10:55 pm January 23, 2012, by David O'Brien
January 24th, 20122:56 pm
Nationals are now officially better than the Braves with the Fielder.
Good thing he won’t be with the Nats, which still puts them in 3rd or 4th place.
January 24th, 20122:58 pm
Holy hell is right…GO TIGERS!
Would they consider moving Cabrera to third base in 2013? Yikes, that’d be some infield defense. Probably just means they will shop the remaining two years of V-Mart next winter. Surprised Prince is okay DH’ing exclusively.
January 24th, 20122:59 pm
reckingball how ’bout taking the extra space and building more rehab facilities so maybe we could get hurt players back out on the field sooner? ok guys, not finding a good picture, but look up the Murph’s 1984 Topps card, it has the uni I’m talking about on it. The color combination is what I’m mainly taking about, not crazy about the pants or the pullover shirt so much…
January 24th, 20123:00 pm
Just another reminder that we should never, ever underestimate Boras — or declare prematurely that he’s having a bad offseason.
January 24th, 20123:02 pm
Larry Wayne again the number 3 hitter. Man, I respect the heck out of the guy, but this organization isn’t a Yankees type where they can hang on to a guy like Jeter and still have plenty of payroll. We just cannot. CJ is always one sprint to first base from ending his season, or at the very least, being out for three to four months. It puts a strain on the team and fans.
DOB, thats 100% accurate. Thats why he’s the best in the business. Its unreal that he can leverage teams against each other and get 8/9 yr deals. Fielder wont be one to age well, IMO, and its ridiculous that a team would offer 9 years. Best of luck to them.
Nine years, $214M for Fielder with Tigers, Heyman tweets.
January 24th, 20123:04 pm
LF Young, CF Jackson, RF Boesch
3B Inge/Rayburn, SS Peralta, 2B Santiago, 1B Cabrera, C Avila, DH Fielder
I guess without V-Mart, that lineup was looking thin. Still, that is the best 3/4 in all of baseball now.
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
price deal is $214M, 9 yrs. #tigers
NINE years and a cool 214 million.
Must be some good vegetarian restaurants in Detroit.
The Tigers have agreed to sign Prince Fielder, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets.
braves dodged a bullet. i was afraid the nats would get him.
how stacked are the tigers, by the way?
January 24th, 20123:05 pm
what do you suggest the team does with Chipper?
Luke, never underestimate the power of the Dark Side.
sjh, he’s still the best hitter on the team. BMAC was the only player with a higher OPS than Chipper last year. Maybe its time for the guys around him to step up.
Braves’ attendance has to have some correlation to the stadium’s location and the city’s disinterest in making it easier to get there via Marta. $20 – $30 parking, not to mention the spectre of having to drive 20 or so miles with a few beers in you makes it easier to catch the game at home for lots of folks.
Being 700 miles aways limits me to only two games a year.
More AAV than Teixiera. Under Howard and Pujols, but the total contract blows Howard’s commitment away. Of course, he’s a better hitter than Ryan Howard.
January 24th, 20123:06 pm
Big time. Every Braves fan should be very happy with this.
raleighbravefan, those are the same ol’ tired and dog-eared defenses everybody who is pro-Wren always trot out any time he gets criticized for those moves. I can now say the same for you, all you can bring out in defense of your position is dictated rhetoric, no original thought…
A quote from Dave Dombrowski on Prince just 5 days ago: “He doesn’t fit for us. He’s looking for a long-term deal & that just doesn’t fit.”
You know, round peg, square hole. Cept’ the round peg is gonna fit when there is 214 million bags of gold sitting on top cramming it in …
January 24th, 20123:07 pm
Fielder wouldn’t have put the Nats over the Braves, I don’t think.
TBrownYahoo Tim Brown
Prince deal will wait on a physical, of course.
With or without ketchup?
January 24th, 20123:08 pm
Pujols and Fielder to the American League…Priceless.
Fielder doesn’t have to run at the combine does he?
Well good for the tigers. I always liked Leyland and Fielder will help his team.
January 24th, 20123:09 pm
If that is the case, I would love to know your definition of expensive then…
Did somebody say something to me at 3:06…No, I guess not. Never mind.
January 24th, 20123:10 pm
Nats just went from Prince Fielder to Adam Laroche – who is coming back from major shoulder surgery.
Now I guess Morse will move to 1st base next year, Harper slides in at RF, Werth moves to LF and they sign either Michael Bourn or B.J. Upton to play CF.
