Braves avoid arbitration with the “O” in bullpen trio

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ChattTownBrian (CTB)

January 23rd, 2012
8:54 pm

Ross to Red Sox.

Damn, we could’ve had him. :wink:

DS1

January 23rd, 2012
8:55 pm

Gotta run folks.

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
8:55 pm

not so sure that Hamilton will be a FA, Victorino might not either

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

January 23rd, 2012
9:00 pm

I had Ross to the Red Sox weeks ago – on my PS3. Ya’ll don’t know nothing about that.

Efrim

January 23rd, 2012
9:04 pm

Yeah, if Fielder doesn’t end up with the Rangers, Hamilton isn’t going to get too far into free agency, if at all. Victorino is an interesting case….I guess why not if you’re the Phillies. Every core member of their roster is 31 and up anyway, right? Why mess that veteran style up and they may as well just keep pushing for it.

Jim

January 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm

How about this strategy for FW? Go to ST and see what kind of pitching staff we really have; if we are long on pitching there will be teams that may be desparate to make a deal — for a power-hitting OF, or a SS if that seems necessary. I don’t think it is any more complicated than that. “Long on pitching” means more than 6 quality major league starting pitchers. Then, suppose we trade JJ, for a player with at least an equal number of” control” years (pre-FA). All that we would be giving up would be one year of control for whomever is the starting pitcher who moves up to the Show.

ChattTownBrian (CTB)

January 23rd, 2012
9:06 pm

Both Hamilton and Victorino will be FA. Let me rub my blue … um, crystal balls here and see who we get ……… ahhh, yes, Hamilton it is.

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:07 pm

I read that the Ranger owner likes Hamilton a lot, better than Fielder I admit I am not all that sure about the Flyin’ Hawaiian, just kinduva guess

Efrim

January 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm

Cody Ross made too much sense for the Red Sox after the Bailey trade. Not surprised to see that get done. Darnell McDonald isn’t an everyday player, at all. And Crawford may have to start the year on 15-day DL.

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm

I think you are wrong about hamilton getting to FA Brian

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:10 pm

Hamilton has only had one season when he played more than 133 games, he’s fit right in Chipper’s place on the team……..

Elmer Gantry

January 23rd, 2012
9:15 pm

Lets see….. keep concession prices the same and upgrade the ballclub or do cut-rate concessions as a way to say, “sorry we aren’t going to improve our product on the field.?”

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cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm

Efrim

January 23rd, 2012
9:19 pm

Hamilton isn’t leaving Texas unless Fielder signs there. Anyway, Yankees and Red Sox will both have openings in RF in 2013. I’d temper expectations on corner outfielders next offseason. And Bowman does make a good point about Heyward: If he has a big year, they will most likely concern themselves with locking him up and getting McCann that extension. I don’t think the Braves will be nearly as active on the free agent market. They’ll look to upgrade the roster via trade, imo. Especially if all of the starting pitching stays healthy at the major and minor league level(as unlikely as that may be…).

Tomahawkin (The Godfather)

January 23rd, 2012
9:21 pm

Good!

No More Cody Ross Talk on here…He is not the Savior for the Offense!

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:22 pm

yeah every year there is a certain contingent here who count how much will be coming off the payroll and dream about FA pickups. certain amount of delusion there

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:22 pm

not the savior, but a helluva lot better than any back up we now have

brian

January 23rd, 2012
9:32 pm

yes, 1 year for $3 million for Cody Ross sure seems to be in the Braves ballpark but it is still a lot for a 4th OF and one who would not be an upgrade over Prado. With Prado on the team, Ross will get a lot more ABs with the Red Sox

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:33 pm

Durango is interesting. The trouble with most guys who have no pop, like Constanza, is that when the get to the big league pitching level and the book gets around, they are very susceptible to getting pounded hard in the strike zone cause they can’t usually do enough damage to keep pitchers from doing that. Like Conztanza, pitchers start overpowering them in the zone and they start making a lot of outs. Some few can get around that, but most just get dominated for long stretches at a time

brian

January 23rd, 2012
9:36 pm

Although not right handed, I could see the Braves going for Ethier either with a trade this year or as a free agent. If the Dodgers sign Fielder after their ownership change, they will likely move Ethier. It would cost us one of our pitchers but likely Minor or Beachy or Delgado and not Teheran or Vizcaino. Getting Ethier would be worth at least 2 wins a year even if he took 0 ABs for the Braves simply because he would not be torturing us as a Dodger

ColoradoBravesFan

January 23rd, 2012
9:38 pm

Exactly Nolie….

Cody Ross at $3M plus incentives is way way better than Diaz/Constanza/Durango… and almost for the same money.

