1:36 pm February 11, 2012, by David O'Brien
February 13th, 201212:57 pm
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
A’s winning bid for cespedes was indeed $36M for 4, a bit better than #marlins 36-6.
February 13th, 201212:58 pm
For Tomahawkin’s eyes only…
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Sources: Oakland has agreed to terms with Yoenis Cespedes, 4 years, $36 million.
February 13th, 201212:59 pm
Cespedes will make $6.5 million this year, $8.5 mill in 2013 and $10.5 mill in each of the final two years, the Chronicle has learned.
February 13th, 20121:03 pm
Oh crap. I read it too. What happens now? Do I start throwing BF’s while bumping bad 80’s music?
February 13th, 20121:05 pm
Where’s the top ten movie list we are referring to? I need some material for my blockbuster queue.
February 13th, 20121:07 pm
Nova Scotia Steve
I like the idea of Chipper in the two hole – a lot.
February 13th, 20121:09 pm
Is Beane just bored?
Exploiting a market inefficiency. If he can corner the market on outfielders, people will come crawling to him. 87 more to go and he’ll have all the major league outfielders there are.
McFann O O o
February 13th, 20121:13 pm
NSS I like the idea of Chipper in the two hole – a lot.
As long as it doesn’t put BMac in the 3-hole…
But I’m really gonna try not to bring up batting order so much this year (hey! Didn’t I read that somewhere last Spring? )…
February 13th, 20121:14 pm
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February 13th, 20121:18 pm
McFann: Yeah, I don’t really like BMac in that spot either…
The three spot in the line-up is ready for Freeman or Heyward should he bounce back. Realistically – one of them will occupy the role on this team sometime in the future.
February 13th, 20121:23 pm
But I’m really gonna try not to bring up batting order so much this year
Maybe this year, I’ll do a blog pool on the over/under of lineup posts made during ST.
February 13th, 20121:29 pm
beekay, then i guess I give it double what the 1,400 people surveyed at redbox.com give it. I probably give “Take Shelter” twice what they’ll give it, too.
February 13th, 20121:32 pm
DRIVE was rated an 8.0 at IMDB,. That is pretty high but not super.
I thought it was good but i was surprised that DOB rated it that high too — nolie
I’ve found your tastes and mine run different in movies, for the most part. You tend to lean toward traditional-style, big box-office classics made in the ’50s-’60s, right? I tend to like more contemporary and, for lack of a better word, “edgy” movies made in more recent decades. Just different tastes, nothing wrong with that.
February 13th, 20121:35 pm
Do you like singer Vince Gill? — McFann
He’s all right, but doesn’t do much for me.
I’m not sure where Nirvana would be today if Kurt Cobain would still be alive. My guess is still making relative music and not comprimising.
But there is no denying that Dave Grohl is a true rockstar in every aspect of the word. He’s charismatic. He seems down to earth and everytime you see him on stage, he looks like he’s having the time of his life.
Oh yeah dude’s got some talent as well. Not too many people can say they’ve been part of two hugely successful rock bands. He can.
I’m not a huge fan of seeing concerts in big arenas. But the Foo Fighters are a band that would be worth the bad seets of the big setting.
Dave is simply the baddest rocker on the planet right now. I think when all is said and done, he’ll go down as one of the great frontmen in a rock and roll history.
Not bad for the drummer from Nirvana.
February 13th, 20121:36 pm
Might be a good time to talk to Athletics about Seth Smith.
February 13th, 20121:37 pm
CB: Might be a good time to talk to Athletics about Seth Smith.
I just threw up, only a little. But vomit never-the-less.
ST right around the corner??
Lets get this thing cranked up!
February 13th, 20121:40 pm
Yep, much respect to Dave Grohl.
Hated Nirvana though and most of the rest of those Seattle “heroin bands.”.
DOB, I assume back in the day you rocked out to some early Van Halen. Have you bothered checking out the new disc at all?
I was reluctant to once I read that it was simply rehashed demos that they redid and spiced up a bit.
