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nolie
January 24th, 2012
5:16 pm
and you didn’t share with the rest of us, your friends, Lou
Jbailz
January 24th, 2012
5:17 pm
Murph – Looking at your top 5 TV shows it would appear you have a child about the same age as my 3 year old. We watch plenty of My Little Pony, Kung Fu Panda and of course Dora the Explorer. Thank the heavens above for the invention of a DVR where I can get my fix of Sons of Anarchy, Southland and all the other shows that push the envelope a little on primetime TV.
Lew
January 24th, 2012
5:20 pm
nolie – The Grinch came and stayed with my son and me in Orlando and we went to Spring Training together a couple of years. FlBravesgirl came over (she was still living over on the west coast south of Tampa) and she came bearing baked goods. Good stuff.
She brought me cheesevcake because it tends to not raise blood sugar because it’s mostly fat and protein. It won’t make you thin, but it won’t put you in a diabetic coma, either.
nolie
January 24th, 2012
5:21 pm
those ain’t his kid’s faves, they are Murph’s.
nolie
January 24th, 2012
5:23 pm
yeah I use cheesecake as a treat fairly regularly for just that reason. red velvet cake on the other hand…..
Venice Jim
January 24th, 2012
5:23 pm
Freddie Freeman’s path to the All-Star Game has cleared a bit over the past months…
nolie
January 24th, 2012
5:24 pm
The youngest one likes Damages and Revenge…..
Lew
January 24th, 2012
5:24 pm
nolie – Fudge works about the same – if you’re a chocoholic, it won’t raise blood sugar like a browniw will.
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
5:27 pm
Lew – fudge is cooked sucre NO ???
nolie
January 24th, 2012
5:30 pm
fudge does not work for me, it raises mine pretty high
old man
January 24th, 2012
5:30 pm
The NL East is going to be wild. We could win the dang thing. Or come in 4th.
What if there are 4 teams within 5 games of each other in September?
Lew
January 24th, 2012
5:31 pm
Dogs – Sugar really doesn’t raise your blood sugar like refined carbs do – white bread, white potatoes, white pasta – carbs with no fiber – are what jacks blood sugar to the max.
Besides, even with sugar you can mitigate it by eating a low glycemic food with it – like peanuts. A Snickers bar will raise it a bit, but the peanuts even it out so your blood sugar doesn’t spike.
It’s all a game and a balancing act.
Lew
January 24th, 2012
5:33 pm
nolie – Well, one size really doesn’t always fit all. Got to play around and see what works for you.
Mobile Bay Bear
January 24th, 2012
5:37 pm
So the lesson learned is, if you disagree with somebody, sign on with a few different names to solidify your case so you can berate somebody. Who knew you could use multiple personality disorder to your advantage, DAP, Bat, BravesFanInBC.
What’s wrong with Ron Roberts pointing out the obvious and saying the ballpark’s too damn big? They figured it out on the south side of Chicago, didn’t they? I’d bet they’d love to lop off about 10 thousand seats from Coors Field, too.
Shoot, that looks like the trend, everywhere. Miami’s building a smaller park and their about the same size media market as Atlanta. DC dwarfs Atlanta and their ballpark’s about ten grand smaller (per wikipedia). Houston, too.
I get what he’s saying. Happens to us at the gas pump all the time; supply goes down, demand remains the same, price goes up. The Braves don’t have to raise prices, but there IS something to be said for portraying a “happening” atmosphere on the flat screen and making me wanna go to it.
Bottom line is, Atlanta’s not a 3-4 million fans-per-season market. Not where that park is, and not while Atlanta’s not an urban oasis. It’s still a suburban city (more interstate mileage per capita, right?) and the team’s fan-base stretches all across the south. Sellout a 40,000 seat stadium on a Saturday and gosh, my family of five will have to ask about the next day, won’t we? Or Friday.
Anybody buying tickets to those top 10 rows in the upper deck will dell ya, they’d rather be in another seats at another game than have to sit and duck the plans taking off from Hartsfield-Jackson. I think it’s a valid thought.
Let the character assassinations commence, I suppose.