A lot of things changed for Detroit when Martinez went down, probably good for Braves that Nats didn’t get him.
jeffery d Fielder wouldn’t have put the Nats over the Braves, I don’t think.
it wouldnt have been JUST because of fielder, but had the nats signed him, i could see them being in a dogfight with the braves in the division. they have pretty good pitching and a good offense as it is. adding fielder…division changer.
January 24th, 20123:11 pm
as it is, tigers seem like a sure thing for that division. with that pitching, and those mashers in the lineup…wow.
More AAV than Teixiera. Under Howard and Pujols, but the total contract blows Howard’s commitment away. Of course, he’s a better hitter than Ryan Howard. — Efrim
Far better, IMO. Fielder has a .390 career OBP (Howard .368) and Howard is just a .231 career hitter w/ .311 OBP vs. lefties.
DIDNT HIS DAD PLAY FOR THEM AND HIT ONE OF THE LONGEST BALLS OUT OF THE OLD STADIUM BACK IN THE 80′S??
January 24th, 20123:13 pm
Jeffrey yes he would’ve. Fielder is a very good hitter and put him with a healthy Zimmerman and Werth which more than likely has a better year and that would be dangerous. Morse is not bad either. Plus their pitching will be stronger to go with a good pen.
“He doesn’t fit for us. He’s looking for a long-term deal & that just doesn’t fit.”
GM’s lie. It’s surprising so many invest in what they say as 100% truth. Not saying you did, but Frank Wren is no different. General Manager’s aren’t going to disclose their internal conversations or motives and plans to the media all of the time. Smoke screen stuff most always.
Good for the Tigers. Maybe now, along with the rise of the Rangers, and the moves made by the Angels, we won’t have to listen to the continuous drumbeat surrounding the Yanks and the Sox…Of course, I don’t expect much change from ESPN or Fox Sports.
fielder to the Tigers??? wow! good PR for Detroit no doubt, wonder if this will help repair the father son rift between Prince and Cecil.
January 24th, 20123:14 pm
The NL is going to get creamed in the HR derby this year.
January 24th, 20123:16 pm
Efrim, Nats have already said they planned to move Morse back to LF to start the season, regardless of whether they got Fielder.
Remember how bad the Braves’ offense looked last season? They still outscored the Nats.
Heck the NL is gonna get beat down in the WS!
January 24th, 20123:17 pm
No matter which of those AL teams they play!
Fielder is a very good hitter and put him with a healthy Zimmerman and Werth which more than likely has a better year and that would be dangerous
Okay, and we can say the same about a healthy Prado, and Uggla who more than likely has a better year
Agreed. Actually I was going to say they aren’t on the same planet in terms of 1st baseman, but decided against it just in case someone put his RBI #’s up against Fielder’s…..and I didn’t want my brain to ooze out of my ear after reading that sort of a comment.
January 24th, 20123:19 pm
Nats have already said they planned to move Morse back to LF to start the season, regardless of whether they got Fielder.
Oh, I know that. But for 2013, they can move Morse to 1B, Harper in RF, Werth in LF and go get that CF that they covet – perhaps Michael Bourn.
Gio Gonzalez and a healthy Strasburg could though. They should sign Oswalt to a one year deal and that staff would be impressive.
January 24th, 20123:20 pm
Nationals went from maybe being a legit NL contender in 2012 to, well, being a 4th place team in their own division.
January 24th, 20123:21 pm
Would of been way too close for comfort.
January 24th, 20123:24 pm
BravesFanSince80’s … don’t waste your time debating with the DAP/Bat Mastersons (are they the same, I wonder?) on this blog;
…remember some knuckle-draggers think “bigger is better,” and will go out and buy the largest, loudest pickup truck to prove it, when they’ve got nothing to haul.
Attendance has steadily gone down DESPITE the playoff run (so it’s not the product on the field).
Murph, the supply/demand part you left out was supply decreases, demand stays same or increases.
DAP, Bat, your responses prove all I needed them to.
Oh, I’m going back to my job now, by the way. Enjoy whatever they show instead of ‘Oprah’ on TV weekday afternoons.
I was already including Gonzalez in my assertion as they were already Nats. I know on here we talk like the Braves are the worst team in the history of organized sports, but we’ve really got a young, talented team.
But as Efrim said, yes, the Nats + Fielder would’ve been too close for comfort.
January 24th, 20123:25 pm
Morse is not bad either – sjh
Not bad? He’s a really good hitter. .303/.360/.550 31HR 95RBI’s.
