Braves could move Class-A team to Wilmington, N.C.

The Braves are interested in moving their Class-A team from Lynchburg, Va., to Wilmington, N.C., and Wilmington officials are going to see if they can make it happen.

Wilmington’s City Council voted unanimously Tuesday night to begin negotiations with the Braves and Mandalay Baseball Properties, and to explore the level of public support, potential cost and funding for a ballpark necessary to bring the team to the coastal city.

Braves general manager Frank Wren and former manager Bobby Cox attended Tuesday’s meeting in Wilmington. The Wilmington Star-News reported there was a packed house in the council chambers, including many fans in Braves attire.

Cox also traveled to Wilmington in November to discuss the possibility of bringing a Braves affiliate to the city.

The city council agreed Tuesday to enter a six-month negotiation period with the Braves and Mandalay through July 31, with an option to extend if necessary. To entice the city to build a ballpark – estimated cost, at least $35 million — the Braves and Mandalay have offered a 20-year lease guarantee. The Braves and Mandalay would co-own the team.

The Braves’  Lynchburg affiliate is an independently owned team in the advanced Class-A Carolina League. The Braves switched from Myrtle Beach, S.C. to Lynchburg after the 2010 season, when Myrtle Beach Pelicans president Chuck Greenberg’s group purchased the Texas Rangers and switched the Pelicans to the Rangers organization.

The Braves signed a four-year deal with Lynchburg that runs through the 2014 season, so there is presumably some urgency for Wilmington to try to get a plan in place for a new ballpark in time for the 2015 season.

Mandalay owns or at least consults with six minor league teams in various organizations.

The Braves own all of their own affiliates other than Lynchburg, and have recently built ballparks in place at all of their other full-season affiliates at low Class-A Rome, Double-A Mississippi and Triple-A Gwinnett.

While there were plenty of hopeful Braves fans at Tuesday’s council meeting, the Wilmington Star-News also reported there were some sign-carrying protestors, expressing opposition to public funding for a ballpark.

The paper quoted one councilwoman who voted for the six-month exploratory negotiation period but said that it would be wrong for taxpayers to pay increased rates to fund a new ballpark.

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Bravo_F 52

February 7th, 2012
11:34 pm

Bravo_F 52

February 7th, 2012
11:36 pm

Whats Lynchburg chopped liver

wayn-o

February 8th, 2012
12:20 am

hey fort myers, FL has an open stadium… we currently have the Red Sox old spring training facility because they built a brand new one. Plus the Miracle are here too, twins A-ball.

RPollardRealtor

February 8th, 2012
1:03 am

Why don’t they use the Champion Stadium where their spring training site is? The Phillies, Blue Jays, Yankees, Tigers,Orioles, Pirates all use their spring training sites for their high A minor league affiliate..

RPollardRealtor

February 8th, 2012
1:05 am

@wayn-o,

the reason the redsox built a new stadium for their spring training is because the one that is their currently sucks!!!!! I live in Tampa and will never travel to ft. meyers again to watch spring training including the twins. That city is just a dump!

Stinger2

February 8th, 2012
4:00 am

DOB: I assume that you are aware the story about the Braves new weekend uniforms made headlines in the national media (Ex. Yahoo) yesterday. The background and reasons for the change were that Braves wanted to right a long standing political injustice. Curious as to why you did not mention any of this in your story.

59bulldawg

February 8th, 2012
4:33 am

Again the Braves prove they are more than willing to screw over its fans in Virginia. The Braves universe keeps getting smaller. They used to be America’s team. Pretty soon all its minor league affiliates will be in Georgia. And that’ s a shame because some of my best baseball memories are watching the games played in Richmond.

Rich

February 8th, 2012
6:04 am

This headline needs to make clear that you’re NOT talking about Rome, which will be of far more interest to area readers.

RomeDawg

February 8th, 2012
6:26 am

Correction….the taxpayers built them a new stadium with SPLOST money.

MikeY

February 8th, 2012
6:40 am

I live in the Wilmington area and I am a huge Braves fan.

The team needs to be within driving distance of other teams in the Carolina League (Which has teams in NC/SC/VA/DE). So a stadium in Florida would likely mean a change in league.