I’m a DLR fan (old van halen), and always found him amusing when I was younger. He’s kind of a shell of his former self and almost makes a mockery of his glory days by trying to still be that guy.
But in the end, I felt obligated as a guitarist to check out anything new EVH puts out. From a guitar standpoint, it doesn’t disappoint. His playing is as bad ass as ever and sounds current, yet has that classic EVH sound to it. But the songs in general sound like what they are……. throw aways from the glory days.
I’m not sure if I’m disappinted in it or not. Since it’s pretty much what I expected. Would have been fun to be old enough to see them live in the 70’s. I’ve actually never seen them live. Not sure I want to drop the coin to go see them on this tour. But might have to.
Surprised me to see you like Miranda Lambert (or to give her props anyhow). I really dig her. Certain grit she has. Seems genuine with her “twang” and she’s believable. Unlike so many country/pop stars.
February 13th, 20121:41 pm
I agree the movie was better than a 2 out of five, just not much better. The other 4 that I listed were very good. I was just curious as to why he had it listed in top 3 movies as I liked the other 4 better and still have several others on the list to see in the upcoming weeks.
February 13th, 20121:45 pm
Mixxo, I was always torn. LOVED Alice n Chain. Still can listen to them today.
Loved the music Pearl Jam put out, but was never a big fan of Eddie Vedder. On the flipside, loved Chris Cornell, but never much cared for Soundgarden’s music. If Chris Cornell would have been in Pearl Jam singing those same songs, they might be my all time favorite band.
I didn’t like Nirvana then. But they’ve very much grown on me as time has passed. Not a huge Cobain fan. But there isn’t any denying the songs are influential and important to the curve of music history.
My favorite band of the Seattle push was actually Candlebox. Didn’t care much for the 2nd and 3rd disc (never bothered with the 4th and most recent one). But that first album is fantastic from my angle. Love his voice, love the guitar tone. Love the mood of that album. One of the few older albums from that era that I can listen to the whole thing without skipping anything.
February 13th, 20121:47 pm
anyone else amused at how two of the lowest payroll teams in MLB were in a bidding war for Cespedes? In fact, it feels wrong to even call it a “bidding war.”
February 13th, 20121:50 pm
DRIVE was rated an 8.0 at IMDB,. That is pretty high but not super.
I thought it was good but i was surprised that DOB rated it that high too
I just checked out the IMDB site you referenced. Here’s their list of the 342 highest-rated movies in 2011 that received at least 1,000 votes.
Only 11 of them had a higher rating than Drive’s 8.0, and only one was higher than 8.4. So I’m not really sure what you mean by “pretty high.”
Among the really strong (and already award-winning) movies of 2011 that I see rated below it on the site you referenced: Moneyball, The Descendants, Midnight in Paris, Take Shelter, and Shame.
It cracks me up when people refer to Vince Gill as “singer” (not picking on you McFann), but as a guitar player, I have to state that Vince Gill is one of the most underrated pickers to come along. Dude can play.
“•Fredi mentioned last week how well Chipper hit in limited PAs there. RT @jp_edu: @ajcbraves let’s be realistic they won’t bat him 2nd. 3 hours ago”
February 13th, 20121:51 pm
chipper in the 2-spot? larry’ll tell you “im not a table setter”…and i hate to argue with such an accomplished hitter, but i think he is an excellent table setter. dude is on base all the time…he is a 2nd base alot, and i can see he and bourne setting up lots of big innings. i would LOVE to see chipper slotted at 2 and left there.
DOB, I assume back in the day you rocked out to some early Van Halen. Have you bothered checking out the new disc at all? N8
No, haven’t checked it out and will not be checking it out. The first single from it, “Tattoo,” is one of the worst rock songs I’ve heard in years.
February 13th, 20121:55 pm
DOB, you are correct. It actually takes until track 5 or so before I hit a song I would listen to again.
