two things are the biggest problems with what managers tend to do versus what would help them. That would be a huge step, if managers didn’t just go with a bunter who can move runners over and actually put a good all-around hitter in the number two spot.

You think about it in any sort of reasonable fashion, it’s counterproductive to put simply a guy who is going to make outs and advance runners in the number two spot. Your leadoff guy gets on, why not go with a guy who can get on and has a good shot at an extra-base hit, so that you don’t need a sacrifice there? And if the leadoff hitter doesn’t get on, you need a good hitter up next, not some superior bunter whose only other skill is hitting the ball weakly to the right side.

DAP, the 57% is based on the assumption that you have two .350 OBP guys each hitting in the first and second spots. That doesn’t have much to do with building an optimal lineup. In other words, just because the number three hitter has a 57% chance to come up with at least one runner on and less than two outs, doesn’t mean the optimal lineup is to have one of your best hitters batting third. All that tells us is that two .350 OBP in the first two spots gives the number three hitter a 57% chance to hit with a runner on base and less than two outs; nothing more than that and nothing less than that. Tells us nothing about the optimal way to put 9 guys into a batting order.

Ray

February 13th, 2012
4:22 pm

Shaun, managers do for the most part put a productive high on base % guy in the #2 spot. My question to you earlier in case you missed it was, are you saying that a lineup should be based strictly on what the computer says or is it a part of it?

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
4:23 pm

i dont actually believe that either. perhaps any reasonable lineup only changes results slightly, but i could put together some terrible lineups that i can bet would be significantly worse than others.

To be fair, this assertion is based on the same 9 being re-arranged. Assuming you are putting your best 9 out there, over the long haul, the significance of the order they are in is minimized. And that too is assuming an “average” team. The fluctuations will be more pronounced on specific applications. Like last year, a line up beginning with our pitchers, followed by Seabass, and so on, implemented the entire season would have yielded even worse than the crappy offensive output the team managed to squeak out.

kenhotlanta

February 13th, 2012
4:31 pm

It’s a shame Glen Campbell is not well enough to participate in the Beach Boys 50th Anniversary hoopla, because he played and toured with them as a young session man right before he signed a record deal with Capitol Records and became a big star. He is considered an outstanding guitar player, too, and did back then what Vince Gill does now. In fact their careers have lots of similarities.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
4:31 pm

Ray, we don’t really have differing views. I like to push the buttons of those that are annoyed by anyone who looks into data and evidence relating to baseball. Some think because a baseball team should take into account more than just data, that means we should ignore if not ridicule the data and the folks who study the data of baseball. Use both. Accept both. Embrace both. Don’t ridicule those who use and pay attention to data simply because data is not enough. No one is saying data is enough.

In my experience the people who use and pay attention to data are much more accepting of the fact that data is not enough than the anti-data folks are of the folks who use data and the data itself.

Look at this whole discussion. You bring up that the data strongly suggest the number two hitter should be one of your best hitters, and they ridicule that idea and they ridicule you for bringing it up. But you bring up that you need both data and you need to consider other factors independent of any data and I agree. Which side is more reasonable and is probably more right? The folks who are anti-data or the folks like me who want all information, whether it’s data or info independent of data?

Bayou Brave

February 13th, 2012
4:33 pm

Ef-ing brick wall

Sopheee

February 13th, 2012
4:35 pm

Free brick February! Get ‘em while they’re hot.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
4:35 pm

Ray, a computer, data, evidence, whatever you want to call it, should be a consideration, along with lots of other information. I’m not anti-information, like quite a few on here.

For the most part, the sabermetric crowd understands that it’s wise to use more than just metrics, in addition to metrics. But the anti-sabermetric, for the most part, wants to limit the use of pertinent information, namely the metrics. The sabermetric crowd is much more inclusive than the anti-sabermetric crowd.

Braveone

February 13th, 2012
4:36 pm

From the previous blog which had 3,705 comments, cabravesfan led the way with 253 posts. There were 217 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:

Rank Poster Frequency

1 cabravesfan 253
2 nolie 224
3 Venice Jim 195
4 Shaun 139
5 ncscoots 132
6 McFann O O o 122
7 Tom O’Hawke 114
8 ChattTownBrian (CTB) 112
9 DS1 101
10 tiger297 90
11 jeffrey d 81
12 Lew 78
13 Tomahawkin (The Godfather) 78
14 TennesseePaul 77
15 richbrave 77
16 David O’Brien 75
17 Ease 73
18 Efrim 73
19 N8 70
20 Ward 69
21 kenhotlanta 66
22 brian 60
23 Murph 53
24 MFin04 52
25 Sopheee 48

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
4:36 pm

and they ridicule that idea and they ridicule you for bringing it up.

Please point out the posts in which either the idea or you, personally, were “ridiculed”. Has anyone called you bad names today? No. Has anyone done anything but put forth a premise that might refute yours? No. Remove your sackcloth and ashes,. fercrissake.

