Braves avoid arbitration with the “O” in bullpen trio

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Bat Masterson

January 17th, 2012
7:18 pm

Nobody noted my post a couple of days ago–but _ old man

I saw that, old man, and I agree, the offense will most likely be much better.

Ray

January 17th, 2012
7:25 pm

I am predicting that the kid will win the admiration of most fans with his hard nose hustle, attitude, and speed. It will also help when the kid shows that he can handle SS. How many of the doubters will jump all over him when some time in mid May he has a bad game with a couple of errors.

Patio Daddio

January 17th, 2012
7:31 pm

The Rangers were real idiots to call up this SS after he made 32, 31, and 32 errors in the minors he says sarcastically. Got to admit he had only 25 errors last year and 22 his first season. Offensively he and Pastor are the same player Elvis has a better arm

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=andrus001elv

Ray

January 17th, 2012
7:35 pm

PD, don’t you know its easier to say the kid is going to be a bust instead of giving him a chance. The good news is our opinions don’t really matter. How many on here truly ripped FF and said he would not hit, and he would not do this or that. But of course none of them will say they were wrong on that.

Bat Masterson

January 17th, 2012
7:36 pm

I can’t believe Shaun spent all day deriding Babe Ruth’s character. One of these days I’m gonna run into Shaun somewhere and when I do ………..BOOM …… I’m gonna punch right in the mouth on The Babe’s behalf

Bat Masterson

January 17th, 2012
7:37 pm

Patio Daddio

January 17th, 2012
7:39 pm

The Rev made 28, 12, and 26 errors in the minors, not quite as impressive as Elvis errors of 32, 31, and 32

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pastor001tyl

VaBravesFan

January 17th, 2012
7:39 pm

Good to hear Moylan is back, still confused tho were loaded with relievers and yet bring in another one. But the bench is very thin and the weakest part of our ballclub.

nolie

January 17th, 2012
7:39 pm

I see the maroons are out drinking the dark kool aid tonight.

Patio Daddio

January 17th, 2012
7:43 pm

Ray Wren was bashed in 209 for announcing Heyward would get a chance in RF

Was bashed in 2010 for announcing Freeman would get a chance at 1B

Is being bashed in 2011 for announcing Pastornicky would get a chance at SS

And will be bashed in 2012 for announcing another player getting a shot at any position

jeffrey doo doo

January 17th, 2012
7:44 pm

I thought the optimists drank the Kool Aid

Efrim

January 17th, 2012
7:47 pm

The Niners run a hybrid 3-4/4-3…their base is a 3-4, but they do switch it up quite often

cab, their base is a 3-4 and they move to nickel package on third downs. Aldon Smith(RDE) and Chris Culliver(nickel CB) come into the game. McDonald and Smith move inside and Ahmad Brooks lines up at LDE. They don’t run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid because they don’t move Bowman or Willis to the OLB at any point in their system. Parys Haralson plays standing up on 1st and 2nd downs then leaves the game on 3rd downs when Smith/Culliver come in. Sopoaga leaves on passing downs as well…..

Patio Daddio

January 17th, 2012
7:48 pm

Jeffrey doo doo i put Vodka in my kool aid so i can think clearly

nolie

January 17th, 2012
7:49 pm

they both drink kool aid, just different colors, although the maroons is too stoopid to know it

Efrim

January 17th, 2012
7:50 pm

And will be bashed in 2012 for announcing another player getting a shot at any position

Thank the good lord Tim Wheeler is not going to play CF for Atlanta in 2013.

Ray

January 17th, 2012
7:54 pm

PD, I know. and Nolie who are you referring to? Efrim–no doubt.

Peter

January 17th, 2012
7:56 pm

O’Ventbrel has to go. Long live the Untouchables!!