David O'Brien
January 24th, 2012
5:39 pm
Fols, I would’ve paid to see the look Chipper gave you when you yelled that. That’s funny.
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
5:40 pm
Good, I love some SNICKERS bars, might have a few later…
cabravesfan
January 24th, 2012
5:43 pm
Wait…DAP and Bat are the same person?
Murph
January 24th, 2012
5:47 pm
those ain’t his kid’s faves, they are Murph’s.
I can only rate shows I see, so… yeah, that’s my list.
I will be watching America’s Got Talent when that comes on. Howard Stern is the new judge… gonna be great!
Lew
January 24th, 2012
5:51 pm
The thing about the stadium and it’s size is that it was actually originally built and used for the Olympics – where they needed bigger.
Yeah, it IS a bit big by todays’ standards, but making it smaller at this stage of the game really isn’t going to affect attendance.
nolie
January 24th, 2012
5:58 pm
Mobile Bay Bear, none of those folks are the same, they have been here for years. you and Ron on the other hand have not(and your language is so similar too
), and Ron usually shows up and does exactly what you are accusing established veterans of doing. Ludicrous post.
as to his point, what the hell difference does it make that it’s big, it’s already there and they aren’t gonna build a new one.
IF they were gonna build a new one then smaller would likely be a good idea, but they aren’t so making such a big deal over an unrealistic situation is assinine
Murph
January 24th, 2012
5:59 pm
They should make the stadium shorter, yet wider. That should appeal to the badonkadonk-loving Atlanta fanbase.
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
6:01 pm
Atlanta actually has an advantage over a 2ndary team in a major city like the mutts cause they control the urban areas in and around GA, NC, SC etc. By rote, the Braves (after TBS, Mr Turner et al) should have a stronger local following than the mutts, Nats, ChiSox etc
nolie
January 24th, 2012
6:02 pm
wider would be good for BMac……….
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
6:04 pm
So the lesson learned is, if you disagree with somebody, sign on with a few different names to solidify your case so you can berate somebody. Who knew you could use multiple personality disorder to your advantage, _ MBB
Well you knew you could try to, hell you do it all the time, though not very effectively, I’m sad to say.
nolie
January 24th, 2012
6:07 pm
McF must not be around, I’m still living…
Murph
January 24th, 2012
6:08 pm
Does what happened on here today even qualify as a “berating”???
This is what’s wrong with the “everyone’s a winner” movement in today’s society. When the politicians took away dodgeball they created generations of whiners, pouters, crybabies, etc.
Or, as Ken Caminiti would say, “p*ssies”.
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
6:08 pm
I get what he’s saying. Happens to us at the gas pump all the time; supply goes down, demand remains the same, price goes up. _ MBB
And sometimes supply goes up, demand stays constant and the price goes up anyway, like now. Because of fear.
I don’t think the Iranians are going to threaten to close I-75 anytime soon.
VaBravesFan
January 24th, 2012
6:09 pm
I gotta a old friend I caught up with recently. He is a O’s fan and said he was hoping they would trade Adam Jones for Delgado and a couple lower prospects. Realistic fan. He wishes his team would gut any valuable assets from prospects and salary relief.
VaBravesFan
January 24th, 2012
6:11 pm
for*
Lew
January 24th, 2012
6:12 pm
nolie – Actually, I believe that Rob Roberts was here some years back – back in the days of JJS and Journalist Bob.
Mobile Bay Bear
January 24th, 2012
6:13 pm
nolie, if using proper grammer and paragraph breaks makes our language so similar, that’s a badge I’ll wear with pride. I don’t think I’ve read anybody posting here who said anything about a new, smaller stadium, either. That would be ludicrous. What I gathered is that he thinks the stadium they’re in now is just too big, and I don’t disagree with that. Nor do the numbers. They gave up rows and rows of upper deck seating for the Sox in Chicago in 2005, and have been over 2 million fans ever since.
Lew
January 24th, 2012
6:13 pm
Excuse me Ron, not Rob.
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
6:13 pm
Murph – actually “Ken Caminiti” is plucking up daisies in heaven so he wouldn’t say too much… nowadays
Mobile Bay Bear
January 24th, 2012
6:13 pm
(( grammar )) Oops!