Like I said. From a guitar standpoint, EVH can still play and for me it’s worth checking out from that standpoint. But the bombastic “attitude” that I think made Van Halen what they were back in the day is long gone and I almost feel embarrased for them that they are trying to recapture that.
But yeah. I’m glad I didn’t here Tattoo before checking the rest out. Or I probably would have passed as well. LOL
February 13th, 20121:56 pm
Being the concert guy you are, did you ever check them out in the early DLR days? I can’t imagine that Roth was ever a good singer live. But like KISS back in the crazy 70’s, I imagine as being a “must see” event for any rock fan back then.
February 13th, 20121:59 pm
DAP, absolutely agree with you on Chipper in the 2-hole. He’s not a true HR threat anymore. But the guy gets on base and if Bourn manages to get to 2nd base, I’d like Chipper having the first crack at driving him in with a single or a double.
That being said, if Chipper is healthy, I won’t gripe as much about him in the 3-hole as I did last year going into the season when I wanted Heyward there. Until Heyward proves it’s his spot for the next decade, might as well leave the old man there.
N8: Totally agree with you @ 1:35. Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl have ascended to the top of the rock hierarchy .
February 13th, 20122:01 pm
I hadn’t heard Van Halen’s song tattoo until now and that is awful. Hopefully it’s made to be a joke or something because they’re way better than that.
February 13th, 20122:03 pm
Most people, I assume, like Roth better than Hagar in Van Halen, but I actually like more of their songs in the Hagar era.
February 13th, 20122:04 pm
ChattTownBrian, the tune that I really dig is called “As Is”. To me that sounds like old Van Halen.
But that’s because that’s what it is. It’s an old tune.
The part that’s funny as a Van Halen fan is you realize how missed Michael Anthony is. His harmonies are a huge part of the Van Halen sound. That being said, Wolfgang has come a long way on bass. Of course if your dad is EVH, genes come into play…. not to mention a pretty good built in guitar teacher in the house. LOL
February 13th, 20122:05 pm
Van Halen 1984 was the first concert I ever went to… was in the 4th grade at the time. I’ve been a huge fan for as long as I can remember.
Then Sammy Hagar came along, and I was a little dismayed but ultimately still a fan. Then Gary Cherone hit the scene and I vowed to never, ever, never listen to any of their new stuff again.
Now that Diamond Dave is back I thought they might return to their rockin’ ways… and then I heard Tattoo. Made me cringe. Horrible, horrible song. I don’t know what they were thinking having that be the first single off the new album.
The Van Halen Facebook page has been posting previews of all the songs off the new album… it’s not all that bad, or at least not as bad as Tattoo would make you think it would be. There are a few songs on there, like Stay Frosty, that come really close to sounding like the old Van Halen.
I’m just waiting for someone to send me an iTunes giftcard before I get it. Not gonna spend my money on it, but I’ll spend someone else’s money on it no problem.
February 13th, 20122:08 pm
Yeah, I wouldn’t mind Chipper hitting second, at all. The best hitters on a team should bat 1st, 2nd and 4th. Second is a nice spot for Chipper because I don’t think he’s an elite power guy any longer but he still has decent power, and of course he’s still an elite on-base guy, or at least close to it.
Anyone hear the Atlanta Baseball Talk podcast? Kevin Goldstein was a guest and he talked about prospects, of course. He also talked about what we should expect from Pastornicky and ownership. Basically he talked about the problems of a corporate owner that is, for lack of a better word, disconnected from the team and how they can’t really ask for more money. They more or less have to stick to a budget more so than other teams. It was really interesting stuff.
He expected Pastornicky to hold the position down but he’s not going to be anything special, which is about what most of us expect, I think.
You think the ex-wife Valerie is happy about young Wolfgang being on the road with his dad, uncle alex and “uncle” Dave?
A mom’s worst nightmare. Sure sone. Go with your multi-rehab attending father and his band of debotchery on the road…… Be safe.
February 13th, 20122:09 pm
NSS The three spot in the line-up is ready for Freeman or Heyward should he bounce back.
