1:36 pm February 11, 2012, by David O'Brien
February 16th, 201212:22 pm
Murph – Who ever said anything about pulling a plug on Betancourt. He IS young and has only played at the lower levels of the minors. He hadn’t hit at all in those lower levels and many are basing their determinations on him hitting a few HR’s in Arizona – almost half of what he’d hit in several mionor league seasons.
All I’m saying is let’s not annoint him as Mac’s successor until he actually has success at a closer level thatn A ball. Let’s at least let him have a successful year at AA first.
February 16th, 201212:30 pm
Nathan – Yeah, I’d rather have a catcher (even in his “decling” years of 30-34) that is an annual Slver Slugger Award winniner and maybe the best hitting catcher (proven) in the NL than a kid who can’t ht and has a good glove.
Freaking sue me for such stupidity.
February 16th, 201212:31 pm
February 16th, 2012
“Here’s a good question to decide if you are a homer (A Braves Realist) or a dreamer. ”
Where does the term “Kool-Aid Drinker” Fit in at?
February 16th, 201212:32 pm
I didn’t ever hear of that term to describe a Fan til I started posting on the Phillies Forum in 2004….
February 16th, 201212:35 pm
David O’Brien – I have no idea what it (Payroll) will be, but especially if there’s a new owner, I’d guess it will rise.
Unless it’s an Owner like Robert Nutting
February 16th, 201212:37 pm
keylargo “Here’s a good question to decide if you are a homer (A Braves Realist) or a dreamer. ”
i still think youre a dreamer if you think $15mil might buy you a 5-tool player in free agency.
February 16th, 201212:38 pm
[Tomahawkin, February 16th, 2012, 12:07 am … “it seem as if our rallies were based on solo homers and the team couldn’t hit for sht with 2 outs and RISP….?”]
“The Braves OBP was atrocious last year. They couldn’t get on base in any situation. All those solo HR were the result of nobody being on base … because, the Braves weren’t getting anyone ON BASE.
The two-out RISP situation looks worse than it was (statistically speaking) because the Braves weren’t hitting in any situation, much less with RISP with two outs. And the variation on the “BA with RISP with two outs” statistic was much higher than normal, because the Braves rarely had anyone in scoring position with two outs because their OBP was so bad.
Conclusion … the Braves OBP in 2011 was really, really bad.”
I know, Thats Why I called for Parrish to get Ol Yellered in July and people on here looked at me Funny
It spoke volumes last year when McCann had to ask his brother for hitting advice, ditto for Chipper and some other players asking His Dad for hitting advice
February 16th, 201212:43 pm
Much like the Rays, the Braves have an impressive stable of young starting pitchers, and they could use two from the group of Randall Delgado, Mike Minor, Arodys Vizcaino and Brandon Beachy to pull of the deal.
The team also shopped All-Star starter Jair Jurrjens earlier this offseason and could look to do so again this spring. There is a chance the Marlins would be willing to go Jurrjens for Ramirez straight up if they are set on moving him.
By Joel Reuter(Featured Columnist) on February 15, 2012
February 16th, 201212:52 pm
There is a chance the Marlins would be willing to go Jurrjens for Ramirez straight up if they are set on moving him….Reuter
what an incredibly stupid statement
February 16th, 201212:57 pm
nolie’s here, and he sounds like he’s in a really good mood.
February 16th, 20121:01 pm
what does pointing out a totally moronic statement have to do with mood. I wasn’t gonna even gonna post just read, but the last comment was so egregiously incompetent that it forced my hand….
February 16th, 20121:03 pm
DOB, ok, thanks. Once you dig deeper, you usually get your answer.
February 16th, 20121:05 pm
what does pointing out a totally moronic statement have to do with mood.
You just seem especially cheery and cordial today… Matlock marathon on later or something?
February 16th, 20121:06 pm
Tomahawkin, February 16th, 2012, 12:38 pm … “Thats Why I called for Parrish to get Ol Yellered in July and people on here looked at me Funny”
Actually, it was obvious by July that something was off. Braves management seemed to be in a funk over what to do. The Braves seem to be an organization that sticks with whatever they break camp with til the end of the season. Not that that’s bad, all the time.
Also, it’s very difficult to make a change and get the new system working while you’re fighting a campaign. Hopefully the Braves did their homework a little better with Walker.
February 16th, 20121:07 pm
never a big Matlock fan but Perry Mason was ok….
February 16th, 20121:10 pm
Lew. Stop acting like I’m attacking you. I’m not. When you want to chat about the subject in a civil manner. Let me know. I’m always looking for a good debate/discussion.