January 24th, 20123:26 pm
Nats are better than what people give them credit for right now. They could grab a wild card spot this season.
Such happy people on the blog this afternoon.
There he is
Cecil didn’t know his son signed with Detroit. Too bad on their bad relationship. Still cool that he is becoming a Tiger.
January 24th, 20123:27 pm
Nine years……………… Through the age of 37…………… How much will he weigh at that age 400lbs, or maybe he has Lap-Band surgery and weighs 180.
too bad Freddy can’t translate that glove over to 3rd, it would have been nice to lock up a 1b bopper for a while with Freddy succeeding Chipper. Maybe we’ll have to look at that one day when BMac needs to move to 1b anyway.
Okay, let the “that’s crazy talk’ replies begin.
January 24th, 20123:29 pm
They could grab a wild card spot this season.
Not anymore, imo. They have serious holes in CF, SS, and Laroche coming back from major shoulder surgery at 1B. Strasburg limited to 160 innings and the back end of their rotation is John Lannan and Chien Meng Wang. It’s an okay team, but certainly not as talented as Atlanta. Fielder would of made a world of difference for them. 5 more wins, perhaps.
January 24th, 20123:31 pm
And I always look at teams that are “in range” of 90 wins(like 83-85 projected) as having a chance for the Wild Card. Mid-season trades to add will boost that number and luck comes into play too.
January 24th, 20123:32 pm
But the Nats are a 78-80 win team, imo. Their offense will be better, but I’m not so sure on their starting pitching as a unit based on innings limits for Stras.
January 24th, 20123:37 pm
So Prince is in the AL with the Tigers. Did anyone see that coming?!
January 24th, 20123:38 pm
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
I would think the Tigers will move Miguel Cabrera back to 3B with Prince Fielder at 1B but we’ll wait for the official word from Leyland
Stay away from Rick Porcello in fantasy leagues. Miguel Cabrera at 3B, Johnny Peralta at SS, and Prince Fielder at 1B. Just awful infield defense.
Efrim,don’t agree on Nats. Should be an 85 win team this year.
January 24th, 20123:40 pm
ron roberts …remember some knuckle-draggers think “bigger is better,” and will go out and buy the largest, loudest pickup truck to prove it, when they’ve got nothing to haul.
i drive an accord coupe.
your and idiot.
January 24th, 20123:41 pm
Wow..some crabbie people on here this afternoon.
Glad to see Fielder go to the Tigers. They should be favs for the Central.
And Ron figured it out. DAP and Bat are the same person.
But I could care less. He has grit.
New Mexico Lee
January 24th, 20123:42 pm
January 24th, 20123:43 pm
Efrim, I disagree. They finished 80-81 last season and they only got 5 starts from Strasburg and only 100 games from Zimmerman at 3rd. They added add Gio Gonzalez to the rotation. They are clearly better than last year. I wouldnt say they are better than the Braves at this point, but they should be solid.
January 24th, 20123:44 pm
January 24th, 20123:46 pm
Guess I haven’t heard that one.
New Mexico – You’re new around here, aren’t you? “your and idiot” is a longtime blog favorite, made famous years ago, by someone who didn’t know any better.
DAP, Bat, your responses prove all I needed them to.
Oh, I’m going back to my job now, by the way. Enjoy whatever they show instead of ‘Oprah’ on TV weekday afternoons. _ Ron Roberts
Don’t forget the Armor All
January 24th, 20123:47 pm
CB, that’s okay. It’s not a huge difference. I have less confidence in them than I do the Marlins. I think the Marlins are better and more of an 85 win team. I just dislike the Nats back of the rotation 3/8ths of their starting lineup. Just not a fan of Roger Bernadina, Ian Desmond and Adam Laroche returning from serious shoulder surgery. Zimmerman, Morse, Werth, Espinoa and Ramos are very good. Like all of them. Stras/Gio/Jordan Zimmermann is a very strong 1-2-3. And their back end of their bullpen is also very good. I just feel like they are missing a few pieces and if Harper does play this year, I think that’s rushing him and the results won’t be that great.
January 24th, 20123:48 pm
DOB is correct, it seems every year we all start to doubt Boras and EVERY year he pulls a big fat contract out for his star client. You would think we all would learn by now. The comment about this possibly mending the fence between Prince and his dad. Don’t count on it. By the way his dad lives here in Atlanta for those that did not know.