I agree…BMac should stay in the middle third of the order…
ncscoots Maybe this year, I’ll do a blog pool on the over/under of lineup posts made during ST
Haha! Well, I’ll really try not to make comments during ST, since those aren’t real games…if you wanna include me, wait and see what happens if Fredi starts the Season with BMac @ #3…
OK, I was just curious…he sang part of a Glen Campbell song at the CountryMusicAwards Awards in November and it was actually pretty good…
Yeah, I should have said guitar player…I actually almost threw that in there. He is really good. I got his new CD for Christmas and I love it…
February 13th, 20122:10 pm
Wolfgang was destined to be a star on “Celebrity Rehab” from the moment he was conceived… it’s just a matter of time.
February 13th, 20122:11 pm
Murph. Stay Frosty is pretty much “Ice Cream Man” part two. At first it annoyed me. But once you get in David Lee Roth mode (accepting that he’s a complete nut job), it kind of grows on you. The guitar work on Stay Frosty is pretty cool.
N8: I saw Van Halen several times in the late 70s and early 80s and they were always hot. DLR was awesome which is why I could never accept Hagar as their singer…I loved him with Montrose and solo, but he made Van Halen a different band from David, and Hagar just never worked for me. But, DLR is just a parody of what he used to be, and I think that is sad.
February 13th, 20122:12 pm
DLR is a nut. A goofy ass wacko. But that’s what really good front men are I guess.
Just giving you crap McFann. Even amongst my guitarist buddies when discussing country players, Vince is often forgot about. I’m usually reminded when I stumble upon a youtube clip and am reminded how smooth he is.
February 13th, 20122:14 pm
As of now, Chipper still hits dingers at a higher rate than anyone on the club not named McCann or Uggla. I realize that it may be fashionable to think otherwise, but, he still has the goods to hit 3. His availability is the only knock.
Murph at 2:10 nailed it. Poor Wolfgang. LOL.
What’s funny, is I was reading some of the reviews on iTunes and on some of the youtube live clips of a “surprise” concert they did around the holidays in L.A.
People were calling him fat and stuff. Wasn’t Michael Anthony always a little chubby? LOL. Perhaps Wolfgang is just trying to be authentic?
February 13th, 20122:15 pm
For those who haven’t noticed, Carroll has a story posted about her recent trip to Cuba:
February 13th, 20122:18 pm
Scoots. I agree. But I have a feeling that Freeman might end up being the long-term 3-hole hitter for this team before Heyward. And have a feeling that Freeman and Heyward both with hit HR at a higher rate than Chipper this year.
But it’s hard to make a lineup “guessing” what might happen. So Fredi is left to go on the past.
Just hope like last year, that he’s willing to change it up if it becomes evident that somebody else has become a better option in the 3-hole.
But like I said, I think the 2-hole is just as important and it’s more of a tribute to how good I think Chipper would be there, than about him not being suited for the 3-hole anymore. If somebody else can slug at a high rate and knock in runs behind him, his OBP and bat control with Bourn on base ahead of him will be priceless in the 2-hole. It appeared that Prado didn’t like hitting 2nd with a base stealer ahead of him.
Hard to say at this point. I just hope it’s fluid if it needs to be.
Diamond Dave can’t sing anymore… makes me sad. He used to really be able to belt it out, now he’s more of a spoken word singer type.
I agree with ken… the band really wasn’t the same with Hagar. They seemed to be targeting their music to middle aged women who used to rock but now had kids and minivans.
All that said, though, I’ll take a non-singing Diamond Dave over Cherone. I like to pretend that album never happened.
February 13th, 20122:21 pm
“Most people, I assume, like Roth better than Hagar in Van Halen, but I actually like more of their songs in the Hagar era.” ChattTownBrian
I absolutely agree with you. I’m a bigger fan of Roth (back in the day), but actually really like the Sammy stuff.
I’ve just always seperated the two and considered it two different bands.