Perry Mason was a GREAT show…and Matlock was worth watching. I like reruns of both, although I usually remember who the murderer was on PM.
February 16th, 20121:11 pm
Not sure that statement was important enough to post twice. But gotta love the format of the old blog. Some posts never show up. Some show up twice. Simply amazing.
February 16th, 20121:13 pm
“Hopefully the Braves did their homework a little better with Walker.”
Ultimately, it comes down to the players buying into, and executing the “system” in play.
Clearly Adam Dunn had a worse season than any of our hitters who struggled. So not sure I’m any more excited about Walker than I was about Parrish. It all sounds good on paper until the players either execute or fail to execute.
So if Heyward rebounds will it be because Walker is that much better than Parrish? Or because he’s finally healthy?
February 16th, 20121:15 pm
I believe a change needed to be made and clearly the Braves felt that way too. Could have been due to players pleading for somebody else. Could have been due to Wren’s interview with Parrish and he didn’t like the answers.
But in the end, it’s on the players.
February 16th, 20121:20 pm
good point about Dunn, N8. we’ll hafta wait and see
February 16th, 20121:29 pm
In the spirit of the “Leave on a High Note” episode of Seinfeld….. with that compliment from nolie….
February 16th, 20121:39 pm
Nah, just stuck in the late 90’s.
February 16th, 20121:52 pm
How concerned are you with Tommy Hanson’s shoulder and the fact that he’s changing his delivery slightly? Is that the right move? Thanks!
Klaw (1:16 PM)
You mention that fans tend to overrate Braves’ positional prospects due to the lack of legitimate bats. Is that the case with Christian Bethancourt? Or does he have legitimate potential?
Klaw (1:39 PM)
It was a more general comment on fans overrating the best players in a weak system, or the best bats in a system light on bats, etc. Bethancourt can really catch, throw, and hit for power, but the hit tool is still a question mark.
February 16th, 20122:05 pm
Bethancourt can really catch, throw, and hit for power, but the hit tool is still a question mark.
3 out of 4… I’ll take it. I’m going to go ahead and make him my new favorite Braves’ player, and I will talk about him on the blog daily until he gets called up and hits .200… at which point I will say he was rushed to the bigs and blame Braves’ management for ruining a sure HoF player.
I will then denounce my adoration of Bethancourt and move on to the next hotshot prospect. Simmons or Salcedo perhaps.
February 16th, 20122:14 pm
Oh, come on. How can a guy who greets the day with “The Braves suck!” have any real concern about one of their pitchers? I find these to be crocodile tears from Senor Law.
I’ll take it. I’m going to go ahead and make him my new favorite Braves’ player, and I will talk about him on the blog daily until he gets called
I’ll one-up you. My favorite Braves player is Daniel Brinkman, Ridgeview HS c/o 2015
I’ve been gone (doing that working thing most of you excel in avoiding). Honestly, but not spoken very well, my point was we are about to get a 2.5 tool player for $15 a year.
February 16th, 20122:22 pm
Clearly Adam Dunn had a worse season than any of our hitters who struggled
I’d say that there was way more propensity for Dunn to go dumper than Prado, or Heyward, or just about anybody else. Guy is career sub-.250, so it’s not as if Tony Gwynn had a bad year or something. Charley Lau and Walt Hriniak combined probably couldn’t get Dunn to hit .270, fercrissake, let alone Greg Walker.
You’re gonna have to find another reason to worry about Walker’s abilities, I’m afraid. Adam Dunn ain’t it.
Fredi’s already got plans to use Mr Brinkman out of the bullpen this year… seems a bit ambitious to me given his mom’s work schedule and Brinkman being unable to drive himself to the stadium.
February 16th, 20122:28 pm
scoots, dunn wasnt a hitter for average, but dude dropped nearly 100 OBP points and about 250 slugging points.
i dont think there is anything to worry with walker, really, but adam dunn was a disaster, and the .159 batting average wasnt close to being the worst part.
when it comes to dunn, i actually think DHing was part of it. the guy cant play D, but maybe he needs to be in the field when he isnt hitting, instead of sitting on the bench. that can mess with some guys.
February 16th, 20122:31 pm
-Murph’s going with Bethancourt.
-Scoots has put his claim in on Zeke Spruill.
-Jeffrey d’s pulling for a dude that doesn’t even have to buy a hunting license yet.
-I’m going to be on the Brandon Drury bandwagon. We’re shooting for double digit walks in 2012.
February 16th, 20122:36 pm
but dude dropped nearly 100 OBP points and about 250 slugging points.
