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Murph
January 23rd, 2012
10:57 am
DAP, I was looking at that same list… not much to choose from if they are hoping to fill the CF/leadoff vacancy for more than a couple of years. Gotta figure that Granderson has his option picked up, and the rest of those guys outside of maybe Victorino aren’t much to write home about, and he’s 32. Hasn’t shown much decline yet, to his credit.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
10:59 am
I don’t think the Braves will be able to do better than Bourn. I’m sure Boras knows this and will play the Braves’ desperate need for a CF/leadoff man to get Bourn an amount that most are uncomfortable paying, but all things considered, if it takes 4 years and $10-12mil per year, I don’t see another option.
Well 2012 will tell the tale. If Heyward has a good year and is the player the Braves expect him to be……. Bounce back to norms for Prado……..Heap being Heap….. The same or a step up for Freddy ……. Uggla being Uggla………… The Rev proving out ………….. If all that and Chipper hangs it up, get a good LF or 3rd baseman and anyone not named Ankel can play center.
Efrim
January 23rd, 2012
11:03 am
I haven’t read through the Niner comments…..I’ll just say that they played hard and it was a great game to watch. Tough loss, although any outcome that wasn’t the Niners winning was going to be a tough loss. They clearly need more weapons at the WR position. Crabtree is mediocre and their playoff performance vs. the Saints and Giants as a unit was unacceptable. That defense is scary good, and all things considered, their offensive line played very well too. Most physical team in the NFL, imo.
Free agency will change some things: Carlos Rogers, Ahmad Brooks, Dashon Goldson on the defensive side of the football, Alex Smith, Adam Snyder, Ted Ginn, Jr., Josh Morgan on the offensive side of the football. WR, OG, CB, DL/DE, OLB are needs in the draft, imo.
Hillbilly
January 23rd, 2012
11:04 am
Matt Lipka is going to destroy High A this season and put himself on the map as a serious centerfield threat. This will change everyone’s centerfield plans, so that we are looking for a one-year stop-gap instead of a long term centerfielder. Meanwhile Cory Harrilchak will catch fire in the upper levels and take a firm hold of that stop-gap position. And Todd Cunningham will remain injured.
There is only one portion of that pipe dream that I actually believe, but doesn’t it all sound good?
DAP
January 23rd, 2012
11:05 am
10paul He may be like Seabass in the outfield, but CF while still a defensive position, typically has guy who can hit a notch or two above Seabass level.
ankiel does hit a notch or 2 above gonzalez, in my opinion. better OBP, and he can run into a few himself.
dont get me wrong, ankiel isnt a good hitter by any stretch, but hes better than gonzalez, (shows you how bad gonzaez was) and he can play some CF. i dont want ankiel, but id rather have him at $1mil than bourn at $12mil.
DAP
January 23rd, 2012
11:07 am
murph I was looking at that same list… not much to choose from if they are hoping to fill the CF/leadoff vacancy for more than a couple of years
yeah, not an eye popping list. but i see 4 maybe 5 pretty good options for CF. sticking them at lead off is another story, as probably only bourn and victorino would work there.
Murph
January 23rd, 2012
11:15 am
I do wonder if a “true leadoff” hitter is overvalued at times. I think back to the last time the Braves were consistently in contention and how they had Furcal at the top of the order and can’t help but think that losing him had a huge impact. Then I look at the rotation for the post-Furcal era and it all makes sense. He was a decent leadoff guy, but his departure and the lack of a true leadoff guy was not the team’s downfall.
So, how much is a guy like Bourn really worth at the end of the day?
DAP
January 23rd, 2012
11:15 am
ankiel does hit a notch or 2 above gonzalez, in my opinion.
ok, a notch. probably not 2. :- )
Patio Daddio
January 23rd, 2012
11:16 am
I bet more people mispell the name Michael Bourn than the name Joey Terdoslavich
richbrave
January 23rd, 2012
11:19 am
Ter-doss-la-vic
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
11:23 am
I haven’t read through the Niner comments _ Efrim
It was a very good game. The football gods got their laughs having the game turn on special teams play/ turnovers considering how good the Niners were in those categories.
David O'Brien
January 23rd, 2012
11:34 am
Some have asked why Boras guys are so slow to sign. Here’s another perfect example, the Prince Fielder matter. Boras is doing his thing again. Now watch the offers climb exponentially.
From Kenny Rosenthal via Twitter: Presence of #Orioles in Fielder derby, as reported by @Jim_Duquette, could set up O’s vs. #Nationals, giving Boras leverage he needs.
Efrim
January 23rd, 2012
11:40 am
Bourn is going to be valued between 8-12, maybe even 13 million per year. I wouldn’t pay him more than 9-10 million annually on a four year extension taking him through 2016. I don’t think the Braves are going to re-sign him and I think Bourn is going to get a five year deal worth at least 12 million a year on the open market.
The thing to watch will be if the Braves offer Bourn a 12.4 million dollar qualifying offer so they could receive two draft picks when he walks. There is simply no reason that they shouldn’t offer him a one year deal, given that they actually have a need in CF and have a boatload of free cash to spend for 2013. No reason at all not to make the smart play so they can get two draft picks. Hell, they can use the two picks on two college LH’s that can’t break 90 mph, but please, just make the friggin offer this November.
Lew
January 23rd, 2012
11:43 am
Efreim – Got to agree with you on Bourn. Perfect player to offer arb. If he takes it you have a CFer and if not, take them draft picks.