Bat Masterson

January 17th, 2012
7:56 pm

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
7:57 pm

Efrim-

OK, technically they don’t play a 3-4/4-3 hybrid (actually heard someone refer to it as a 3-4/4-2 which I suppose is more accurate)- but they don’t play a standard 3-4 all the time. That was the point I was trying to make- that a team can actually be successful playing a combination of fronts. Which, at least for next year, is probably what the Falcons will have to do until they can get the proper players to run a more standard 3-4 under Nolan.

keylargo

January 17th, 2012
7:59 pm

I’ve been wanting to say your and idiot tonight but it’s too many to choose from.

VaBravesFan

January 17th, 2012
8:00 pm

Patio

Well I think its more about “what if” Pastornicky fails and isn’t ready. Wren’s backup plan is Jack Wilson…While he makes for a good backup there is no way I want him playing everyday. All he’ll provide is good defense. He hit’s like SeaBass but without the power. He is basically a 2nd hitting pitcher in your lineup. Since 2009 his line is 250/285/329…………

I have no problem giving the job to Pastornicky, but he only has 27 games played in AAA and is still only 22. He’s pegged to top out around a above average regular. He isn’t a Heyward or Freeman type. that’s why there’s cause for concern. I’m sure if he tanks Wren will quickly bring in a new Shortstop, no way Wilson will be starting a ton of games, if Wren is serious about winning that is.

I really think Pastornicky will provide average defense, with a batting line around 260/330/360 in that ballpark area. He’ll provide good speed, but batting 8th he won’t be running much. Good approach at the plate and should make alot of contact.

nolie

January 17th, 2012
8:02 pm

guys started in baseball with the second game that was ever played. They have used the best, most modern ways that they had available at the time. The onliest real difference has been in the effectiveness of the ways they cheated.
PEDS > speed etc, but the intent is the same. It’s all cheating

nolie

January 17th, 2012
8:04 pm

“started cheating” 8:02

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:04 pm

The prodigal “daughter” (grandmother) is back. And, I promise I was NOT receiving monkey pubes implants, either! (Yes, I read the comments before commenting.) I have really, really missed you guys! Good to know all the regulars are here again.

Ray

January 17th, 2012
8:05 pm

Va, I totally get everyone’s concern. Don’t worry too much about the reports that he will top out as a utility player. This I know and history has proven it time and time again, there are a LOT of wrong scouting reports. Guys turn out way better than projected and yes vice versa.

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:07 pm

*sigh* Guess I hafta own up to being a “homer” and totally believing in this team this year. Of course, I usually DO and even when they have a total meltdown in Sept., still love’em and wish the best for them the next year.

Dawg'88

January 17th, 2012
8:07 pm

Dave….what time do the Braves workout/practice during the 2 weeks before the Spring Training schedule gets underway?

Hugo Z Hackenbush

January 17th, 2012
8:10 pm

How many would’ve guessed that “monkey pubes” would be the most popular phrase on this blog today?

Ray

January 17th, 2012
8:13 pm

VA, IF the Braves get 260/340/360 range, then I think the Braves will be pleased. Also if he gives us solid defense that will really be the key. I just have a feeling the way the kid will approach the game he is going to win over “most” fans.

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:17 pm

Hubby bought me a signed Dale Murphy bat for my collection as a Christmas present and it brought tears to my eyes. Think it’s because I don’t feel like he gets the recognition he deserves.

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:20 pm

Ray

Guess I feel about him the way I feel about our dermatologist. He has stopped seeing most “lesser” cases and is concentrating on the high risk ones BUT…..he is so special that I feel like anyone he has hired into his practice is more than capable. I have to feel the same way about those making the decisions about the Braves.

nolie

January 17th, 2012
8:20 pm

I hope he makes 700, I’m thinking more like 660, but we’ll see.

David O'Brien

January 17th, 2012
8:21 pm

Oh, even if you completely ignore PED’s, Juan Gonzalez still probably falls short. — Shaun

Really? The guy won two MVP awards, six Silver Slugger awards, and had a .294 career average, .561 slugging percentage and .904 OPS. He had nine seasons with 27 or more homers including five with 42 or more. Had eight seasons with more than 100 RBI including three with at least 140. He hit over .300 five times, slugged .590 or better six times, posted an OBP above .365 five times.