Geezus,it’s a good thing I’m in too good a mood for a brick-wall fest, LOL.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
4:39 pm

I’m #1! Back at the top :D

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
4:40 pm

scoots, There you go again, cribbing notes. I had that post pending.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
4:41 pm

ncscoots, who said anything about personal ridicule? It’s more like anything related to metrics should be thrown out. Not personal ridicule. It’s more ridicule of anything related to metrics for the sake of ridiculing anything related to metrics. It’s not about taking into account as much information as possible to formulate a thought, idea, opinion, etc., in this case coming up with an optimal lineup.

Sopheee

February 13th, 2012
4:41 pm

I’m 25, I’m 25!

TommyP

February 13th, 2012
4:41 pm

McFann: It is a good one. I break it out from time to time and it never disappoints. The other one I own is, “I Still Believe in You.” If the CD isn’t called that, that’s the biggest hit on it. Classic song.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
4:42 pm

I’m #1! Back at the top

Well, when I saw I was top 5, I knew it was time to let Shaun dogs lie, LOL. Good grief.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
4:43 pm

ncscoots, who said anything about personal ridicule?

You did:

“and they ridicule that idea and they ridicule you for bringing it up”

Rabid Rascal

February 13th, 2012
4:44 pm

My music taste is pretty heavy but if you want to check out some bands that I am into are Kyng, Five Finger Death Punch, and Staind. There are some awesome musicians in each band in different ways.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
4:44 pm

TennPaul, great minds, etc. Ha!

nolie

February 13th, 2012
4:45 pm

DOB I think you are getting a bit more negative take than what I meant about Drive. as I said I thought it was a good movie, just not quite a top ten of the year movie myself. and I thought it was a kinduva mediocre year for movies overall too I guess.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
4:46 pm

Ray, I actually posted a lineup based purely on the Braves ZiPS projections and on what studies suggest is an optimal lineup. But then I also posted a lineup that takes into account all that to some degree but was more traditional, that wouldn’t cause the uproar of an outside the box, analytic type lineup. Would I even bother if I was only concerned with data or making a lineup out by computer or whatever? I’m all about taking into account as much info as can be gathered. If only others thought this way, maybe any idea folks like me and a few others wouldn’t be immediately ridiculed.

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
4:46 pm

scoots, you know it’s gettin’ close to ball time. Everything starts lining up.

Ray

February 13th, 2012
4:47 pm

Shaun, I just wanted to make sure I was reading your post clearly. And yes data is important when filling out a lineup. For those that have actually filled a lineup above the LL level know that data does come into play along with what I will call the human element—gut feelings, conversations you have with your players and coaches and yes even plain ol’ hunches.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
4:48 pm

Chipper hit better in the three, five and six hole than he did in the second hole last season, though other than third they were all pretty small sample sizes

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
4:49 pm

TennPaul, roger that, my friend. Shaun will have us in mid-season form by March 1. Assuming our heads don’t explode first. :-)

But I forget: he enjoys “pushing buttons” and so forth. Just doesn’t seem to care much for the reaction from doing so. Go figure.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
4:50 pm

Everyone watches and enjoys watching baseball in different ways. There is no “right” way to do it. There is no “wrong” way. There is just “a” way.

Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)

February 13th, 2012
4:52 pm

Dang, I didn’t make the top 25………….again :)

abeeewright

February 13th, 2012
4:52 pm

I see we’re back to batting orders. Yee-hah.

Can someone explain the logic of hitting Alex Gonzalez at 2 for about 1/3 of the year?

Is there any book, including the Necronomicon or The King in Yellow, wherein that could be justified?

Hillbilly

February 13th, 2012
4:52 pm

It’s not the stats or the philosphy of it all that bothers me. It’s the presentation of it. It aggravates the p!ss out of me when the Clubhouse Confidential commercial comes on and Brian Kenney condescends the ever-loving $### out of me, insinuating that I’m lower than him because I’m not a “thinking-man.” Sometimes this blog is like watching that commercial on a continuous loop.

I try to stay open-minded about the stats movement and I’ve actually come around to some of it,…but don’t sit there and talk down to me like I’ve got some type of learning disability. This isn’t One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. It isn’t a brand-new world for us. Most of us have been playing this game since we were 5 years old.

If I show up at a rodeo ready to do some bull-riding, then you can condescend until you’re blue in the face, because I don’t know a damn thing about it, and I could probably use a little knowledge about the craft…plus I’ll probably deserve the ridicule, because I would more than likely be drunk.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
4:53 pm

Thank God the Braves were NOT in the Cespedes race. This guy is no more a sure thing than a good college player who would be making 500K or less (much less while in the minors) during the entire time that he will be making 9mil per year.
With their history it amazes me that the As were willing to risk that;and truthfully with their very spotty record of drafting the last few years I wonder even more

DAP

February 13th, 2012
4:53 pm

shaun just because the number three hitter has a 57% chance to come up with at least one runner on and less than two outs, doesn’t mean the optimal lineup is to have one of your best hitters batting third.

but you said that a #3 hitter will bat often with no one on and 2 out. thats not true, based on the 57%.

dont miss my point. i havent given an opinion on #3 being the spot for you best hitter. im just the assertion you use to justify your stance is false.

simple probability (as scoots calls it) proves you are wrong.