To add to that, I think that Eat Em’ and Smile (Roth’s first post-Van Halen solo album) is as good as anything Van Halen put out before it. Hard to argue with that trio of musicians Roth put together for that album (Steve Vai, Billy Sheehan, Greg Bissonnette).
Some great playing on that album.
February 13th, 20122:23 pm
Murph, I didn’t care for the Cherone album either. But I remember being excited about the possibility of that tour. Because there was so much Roth tunes they weren’t playing live with Hagar. And Cherone had the range to sing the Sammy stuff.
So at that time wanting to go watch Eddie play and see them play the classics it made sense. Unfortunately, the album sucked (a couple of cool tunes), and thus the tour was a bust. Never made it out to see them on that tour.
February 13th, 20122:25 pm
Beane is after every reliever too. Gonna try and sign Mike Gonzalez and trade for Koji Uehara. So that will give him a glut of middle relievers, corner outfielders….most of which make up for mediocre units. It’s really funny to see him operate like this. I feel bad for A’s fans. It’s a joke of a franchise.
February 13th, 20122:26 pm
But I have a feeling that Freeman might end up being the long-term 3-hole hitter for this team before Heyward.
I don’t think I could disagree more, and I’m a Freeman fan from way back. Of course, if you agree with Shaun that the 3-hole is merely good enough for the fourth-best hitter on the club, I might go along with you, LOL.
It appeared that Prado didn’t like hitting 2nd with a base stealer ahead of him.
If he had been having his usual offensive year and then tailed off when Bourn came over, I might be more inclined to agree. But, I don’t think you can make a call like that when a guy has an off-year. Too many other components in the suckage to focus on just one like that, especially one that is more mental than physical.
February 13th, 20122:30 pm
The Book says the #3 hitter comes to the plate with, on average, fewer runners on base than the #4 or #5 hitters. So why focus on putting a guy who can knock in runs in the #3 spot, when the two spots after him can benefit from it more? Surprisingly, because he comes to bat so often with two outs and no runners on base, the #3 hitter isn’t nearly as important as we think. This is a spot to fill after more important spots are taken care of.
There is a flaw in this logic. A gaping flaw.
February 13th, 20122:32 pm
10paul, i noticed that gaping flaw…its not even hiding. i feel bad for the guy.
Ya think, LOL?
Check it out. I thought this was interesting. He should have never left us for y’all’s greener pastures. I hope he makes it.
Mitch Mustain has signed a minor league deal with the White Sox
February 13th, 20122:33 pm
Even if Prado shows for sure hitting behind Bourn has some sort of negative effect on his approach at the plate, we at least don’t have to worry about Fredi leaving him there like Cox would do for months on end. Fredi has a much shorter fuse on these things and showed all us that last year. That’s a good thing imo.
That’s OK, I’m used to it…
Yeah, I really didn’t know much about him till we saw him on the CMA. If I hadn’t seen him play there, I might not have guessed he was a guitar player, much less a country singer. He’s kinda like Peter Moylen—looks like he’d be selling pharmaceuticals or something, but is really good at what he actually does…
February 13th, 20122:36 pm
I saw that. I hope he does well too.
“I don’t think I could disagree more, and I’m a Freeman fan from way back. Of course, if you agree with Shaun that the 3-hole is merely good enough for the fourth-best hitter on the club, I might go along with you, LOL.”
Scoots, common sense says Heyward is built for the 3-hole. All the tools. Except the ability to stay healthy. Could be fluke. Could be pattern. Too early to tell.
But from past conversations, you know I’m a believer in continuity in the lineup. So from that angle, (if we’re talking the ability to stay healthy) I might be inclinded to think Freeman might have the better outcome the next couple of years. Clearly if healthy, Heyward has few with his abilities.
But also clearly, when he’s not healthy, he’s a shell of what got him to the dance so quickly. Comes down to that “70 percent of the more talented guy” theory. I’m not buying it.
Healthy Heyward raking in the 3-hole changes the whole dynamic of the ENTIRE lineup. Same could be said for Chipper too.