And you think he’d have probably fallen short without any PED cloud over his head? I tend to think he’d have made it, but who knows? I also would’ve thought McGriff would make it, but his voting totals have been so low that I don’t know if he ever will. McGriff has a much bigger body of work than Gonzalez, though he didn’t have as many seasons where he was clearly one of the best 2-3 hitters in his league.

So you might be right about him, actually.

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:23 pm

nolie

I’m especially glad to see YOU back. When I had time to read a bit but not comment, your health was an issue.

Ray

January 17th, 2012
8:25 pm

Just Pat, The part that cracks me up is how many are jumping on the kid saying he can’t do this or that and no one on here has seen him play. Yes I am hoping he can handle the job. IF he can’t I have a feeling he will get sent down pretty quick.

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:27 pm

Ray

I don’t know any more about dermatology than I know about baseball (except I like watching the Braves!), so therefore I have to have faith in the FO doing the job(s) they’re being paid to do. If they think this kid is ready, I’m more than willing to say…….go for it! Hope he proves the naysayers wrong.

shinburger

January 17th, 2012
8:31 pm

with medlen back and if moylan can stay healthy we will have one helluva pen. too bad they will never pitch with a lead.

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:32 pm

I’m also a purist when it comes to the PEDs/Rose discussion and believe that if you break ANY of the baseball “rules”, then……no HOF vote for you! Hubby and I totally disagree on the Rose discussion, but, I prefer to believe more in the “purity” of the game (HA!) than to bend the rules of it.

Efrim

January 17th, 2012
8:34 pm

actually heard someone refer to it as a 3-4/4-2 which I suppose is more accurate)- but they don’t play a standard 3-4 all the time

Fair enough. I think next year they will play Aldon Smith standing up so it’ll be a 3-4 pretty much all the time. But this is working so well maybe they’ll just continue with it.

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:34 pm

Don’t care whether Bonds would or would not have been a candidate before his usage…..he used, he’s out, IMHO.

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
8:35 pm

Efrim-

Regardless, they will need to find a way to get him on the field more. Kid is just a beast.

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:36 pm

Agree with Murph (I think it was) who said it’s about the integrity of the game, not the players.

brian

January 17th, 2012
8:44 pm

way to go Pete! Blog reporting just got easier in getting quotes with Pete back!

Chop Chop

January 17th, 2012
8:45 pm

I’d let all the great players who used into the Hall. I used to think the opposite of that, but I know for a fact that most of the great players at any time in baseball history who have used that stuff if it wasn’t being tested for. Any guy who failed an MLB drug test is fair game. Other than that, vote ‘em in.

Chop Chop

January 17th, 2012
8:45 pm

“would have,” not “who have

Peter

January 17th, 2012
8:47 pm

Bourn
Prado
Chipper
Uggla
McCann
Freeman
Heyward
Pastornicky

Ross
Hinske
Diaz
Wilson
Constanza

Hudson
Hanson
Jurrjens
Beachy
Minor

Kimbrel
Venters
O’Flaherty
Medlen
Moylan
Varvaro
Martinez

I think this is a solid 25 man roster. I left Vizcaino off because I think with Moylan and Medlen both in there we can afford to give him more minor league seasoning as a starter with Teheran and Delgado. The only other thing I would do is get a better back up CF than Constanza, but I don’t see that happening with the budget constraints.

brian

January 17th, 2012
8:54 pm

the AAA rotation will be all world again with Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, and Gilmartin. Wow

Just Pat

January 17th, 2012
8:56 pm

Hubby has finished his project and is ready to go but I really “appreciate” him sticking around and giving me enough time to get back to this blog. Y’all take care.

Bat Masterson

January 17th, 2012
8:59 pm

Good to “see” you, Just Pat. Take care

Peter

January 17th, 2012
9:08 pm

It will be interesting to see in about 3-4 years who the Braves actually keep for the rotation. So many good arms.

kenhotlanta

January 17th, 2012
9:18 pm

Good news on Moylan…welcome back. I’ve spent the last 2 days re-watching Seasons 1 & 2 of Justified, and they were better the 2nd time around. This has to be one of the best TV shows ever.
I’m ready for some more of the further adventures of Raylen Givens and Boyd Crowder…let’s go!