Another issue is that Wilmington is not in the Braves broadcast area (we are unfortunately in the Nats/Orioles region, as determined by MLB). So games on Fox Sports South (which the cable systems here do carry) are blacked out when the Bravos play. Instead, we see the ads for the games, then actually get a replay of the 1986 Rose bowl, or somesuch. What a tease. And none of the cable networks here carry Peachtree TV. And none of the cable networks here carry MASN, which has the Nats and Orioles, either. So we have a dearth of baseball coverage on TV. Choices are ESPN, TBS or Fox games occasionally, or get DirecTV and get the MLB package, or get the MLB.TV package from MLB. A few of the cable companies do carry the MLB channel (but mine does not).

My hope is that we get the Braves Lynchburg minor league team in Wilmington, and the MLB brass, with pressure from the Braves, assign our region to the Braves rather than the Nats/Orioles. That way I could at least watch the Braves on Fox Sports South.

Ted Turner

February 8th, 2012
6:53 am

I never should have taken the Double A Braves team out of Savannah.

RonnieFranchise

February 8th, 2012
7:16 am

Here in Wilmington as well. Would be a great move! Wilmington needs a team to support oter than the minor league soccer team and university teams (no football).
And currently, the current am sports station carries Yankees baseball! Arrrrrrghhbb! I will take 4 season tickets, where do I sign up! Go Braves.

Ryan

February 8th, 2012
7:39 am

DOB,

Can either you ask John Schuerholz or can you ask Tim Tucker to ask John Schuerholz about the following statement, released to fans in an open letter shortly after the Sept. collapse, and if he fills that his orgainization has “repaired its weaknesses?” Thanks.

From John Schuerholz, Oct. 6:

“However, our performance in the month of September was unacceptable to all in the organization, and we will evaluate and analyze our missteps to do all we can to prevent this from happening again. Our General Manager, Frank Wren, and his staff have already begun to evaluate our team and will be focusing throughout the off-season on building upon the strengths of this team and repairing our weaknesses to achieve our goal.”

'Merica's Pasttime

February 8th, 2012
7:39 am

Seems like a good move for the Braves and especially for Wilmington.

It’s interesting to analyze minor league baseball in the Southeast: 4 Class-A leagues (South Atlantic, Carolina, Appalachian, and Florida State) with a total of 44 teams. Both AA (Southern League, 10 teams) and AAA (International League, 5 teams in GA, NC, VA, KY) leagues have a notable presence in the South. That’s 58 teams across 13 states…it’s incredible.

I don’t go to many Atlanta Braves games, maybe one or two a year, but it is always a great experience to take the daughter up to Rome or Chattanooga for a game during the summer. I hope to catch a G-Braves game this year, as well as a day trip to see a game in Alabama, perhaps Huntsville or Birmingham.

Big Irish Mike

February 8th, 2012
8:05 am

Went to Lynchburg game last summer while on vacation. They do a fine job up there. What is the real reason to change? As with the Gwinnett Braves if you build they don’t always come ! ! 35 million please you know it will be much more when it is done.. Cost over runs are normal.I have gone to a come GBraves game and with the exception of opening week and Bobby Cox day most don’t come close to being half full. But then again I don’t live there so not my tax money.

Gil In Mechanicsville

February 8th, 2012
8:05 am

MikeY Having a minor league ball club will not cause Washington and Baltimore to cede territorial TV rights to the Braves.

I pay the money for the MLB package to DirecTV so I can follow the Braves and I am pretty sure that is exactly the way Major League Baseball wants it to be.

Buddy Landell

February 8th, 2012
8:12 am

I don’t understand why the Braves are avoiding the Florida State League. There’s already a venue there.

meh

February 8th, 2012
8:35 am

Good luck with that. We’ll be paying for the Gwinnett ballpark into the next millennium!

BLK09GT

February 8th, 2012
8:36 am

Wilmington is a really nice town. Visited a couple years ago on vacation. Lots of stuff to do, parks museums, Battleship, Film industry tours, very close to Carolina Beach. Add to it a Braves team and I could make it my regular vacation spot.

richbrave

February 8th, 2012
8:40 am

“……….While there were plenty of hopeful Braves fans at Tuesday’s council meeting, the Wilmington Star-News also reported there were some sign-carrying protestors, expressing opposition to public funding for a ballpark.

The paper quoted one councilwoman who voted for the six-month exploratory negotiation period but said that it would be wrong for taxpayers to pay increased rates to fund a new ballpark……….”

Exact same issue which led to the BRAVES leaving RICHMOND. The city and surrounding area still refuse to fund a park. Now San Fran is unhappy about the facility here and wants a new stadium. They won’t get it. With almost 20% of the area’s population existing at or below the poverty line, it’s just immoral to consider local government’s handing over tens of millions for a new facility just to collect rent. Ain’t going to happen.