February 13th, 20122:39 pm
Agree McFann. I’m not a huge fan of his singing or his tunes. He’s good and I’ll leave it at that. But as you’ve likely seen in past music comments from me, I’m a sucker for really good guitar players. Even if it means listening to some cheesy lyrics and tunes I wouldn’t normally tollerate.
I think in 25 years of playing, I’ve worked pretty hard at being a pretty solid guitar player. But am simply in awe of how effortless the “pros” make it look. So for that reason I consider myself a Vince Gill fan.
McFann: Vince Gill started very young in a country rock band in the 70’s called Pure Prairie League. They had a couple of big hits including “Amie”. He is considered an outstanding guitar player and session man, besides singing.
February 13th, 20122:44 pm
I think in 25 years of playing, I’ve worked pretty hard at being a pretty solid guitar player. But am simply in awe of how effortless the “pros” make it look
Not all the pros. A lot of the stuff that makes it to the radio is garbage.
Not me though. I make it look pretty effortless
February 13th, 20122:45 pm
Bingo kenhotlanta. You don’t get those Nashville session gigs with having some serious chops. Urban (as a guitar player) falls into the same category. Whether they’ve cheesed out for the sake of selling records is certainly up for debate. But anybody with a clue can’t deny those two guys their ability to pick it.
February 13th, 20122:48 pm
Totally agree jeffrey. Lot of garbage out there. Even from some seriously talented players/singers.
But when you watch guys like Roy Clark or Paisley do their thing it’s as though they could do it in their sleep and for that I’m jealous. I’m not saying they didn’t work at it. Had I spent as much time woodshedding in my parents basement as a teenager as I did chasing girls and partying, my playing would be much better. But at least I have some stories to tell my boys when they are old enough to hear them. LOL
February 13th, 20122:49 pm
That’s cool! Everyone’s got their own tastes—otherwise this would be a boring world…
I enjoy watching good musicians, too. Obviously I’m not as into it as some, though, and I don’t think I really listen to a very wide range of music…
Yeah, he’s been around a long time!… He plays a lot of different instruments besides the guitar, too. I know he also plays the banjo, and I think there are a couple others…
February 13th, 20122:51 pm
vince gill didn’t play on amy…he joined the group after craig fuller left, i think
For me, I split my music into categories.
Great technical players
Party rock/nostalgia music that reminds me of my youth.
And everything else.
I’m probably not as diverse of a fan as i should be. But depending on my mood I love it all for various reasons. Not much music I can’t find something nice to say about. Even if it takes a little effort and digging to say something nice. LOL
February 13th, 20122:53 pm
jeffrey d A lot of the stuff that makes it to the radio is garbage.
True that…ugh…some of it strikes me as an insult to the really good groups or people who are really good but undiscovered and would give almost anything to have the chance that the garbage-makers have.
Like all the stuff DOB posts and talks about. Usually not all my taste. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand why somebody might like any certain type of music.
But there is definitely some pure crap out there. Always has been. That isn’t ever going to change.
New Mexico Lee
February 13th, 20122:55 pm
N8, some of those preformances last night at the Grammy’s would require a lot of digging to find something nice to say about them.
February 13th, 20122:58 pm
I didn’t watch last night, but my wife said it was hard to watch at times. And she’s usually more easily impressed than I am. She likes a lot of music I don’t care for. LOL
Don in TN
February 13th, 20123:00 pm
Vince Gill playing bluegrass with Pederson/Grisman on an old Stanley Brothers tune:
I’m not saying they didn’t work at
Some guys are just naturally gifted. I know this 16 year old who is an absolute prodigy. He can shred with the best of them. And I don’t think he even tries that hard.
February 13th, 20123:01 pm
I’m a “live” guy. I’ve never considered myself a Garth Brooks fan. But my wife suckered me into going about 10 years ago or so and it was one of the best “shows” I’ve been to. Fantastic band of talented musicians playing songs I didn’t care for. But I enjoyed it.