CB

February 13th, 2012
4:57 pm

Hillbilly,great summation. Always be willing to learn but always question the teacher,especially the one who is dogmatic.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
4:58 pm

Ray, I think it will take a while for players to come around and more or less keep the same basic approach no matter where they hit in the lineup. I think this is a big reason why it’s probably not wise to stray too far from a traditional lineup these days. If you put one of your great hitters number two and he’s a veteran, there’s a chance he’s going to view himself as a guy who should go up there mostly looking to move the runner, sacrifice himself or be a table-setter. That’s where the human element comes in that is independent of any data or studies about optimal lineups.

ncscoots

February 13th, 2012
4:59 pm

insinuating that I’m lower than him because I’m not a “thinking-man.”

You’re a caveman, dude. Live with it. :-)

It does honk me a little that, with an opportunity to broaden knowledge, MLBN chooses to further the image of saber-centric fans as put-upon victims of anti-intellectuality. Poor choice.

And I fer sure know what Ken Caminiti would’ve called ‘em.

RC

February 13th, 2012
4:59 pm

Thank God the Braves were NOT in the Cespedes race. This guy is no more a sure thing than a good college player who would be making 500K or less (much less while in the minors) during the entire time that he will be making 9mil per year.

While that’s a true statement, it’s not like you can just pick up that type of college player whenever you need one…a team gets a limited number of shots at them with draft picks and signing bonuses. So while Cepedes might not be a better deal than a good college hitter who is a high draft pick, he could very easily be a better deal than many hitters on the free agent market.

Murph

February 13th, 2012
5:01 pm

I’d be more than happy to personally ridicule you if you’d like, Shaun. Just let me know.

It’s not because I can’t argue the counterpoint of your assumptions, I’ve just learned that it’s an exercise in futility and prefer to attack the messenger rather than the message.

I guess we all like to push buttons…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:01 pm

Dang, I didn’t make the top 25………….again…coach

and we are all soooo grateful……….
Shaun was only 4th but all 139 posts were the same subject…….

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
5:03 pm

DAP, that’s 57% if the top two hitters are .350 OBP guys, first of all. Second of all, is 57% often compared to other hitters? Say you have .350 OBP guys in the top two spots and a .340 OBP guy third. What are the chances that the number four hitter hits with at least one runner on and less than two outs?

abeeewright

February 13th, 2012
5:04 pm

It looks like I’ll have to go back a few pages to see what all the line up buzz is about.

My 2 cents.

Get your high OBP guys at the top of the line up. Get your sluggers in the middle. Bury your AGons and JWilson’s down there with the pitcher.

When in doubt, put the faster guy ahead of the tractor trailer. If you have a high OBP guy who’s also a slugger, put him towards the early middle, unless you have 8 other AGons in the line-up. Then, bat him lead off.

If you have a young guy who’s potentially inconsistent, bat him towards the bottom of the order until you can figure out his strengths.

A great base-stealer who cannot get on base … put him at the bottom if you have to play him at all.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:04 pm

500K
9 mil
not any kind of good comparison and at 9mil he is really unlikely to be a better deal than many free agents or trade possibilities
and what in hell does Oakland need him for anyway?

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
5:05 pm

TommyP The other one I own is, “I Still Believe in You.” If the CD isn’t called that, that’s the biggest hit on it. Classic song.

I’ve heard a clip of that song, too. I totally want that one…I almost bought the 20th Century Masters Vince Gill CD, which has that song on it. But it’s price has been going down on Amazon, so I’m just kinda waiting a bit to see if it goes below $9… :P

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:06 pm

if he is a bust it will likely pound the “death nail” in Billy’s rep…….. ;)

abeeewright

February 13th, 2012
5:07 pm

Shaun, February 13th, 2012, 4:58 pm … “If you put one of your great hitters number two and he’s a veteran, there’s a chance he’s going to view himself as a guy who should go up there mostly looking to move the runner, sacrifice himself or be a table-setter.”

This boggles my tiny little mind. I always ask, at times like these, how Ted Williams would approach hitting second. Would he try to move the runner over – maybe lay down a bunt? Or would he hit the ball with authority wherever he could?

Methinks the latter.

abeeewright

February 13th, 2012
5:09 pm

Angels overpaid for Princess. As overpaid for Cespedes.

God love ‘em, but it makes the NL East a little bit easier for the Braves.

RC

February 13th, 2012
5:10 pm

500K
9 mil

Sorry, you aren’t going to sign a drafted player of his caliber for 500k. He’s likely a top-10 draft pick if he was in the draft….that’s easily over $2 mil, and of the top 7 only Trevor Bauer signed for under $5 million. Oakland certainly paid a lot for him, but there is still a chance he outperforms his contract. There is a good bit of risk there also, which is why they are able to sign him for a number that he might outperform.