Bill

February 8th, 2012
8:50 am

Play ball and stop the bitching…….

Burdell 90

February 8th, 2012
8:52 am

The reason the team will not come to Champion Stadium is the MOUSE!! They own it, they control it, and the cost is too high. It has been tried before. The Orlando Rays moved from Tinker Field because of the allure of the Mouse and the feeling that it would increase attendance…it did for a little bit, but the cost of tickets, parking, and food was just too much. Disney is not going to give any control away. They finally broke the lease after 4 years and became the Biscuits(Montgomery, AL). Games were great at Tinker, just got old. It felt like an old time baseball stadium.

Agree with the smart a** comment that they should have never given up on Savannah!!

richbrave

February 8th, 2012
9:00 am

GIL:

Great to see your post. Heal up man, and let’s get to LYNCHBURG before they blow town. I want to see who succeeds with their promo from ROME.

Bluestreak

February 8th, 2012
9:10 am

The reason for the move has nothing to do with Lynchburg or VA…it has to do with owning all of their affiliates in the minor leagues. If the Hillcats want to just become the Braves (or at least be owned by them) then this may not be an issue. Maybe this is all just a ploy to get just that.

Reid in EAV

February 8th, 2012
9:12 am

I am a baseball fan and a Braves fan, and I go to lots of games. That said, public funding for a stadium is never a good deal. “Field Of Schemes” pretty much proved that. (And I think people in Gwinnett now belatedly realize that.) Public funding, private profit. No thank you.

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

February 8th, 2012
9:27 am

how much does beer cost in wilmington compared to lynchburg??

Buddy Landell

February 8th, 2012
9:27 am

The Astros facility in Kissimmee is not in use during the minor league season either

TennesseePaul

February 8th, 2012
9:28 am

Do it! Would love to have the Braves this close to Raleigh.

Mayor Bill

February 8th, 2012
9:32 am

First myself and the Wilmington city council built a downtown parking deck that is a financial drain on the city coffers. Then we soaked the taxpayers for a convention center that will gush red ink for years to come.The city council promised major hotels but any sane developer did the numbers and they didn’t jive. After the NC legislature changed hands, they put an end to Wilmington’s favorite budget deficit solution, forced annexation of unincorporated New Hanover county.
So my cohorts and I are now selling our friends on the local media that the Braves are going to bankroll this next white elephant over the next 2 decades by selling out our planned 6,000 seat stadium on a regular basis.
We figure that if we can get enough Atlanta Braves fans to drive from SC, GA and AL this thing might actually pay for itself. I just hope no one hears about our crime rate after dark downtown that ranges from drunken brawls to muggings, to auto break-ins, to occasional stabbings, shootings, and rapes.
And now that we have a stadium, maybe big companies might come and book conventions so our new center can thrive.
And on the positive side, having a bright shinning new taxpayer paid stadium might light a fire under those people from Raleigh to push my other pet project, the new Cape Fear Skyway across the Cape Fear River where family and friends have purchased key properties in the path of the roadway. But’s that’s another story. Life is good when you control the local media………

don

February 8th, 2012
9:36 am

Wilmington is an obvious place for a Carolina League team. The forced move from Myrtle Beach was unfortunate for te Braves. On the other hand, we who live in the MB area havelearned in one season that the Rangers do a much better job than do the Braves in thir minor league system. The Braves minor league program is not remotely what it was when the Braves first came to MB in 1999.

Wilmington would be a natural rival for the Pelicans since the two cdities are about 70 miles apart. Also, with a new stadium, the Wilmington Braves would draw far, far more than do the Lynchburg Hillcats.

I say make the move as soon as possible. Although I have become a Rangers fan due to the change (the abominable Teixeira trade contributed heavily), it ould be nice to make the trip to Wilmington to see the prospects.

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
9:36 am

@4:00am……..”Curious as to why you did not mention any of this”
I cannot answer that question for DOB, but I would speculate that the reason he did not mention it, is that the story on YahOO is BS(as in manure).
Duk, the hack that wrote the article you are referring to is one of the idiots that used to write for the Shutdown Corner(I’m pretty sure that he did).
He is on the same level as Chris Chase, Jay Busbee, and Jeff Passan of Yahoo, and most of the other Yahoo hacks.
IMO, none of them are in the same league as DOB.

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
9:38 am

And when I say none of them, I mean all of the Yahoo “writers”.