Lew
January 24th, 2012
6:14 pm
Mobile Bay – BNut we have not fallen below 2.3 million in twenty years. Taking out the upper deck is not going to boost our attendance.
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
6:15 pm
Grammar – grammer – wtf – it’s all the same
I’m an “YOUR AN IDIOT”
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
6:16 pm
Let the character assassinations commence, I suppose. _ MBB
False dilemma……………… your lack of character precludes such.
McFann O O o
January 24th, 2012
6:16 pm
nolie—
But not for long!!…
Murph
January 24th, 2012
6:19 pm
You missed my Ken Caminiti story, Dogs… didn’t miss much, but that’s where my reference came from.
It’s ok, though. I’m not mad about it. I don’t want you to get the impression that I’m berating you because, unlike others on the blog, I try to keep to a strict “no berating” policy.
Except for Shaun. I do enjoy a good Shaun berating.
Mobile Bay Bear
January 24th, 2012
6:21 pm
Lew, who said “take out the upper deck?” That’s crazy! I could see those top nose-bleed rows going away, no problem, though. Put some of those fannies in the outfield bleachers or right field corner. Besides, in 2000, you could say we’d never been below 3 million at Turner. In 2002, you could say we’d never been 2.5 million.
Bat Masterson, you’re rude. Somebody needs a nap or a time out. Goodness.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 24th, 2012
6:22 pm
Wanna Raise Some Hell?
ColoradoBravesFan
January 24th, 2012
6:22 pm
Mobile Bay Bear…
I would bet that the white Sox winning the world Series in 2005 had a much bigger effect/affect on the Sox attendence since then than the removal of rows and rows of seats in their stadium
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
6:24 pm
Murph, you know not to take me seriously, I don’t, gave up taking myself seriously 10 yrs back, had a blast since..
I really liked Kenny C, met him a few times, sad case of a great guy gone down the wrong path
Murph
January 24th, 2012
6:24 pm
I’m going to take an upper decker in Mobile Bay Bear’s house
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 24th, 2012
6:25 pm
I could Care Less Abt The seating capacity at Tooner Field…There is not much they can do abt it now andI actually like It that we have one of the larger capacities…That means more/cheaper tickets for big games…
But I’d Wish that they would tear down the 2nd Level in LF…It takes away from Checking out one of The Most Cosmopolitian Skylines in America…
Murph
January 24th, 2012
6:25 pm
Are you berating me Dogs? Stop berating me if you are. Berating? Not appreciated.
BFChris27
January 24th, 2012
6:25 pm
Justin Ruggiano has been DFA’ed by the Rays. He can play all 3 OF positions, I could see this be the type of guy Wren would look at.
Mobile Bay Bear
January 24th, 2012
6:26 pm
No doubt that helped, Colorado (and we can hope the same here, right?), but if I were wanting to take my family of five to a game, I’d much rather make the four hour haul from where I am knowing I’d be sitting in the bleacher seats or in a lower row of upper deck seats than way up yonder where the clouds come by to check in on the game. See, that, too, might affect ticket sales.
But you’re right; put a winning product on the field and in general, people will come!
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 24th, 2012
6:26 pm
DogsBrekky
“Murph, you know not to take me seriously, I don’t, gave up taking myself seriously 10 yrs back, had a blast since..”
Red Notification—Tomahawkin Likes Your Post (Thumbs Up)
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
6:28 pm
Where do I begin, to tell the story… oh bollocks
Murph
January 24th, 2012
6:28 pm
Ruggiano is a 29 year old career minor leaguer… might be a good pickup if there’s a need for another OF in Gwinnett, but I don’t think he’d have much chance of seeing playing time in ATL.
BravesFanSince80's
January 24th, 2012
6:30 pm
Guys I could be wrong, many of you tell me I am on a regular basis afterall, but I thought the argument Ron was trying to make was attendence vs seating capacity so that we look like we don’t have good attendence by our seating capacity now because of the too big stadium, but if 10,000 or so seats were removed, we’d then look like one of the better attended teams-by seating capacity, that’s what Philly has going for them afterall. That seems like a legit argument to me so long as it didn’t hurt Chipper’s bank account to much to pull it off…
Kat
January 24th, 2012
6:30 pm
Fried bologna sandwich for dinner….an oldie but goodie when having a solo dinner.