RC

February 13th, 2012
5:12 pm

if he is a bust it will likely pound the “death nail” in Billy’s rep……

Completely agree. Beane has not done much in quite a while now…I know he’s working with limited resources, but if this blows up on him it’s going to be hard to cry poor.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:14 pm

if you put a great hitter second and your leadoff hitter runs a lot you are gonna have him taking some good pitches which would be a waste
I have THE BOOK too, it makes some interesting points but it is ALL just theory and should be treated as such not as absolute truth
Shaun is obviously a believer that you can fool some of the folks all of the time by simply repeating the same thang 139 times in a few days………

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
5:14 pm

Ray, I actually posted a lineup based purely on the Braves ZiPS projections and on what studies suggest is an optimal lineup. But then I also posted a lineup that takes into account all that to some degree but was more traditional, that wouldn’t cause the uproar of an outside the box, analytic type lineup. Would I even bother if I was only concerned with data or making a lineup out by computer or whatever? I’m all about taking into account as much info as can be gathered. If only others thought this way, maybe any idea folks like me and a few others wouldn’t be immediately ridiculed. — Shaun

In other words, if layman and simple folks could think on your level, then you would be recognized for the brilliant baseball tactician that you are.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:16 pm

Sorry, you aren’t going to sign a drafted player of his caliber for 500k. He’s likely a top-10 draft pick if he was in the draft….that’s easily over $2 mil

c’mon man that is 5mill plus 500k at the MOST for four years or 7 mil. Ces will make 30% again that in just one year

DAP

February 13th, 2012
5:18 pm

shaun that’s 57% if the top two hitters are .350 OBP guys, first of all.

since we are assuming your lineup philosophy, its likely that both the #1 and #2 hitters will have a higher than .350 OBP, it would be even more often than 57% of the time.

as far as the #3 hitters OBP and what that means for the #4, ill let scoots get that, if he wants. it was his formula. im not sure what that has to do with the #3 hitter though.

bottom line i, the claim you used to justify not batting one of your better hitters 3rd is false.

David O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
5:23 pm


This is a great honour, because this record was a special record for our band. Rather than go to the best studio in the world down the street in Hollywood and rather than use all of the fanciest computers that money can buy, we made this one in my garage with some microphones and a tape machine…

“To me this award means a lot because it shows that the human element of music is what’s important. Singing into a microphone and learning to play an instrument and learning to do your craft, that’s the most important thing for people to do.

“It’s not about being perfect, it’s not about sounding absolutely correct, it’s not about what goes on in a computer. It’s about what goes on in here [your heart] and what goes on in here [your head].”

From Dave Grohl’s acceptance speech last night, awesome.doug

Agreed. Loved that moment, that speech coming from someone so accomplished.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:25 pm

in a very general sense a 10 point difference in OBP puts an “average” guy on base 5 or 6 more times in a year, right?

abeeewright

February 13th, 2012
5:27 pm

nolie, February 13th, 2012, 5:14 pm … “if you put a great hitter second and your leadoff hitter runs a lot you are gonna have him taking some good pitches which would be a waste”

Would be interesting to crunch some numbers (not so interesting that I’m actually going to do it) on how many good pitches a base-stealer costs the batter and how many good pitches result in a quality offensive event.

Add those missing offensive events to the outs given up when a runner is caught stealing, and it makes the “steal attempt” even less desirable.

Add in the fact that it encourages folks to put a lesser hitter in the two spot. How many extra outs and feeble balls in play does that add per season? How many bunts are attempted by a mediocre #2 batter that would never be considered with a quality hitter at the plate?

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
5:27 pm

DOB, no. It doesn’t take a “brilliant tactician” to read through and grasp all the info on an optimal lineup. All it takes is some acceptance of what is there instead of being anti-”sabermetric” or anti anything that can be construed as sabermetric. I think that’s what this is all about, in all honesty.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:30 pm

what is there is THEORY Shaun, not proven fact, and even your gurus say that it makes almost no difference anyway, and for that you say the same thing hundreds of times like it is really a big important difference :?

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
5:33 pm

DAP, you may be thinking I’m saying that you should just hit any ol’ random hitter 3rd. No. I think the number three hitters should be one of your better hitters. I just don’t think he should be one of your three best all-around hitters.

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
5:34 pm

nolie, I agree. Can we discuss the Goldstein interview on Atlanta Baseball Talk, anyone?

TennesseePaul

February 13th, 2012
5:36 pm

Say you have .350 OBP guys in the top two spots and a .340 OBP guy third. What are the chances that the number four hitter hits with at least one runner on and less than two outs?

Well this is a tad bit surprising… Payne, this is a probability function. You should be able to answer this yourself. You know how to calculate that, correct?

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
5:37 pm

nolie, only a few folks on here would dispute what an in-depth study based on lots of data suggests (well, maybe not a few). I’m not sure why I bother engaging those folks, other than sometimes it’s fun to push peoples’ buttons. Time to move on.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:39 pm

other than sometimes it’s fun to push peoples’ buttons. …Shaun

I can understand that part quite well ;)

nolie

February 13th, 2012
5:43 pm

in that function though you can not assume that all three occurrences are independent of each other, but I’m not sure how you could figure an amount one way or t’other??