Efrim

January 17th, 2012
9:34 pm

Comment From ChamCham: ]
Delgado,Vizcaino, Simmons, and Bethancourt for McCutchen. Is this enough?

Comment from Mike Newman
No, still too much risk involved. In all honesty, that deal would wind up in a setup man, #3 starter, light hitting SS and wash out catching prospect. There’s not enough guarantee there.

I actually agree with him – based on what we know. Braves don’t have the hitting prospects to make that deal.

BB Fan

January 17th, 2012
9:34 pm

This whole PEDs thing is a little crazy. Before I state my stance, I will say I am 100% in agreement that MLB needed to do something to get the PEDs out of baseball; and I’m glad they have done it and continue to do so. I think it trickles down to the college level and high school as well so by getting rid of the problem at the top, hopefully it helps to keep the younger generation from doing them.

About the HOF…I do not think Bonds, Clemens, Palmeiro, Bagwell, etc should be kept from enshrinement. First ballot election? Yes, but not from it completely. We have no idea how many players took PEDs. We have no idea how much help these PEDs give players. We know it helps them get stronger and may help hand-eye coordination a little but they won’t get me to the big leagues. These players have to have a lot of talent to go along with the PEDs. How many homers did Bonds hit off a pitcher who was using PEDs? How many strike outs did Clemens have against batters using PEDs? It’s a real mess. And do we keep Bagwell out just because he was a big guy so he might have used? I mean obviously it’s not just the big guys that have done them because many if not most of the players caught have been pitchers, speedsters, bench players and role players.

We also do not know when the first player took a PED in baseball. Many writers and fans claim it was in the 80’s but former Braves pitcher Tom House (who pitched from 1971-1978 and was drafted in 1967) said that he saw guys taking anything to get an “advantage” including horse steroids. I don’t remember where I saw it but it was a quote that the article had from him. I don’t know if he was misquoted but I haven’t seen him deny that he said it either. I also know that steroids have been around since the 20’s or 30’s. I think it was a German scientist that created the first steroid. So who knows how many of the records from the 40’s, 50’s, 60’s and 70’s are “authentic.” For all we know, Babe Ruth was taking some kind of steroid. I doubt it, but I can’t say for sure and neither can anybody else.

Also, I find it very odd that so many people want to give the guys who popped “greenies” like they were candy, a free pass. Some say it’s a different kind of cheating. How so? Those players had an unfair advantage over guys that did not pop them. but it’s OK for those abusers to get in the HOF but PED users should be kept out? Wait a minute. Aren’t amphetamines PEDs? They cause increased focus. I would call it a performance enhancer.

What about the pitchers who scuffed the ball or used a substance on the ball? Didn’t they have an unfair advantage over the batter? I would say they did. What about other pitchers who they were competing against for the win or the ERA lead? Yes again. Yet we let them into the HOF. In fact, they are characters of the game.

What about batters who steal signs? They have an unfair advantage over the pitcher they are facing…other hitters they are competing against for the batting title or HR title too. It might be frowned upon in baseball, but they are allowed into the HOF.

So I ask why should the players of today get banned from the HOF for doing the same thing the players of yesterday did? And I don’t want to hear “it changes your body chemistry” either. An unfair advantage is an unfair advantage. Besides, amphetamines must change your body chemistry too if they make a person able to focus better.

What about Lasik Eye Surgery? That’s an advantage. I mean doctor’s invent new procedures everyday. What about Tommy John surgery?

So why should we punish one generation of players but not the others? It makes no sense at all. Every generation had it’s advantages and disadvantages. There’s a whole other list of advantages and disadvantages within the game like: day and night games, cross country road trips, starters staying in to lose the game instead of fresh relievers coming in. I could go on but that’s another topic for another day.