Mayor Bill

February 8th, 2012
9:46 am

Oh I forgot to add that we lead the state in DUI arrests. And occasionally we have DUI roadblocks leaving downtown in case you are staying in a hotel or beach outside of downtown.
We also have a brand new fleet of unmarked Camaros, Mustangs and Chargers that write thousands of speeding tickets for as little as 5mph over the limit. We also put officers in maintennce trucks with laser guns in the daytime. Got to keep that revenue flowing!!
You’all come back!!

Bill

February 8th, 2012
9:48 am

I went to many games when the Braves were here in Savannah.While we had a great time(mainly on Suds night) the stadium was old and in disrepair and the Braves didn’t exactly get outstanding support.

John

February 8th, 2012
9:57 am

Thanks alot Braves! First you take MY team the Richmond Braves away and now your trying to take away our team in Lynchburg! What is so wrong with Lynchburg anyway?? It is a nice, well run and popular stadium! Gwinnett was a TERRIBLE idea and it shows with the attendance. Look at the Richmond Flying Squirrels attendance….its one of the highest in the minor league! 59bulldawg is right, the Braves were once Americas team but not anymore.

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
10:03 am

here’s an actual baseball related topic for any who care to listen. strictly hypothetical of course, if we limp into the allstar break (Hanson and/or Jurrjens and/or Chipper and/or McCann and/or Prado back on the DL would obviously contribute to this) would we still get to see a full year of Bourn leading off? or would our illustrious GM send him packing for trade fodder?

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
10:04 am

I will step into the stadium talk for one comment, why do you folks in VA not get that it makes no sense for the Braves to be there anymore? There’s a division rival, MLB team in VA now!

Ryan

February 8th, 2012
10:08 am

reckingball,

Can you ask DOB to ask John Schuerholz or can you ask DOB to ask Tim Tucker to ask John Schuerholz or maybe ask the hack “writers” at Yahoo! to ask John Schuerholz about the following statement, released to fans in an open letter shortly after the Sept. collapse, and if he fills that his orgainization has “repaired its weaknesses?” Thanks.

From John Schuerholz, Oct. 6:

“However, our performance in the month of September was unacceptable to all in the organization, and we will evaluate and analyze our missteps to do all we can to prevent this from happening again. Our General Manager, Frank Wren, and his staff have already begun to evaluate our team and will be focusing throughout the off-season on building upon the strengths of this team and repairing our weaknesses to achieve our goal.”

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
10:09 am

@Ryan, it’s “feels” not “fills” for God’s sake man!

bill

February 8th, 2012
10:10 am

actually I live in Fayetteville NC and we consistently have the highest attendance in the arena football league we play in (5000+), the coastal plains summer college league (2000+) and the southern hockey league(4000). We outdraw Wilmington in every sport and we have a huge military fan base here that follow the teams that play the Braves. Wilmington is a major mistake I think and it shrinks in comparison to the other coastal city draws. The coastal plains team there is owned by the Fayetteville team owners. Fayetteville is a big baseball town. The one guy who wrote about the annexation by cities in NC that has been halted by the state and now cities will have to live within their means and provide services to areas already annexed. I am afraid Wilmington is a bad choice but what has Wren and Cox done recently to improve the organization..oh yeah Fredi G.

tardawg

February 8th, 2012
10:11 am

Wilmington could be nice, but what about historical Kinston stadiums since the Indians are leaving town. Nice option.

good idea

February 8th, 2012
10:18 am

There’s are currently 2 Braves minor league teams in Virginia (the other is the rookie league team in Danville). I like this move.

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
10:20 am

Ryan @ 10:08am…….I don’t have DOB’s phone number, but if I ever meet him, I will ask him for you, and then get back to you with the answer. Hey, wait a minute, I don’t have your phone number either, nevermind.
Perhaps you can write him a letter and find out for yourself.

bill

February 8th, 2012
10:20 am

didn’t Richmond build the Ballpark so the Braves would stay. It is not that old but the owners in sports are soaking the fans and the city. Hell they gave Steinbrenner a million dollars to help build the new Yankee Stadium in a city that has 20 water main breaks a day. You gotta love thos free tickets for city officials what a great investment .

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
10:21 am

Because, I really don’t care.

good idea

February 8th, 2012
10:23 am

It would be nice if the Braves could buy this team and own all of their minor league affiliates.

Anybody know if they own the Danville team? That wasn’t mentioned in the article.

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
10:23 am

Maybe you should write a letter to SHuerholz and get an explanation from the horse’s mouth, .