Jbailz

February 13th, 2012
5:53 pm

DOB – After skimming the comments I looked up Van Halen’s new single (if you can call it that) Tattoo and that as Charles Barkley would say was Turrible, absolutely turrible… I couldn’t listen past the first 30 seconds…

Shaun

February 13th, 2012
6:01 pm

nolie, basically, it all comes down to whether I want to trust someone coming onto a blog and posting comments, when it comes to optimizing a lineup? And the extent of their posts about the subject is basically “it’s always been done this way” or “you can’t just make a lineup with a computer.” Or do I want to trust three guys who skeptically looked at the issue and studied it in great detail, in an in-depth manner? I’ve got no reason to believe the three guys who studied the issue manipulated the data to reach a certain conclusion as part of some grand conspiracy to show that the best hitters should bat leadoff, second and fourth. But many are paranoid conspiracy theorists with foil on their heads who think every sabermetrician is out to turn us into communists or something. I’m not sure exactly what the anti-sabermetric crowd is thinking, especially at this point in the game.

richbrave

February 13th, 2012
6:06 pm

SHAUN:

That the ’saber’ folks are dangerous? Just the name begs for pointed references.Heh!

Murph

February 13th, 2012
6:07 pm

But many are paranoid conspiracy theorists with foil on their heads who think every sabermetrician is out to turn us into communists or something.

Or perhaps they don’t care about this stuff as much as you do and, like you, enjoy pushing buttons…

richbrave

February 13th, 2012
6:08 pm

If you haven’t read CARROLL’s article on her trip to CUBA, do so. Good stuff.

richbrave

February 13th, 2012
6:10 pm

Think February 19th. Let’s go BRAVES.

Derek

February 13th, 2012
6:13 pm

For those of you stating that shoulder problems, look at Roy Halladay who went on the DL twice for such problems, never having surgery, earlier in his career while with TOR. He, too, had to make adjustments, and became an elite pitcher from a big pitcher with a lot of upside. I hope for better results from Hanson’s adjustments.

abeeewright

February 13th, 2012
6:20 pm

I’m pretty sure Fredo has read the conclusion “batting order doesn’t make a significant difference in run production” and decided to bat Alex Gonzalez second just to push sabermaticians’ buttons.

Murph

February 13th, 2012
6:24 pm

You’re assuming Fredo can read… that’s a bit of a leap.

I saw one of his lineup cards for sale in the MLB.com auction… instead of names in each spot he had drawn pictures of each guy.

It was hard to tell who was who… except for BMac. That was pretty obvious.

New Mexico Lee

February 13th, 2012
6:33 pm

McFann in 5, 4, 3 ….

abeeewright

February 13th, 2012
6:43 pm

Murph @ 6:24 … <g>

CB

February 13th, 2012
6:50 pm

Catcher’s mask,right?

abeeewright

February 13th, 2012
7:09 pm

It’s such a sad thing when blog dies so young.

Alas, poor “Pitchers and catchers report soon, Hanson without hitch.” I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. He hath bore me on his back a thousand times, and now how abhorr’d in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it.

New Mexico Lee

February 13th, 2012
7:12 pm

WOW, I think I hear taps in the distance.

New Mexico Lee

February 13th, 2012
7:18 pm

Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
7:25 pm

forget Taps,our bugler needs to sound out with Boots and Saddles and get this place going again

richbrave

February 13th, 2012
7:27 pm

From the tenure of the last few posts, I guess we had better mail in any post-season chances we had now. Wow!

richbrave

February 13th, 2012
7:28 pm

I wants me JOE FRAZIER.

richbrave

February 13th, 2012
7:28 pm

Enter your comments here

nolie

February 13th, 2012
7:29 pm

yup, gonna be battlin’ the Mutts and the ‘Stros for last place in the NL. Bank on it!!!

Bravo_F 52

February 13th, 2012
7:37 pm

We’ll never win the World Series like that I say we have as good a shot as anybody If we only had some pitching

jeffrey d

February 13th, 2012
7:40 pm

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
7:42 pm

hey look a pre little one bedtime post….this doesn’t happen often for me

Soph

February 13th, 2012
7:46 pm

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
7:49 pm

not quite yet soph…btw happy birthday young lady

Soph

February 13th, 2012
7:53 pm

Just trying to make it be March, tiger.

Thank you for the early birthday wish. You’re the first one so far in 2012.

Soph

February 13th, 2012
7:53 pm

Then again, my birthday isn’t for another 5 months. :-D

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
7:54 pm

well don’t tell your significant other I beat him to it

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
7:54 pm

for that matter don’t tell mine either

Soph

February 13th, 2012
7:56 pm

Your secret is safe with me. Just don’t forget her b’day.

Ray

February 13th, 2012
7:59 pm

I stepped away from here for a few hours. The bottom line is you cannot put together an optimum lineup strictly 100% by computer/data. There are too many factors that cannot be measured by data for an optimum lineup. I promise you, if there was, teams would be using it. There is not a manager out there that would not be using it. There are human factors that go into making a lineup. One example is the mental aspect of a hitter in a certain spot. I am saying, using data to enhance the manager’s knowledge is important and useful.