Ron Roberts
January 24th, 2012
6:33 pm
I’m with Tomahawkin’ on that! Get rid of that skyline-blocking scoreboard above the bleacher seats. Now we’re talking!
As a side note, I lost my mother to cancer last year, and she was a HUGE braves fan, and her last game there we “witnessed” (cringe) the no-hitter the Rockies tossed on us.
I mention that, only because we sat upper field level and the vantage point was great; but the FIRST game mom ever came with us to see the Braves at Turner Field was upper deck right field, and she was miserable. I was a teenager so I was “treating” the family to a game (Dad “treated” by driving and paying for the gas – haha ), so the tickets were what I could afford.
She didn’t say a word til years later and when the thought came up about getting the whole family together to watch a game she said – “if you can’t get tickets lower than those nose bleeds, don’t bother taking me.”
Sorry; waxing nostalgic. But I thought the story applied, somewhat.
Bay Bear – I used to live in Daphne, across the bay! Nice little park (Henry Aaron Stadium, no less) down there! Appreciate the participation.
Chiming in on this thing today brought back memories (mostly unpleasant). I think I’ve had my fill for awhile. I’ll just go back to scrolling through to look for DOB’s shaded input.
Gary O
January 24th, 2012
6:35 pm
2 years, $40 mil for the Freak in SF. I’m surprised he has continued to take shorter deals.
nolie
January 24th, 2012
6:37 pm
what does it matter what we look like? they are cash strapped, they are not gonn aspend a bunch money to remove seats that actually get used several times a year. talk about an assbackward approach. and to make such a big deal about something that marginal and be so condescending about it is personality problem time.
Murph
January 24th, 2012
6:37 pm
I think I’ve had my fill for awhile. I’ll just go back to scrolling through to look for DOB’s shaded input.
He doesn’t post here much anymore… you’d be better off following him on Twitter.
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
6:37 pm
Bat Masterson, you’re rude. MBB
I know, I feel terrible about it, Ron.
Ron Roberts
January 24th, 2012
6:37 pm
Thanks, BravesFanSince80’s . That is sort of what I was going for, yes; but I do believe, in my heart of hearts, that improving the game day experience brings fans back; and part of that is making the stadium more intimate. It’s a drag going to a game and being one of a handful of people in a section.
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
6:38 pm
nolie et all – we could spend $15k on dynamite and blow the back off that biatch stadium roof and upper seating… problem solved !
nolie
January 24th, 2012
6:39 pm
yeah I kinda remember him from long ago Lew, he was a smug condescending jerk then too IIRC. and when he does show up since then someone always pops up to second his thoughts. and correct grammar has nothing to do with it.
I would consider betting that all three of them who spent so much time here today are the same person
nolie
January 24th, 2012
6:41 pm
simply amazing how out of the blue several posters with the exact same thoughts appear at the same time though none are regulars
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
6:41 pm
Ron – I still wanna know if you are really Ron Burgundy
Murph
January 24th, 2012
6:42 pm
Red leather yellow leather… red leather yellow leather…
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
6:42 pm
we’d then look like one of the better attended teams-by seating capacity, that’s what Philly has going for them afterall. _ BravesFanSince80’s
What Phillie has going for them is people filling the stadium Monday through Thursday.
If you make the stadium in Atlanta smaller, so that fewer people can go on the weekend, do you think they will show up during the week instead?
nolie
January 24th, 2012
6:42 pm
He is Legion
Ron Roberts
January 24th, 2012
6:45 pm
Who’s being condescending? Scroll back and read who gets attitude tossed at whom and how much, nolie.
Bat, I agree with MBB, you’re rude; I’ll go one further, than they did, though; you’re an @ss, dude. Some life ya got, there, trolling an online blog to – wait for it – BERATE – people who’s opinions you don’t agree with.
Are there printouts on your wall or refrigerator of these threats where you highlight your epic “put downs” for all to see?