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:42 pm

So who knew that Verlander was just the second player in history to win ROY,MVP and CY?
I woulda guessed a few more

Wide Right

January 23rd, 2012
9:43 pm

two questions for DOB or fellow bloggers:

-I read recently that Dan Uggla provided “just short of cover-your-eyes-awful defense at second base” last season. I’m not a sabermetrics guy and i dont fully understand complicated defensive analysis. But going off my general feeling after watching about 50 or 60 games last season on the tube – I felt like Uggla was fine defensively for the Braves in ‘11. Not great but not significantly better than Prado….fine, adequate defense. Am I wrong? Was he truly as dreadful as some say?

- For the same amount of $, would the Braves be better off with a a bench/LFplatoon (on days Prado plays 3rd) of Hinske/Diaz or Drew/Ordonez. Just curious if the Braves were starting from scratch filling those two roster spots, would they prefer to fill Hinske and Diaz role with those remaining free agents at the same $ amount.

cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
9:44 pm

nolie-

I would have thought more too, but than again, so few pitchers win the MVP that it sort of makes sense that only 2 have won all 3 awards…

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:50 pm

Uggla’s biggest problem is lack of range which shows up strongly in defensive metrics. In fact that was a problem with all our infielders to an extent except SS last year
Range is usually kinda hard for the average fan to get a sense of

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:52 pm

yes cab, the MVP bias is the main reason, but I was still a wee bit surprised and I am usually pretty well up on that kinda stuff.

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January 23rd, 2012
9:52 pm

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cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
9:53 pm

nolie-

I certainly was too

DS1

January 23rd, 2012
9:54 pm

Wide Right

I too thought Uggla was OK on defense. Limited range, but good around the bag on the DP. Didn’t seem to muff too many easy plays from what I saw/heard.

But definitely limited range.

DS1

January 23rd, 2012
9:56 pm

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January 23rd, 2012
9:56 pm

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nolie

January 23rd, 2012
9:59 pm

Uggla was ranked just about the same last season as he usually is, maybe just a bit better and that might have at least partly due to do with Freddie’s glove work. Uggla is still ranked 20th or lower most every year

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
10:01 pm

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brian

January 23rd, 2012
10:06 pm

it still is too bad the Braves cannot get Uggla to LF and Prado to 2B – it would improve our defense and not sting quite as bad having Jack Wilson or someone at 2B when Prado covers 3B

nolie

January 23rd, 2012
10:09 pm

as for ground ball double plays, according to Fielding Bible on the Bill James site he had 199 opportunities and turned 80 of them for a -6 Runs scored and a 33 ranking.
In 2010 he had 180 chances, turned 79 for a -3 RS and a 32 rating.
Those were his two worst years at the DP for whatever that is worth

sjh

January 23rd, 2012
10:13 pm

braves are so cheap it’s sad

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
10:14 pm

DS1

January 23rd, 2012
10:16 pm

brian

Prado is marginally better at second than Uggla. Uggla has never played LF. Why would you want to go there? And I really can’t see Jack Wilson being the player getting AB’s when Chipper is out. More likely Diaz or Hinske at this point, unless we add someone else with a better bat.

sjh

January 23rd, 2012
10:17 pm

Wouldn’t even sign Ross who is much better then wonder boy Diaz who can’t hit, field, run, throw and hits into tons of double plays to top off his sucknes. Hinske sucked last year. Is that a sign he’s probably near finished or what?

Rico Carty

January 23rd, 2012
10:20 pm

Prado is not a left fielder. Why do we keep trying to put guys in LF who simply are not left fielders?
Ross is and for $3 million? Is that too much to pay for a guy who could end up spending some decent time out there? He’s way better than Diaz. Seems like a reasonable gamble. Bravos must be broke.

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
10:22 pm

The Braves offered Ross more but he did not want play for them.

cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
10:23 pm

There is a difference between “broke” and “out of money to spend.” Braves don’t have $3 million to spend

sjh

January 23rd, 2012
10:25 pm

Holy sh*& how are some of you guys so calm and cool going into the new season withheld many questions with key players health? Look at our top three pitchers coming into spring coming off injuries and don’t even know if Huddy will be the real Huddy or a shell of himself coming off another injury. Hey it happens quick, athletes can fall fast . Our hitting is the same group that inevitably caused one of the worst collapses in the sports history.

If you all are so secure with this team than you are looking through rosy colored glasses, just the way Frank Wren drew it up in his last interview. No different than a bull sh&$ing politician.

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
10:26 pm

Probably because Fredi is such a harsh taskmaster.

cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
10:27 pm

Not sure what would be accomplished if more of us panicked and started complaining about every little thing. Besides, there are enough folks that do that already- don’t need any more.

DS1

January 23rd, 2012
10:28 pm

So now I am no different than a bull shyting politician?

Ouch!

:wink:

later folks.

Sopheee

January 23rd, 2012
10:29 pm

You’re right! Let’s revolt! Everyone meet me in the lobby of the 755 Club tomorrow at 8am sharp and we’ll stampede our way into Frank Wren’s office.

cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
10:29 pm

Sopheee-

Don’t think I can make it. Break some s*** for me?