I’ve got much respect for anybody that gets up there and does it and does it well. Even if that means playing a “bad” song well. Too much studio magic these days. So when you see a current pop star that can actually sing or play live, I’m left pleasantly surprised.
Read The Book, ncscoots and TennesseePaul. The numbers two and four hitters should be the best all-around hitters, with the leadoff man being a great on-base guy (whether he has speed or not).
ncscoots, it’s not about whether you agree or disagree with me about the number three hitter or about batting orders in general. It’s whether you are aware of the data. Don’t try to make this about me. It’s about what’s there for anyone who treads through the data to see. That’s fine if you don’t trust what’s there for all to see and instead want to go with how things seem to you, at the expense of looking at what is actually there. It’s fine if you think you are wiser than the evidence. When the data reveals that you are wrong, you can take comfort in knowing that you are wiser, while the rest of us are busy seeking the truth.
February 13th, 20123:02 pm
N8, very painful. Can’t tell you how many times I said “What the heck is that”!
February 13th, 20123:07 pm
Here’s more detail on batting orders from The Book (which digs into actual research on batting orders instead of someone person view of how batting orders should be constructed):
- Put your best hitters in the #2 and #4 spots, with the better slugger hitting cleanup. The leadoff hitter should be of similar quality and have high on-base skills.
- The #3 hitter should be of a lower quality than the 1, 2, and 4 hitters because he comes up in lower leverage situations on average (ie, he comes up more often with 2 outs and nobody on). In fact, the #5 hitter gets the higher overall run value chances vs the #3 hitter.
- The #3 hitter faces the most double play situations.
- Leverage your good baserunners by putting them in front of good hitters, regardless of their power numbers. Ideally, the hitter should be one who puts the ball in play a lot and hits a lot of singles and doubles.
- In attempting to optimize the batting order, any single lineup alteration is likely to result in a only a very small gain (usually less than one run over the course of an entire season).
This is from the following post: http://nomaas.org/2010/02/batting-order-for-geeks/
February 13th, 20123:10 pm
Don’t try to make this about me.
…you can take comfort in knowing that you are wiser, while the rest of us are busy seeking the truth.
There’s a flaw in this logic as well.
McFann: Huge Vince Gill fan here. Big fan of “Pocket Full of Gold” CD.
I’ve been told by a few people not to rent “Drive.” I still probably will ’cause too many people are now talking about it. LOL
I simply don’t get how anyone could’ve sat through “Tree of Life”, however. 40 minutes I’ll never get back.
We need some baseball.
On that note, any avid fantasy baseball players interested in an NL only keeper league? Let me know…
February 13th, 20123:12 pm
“Some guys are just naturally gifted. I know this 16 year old who is an absolute prodigy. He can shred with the best of them. And I don’t think he even tries that hard.”
Yeah. I used to jam with a guy in high school that the Marines BEGGED him to join so he could be in their traveling band and he passed. Didn’t care. Now he does session work at Paisley Park in Minneapolis and other session/commercial gigs. But that dude NEVER learned the tunes. Just listened to them a few times, always had to be reminded of the key it was in and was the best player in our band. Made me want to punch him.
Johnny Lang is from Fargo only a couple hundred miles from me. And I used to go watch him as a 15-16 year old at a local bar. I’m not a huge fan of what he’s done as a “famous” artist. But at that time it was simply amazing to see a kid that young play. In fact that’s how he was billed. “Kid Johnny Lang”.
February 13th, 20123:13 pm
Read The Book, ncscoots and TennesseePaul.
I own the book. Bought it when it came out. Read it as well. If I recall correctly, scoots has as well.
You need to learn to tame your wild assumptions of others.
February 13th, 20123:15 pm
shaun The #3 hitter should be of a lower quality than the 1, 2, and 4 hitters because he comes up in lower leverage situations on average (ie, he comes up more often with 2 outs and nobody on).
scoots says with decent OBP at 1 and 2, the #3 hitter comes up with a runner on and only 1 out about 57% of the time in the first inning.
also, wouldnt putting a worse hitter at #3 hurt the impact of a good hitter at #4?