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
8:01 pm

its not difficult…I don’t have anything on the 1st of any month and I have something (birthday/anniversary/etc) in all 12 months

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
8:01 pm

its bedtime noww

jeffrey d

February 13th, 2012
8:03 pm

Your secret is safe with me

And the internet

Soph

February 13th, 2012
8:03 pm

Nighty night.

Soph

February 13th, 2012
8:06 pm

jeffrey can keep a secret too so it’s safe with him too.

George

February 13th, 2012
8:09 pm

DOB’s two recent blogs , one on where to go during ST, the other CHIPPERS first ST sure are getting us ready for season. But I sure wish we were going to have a good team.

jeffrey d

February 13th, 2012
8:11 pm

And that’s my cue to exit

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
8:12 pm

Wives should never trust any man named tiger.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
8:13 pm

I wouldn’t trust a hawk either… ;)

nolie

February 13th, 2012
8:14 pm

Is tiger married now??

nolie

February 13th, 2012
8:15 pm

on the other hand a guy named no lie should be totally trustworthy, kinda like Honest Jack the used car dealer perhaps

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
8:15 pm

You’re right & no

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
8:16 pm

Actually, anyone with an animal name is a bit sketchy to me… ;)

nolie

February 13th, 2012
8:18 pm

so Jake the Snake is dubious cab?

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
8:18 pm

nolie-

ESPECIALLY snakes…highly sketchy creatures :)

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
8:19 pm

nolie

February 13th, 2012
8:21 pm

I trust Stanley….

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
8:23 pm

cabravesfan, you can tell VJ that Carroll thanked him for his comment.

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
8:24 pm

What the heck is up with DOB’s Twitter page…?

nolie

February 13th, 2012
8:26 pm

only birds twitter……

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
8:26 pm

nolie-

Thats because you and Stanley have a Special Bond ;)

Tom-

I will

McFann O O o

February 13th, 2012
8:28 pm

nolie

All except my Bird—he “BWEEPS!”…

ncgary

February 13th, 2012
8:33 pm

trust could be a 4 letter word
if it didn’t have an extra letter

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
8:34 pm

nolie

I was channel surfing the other day, when I came across an episode of The Rifleman. Lucas was in a sleeping bag, but was not moving when morning came. His eyes were wide open, but he wasn’t moving.

Mark finally realized that a snake (rattler) had crawled into his sleeping bag during the night. They didn’t know how to get it out without it biting Lucas.

I kept yelling to Mark, ‘call him Stanley, call him Stanley, he’ll come out’, but Mark wouldn’t listen. It took them the whole 30 minutes to get that snake out. But they finally did, and everyone lived happily ever after.

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
8:45 pm

nolie – you are correct I am not married

MiaBchBravesFan

February 13th, 2012
9:15 pm

If Tiger (Woods) gets married again, he needs to be committed…

To an insane asylum! Happy Pre-Valentine’s Day, denizens!!! :-)

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 13th, 2012
9:18 pm

“Time to move on” Shaun (5:37)

“Mini novel” Shaun (6:01)

20 minutes was too long.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
9:34 pm

slow blog night

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:04 pm

Really slow blog night

Soph

February 13th, 2012
10:04 pm

Adam Levine…oh my.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:09 pm

Soph-

Is that a good “oh my”? because Adam Levine is HOT

Chris Bizzell

February 13th, 2012
10:09 pm

Looking forward to Spring Training. Check out http://www.springtrainingsource.com and their iPhone and iPad apps. Lot’s of information on Braves and places to eat, drink and stay while you taking in the games.

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
10:09 pm

Tom – you were correct that i would enjoy the finale last night…

Soph

February 13th, 2012
10:10 pm

cab – definitely good. He’s smokin’ hot. Wow.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:11 pm

Soph-

Yes. Yes he is. And oddly enough, I seem to forget that and am amazed whenever I see him :D

Soph

February 13th, 2012
10:13 pm

cab – same here! I was just watching The Voice and ended up watching the whole episode because of him.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:14 pm

Soph-

And VJ never minds seeing him with his lady ;) (Also, he is a fan of the music too)

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:15 pm

The two of them together give us both something to…admire :D

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
10:16 pm

Yeah, VJ, that was an impressive grand finale. I watched it twice today, on YouTube.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:20 pm

Tom-

Just out of curiosity, did you notice that it looked like Bruce snapped a guitar string towards the end?

tiger297

February 13th, 2012
10:23 pm

wow its a rough night on the blog when I can keep up

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:23 pm

Soph-

Check your Facebook and PLEASE don’t unfriend me! :D

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
10:25 pm

No, LAdy, I didn’t notice, but I’ll look for that on my next look-see.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:25 pm

Tom-

I’m not 100% sure it happened, but it did look like a string went flying from his general direction…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
10:26 pm

Just drank a Tullamore Dew toast to my dear (and much older friend) George from my Irish pub back in Richmond – while learning of his passing is sad, very nice to have the magic of Facebook to keep me informed on someone I have not seen in almost 10 years…

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
10:28 pm

Sorry, VJ. I’ll raise a beer to him, if it’s OK with you.