Had pretty close to the same walk rate and the same K rate, so it’s not as if he became some different hitter. He’s the same guy he’s always been, just worse.
In any event, N8 made it sound as if Walker’s inability to fix Dunn was a cause for concern; I was pointing out that Dunn is probably among the five worst examples you could use as a barometer of a hitting coach’s ability. That’s all.
Zeke will not be traded.
February 16th, 20122:39 pm
i actually think DHing was part of it.
I do to. I think it was a rhythm thing with him and changing to a new roll with the team, not going out to the field, and all, probably didn’t help all that much. It was a perfect storm of everything that could go wrong, going wrong. It’ll be interesting to see what he does this year.
Having said that, damn that was a bad year. If he merely mimics Mendoza this year he’d be high in the running for come back player of the year.
We’re shooting for double digit walks in 2012.
McFann O O o
February 16th, 20122:45 pm
Lew Yeah, I’d rather have a catcher (even in his “decling” years of 30-34) that is an annual Slver Slugger Award winniner and maybe the best hitting catcher (proven) in the NL than a kid who can’t ht and has a good glove.
Yeah-yeah, me too!
February 16th, 20122:46 pm
Had pretty close to the same walk rate and the same K rate
I challenge your use of the term “pretty close”… ( :
Scoots, I was figuring up the jumps in innings pitched this morning for some of the Braves youngsters and I threw Zeke in there just for you:
-Vizcaino jumped 43 innings from ‘09 to ‘10 and 29 innings from ‘10 to ‘11.
-Teheran jumped 61 1/3 in 2010 and 21 2/3 in 2011.
-Delgado jumped 37 in 2010 and 13 in 2011.
-Minor jumped 36 1/3 in 2010 and 22 1/3 in 2011. (I included his college innings in ‘09)
-Beachy jumped 57 2/3 in 2010 and 7 1/3 in 2011.
-Zeke went backwards -66 2/3 due to injury and attitude in 2010 and then jumped 106 2/3 in 2011.
February 16th, 20122:48 pm
Yeah, I’d rather have a catcher (even in his “decling” years of 30-34) that is an annual Slver Slugger Award winniner and maybe the best hitting catcher (proven) in the NL than a kid who can’t ht and has a good glove.
I think, if anything, the team will have them both for a while. David Ross isn’t going to be the back up to McCann for the duration of McCann’s extension, should he get one. I could see them easing Bethancourt into the majors as a back up initially. Especially if his bat isn’t showing much progress. That’s several years from now any way.
February 16th, 20122:49 pm
I challenge your use of the term “pretty close”…
February 16th, 20122:50 pm
due to injury and attitude
February 16th, 20122:51 pm
Ten Paul – I agree with that assertion. Ross is only signed throughn this year and I can’t really see them doing more than another year or two after this. Bethancourt should hopefully be ready for a back up role by then.
Bay Area Steve
February 16th, 20122:53 pm
“I’ve been gone (doing that working thing most of you excel in avoiding).”
Man, sometimes you are a true nutbag. I like how you toss this rant out there every month or so, and then cower to the responses certain to follow. A five-tool catcher? Really?
Your “2.5 tool player” is arguably the best at his position in the game. He’s a local, a team-leader, a fan-favorite, and he seemingly wants to stay. The contract talked about here would be below market-value. How is paying a guy less than he’s worth a bad thing? You think we’re going to do better in free-agency? Pray tell which “five-tool player” you’d like to spend the $15M on.
Your obsession with five-tool players is ridiculous. It’s a scouting term, and we’re talking free-agency. I couldn’t care less about tools when a guy is in free-agency. I think I’ll stay concerned with skills and production. You keep looking for a catcher who can run.
Now, ignore all issues raised, and repost this same drivel mid-March. Even though you’ve previously posted: “I’m not going to argue with anyone anymore about this.”
You know… ’cause you’re working.
McFann, if things play out the way we all suspect they will and BMac is shown the door after his option year, will you follow him to his new AL team or will you remain a Braves fan?
February 16th, 20122:55 pm
Bay Area Steve—
I suspect the entire McClann will uproot and move to whatever team he signs with.
February 16th, 20122:57 pm
Well, first of all, we don’t all expect thing to pan out that way…
And second, I’d be both—keep following BMac, but still stay a Braves fan…even if some of the fun will have gotten sucked out of it because those cheap……people up front let a potential HOF’er slip right through their fingers…
February 16th, 20122:58 pm
There’s your winner. Everybody else shut it down.