John

February 8th, 2012
10:28 am

BravesFanSince80’s you should understand since your such a long time fan that we want to keep our Braves teams since we are ultimately Braves fans! Am I just supposed to become a Nationals fan just because geographically they are the closest to me now??? HELL NO. I am a Braves fan for life and for the record VA does not have a major league team….its the city of Washington DC!

tardawg

February 8th, 2012
10:31 am

bill@fay good perception that’s why i suggested Kinston for the fan base around Camp Lejeune, not a bad 20-30 minute ride for the Carolina league it would be great for traveling.

David O'Brien

February 8th, 2012
10:35 am

John (9:57 a.m.), the Braves don’t own their affiliate in Lynchburg. They would own (or co-own) the team in Wilmington, and would only be going there if a new ballpark is built for them.

The Braves signed a 4-year deal to move there in 2011 because they got squeezed out of Myrtle Beach when M.B. Pelicans owner became part of a group that bought Rangers and switched the Pelicans to the Rangers organization.

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
10:39 am

Stinger2 @4:00am……For the record, DOB did mention the replacement of the Braves warrior head, with crossed tomahawks in his article, due to “political correctness”.

Mayor Bill

February 8th, 2012
10:45 am

Hey I forgot to tell you all that 45% of the residents in Greater Wilmington area are from the North and are Yankee, Mets, Red Sox, Oriole, Pirate, Reds, Indian and Phillies fans. But that doesn’t matter because if the numbers run red after a few years, we can just jack up individual property tax bills another couple of hundred dollars a year or so to balance things out. But I can do what I want because a lot of our city council seats are at large seats so my cohorts are next to impossible to defeat. Plus the local media worships me and my hero, Barry.

ecp

February 8th, 2012
10:46 am

What happens to the minor league team already operating in Wilmington, are they just going to toss them out? It’s a rookie ball team, but still…

beachcomber

February 8th, 2012
10:50 am

Had always hoped sometime in my lifetime the Braves would have a team in the FSL. This pretty much seals the deal that won’t happen. At least, we get a three game set against the Rays on Florida’s left coast this year.

Buddy Landell

February 8th, 2012
10:59 am

beachcomber, I agree. I live across the state from you in Palm Beach Gardens. I’ve been to all the Spring Training and minor league parks in Florida, save the Yankees and Red Sox. It sure would be nice to have the braves down here.

randy cason

February 8th, 2012
11:03 am

i hate baseball!

duronimop

February 8th, 2012
11:12 am

My brother live in Lynchburg and I have spent some time there. It’s a city where the economic down
turn has meant zero. Things are blowing and going up there. The team is well supported. This looks like blackmail … to get them to build a brand new stadium. Of course for you Republicans, those stadiums are subsidized by the taxpayers …. But I guess welfare is ok if the money doesn’t go to the poor.

Ryan

February 8th, 2012
11:15 am

BravesFanSince80’s,

Thanks for the correction. Auto correct: what you going to do, huh? Anyway, can you ask DOB to ask John Schuerholz or can you ask DOB to ask Tim Tucker to ask John Schuerholz or maybe ask the hack “writers” at Yahoo! to ask John Schuerholz about the following statement, released to fans in an open letter shortly after the Sept. collapse, and if he feels that his orgainization has “repaired its weaknesses?” Thanks.

From John Schuerholz, Oct. 6:

“However, our performance in the month of September was unacceptable to all in the organization, and we will evaluate and analyze our missteps to do all we can to prevent this from happening again. Our General Manager, Frank Wren, and his staff have already begun to evaluate our team and will be focusing throughout the off-season on building upon the strengths of this team and repairing our weaknesses to achieve our goal.”

Ryan

February 8th, 2012
11:23 am

reckingball,

I would write the Braves this letter asking John Schuerholz about the following statement, released to fans in an open letter shortly after the Sept. collapse, and if he feels that his orgainization has “repaired its weaknesses?” But, under the current set up, there is a reporter assigned to this topic from this newspaper that does these things for profit. If everyone went off asking their individual questions of the franchise, then folks like this fine reporter would be the middle man out. No offense to anyone and I don’t mean to take away from the discussion of possible minor league host sites or throwback jerseys. And I know I will get hammered for thinking this is relevant to baseball discussion around here, I just would like to know management’s answer to this question. And if this isn’t the proper forum for suggestions, then I also am sorry to both David and this newspaper.

What Up ?

February 8th, 2012
11:24 am

Ryan, getting those new uniforms and releasing Derek Lowe solves everything. The ownership is in denial that other teams in the East have caught up with and passed them with talent. They believe that Chipper can stay healthy,Heyward can refind his swing,Prado can refind his swing,Jurrjens,Hudson,Hanson are healthy and won’t reinjure themselves. That’s a lot to hope for. That kinda stuff usualy blows up in yer face !