I have always been skeptical of batting order data and simulations, because they use numbers compiled from players who are batting in a conventional batting order. it seems impossible to make these generalizations without specific players being considered.
February 13th, 20123:16 pm
“Not all the pros. A lot of the stuff that makes it to the radio is garbage.”
Co-Sign on that post….
In filling out a batting order, yes you go on data and stats etc. But also you go on feel. Ask any manager about filling out a batting order and you will see they do look at data but its also about feel. You cannot get that by any book.
February 13th, 20123:18 pm
When the data reveals that you are wrong, you can take comfort in knowing that you are wiser, while the rest of us are busy seeking the truth.
How wonderfully Branch-Davidian of you….
February 13th, 20123:21 pm
You can’t beat no old Alice N Chains, Soundgarden, Greta, Gwar, Crowbar, and old Henry Rollins…
All of that is good stuff…
February 13th, 20123:22 pm
Don in TN—
Thanks for the link! I’ll check that out…
CooL! I’ll have to look at that album…”Guitar Slinger” is the only one of his I own so far, but I definitely want to buy more…
That we do!
The #3 hitter should be of a lower quality than the 1, 2, and 4 hitters because he comes up in lower leverage situations on average (ie, he comes up more often with 2 outs and nobody on).
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe there is only on first inning of every game… Meaning the above situation of the 3-hole hitter coming up with 2 outs and no one on really only happens once game. And that’s assuming the first two batters recorded outs. Speaking in typical terms, of course. That’s essentially like saying you’re leadoff hitter has to be best on base and speed guy to set the table every inning…when in fact the leadoff hitter typically leads off an inning only once a game. Maybe twice, but not at any great pattern. Baseball is a game of adjustments and variables, not a math equation etched in stone. Just my take, tho. No right or wrong opinions, I suppose.
“Read The Book”
Shaun the Evangelical. Have you heard The Word?.
February 13th, 20123:23 pm
The “logic” of many on here: It seems like the sun is going around the earth. I think I’ll believe what it seems to me, rather than what the data and evidence strongly suggests and the scientists who have researched the motion of planets and suns over the centuries. No, what things seem to me is all that matters. I’m wiser than all that other stuff. I’ll believe my own little fairytales over all that other stuff. All that other stuff just boring and isn’t romantic and some geeks who live in their mothers’ basements probably thought up that the earth revolves around the sun, so therefore I’m not going to believe it. I don’t want to seem like a geek. I don’t want to go against the macho club. Therefore, ain’t no way I’m believing all that junk that science and evidence and data strongly suggests is true. I can’t be no sissy or be like no northern elitist homo.
I have been on that old Counting Crows Tip as well as old STP and Montley Crue as well…Good Stuff
February 13th, 20123:24 pm
McFann, that was in the early 80s. Vince was the one in the picture with the long hair! Hope you like the bluegrass, it’s my favorite kind of music.
I didn’t watch last night, but my wife said it was hard to watch at times.
Hi scoots and nolie and em.
February 13th, 20123:25 pm
Shaun you are telling people to read a book that at the very end states batting orders are …”any single line up alteration is likely to result in a only a very small gain (usually less than one run over the course of an entire season).”
Seriously, your idea of truth is one run extra over 162 game season? I would guess the human element is much more important than that. Things like a professional clubhouse, limiting outside distractions, not throwing players under the bus….wanting to play for a certain manager.
Why can’t you admit that your “data” in some cases is totally useless. OBP is great much better than BA. But there are very few folks that want to read a book to squeeze one more run out per season. Baseball is entertainment….
February 13th, 20123:27 pm
Maybe more Illuminati than Evangelist?
February 13th, 20123:30 pm
I myself am not saying data is not useful. You will find managers on every level will utilize data to a certain level. But you will also find that every one of them will use their own gut feeling, hunch etc in filling out a lineup.
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