MiaBchBravesFan

January 17th, 2012
9:36 pm

After all the arb signings, I am reminded of the Who:

“Meet the new boss… same as the old boss…”

This team – and its manager – will be under incredible pressure to win AT LEAST a playoff spot, if not the division; nothing less will remove the memory of last September’s disgrace. IF the gNats sign Prince, and the Fish have healthy starters, the Braves will be fighting the Mutts for basement space.

Wow, how the mighty have fallen.

Efrim

January 17th, 2012
9:36 pm

I left Vizcaino off because I think with Moylan and Medlen both in there we can afford to give him more minor league seasoning as a starter with Teheran and Delgado.

Unless he struggles mightily in Spring, I don’t see Vizcaino in Triple-A. He’ll be with the big club. I think Moylan starts out in the minors.

MiaBchBravesFan

January 17th, 2012
9:38 pm

And it will all be because this team does not have ONE legitimate 30HR / 100 RBI / .300 bat…

Hell, and one isn’t even enough!!!

Blog Monitor

January 17th, 2012
9:38 pm

Ray

Just Pat, The part that cracks me up is how many are jumping on the kid saying he can’t do this or that and no one on here has seen him play. Yes I am hoping he can handle the job. IF he can’t I have a feeling he will get sent down pretty quick.
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Well, Joebrave say’s he has a noodle of an arm, and will cost us games, so we are doomed, doomed…

Denny

January 17th, 2012
9:41 pm

Don’t compare Pastornicky to Andrus. Andrus played on a team that had a sick lineup in a hitters park in his rookie year. They could make up for mistakes by his defense with their bats, Braves do not have that. They HAVE to have strong defense, especially at SS. Live and die with pitching and defense and pray for health. That’s pretty much it.

Ray

January 17th, 2012
9:48 pm

Blog

Have you or Joebrave seen the kid play? Have you seen him throw? I doubt it.

Bat Masterson

January 17th, 2012
9:50 pm

Thalia Menninger

Bat Masterson

January 17th, 2012
9:53 pm

There may have been just a tiny little hint of sarcasm in Blog Monitor’s comment, Ray.

Riverscott

January 17th, 2012
9:54 pm

Supes@9:33…
I believe there is an exemption for managers/executives over a certain age – 65, maybe? Bobby is eligible for the HOF immediately as I understand it.
I truly hope the hitters return to their career norm. That is one thing the great Bill James insisted on – past performance is the best indicator of future performance, and unless age or injury becomes an issue, batters should produce stats in line with their previous averages each season (with a spike at age 27 or 28) until they reach about 34 or 35. Remember Constanza was 27 this year – career-best numbers for him; unlikely to be repeated. Of course there are outliers (Chipper) and outright frauds (Bonds).

ryan

January 17th, 2012
9:54 pm

This has been one of the quiet Braves off seasons i have seen in a long time they usually make some type of during the winter but so far nothing i wounder if Braves will be sold .

Ray

January 17th, 2012
9:57 pm

Bat, yeah I got that after I posted and re-read.

McFann O O o

January 17th, 2012
9:59 pm

cabravesfan I seem to recall when Mac came up, he was known as a strong defensive catcher but not much of a hitter. We all know how accurate that scouting report was…

We also know that it wasn’t written by any of these people…

Bat Masterson

January 17th, 2012
10:06 pm

Ray_

Yeah not always evident at first glance.

old man

January 17th, 2012
10:09 pm

Enter your comments here

McFann O O o

January 17th, 2012
10:21 pm

Wow…V-Mart tore his ACL—that ain’t good…but I found this quote from the GM…”int’resting”, I guess you could say…

“I would not use the word devastating,” Dombrowski said on a Tuesday afternoon conference call. “I would say you’re hit in the gut, you pick yourself up and you go.”

I just “like” it ’cause it bugs me when people abuse the word “devastating”…Pearl Harbor, 9/11, tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes…those kinds of events are devastating

nolie

January 17th, 2012
10:24 pm

VJ, if you want the three part “Story of Musicals” get my Email address from Tom O’.