Ryan

February 8th, 2012
11:28 am

And, just for the record, a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ from anyone here, including DOB, would be followed by a ‘thanks’ or ‘thanks, sorry’ depending on the response. Again, if this isn’t the correct forum for these questions then I again offer my apologies.

Who Cares

February 8th, 2012
11:28 am

About the new uniforms ? They can all play in Spider-Man pajamas as long as they win the East.

Who Cares

February 8th, 2012
11:32 am

I’m sorry but I don’t think Jason Heyward is a major league player yet. He should be at AA learning how to hit.

Ryan

February 8th, 2012
11:34 am

What Up?,

You know, I really don’t have a preconcieved notion on whether this team has or hasn’t taken the right course of action. I really have not. It seems like a lot to wish for, especially when its listed as you have, but I had high expectations for this team last year. So, unless I backtrack, I would have to feel the same simply be default. I am bit believer in Jason and think that if things come around to where McCann isn’t counted on so much for his offense (because everyone else picks up the slack) I think this team can win 95 plus. But it IS a lot to hang hope on and I am curious to hear if this management, especially after issuing such a statement in Oct. feels the same. It probably comes down to health, as always. But, I am willing to bet, that if phrased that way, you would likely to get a very interesting response.

Felix

February 8th, 2012
11:51 am

I would like a move to Wilmington.

K.K.

February 8th, 2012
11:58 am

Frank and Bobby: K.K. like ocean, but K.K. stuck in Mississippi and need job.
Pitch Single A batters real good most times.

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
12:12 pm

@John in VA, so the Braves should continue to do business well within the fanbase range of the Nat’s because you and however many hold-outs are still Braves fans? I’m not holding my breath on that one and I’m pretty sure MLB doesn’t do business that way. One more question, are we all to believe the Nats shouldn’t consider most of VA within their fanbase because Washington is in the District of Columbia? Once again, I don’t think MLB does business that way…

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
12:16 pm

@Ryan, no they have not made any significant additions to shore up the offense but seem to be subscribing to the theories of “addition by subtraction” and “we can’t possibly hit as bad as last year THIS year”…

Fulton

February 8th, 2012
12:23 pm

The Braves need to fire Frank Wren and move the AAA team back to Richmond. Ask Wren for thoughts on what to do with the park in Gwinnett on his way out the door.

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
12:27 pm

Do some of these fans expect Wren and Co. to go out and bid for players like Pujols and Fielder? Do they want the Braves to sign them to the ridiculous contracts that they received, from the teams that got them?

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
12:33 pm

In a few years after they are worn out and have run out of gas, then the teams that signed them, will be stuck with having to keep on paying them.
Just like the Braves and Lowe.
I suppose that it would have been some good bitching material(in the future), for some of these Braves fans, if the Braves had of been able to sign someone like that.

David O'Brien

February 8th, 2012
12:38 pm

Given the proliferation of Kool-Aid refusals on the blog lately, refusing to use Kool-Aid in a metaphor will soon become the new refusal to drink the Kool-Aid.

Go Go Pilots

February 8th, 2012
12:48 pm

First the uniforms are nice should have the Braves screamin Face on front of the Road uniforms and dam the Indian Movement crap…..they get over i like see Indians original face back too…no cow down to AIM…that the american idiots Movements indians for that have idea…..No matter the change if Frank Wren teams starts at 9-22 he should Fired ….freddi on hot seat also if he tips his hat again i scream!..Oh by the way Phillies Marlins Nats Braves and Mets will be in this order at end of season!

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
12:54 pm

reckingball, I for one, would like to have seen a trade involving JJ and some prospects for a big bat, and before you start in on budget constraints let me finish. the Braves should have offered very little if any raise to ANYONE who played poorly last year and kept more money in the budget as a result. if players refused to accept that if they played poorly, they didn’t deserve a raise, bye bye! now if JJ’s contract had been gone and raises had not been take out, that should have left room for a decent bat, not a Pujols or Fielder bat mind you (wouldn’t have wanted either of them anyway) but a bat in the outfield that could have had a huge impact on the lineup. some of us are more realistic in our expectations than you seem to think…

Clinton

February 8th, 2012
1:02 pm

I’m in the process of relocating to Wilmington from Richmond, Va. Hoping the Braves do move this class A team from Lynchburg to Wilmington. If so, I’ll be a season ticket holder.