Sheeeeeesh. Boras just pulled that out of left field. He must have a good time reading all the rumors while this is going on.
Wonder when the opt-out clause comes into play. There’s gotta be one in there, right? It’s a Boras classic.
January 24th, 20123:49 pm
Where in NM are you from, Lee?
Well, currently I am watching an old episode of Murder She Wrote with my feet propped up on a bin of drawers and still wearing in pajamas. But I am also getting paid to do it, so I am not complaining. Have fun sitting in your cubicle for the next few hours and than driving home at rush hour.
I believe Braves, Nats, and Marlins are all improved. Not so much with the Phillies. I believe the Braves are still better than the Nats and Marlins, and I’m not conceeding to the Phillies. As usual, a lot could come down to who stays healthy.
Would they consider moving Cabrera to third base in 2013? Yikes, that’d be some infield defense.
True, but with those two mashing, it should still result in a net positive for the Tigers.
January 24th, 20123:51 pm
They are clearly better than last year.
Players do regress. I think it’s possible that they just end up matching their 2011 total. I like Gio Gonzalez, but I do not believe he is as good as some are making out given his high walk rates and enormous home park that he pitched in the last two years. And you’re only getting around 25 starts for Strasburg. John Lannan has to wake up at some point and Chen Meng Wang is a reach as your #4 starter.
Raton, Northeast corner on the Colorado line.
Bay Area Steve
That Boras/credit card joke was bad. I mean, you should delete that thing. Blame Carroll, at minimum.
And, bigger idiots: here or Twitter? I know we’re bad, but that “@ajcbraves was AT THE GAMES! And he thinks Uggla was AWESUM on D!” would make me homicidal…
New Mexico – No need to be sorry. No one is criticizing…just bringing you up to speed. There’s a lot of inside jokes amoung the regulars here.
January 24th, 20123:52 pm
Have fun sitting in your cubicle for the next few hours and than driving home at rush hour.
Thanks for the sympathy.
January 24th, 20123:53 pm
January 24th, 20123:54 pm
CB, if you think the Nats are currently an 85 win team, what do you think they would of been with Fielder?!? And the difference in Fielder and Laroche is pretty significant, imo.
We should have included an all of you can eat McCann’s burgers on Fielders bidding instead of reducing 33% off the concession stand prices for season tickets holders.
January 24th, 20123:56 pm
NM Lee – Welcome and hang around. You’ll learn the old blog jokes as time goes by. They even have a name for them, but I don’t remember it now.
My 4:41 included two of them: “But I could care less. He has grit.”
I lived in Alamogordo for three years. Alot different than your area of NM though.
January 24th, 20123:58 pm
Bloggisms at their finest.
January 24th, 20123:59 pm
I’m glad that Prince went to Detroit but the real victory for the Braves is Livan Hernandez is not longer pitching for the Nats.
January 24th, 20124:00 pm
I go to 20 – 30 Braves games a year. Turner Field is a really good park … a great park if you compare it to Atlanta Fulton County. There is ample parking. Inexpensive tickets are available and the Braves have been mostly competitive the last 20 years. There is nothing like being at the ballpark for a game but a nice alternative and some real competition to live baseball (that may be eroding attendance) is watching the game at home on my 50″ HDTV – great picture, replays … cheap cold beer and eats steps away, no lines for the bathroom, no worrying if someone is breaking into my car while I watching the game.
I would think the Tigers will move Miguel Cabrera back to 3B with Prince Fielder at 1B
Bowden is obviously determined to never again be considered for a GM job.
kwajbraves – I think Prince is a veggie kind of guy. Hard to believe, I know, but that’s what’s been said.
But whales eat plankton…right?
January 24th, 20124:03 pm
I guess Ron Roberts is heading out to Calabash Seafood for a well earned Shrimp samich!!
Yeah that’s it Sopheee. Bloggisms.
January 24th, 20124:04 pm
Efrim,88 wins and competing with Braves.
Well, if you’re from Raton, you get a pass.
Get it? Raton? Pass? Raton Pass? Hahaha! Hehehe. Hmmmm… yeah, nevermind.
It’s an inside NM joke.
think Prince is a veggie kind of guy. Hard to believe, I know, but that’s what’s been said.
Prince must the largest vegetarian roaming the planet since Manny the Mammoth on Ice Age.
January 24th, 20124:05 pm
Two “m”s in “sammich”, flange. Wouldn’t want The Ghost of Journalist Jimmy floating around your house.
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