Haha! Nah, the rest of the family isn’t quite as fannatical as I am…
February 16th, 20123:00 pm
February 16th, 20123:02 pm
Unless I missed it, props to McFann for not getting sucked into the whole 5-tool junk again.
February 16th, 20123:03 pm
……What’s that…? Should I click on it…?
February 16th, 20123:05 pm
Thanks, Soph! Yeah, I’m so freaking over arguing that stuff—I’m obviously not gonna convince him, no why in heck is he gonna convince me, so what’s the point? Everyone knows where I stand, anyway…
February 16th, 20123:06 pm
What do you think, I’m posting links to puppies getting run over?
February 16th, 20123:08 pm
We are going to stick with going to the Dairy Queen before the game because even with a 33% discount on the Deer Dogs the prices are too high for us. If we was Homeboy Upstairs we would cut prices some more and apologize to the fans for charging so much for so long. We’d also sign a major league shortstop and a corner outfielder and add a screwdriver to the Tool Race. –Sonny Clusters
We all know how you like to post inappropriate and vulgar trash you carnie.
February 16th, 20123:11 pm
I’m not clicking on that link, but I’d guess it’s either the opening theme song of Fresh Prince of Bel Air or something to do with the Beverly Hillbillies.
No! I just wondered…I’m always careful of YouTube links, even if I know what they are…
……Why would you think that…?
February 16th, 20123:13 pm
McFann, both are shows about picking up and moving on to new, better lives… much as BMac will when his contract runs out.
February 16th, 20123:14 pm
OK, I clicked on it… Good one…
February 16th, 20123:16 pm
Leaving the Braves wouldn’t make his life better…
The Beverly Hillbillies were sort of like The Andy Griffith Show—black and white episodes were quite funny…color ones, not as much (or in the case of AG, not at all…)
February 16th, 20123:27 pm
McFann – Color AG = No Barney Fife = Not funny. Not quite first to worst scenario, but close to it.
February 16th, 20123:30 pm
Victor Martinez at 31 years old signed a 4 year 50 million deal with the Tigers. At the time he was already a poor defender and basically a C/1B/DH type player. Him and Brian McCann are vary comparable hitters with McCann being a better defender and V-Mart being a switch hitter. McCann will be a year younger as well. We really have to figure that McCann’s deal will be much bigger.
ATL For Life
February 16th, 20123:33 pm
DOB, I don’t understand why so many people, such as CAC ( Capitol Avenue Club )suggest Freeman’s defense is bad. I clearly remember great plays and run/game changing plays day in and day out by him. But throughtout the offseason I see places like CAC suggest he was below average. Am I missing something here??? I thought he shoulda won a gold glove based on how many runs he prevented from scoring.
February 16th, 20123:38 pm
VaBravesFan We really have to figure that McCann’s deal will be much bigger.
i dont really agree with that. mccann is a better player, but a different type, and the hometown thing comes into play. the deal could be bigger, but i dont think we HAVE to assume that.
February 16th, 20123:40 pm
ATL for Life, i think freeman should be getting some credit for alex gonzalez’s great defensive year. no doubt, freeman is a very good defender at 1B. no need to let CAC bother you.
February 16th, 20123:42 pm
Hello everyone! I think Mac has earned his right to be Brave,as long as he wants too,and I would give him a nice contract to stay a Brave. Keep Mac,and let him play. In 4 years you could always have Bethancourt be the number 2 catcher until Mac finishes his career a Brave.Mac has earned to be a Brave.
February 16th, 20123:44 pm
If Iwas Wren I would just sign Mac,and let Bethancourt develope. He’s in A ball,and he still has ways to improve.Let him grow,and let Mac play.
Catcher’s in the AL benifit from the DH, go look at the games played and such. McCann puts up some of the best numbers at the catcher position in the NL where on days off he’s limited to pinch hitting. McCann is a special player. V-Mart was just a really good hitter who played 1st base just as much as catcher and Dh’ed as well.
By the time most five-tool players get to Free Agency, age and wear have made them into no more than four-tool players. The only guy I can think of that kept the speed into his later baseball years was Ricky Henderson.
February 16th, 20123:46 pm
My theory is why rush Bethancourt up?Mac, is still 27 years old,and I say sign him.One of the top catchers in baseball now.
February 16th, 20123:47 pm
I don’t understand why so many people, such as CAC ( Capitol Avenue Club )suggest Freeman’s defense is bad.
He has great hands but not a lot of range, since his first step is a little slow. Maybe that changes as his body matures, but I wouldn’t count on it much.
As to why some harp on such a thing, well, some folks want a player to have every skill before giving him any props, you know. For some, it’s tons more fun to point out the weaknesses and disregard the strengths of a player, because they think they look smarter that way.