59bulldawg

February 8th, 2012
1:18 pm

I love baseball and I love the Braves. The stadium at Richmond didn’t need to be scrapped, it was just an older stadium that needed a few repairs. But the Braves blackmailed the city. “Build us a new stadium or we’re gone.” Never mind the great fan support over the years . . . and still evident with the Flying Squirrels. But it’s hard for me to become a die hard fan of any other team besides the Braves, and especially one named the Flying Squirrels. I don’t pull for a much better big league club . . . the Nationals for the same reason. They’re NOT the Braves! I’ve been a fan since Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson planyed outfield with Hank. I’ve been there with them through all the futility of the 70s and much of the 80s. So have many Virginia fans! That’s what made 1991 and after so much fun. We remained Braves fans through thick and thin and cheered the future big league stars at Richmond when they were nobody. I didn’t get a chance last year but had planned to take in a few games at Lynchburg this season. It’s approximately 150 miles from where I live to Lynchburg . . . about 100 miles more than the AAA team used to be. But now I may just save my money to buy MLB Extra Innings again and catch the team live in DC when they come to town. No sense in driving to Lynchburg if they’re only going to be there temporarily. I’d rather just go to the local county park and watch amateur baseball. And oh, by the way, regarding the team in Danville. Danville from Northern Virginia is almost like driving from Atlanta to Valdosta. It’s a hike and not a likely destination unless you’re already planning to be in the area. Richmond, being centrally located, was easily able to draw fans from Northern Virginia, Southside, the Valley, and over towards the coast. The team in Lynchburg is great to have and I believe it is getting great support which would only grow the longer the team stays but for those of us north of Fredericksburg, you really want to have to go there. Hey I know I’m beating a dead horse here, but Virginia fans have a long history of supporting the Braves. It’s just too bad our support is taken for granted.

59bulldawg

February 8th, 2012
1:29 pm

Next to last sentence above should read:

The team in Lynchburg is great to have and I believe it is getting great support which would only grow the longer the team stays there but for those of us north of Fredericksburg, you really have to want to go there to get there.

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
1:30 pm

I guess the folks in Idaho Falls should be pissed too

59bulldawg

February 8th, 2012
2:06 pm

Maybe but that was a rookie league team if I remember correctly . . . just like Danville. But it’s an apples and oranges comparison when you figure in that Richmond was a AAA team . . . the last step for most players before they get to Atlanta. Why pray tell would anyone want to put the AAA team only a short drive from the the big league team in the next county over. Yeah I know the players can get there faster but doesn’t it end up as oversaturation of the market? BTW BravesFanSince80s, how long was the Braves affiliate in Idaho Falls? I don’t remember!

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
2:22 pm

over the decades as the number of MLB teams has grown, geographic fanbases have shrunk, it is what it is…

59bulldawg

February 8th, 2012
3:12 pm

I understand that! But don’t you think it odd that a MLB team builds up a fan base through its minor league affiliates and then thinks nothing of abandoning them. You probably don’t remember all the gimmicks Ted Turner used to get fans in Atlanta Fulton County Stadium back in the 70s. I can remember, when I lived in Athens, going to a game and there were only a few hundred people in the stands. There will probably again come a day when the team won’t be as successful as it has been recently. Then what? More gimmicks? More ostrich races? More mass weddings? LOL! Where will its fans be then? A little loyalty can go a long way. It’s like the Braves have surrendered Virginia to the Nationals and Orioles! I used to catch a few games in Baltimore every now and then but it was only to see the great Cal Ripken play and never a team thing. Yes it is what it is! But let’s call it for what it is . . . simply another instance where MLB puts making more money ahead of fan consideration.

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
3:35 pm

Who are the players that the Braves offered raises?

reckingball

February 8th, 2012
3:39 pm

Do you mean they offered a raise, instead of going to arbitration?

MikeY

February 8th, 2012
4:19 pm

ecp, there is not a minor league team in Wimington at this time. There is a summer college wooden bat team.

Boo got shot

February 8th, 2012
4:48 pm

Take the AAAA team with you. C’mon August, get here already.

Farnsworthy

February 8th, 2012
5:16 pm

J.S.: When you move it to Wilmington, will you please move Wren there too? Make him the Wilmington ticket salesman.

Jason Heyward

February 8th, 2012
5:20 pm

Note to Chipper: When holding the bat, is it the right hand over the left hand or the other way?