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:28 pm

Hurry up and be March.

Blog Monitor

January 17th, 2012
10:35 pm

no college football, no baseball, this time of year really sucks..

nolie

January 17th, 2012
10:35 pm

don’t be wishing your life away Luv, when you get to be my age you will want some of them days back :?

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
10:38 pm

nolie-

he’s at work. He’ll be home in about an hour if you want to ask him again (I will totally forget. I forget everything)

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:43 pm

I know it nolie polie but I miss baseball so much. I can’t wait.

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
10:44 pm

I want it to be March too. March is a good month

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:46 pm

March Madness too. Something about brackets, seeds, and upsets just makes me so happy.

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:47 pm

Let’s keep on saving ‘teen ‘teen. It’s worked out well so far.

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
10:48 pm

AHEM….I think you are forgetting something, my dear Sopheee

abwright

January 17th, 2012
10:49 pm

It would be great if you could bank these long slow months and redeem them at a later date.

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:49 pm

Ummm, St. Patrick’s Day? Four leaf clovers are cool too.

abwright

January 17th, 2012
10:50 pm

That would be the ticket for the truly passionate baseball fan … a stasis chamber that let you pause for November through March every year.

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
10:50 pm

ummm, no. (although I do like St. Patrick’s day)

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:52 pm

I kid, I kid. Someone’s birthday is in March too. Let’s guess who.

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
10:53 pm

I know! I KNOW! PICK MEEEEE!!!!

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:53 pm

Speaking of birthdays, happy early birthday Bat. It’s death nail from tomorrow on.

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:55 pm

Yes, cab – do enlighten us.

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
10:56 pm

IT’S MY BIRTHDAY IN MARCH!!! :D Already booked our VEGAS trip!!

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
10:57 pm

Happy super early birthday to you too.

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
10:59 pm

:D I already got a cool birthday present…

Sopheee

January 17th, 2012
11:00 pm

I should’ve waited till March!

cabravesfan

January 17th, 2012
11:03 pm

But I can wear them now! (or soon. It’s been super cold here the last few days)

keylargo

January 17th, 2012
11:10 pm

How’s this for Police work?

Fresno, CA

A woman recorded herself smoking Meth and then killed her two children, wounded her husband and then killed herself.

Police also found 10 grams of methamphetamine, scales, nearly $8000 cash and three handguns. They said they have no indication that the adults were involved in narcotics trafficking.

HUH? :shock: :roll:

phil

January 17th, 2012
11:41 pm

Is meth a narcotic? Not that it matters….

That is just so horribly sad.

phil

January 17th, 2012
11:42 pm

Hope you’re all having a decent winter and a good start to the year….night.

Russell Bell

January 17th, 2012
11:55 pm

Wikipedia (english language pages) and other websites about to blackout for 24 hours…

I gotta refrain from making politically motivated comments here, but if you guys haven’t heard about why Wikipedia et al. is going down for 24 hours, you should check it out.

Tom O'Hawke

January 17th, 2012
11:57 pm

VJ, if you want the three part “Story of Musicals” get my Email address from Tom O’. — nolie

I caught this from one of your earlier posts, nolie. I sent Venice Jim your e-mail.
You know, the last time I sent Jim an e-mail, he ended up relocating across the country.
I’m hoping this doesn’t happen again.

cabravesfan would incarcerate me to her doghouse for life. :sad:

Venice Jim

January 17th, 2012
11:59 pm

Tom – well-timed – I was sending an e-mail to him as you were posting (and someone was reading your e-mail over my shoulder)…

cabravesfan

January 18th, 2012
12:01 am

Tom-

You’d like it. Nolie’s made it quite luxurious. But I don’t think VJ is going anywhere this time. I hope…

(I just sent you an e-mail)

cabravesfan

January 18th, 2012
12:12 am

Did I kill the blog? I seem to be good at that :(

Venice Jim

January 18th, 2012
12:14 am

Guess you did…

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