February 16th, 20123:48 pm
Freeman’s range was a little limited. He didn’t make plays in the field that a quicker 1B might make.
His glove on the other hand was phenomenal. If you look at hitting and picking throws as the only functions of a 1B, Freeman should be at the top of the list.
However, when you consider the limited range of both FF and Uggla, you see a lot of balls go through the hole between 1st and 2nd that other in-field defenses snag for outs.
I cannot remember a play last year where the pitcher needed to cover 1B. (J/K)
February 16th, 20123:50 pm
ncscoots, February 16th, 2012. 3:47 pm … “For some, it’s tons more fun to point out the weaknesses …, because they think they look smarter that way.”
I resemble that remark!
DAP, I agree completley not only in how many errors he saved but just the confidence he gave infielders like Gonzalez that if they can just throw the ball over there more than likely freeman was gonna get it. and i’ll be willing to bet that freeman will bail out pastornicky just as much if not more this season and pastornicky is gonna end the season with alot less errors then projected and he will get the credit for it without freeman even being mentioned as how many errors he saved.
Coolio has a cookbook. That is all.
February 16th, 20123:51 pm
I don’t know why so many people are bashing our good players? Kind of strange hm????
February 16th, 20123:53 pm
in “the top 10 first baseman right now” show on MLB network, both sean casey and that sabermatrician guy put freeman in their top 10. the sabermatrician guy said freeman didnt get credit from defensive metrics, but was very good defensively, making plays to his left, throwing, and scooping throws.
February 16th, 20123:55 pm
i’ll be willing to bet that freeman will bail out pastornicky just as much if not more this season
Maybe so. But I think Freeman may be able to dispense with his pre-game stretching, with The Rev slingin’ ‘em from the hole.
February 16th, 20123:56 pm
Coolio has a cookbook. That is all.
As I walk throught the valley of the shadow of death,
I take a look at my pantry and realize there’s nothing left…
February 16th, 20123:59 pm
I think Agon is overated,and I would much rather have some one with poise,and who wants to come out ,and play every day. I think Pastor will be great.
February 16th, 20124:00 pm
Hillbilly, that was beautiful, sir. Audible office laughter ensued, is what I’m sayin’.
I can even hear the music…
February 16th, 20124:02 pm
Where do you think Peyton Manning will end up?
February 16th, 20124:03 pm
I tried to think of more, but I keep getting the lyrics to Weird Al’s Amish Paradise in my head, which is a better song anyway. Al is one clever dude.
February 16th, 20124:04 pm
I think Pastor will be great.
I’d take “average” right now, and be happy the whole season.
Personally, I think the kid will disappoint many here, not because he’s a bad player, but because he has so little chance of matching up to the young players who have preceded him. Heyward, Freeman, Kimbrel…that’s some serious bar-setting for rookies, and just in recent memory. Some folks here are bound to expect The Rev to be just as good.
I’m going to guess Peyton stays with the Colt,for less money to teach Luck the fundamentals.ESPN just wnats a story.
February 16th, 20124:06 pm
ESPN, just wants a story,and are creating something out of nothing.Peyton will be a Colt.
February 16th, 20124:10 pm
Pastor I’m backing you man. I’ve read the reports,and like the reports.
February 16th, 20124:12 pm
Swamp People tonight. Anybody watching? BAMF…every last one of them.
All have a good one! Have some faith!!!!!!!!! Peace my friends,and talk tonight…….
February 16th, 20124:14 pm
i don’t expect Pastornicky to match the production of Heyward/Freeman/Kimbrel… I expect him to surpass it. Anything less is completely unacceptable. In fact, I’m so confident that Pastornicky will win RoY in 2012, I’d bet Ward’s life on it.
February 16th, 20124:16 pm
Murph-before I go you can bet my life on it!!!!!! Confidence……Peace Out!!!!!!
Murph – It doesn’t count unless you bet something of worth.
February 16th, 20124:19 pm
well i guess every 14 years or so , its time to break down and spend 20 bucks on a haircut
February 16th, 20124:21 pm
i should be ok now til what 2026 math majors?
February 16th, 20124:22 pm
The Braves will look at Bethancourt as McCanns replacement in two years, rather than extendinmg McCann. Given the Braves business plan, they aren’t going to throw millions upon millions at McCann if a better and cheaper option is available.
The Braves will look at Bethancourt as McCanns replacement in two years, rather than extendinmg McCann. Given the Braves business plan, they aren’t going to throw millions upon millons at McCann if a better and cheaper option is available.
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