BravesFanSince80's

February 8th, 2012
10:31 pm

Reckingball, seriously? they avoided arbitration with every eligible player this offseason and simply paid them a decent raise. with the exception of O’flaherty, who deserved this? I love Martin Prado, but he hit .260 last year and got hurt and missed significant time once again! If I had been Frank Wren, I’d have said something like, “Martin, we gotta see a solid year, injury free before we talk raises.” Did he do anything of the sort? No…

Hrbek cheated

February 8th, 2012
10:32 pm

My son and I drive from Athens to Rome to watch a game or two every year. Outside of having the worst ‘National Anthem’ singers in the universe, it’s a much greater experience than Turner (too expensive) or Gwinnett (too bland). Over the years, we’ve watched Heyward, Freeman, pretty much all of the young big leaguers when they were teenagers or very early twenty somethings. Great ball at great prices.

reckingball

February 9th, 2012
1:48 am

BFS80’s……..And if Prado doesn’t go for what you suggested, you let him walk?

Tmar3809

February 9th, 2012
7:33 am

Mandalay is a POS organization. They bought the Shreveport Captains several years ago with the sole intention of moving an extremely successful AA team to their new facilities in Plano, Tx. They did away with military and senior discount tix ( in a city with a huge USAF base and many AF &. GM retirees in their loyal fan base). Changed the unis from classic pinstripes to something akin to clown colors and changed the name of the team to the “Swampdraogons(?) . Beforehalf the season had passed attendance decreased to nothing and then they announced the move, due to “poor fan support”. Funnyhow the facility they moved to was brand new and owned by them. Beware who you fall into bed with Braves. Your fans will bethe ones to suffer. (BTW — we now have a TX league indepent and things are again right in the baseball world)

BravesFanSince80's

February 9th, 2012
8:11 am

reckingball I think I already made that pretty clear. an organization that wants to win a WS can’t be giving out raises for mediocrity. I wouldn’t have been that scared that he’d walk if Wren’s story about the trade market for he and JJ is believable…

reckingball

February 9th, 2012
8:41 am

BFS80s………I don’t think that you would last very long as a MLB GM.

Vincent Harris

February 9th, 2012
11:16 am

The Braves are not coming to Wilmington. You can take that to the bank. The city will not be able to get agreement to build a stadium in the time required to do so. I live here in Wilmington and the only thing people agree on here is that it is humid in the Summer. Too many retirees to agree on extra taxation. Too much power struggle to get cooperation between county and city to do anything major league. Ever watch the movie moneyball? This is just a ploy to get Lynchburg to negotiate ownership and invest in new digs.

BravesFanSince80's

February 9th, 2012
1:49 pm

I take it by that previous statement that o you feel you could do better? by that I’m to assume you think giving raises to already-overpaid, underachieving players makes good sense? ok, good luck with that. Wren’s a terrible GM, period. This team will benefit mightily from the last sight of him walking out the door when Liberty finally sends him packing…

reckingball

February 10th, 2012
1:18 pm

Yes to the 1st question. Assume whatever you want to assume, in regard the 2nd question.

BravesFanSince80's

February 11th, 2012
8:20 am

reckingball, I have a pretty good notion that if you were a GM of an MLB club, your effect on said club would be akin to the nickname by which you are known on here, put that in your smug little pipe and smoke it. there are other people aside from your “know-it-all” self who ALSO know baseball, douche bag…

reckingball

February 11th, 2012
8:59 am

haha. That was a very juvenile response(what with all of the name calling and such).
I did not claim to know everything, if fact I don’t know a lot.
If you were GM, and you did not want to offer Martin and JJ an elevation in salary, and you did not want to go to arbitration, then what would you be doing? Would that be non-tendering them a contract?
Now as for Bourne, explain to me, how you would get out of arbitration with him, being as you still have him under contract for 1 more year? Would you trade him?
Also, injuries are part of the game, players get hurt, how do you hold that against them?

BravesFanSince80's

February 11th, 2012
11:16 am

I’m done with you, you can’t have an adult conversation with someone you disagree with without being condescending. My assessment was spot-on…

reckingball

February 11th, 2012
7:33 pm

I asked you some honest questions concerning how you would do, what you porposed to do, regarding avoiding arbitration with 3 players, if you were the GM.
If you are unable to answer those questions, I don’t see how that means that I am being condescending, but whatever, it doesn’t matter.
Yes, let us no longer communicate.
One last thing, don’t forget to tuck your tail between your legs, as you slink away, with your head hung low(haha, sorry, I just couldn’t resist that last dig).
OUT.

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