Sopheee

January 23rd, 2012
10:29 pm

Someone should probably stay behind to bail the rest of us out of jail though.

brian

January 23rd, 2012
10:30 pm

yes, the way it stands now when Prado is at 3B it will be Hinske/Diaz in LF. Wilson should be and is a reserve who will be more of a defensive replacement assuming that Pastornicky is ready.

I would have loved to see Nunez in a braves uniform as a part time SS and 3B with possibly some ABs in LF. I think he would have done really well against NL pitching

Sopheee

January 23rd, 2012
10:31 pm

Fo’ sure, cab. I’ll throw Frank’s favorite lamp against the wall and dedicate it to you.

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
10:31 pm

Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand.

cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
10:32 pm

I knew I could count on you, Sopheee :D

ncbravesfan90

January 23rd, 2012
10:35 pm

1 year $3 million dollars for Cody Ross…wouldnt be that bad for someone that would have been tied for the most homeruns produced in our outfield last season and the OBP leader for our outfield…….

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
10:35 pm

I’ll break y’all out of jail, Soph. No sense in wasting money on a bail bondsman.

cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
10:38 pm

1 year $3 million dollars for Cody Ross

Wouldn’t be bad for the Braves…but it’s not up to them. If Cody can get more money and more years from another team he’s not coming to Atlanta. Which is clearly the case…

Sopheee

January 23rd, 2012
10:39 pm

We’ll appreciate it, Bat. I’ll carve your name into Frank’s beautiful mahogany desk in your honor.

sjh

January 23rd, 2012
10:40 pm

Wow you guys are so conservative with your team. I do wonder if our fan base was more outspoken would the front office step out a little further and take more chances. Or at least not feed the “ahh, oh well” dumb lines that “all is great”. Suuuure it is. Your team just had a humiliating meltdown for everybody to see.

brian

January 23rd, 2012
10:40 pm

the only way I see someone from this blog leading a revolt against Frank Wren in the near future is if he abruptly trades Brian McCann (wonder who would lead that one……….)

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
10:40 pm

Cool, Soph. Thanks

P'cola Brave

January 23rd, 2012
10:42 pm

Now that the Red Six have signed Ross I wonder if they will need to move Sweeney in order to free up a little more money. I think he’d be a good fit. Maybe JD Drew as a bat off the bench.

McFann O O o

January 23rd, 2012
10:46 pm

brian wonder who would lead that one……….

Hmm…anybody I know…? :P

Sopheee

January 23rd, 2012
10:47 pm

I’d probably have to expand my brick business if that ever happened.

sjh

January 23rd, 2012
10:51 pm

This is what I’m talking about- you stay content with a guy is next to useless in Diaz and pass on Ross shipping would’ve been a really nice piece for us off the bench and a key fill in for the outfield. Hinske struggling so much in his appearances last year makes this a little more rough because you’re left with crossing fingers and praying guys who will get so much playing time have morebleft in the tank. Chances are they don’t.

Just dumb and cheap by the Braves.

cabravesfan

January 23rd, 2012
10:54 pm

Braves don’t have the money to sign Ross.

McFann O O o

January 23rd, 2012
10:57 pm

Sopheee

True that. You could make a bundle…

McFann O O o

January 23rd, 2012
10:57 pm

Besides, having two Rosses would be too confusing…

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
10:59 pm

I guess Ross saying he was not considering the Braves is irrelevant.

ncbravesfan90

January 23rd, 2012
11:00 pm

I believe they certainly have 3 million dollars left to spend this offseason…

brian

January 23rd, 2012
11:00 pm

I’d buy a few bricks if that happened……..

brian

January 23rd, 2012
11:02 pm

With Prado set for LF, if anything the Braves could use a left handed bat to hit against righties. Red Sox have wanted Sweeney for a while so don’t see them trading him. Who knows if JD Drew has anything left

ncbravesfan90

January 23rd, 2012
11:02 pm

He was saying that the braves weren’t a finalists for his services, does not mean that he would not play for the braves. I believe he would have taken a 1 year 2.5 million dollar deal, had it been offered to him, due to the fact he would be reunited with Fredi and also he has expressed interest that he would love to play for the braves.

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January 23rd, 2012
11:03 pm

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Kat

January 23rd, 2012
11:04 pm

Watching Kansas win another home game.. good game to watch before bed.

Bat Masterson

January 23rd, 2012
11:12 pm

Okay I have not been paying close attention to all this, but let me see if I have the basics.

Cody Ross signed with Boston for 3 million dollars, is that right?

And you think he would have played for Atlanta for 2.5 million because he likes Fredi?

$500,000.00 less ……………. I don’t know the guy but I would bet he loves his kids a hell of a lot more than he likes Fredi.

Lew

January 24th, 2012
8:08 am

Is thee mil too much to pay for Cody Ross? I don’t know, if you have $5 in your pocket and you’re hungry, are you going to Taco Bell or Outback Steakhouse?

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