Geez; disagree; that’s fine. I can live with that. The tone is the key. We all have varying ways and thoughts of improving our beloved team and helping it along. Geez, if this blog populous showed up to a game, there would be nothing but arguing and brawling in the stands. Pathetic.
nolie
January 24th, 2012
6:47 pm
the pot calling the kettle black, after starting it all to boot
I’ve read back, and you sir are practicing projection
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
6:49 pm
Bat, I agree with MBB, you’re rude; _ RR
You agree!……… With Yourself ……… WOW, what a shock, I never saw that coming
BravesFanSince80's
January 24th, 2012
6:52 pm
Bat, when was the last time we had 56,000 people crammed into that stadium? like ten years or something? I remember people pointing out on here right afterwards that we didn’t sell out to full capacity even during that playoff series in 2010, so why do you guys keep acting like it’s seating that’s actually needed? Nolie, I know that you’re one of the long-time members of this little group but could you please take it down a notch, rudeness doesn’t become you. I have no idea who those other folks are I live in NC in the mountains and would be glad to tell you anything about me that you’d care (or not) to know. with all the silly stuff that gets talked about on here to take a decent baseball related topic for discussion and ridicule it like that is the “assinine” thing not bringing it up in the first place, Christallmighty y’all were just talking at length about cheesecake!
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
6:54 pm
Bat, when was the last time we had 56,000 people crammed into that stadium?
Last year, and the year before that, and so on…………………
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
6:54 pm
Sister madly waking up the day, systematically stepping on my head
Mobile Bay Bear
January 24th, 2012
6:55 pm
Lord; y’all need to quit with all this bashing one another. I just thought y’all were going a little overboard with the beatdown and I kinda see what’s being said by RR and BravesFanSince80’s. Good heavens now I’m dragged into it. Ron, it IS a nice little stadium! Being named after a legend and great guy like Hank Aaron doesn’t hurt it, for sure!
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
6:58 pm
The highest recorded attendance for a Braves regular season game in Atlanta is 54,296 and was set at Turner Field on October 2, 2010, against the Philadelphia Phillies.
Well you can’t really get 56,000 in there
Ron Robertis
January 24th, 2012
6:58 pm
They hit 50,000+ once in 2011. Once. Thirteen times over 40,000 period.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ATL/2011-schedule-scores.shtml
BravesFanSince80's
January 24th, 2012
7:00 pm
Bat, links? actual information other than your rude bs? I have a good friend who grew just outside the metro area and had a good fried who’s dad was a big wig with the Falcons, so they were at tons of Braves games and Falcons games up until a few years ago. He has probably actually been to more games than any of you guys and he has complained for years that the stadium is too big or something needs to be done to draw better crowds on a regular basis, I think the argument has merit whether some of you think so or not…
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
7:01 pm
Ron Robertis
Whoops………… Don’t rush the name changes there, Bear
brian
January 24th, 2012
7:02 pm
if the Braves really need a Seth Smith type OF bat to share time with Prado and fill in while he is at 3B, what about Mike Carp in Seattle? He would be better than Hinske in LF and another solid pinch hitter if needed. Depending on whether their prized new acquisition plays – C, 1B, DH, LF – they may have a surplus
nolie
January 24th, 2012
7:03 pm
Ron Robertis
Whoops………… Don’t rush the name changes there, Bear
New Mexico Lee
January 24th, 2012
7:03 pm
Bat, I was thinking the same thing. co-sign.
Ron Roberts
January 24th, 2012
7:04 pm
Yeah, I forgot to remove the “i” when switching between BravesFanSince80’s and Mobile Bay Bear. Right. Got it.
nolie
January 24th, 2012
7:04 pm
if they are gonna pick up an OFer (which I think is extremely unlikely) he needs to be able to fill in at CF IMO
brian
January 24th, 2012
7:05 pm
the best way to increase attendence is to get some exciting play by the Braves. If Heyward returns to form and the young pitching comes through the Braves could be exciting to watch.
A healthy Hanson, Hudson, Jurrjens, Minor, Beachy with our bullpen will by dynamic. A Heyward rebound will be huge
Disgusted
January 24th, 2012
7:05 pm
Cody Ross just might hit 20 HRS and drive in 80-90 runs again going into Fenway.