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
10:29 pm

Not to mention the magic of YouTube allowing me to listen to my buddies singing a song at the pub…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
10:29 pm

That’s all I ever saw him drink… :)

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
10:33 pm

To George, then…

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:33 pm

Hey- Adam Levine is a Pisces too! Add another to the list of Awesome :D (He is 5 days younger than me)

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:38 pm

SOPH! Come back! Are you still breathing??

nolie

February 13th, 2012
10:41 pm

I have 28 movies that start with the word Big

nolie

February 13th, 2012
10:42 pm

I have 34 movies that start with the word Last

nolie

February 13th, 2012
10:43 pm

I am trying to do my part here………

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:44 pm

VJ is currently listening to one of the local radio stations that is playing every song in their library. Currently on songs that start with “Ballad” :)

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
10:47 pm

Why don’t you go count up all your movies that start with the word The.

nolie

February 13th, 2012
10:47 pm

that’s an interesting programming concept cab

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
10:48 pm

nolie-

They do it once a year- takes about a week and is pretty cool :)

nolie

February 13th, 2012
10:50 pm

cause us catalogimizationers don’t count that word as a start of a title silly

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
10:53 pm

I knew that, nolie. I didn’t know, catalogimizationers, but I did know that. ;)

Sopheee

February 13th, 2012
10:55 pm

cab -my co worker sent me the same thing on my work email last week! I blushed, looked again then sadly hit delete so I don’t get fired.

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
10:56 pm

Ballads of “a Thin Man” and “John and Yoko”…

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
10:58 pm

Did they play, The Ballad of the Green Berets?

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:03 pm

BooRah Barry Sadler

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:05 pm

I’m afraid the good Sgt. did not make the cut – Band on the Run now…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:06 pm

Followed by the late Marc Bolan…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:07 pm

And his tyrannosaurs…

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
11:10 pm

Soph-

They can’t fire you for looking from your home computer ;)

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:11 pm

Tom – I assume you noticed that despite my incessant posting during a certain football game and thereafter that cab and nolie still left me way in the dust on the posting list…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:13 pm

Remember when Cliff decided not to move to Canada after Sam and Frasier sing BOTGB?

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:16 pm

Strangely, I do not remember that – my favorite memory of Frasier quoting a song lyric is when he quotes Wang Chung…

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 13th, 2012
11:16 pm

Got something we can discuss – ME!

I wanna talk about me, wanna talk about I, wanna talk about number ONE, oh my me my – what I think, what I like, what I know, what I want, what I see!

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:20 pm

Brian hitting the muscadine vodka again I see

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

February 13th, 2012
11:22 pm

Somebody has to like me, nolie.

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
11:26 pm

Tom – I assume you noticed that despite my incessant posting during a certain football game and thereafter that cab and nolie still left me way in the dust on the posting list…

And you, me :mad:

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:26 pm

we all like you Brian, you da man

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:28 pm

Hey, during the last couple you might show up 3 nights and blow me away…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:28 pm

cab beat me by 29, I beat Jim by 29, but the Kalifornia contingent did quite well for itself

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:29 pm

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
11:31 pm

I try to make hay while the sun shines, VJ.

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:31 pm

Surprised this made it – Cheech and Chong – Basketball Jones

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:32 pm

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
11:33 pm

What’s the range of years your station covers, VJ? And I’m assuming it’s just hit-singles, right?

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:35 pm

My freshman year we had two roommates on my hall – Michael Hay and Richard Moon – forever known as Mike Hay while the sun shines and Dick Moon before he d#*@s you…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:36 pm

Good grief – top the page with that…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:37 pm

It covers about 45 years, but definitely not just hit singles – fairly free form (Beast of Burden now)…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:38 pm

Beautiful Day…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:39 pm

Monopolization for me on page 13…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:39 pm

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
11:41 pm

One of my father’s golfing buddies was a teacher named, Bob Hiran.

They used to hit him with that Beach Boys’ song, Barbara Ann.

A Bob, Bob, Bob…..Bob, Bob Hiran

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
11:47 pm

Let’s see… what’s coming up next? Or soon? Or at all?

Black Water — Doobie Bros.

cabravesfan

February 13th, 2012
11:47 pm

Love the Beach Boys. Grew up listening to them- the epitome of a Southern California band :)

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:49 pm

Let’s see… what’s coming up next? Or soon? Or at all?

This is what I’ll be doing for the next week…

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
11:50 pm

Pete Van Weiren (sp?) was a big Beach Boys fan. Pete used to play in a rock band.

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
11:51 pm

It’s not the worst way to spend a week, buddy. ;)

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:52 pm

Because…the world is round…

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:54 pm

I tend to focus on waiting for Bruce’s next song…makes it helpful if they don’t get to the Born songs in the middle of the night…

Tom O'Hawke

February 13th, 2012
11:54 pm

At least you can hear the ACTUAL songs. All I can do is read your post with the title. :sad:

Venice Jim

February 13th, 2012
11:55 pm

Speaking of which…Because the NIght… Patti Smith, not Bruce, but, still…

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:55 pm

In May of 1941 the war had just begun
The Germans had the biggest ship that had the biggest guns
The Bismarck was the fastest ship that ever sailed the sea
On her decks were guns as big as steers and shells as big as trees

Out of the cold and foggy night came the British ship the Hood
And every British seaman he knew and understood
They had to sink the Bismarck the terror of the sea
Stop those guns as big as steers and those shells as big as trees
We’ll find the German battleship that’s makin’ such a fuss
We gotta sink the Bismarck cause the world depends on us
Yeah hit the decks a runnin’ boys and spin those guns around
When we find the Bismarck we gotta cut her down

The Hood found the Bismarck and on that fatal day
The Bismarck started firing from fifteen miles away
We gotta sink the Bismarck was the battle sound
But when the smoke and fog had cleared away the mighty Hood went down
For six long days and weary nights they tried to find her trail
Churchill told the people put every ship asail
Cause somewhere on that ocean I know she’s gotta be
We gotta sink the Bismarck to the bottom of the sea
We’ll find the German battleship…

The fog was gone the seventh day and they saw the morning sun
Ten hours away from homeland the Bismarck made its run
The Admiral of the British fleet said turn those bows around
We found that German battleship and we’re gonna cut her down
The British guns were aimed and the shells were coming fast
The first shell hit the Bismarck they knew she couldn’t last
That mighty German battleship is just a memory
Sink the Bismarck was the battle cry that shook the seven seas
We found the German battleship t’was makin’ such a fuss
We had to sink the Bismarck cause the world depends on us
We hit the deck a runnin’ and we spun those guns around
Yeah we found the mighty Bismarck and then we cut her down

nolie

February 13th, 2012
11:58 pm

Tom O'Hawke

February 14th, 2012
12:00 am

I didn’t expect to be spending time, tonight, trying to think of songs that started with a “B”.
But, hey, life is full of the unexpected!

“Best of My Love”, by the Eagles.

Tom O'Hawke

February 14th, 2012
12:01 am

Thanks, nolie, I wanted to check that out. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that before, but I couldn’t come up with a melody.

nolie

February 14th, 2012
12:02 am

Big Bad John

nolie

February 14th, 2012
12:03 am

Tom O'Hawke

February 14th, 2012
12:03 am

Johnny Horton – didn’t he also do “The Battle of New Orleans”? Or am I thinking of the wrong guy?

cabravesfan

February 14th, 2012
12:04 am

Tom-

They do have a website…I can’t remember what station it is, but VJ will obviously know

Tom O'Hawke

February 14th, 2012
12:05 am

Good timing, noles!

Tom O'Hawke

February 14th, 2012
12:06 am

Thanks, but no thanks, cabravesfan. I plan on getting SOME sleep tonight. ;)

cabravesfan

February 14th, 2012
12:08 am

Tom-

Who said you had to listen to it tonight? It’s not going anywhere

Venice Jim

February 14th, 2012
12:08 am

You too can play along at home…

http://thesoundla.com/

nolie

February 14th, 2012
12:08 am

Great minds Tom, great minds…..

Venice Jim

February 14th, 2012
12:10 am

My dad would march around the house to the recently posted Johnny Horton song (the ship one), carrying my less than a year old sister and my brother and I (4 and 5) would march along behind…

kenhotlanta

February 14th, 2012
12:11 am

Why isn’t Heart in the R&R Hall of Fame? How many badass female guitar players are there besides Joan Jett (she’s in it), Lita Ford, and maybe Suzie Quatro (she had the look, not sure about the chops). Plus Nancy is a great singer, together they are a great band, and their first album, Dreamboat Annie is a classic.

nolie

February 14th, 2012
12:12 am

I wasn’t aware that Heart isn’t in it ken. I agree totally

Tom O'Hawke

February 14th, 2012
12:13 am

I see they played Because by the Beatles. I really liked that song. It was done acapalla (that’s an Italian word, nolie).

kenhotlanta

February 14th, 2012
12:13 am

Ditto the Doobie Brothers and Deep Purple.

Tom O'Hawke

February 14th, 2012
12:15 am

Why isn’t Heart in the R&R Hall of Fame? — kenhotlanta

Or Deep Purple, Chicago, Steve Miller, Moody Blues etc.

nolie

February 14th, 2012
12:15 am

acapalla? ain’t that what Tommy injured that made him change his mechanicalizations?

Venice Jim

February 14th, 2012
12:15 am

a cappella…

nolie

February 14th, 2012
12:16 am

Is Thin Lizzie in it?

Venice Jim

February 14th, 2012
12:16 am

Speaking of Chicago – Beginnings…

Tom O'Hawke

February 14th, 2012
12:17 am

Speaking of Chicago, my favorite song to play the drums to – “Beginnings”.