A good baseball move for him, one yr deal and he is not old. If he can get back to his 08 and 09 production he can be more sought after the next post season, depending on how many of the projected free agent OF’s go out and choose to test free agency. There are some big names out there but how many of them might re-sign with their current teams.
Maybe he can get a 2 or three yr deal with a good season.
2012 will be an intereesting yr for Braves attendance this yr.
I will venture to say that we might even be rid of Liberty at some point before the turn of the next decade. Maybe they are around three, five, even eight more yrs, hey, that time will pass for good or bad. In the meantime people, just go to some games even if you can only afford a few.
Do not boycott the team.
brian
January 24th, 2012
7:06 pm
if the BRaves pitching gets hot and especially if someone like Teheran or Delgado gets a chance and shines, people will come to watch them.
nolie
January 24th, 2012
7:06 pm
no, you either typoed an i while retyping Ron Roberts.
OR your computer just threw it in there as a cosmic joke
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
7:06 pm
Yes, the stadium should be called Henry Aaron Arena or Bobby Cox Coliseum or Cox-Aaron Arena..
or Maddog Glav Scratch Handicap Smoltz filthy splitter stadium
BravesFanSince80's
January 24th, 2012
7:06 pm
Ron Roberts and MBB may be the same guy, but I am most certainly my own person. I’ve never set foot in Mississippi in my life. My wife graduated from Arkansas State in Dec and we went to the graduation and that’s the closest I’ve ever been to that part of the US…
Disgusted
January 24th, 2012
7:07 pm
I am glad the birdie on Tommy Hanson is that his shoulder is good and on the right track.
We shall see in April. We need him.
Ron Roberts
January 24th, 2012
7:07 pm
OR…. I’m on my new iPhone and adjusting to the touchscreen. But sure, nolie. Whatever feeds your conspiracy.
Mobile Bay Bear
January 24th, 2012
7:09 pm
BravesFanSince80’s – Mobile isn’t in Mississippi!! Heck no. The trees lean that direction because Mississippi sucks, but that’s as close as I am to that wretched state!
nolie
January 24th, 2012
7:09 pm
no matter where you are why would you have to retype the name unless you had previously changed it?
Bat Masterson
January 24th, 2012
7:10 pm
Bat, links? actual information other than your rude bs? I have a good friend who grew just outside the metro area
Pointing out you are wrong is not being rude.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 24th, 2012
7:11 pm
DogsBrekky
“Yes, the stadium should be called Henry Aaron Arena or Bobby Cox Coliseum or Cox-Aaron Arena..”
The Day is Coming That Turner Field Gets A “Corporate Name” on it, Watch, And Bank On It!
I say this because I never thought that both the Astrodome and the Superdome would get Billed Corporate names….
BravesFanSince80's
January 24th, 2012
7:11 pm
are you getting off on this Nolie? that’s sad man…
Ron Roberts
January 24th, 2012
7:12 pm
…because I have this phone set up not to store cookies on Safari, maybe? Wow. Audacity. Seriously, believe what you wish! LOL
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 24th, 2012
7:13 pm
BravesFanSince80’s
Arkansas St???
Cheesewhiz..My Parents Live in that Town, And I’m a Frequent patron of Both The Brickhouse Bar, The and The 501
Hell I Miss The Boom Boom Room They Had up there…
BravesFanSince80's
January 24th, 2012
7:14 pm
ok Bat I was wrong, the Ted has managed to get filled a few times over the past decade, what an accomplishment…
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 24th, 2012
7:14 pm
Wow, There are Too Many “Ouch!’s”to throw around on here…We Got a Battle Royal on here
DogsBrekky
January 24th, 2012
7:15 pm
brian – I agree, I would go mega-young.. trade the old salaries except for Fuggly and play Delgado, Teheran, Pastor, the Simmeltons (spelling) kid etc……yep I would put a bullet in Chipper’s old mug (he would look good in pinstripes)
go
Bourn (keep him)
Prado
JHey
Fatty Mackers
Fuggly
Fab 5
The Pastor
Georgie
SP