Of course if they DO take the draft picks, I have a feeling they will get criticized for who they pick.
DAP
January 23rd, 2012
11:44 am
agreed efrim. we could use a few polished leftys, since minor will be up with the big club. our farm is taking a hit.
VaBravesFan
January 23rd, 2012
11:56 am
After the season I think will end up trading Jurrjens for like 2 good prospects + getting more salary off the books. You really have to figure Delgado or Teheran will be ready to start the year in the bigs.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
11:56 am
Boras is doing his thing again. Now watch the offers climb exponentially.
I haven’y heard any speculation on his price tag, lately. What’s it gonna be?
..An inmate at a correctional facility
January 23rd, 2012
11:59 am
I was playing poker yesterday at a card room, surrounded by a sea of 49er fans. I have never taken more pleasure from seeing a bunch of grown mean moan and curse…than when I saw Williams fumble that punt return deep inside 49er territory in overtime.
I thought of the few 49er fans on here who gloated so much about their team….I took much pleasure in their pain yesterday. Couldnt happen to more worthy individuals, lol!
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm
Gee, I don’t know.
How about 5 years/150mm
Patio Daddio
January 23rd, 2012
12:01 pm
Question to ponder
Does the stolen base attempt create Mayhem for the defense or for the hitter that is at bat?
Also, I did a little research and found a guy who did a little research and he said while there has been a drop off at most batting order positions, none of them have been as dramatic as the drop off in the leadoff spot, which for scoring runs is a very important part of the lineup as they set the table.
Average MLB team’s batting line from the leadoff spot:
2010- .265/.330/.385/.715
2009- .278/.347/.410/.757
2008- .275/.344/.415/.759
2007- .277/.345/.414/.759
2006- .279/.343/.418/.761
2005- .280/.342/.407/.748
2004- .282/.343/.416/.759
2003- .273/.332/.399/.731
2002- .266/.332/.394/.726
2001- .268/.331/.393/.724
2000- .276/.349/.403/.752
Players with 350 PA’s in the leadoff spot:
2010 (16 players)
OBP over .350: 3
SLG over .400: 6
OPS over .750: 6
OPS over .800: 2
2009 (26 players)
OBP over .350: 17
SLG over .400: 17
OPS over .750: 19
OPS over .800: 10
So he said where have all of the leadoff hitters gone?
richbrave
January 23rd, 2012
12:02 pm
What’s shakin’ down on the farm in the OF?
In AAA
The list of 2012’s OF ghosts in BRAVES uni’s is extensive:
NATE McLOUTH
JORDAN SCHAFER
ANTOAN RICHARDSON
MATT YOUNG
WILKIN RAMIREZ
JOE MATHER
And then there’s:
JASON HEYWARD, he of the 6 AB’s of course will be in ATLANTA.
JOSE CONSTANZA with his .312 BA in 333 AB’s and the .361 OBP we all know about. Good AAAA player.
Others about whom we know less:
JEFF FIORENTINO – 208 AB/ .260 BA. 28 BB/40 SO. .349 OBP/.743 OPS. Prospects not good at this point.
STEFEN GARTRELL – 454 AB/ .262 BA. 44 BB/ 114 SO. .338 OBP/ .842 OPS. Once the league firured out that hole in his swing, the SO’s zoomed upward and the BA swooned. Is he still a BRAVE?
WILLIE CABRERA struggled after his late call-up from MISSISSIPPI. In 24 AB, WILLIE hit an anemic .185 after going .264 in 371 AB’s with PEARL RIVER. Nice batting eye resulted in 25 BB/31 SO ratio with the Bandits, but against better pitching at GWINNETT those numbers deteriorated to 2 BB/7 SO. WILLIE apppears to have limited power as well with a .364 slugging number, and may have topped out in our system at AA.
Acquisition 29 year-old CHRIS CARTER responded well to a BRAVES uni in limited work last season. In 68 AB’s, he hit .338 with a .574 slugging percent. 7 BB/9 SO a nice bonus. Far better than his season with the BULLS, where he hit .270 in 215 AB’s with a .460 slugging and a 12 BB/28 SO ratio. Sometimes it late in a career before a player finds his groove with the right mix of temmates and coaching. It will be interesting to see what he puts up in 2012.
..An inmate at a correctional facility
January 23rd, 2012
12:04 pm
I dont care how poorly Dallas played this year. I got over my hurt a month ago. What matters is that the misery of 49er fans brought me plenty of joy last night, lol!
richbrave
January 23rd, 2012
12:05 pm
“……..Of course if they DO take the draft picks, I have a feeling they will get criticized for who they pick……..” LEW
Ya’ think? Especially here. Heh!
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm
I thought of the few 49er fans on here who gloated so much about their team ……….. _ PL
I must have missed that.
What matters is that the misery of 49er fans brought me plenty of joy last night, lol! _ PL
Thats why everyone loves ya, Paul
Venice Jim
January 23rd, 2012
12:09 pm
He is such a sweetheart…
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
12:10 pm
Thanks for the 411, richbrave
Patio Daddio
January 23rd, 2012
12:12 pm
Who needs to be the highest paid offensive player on the team? The leadoff guy or the bangers who dive in the runs, also known as the 3, 4, and 5 hitters?
Pass on Bourn. Get the picks
Patio Daddio
January 23rd, 2012
12:13 pm
And could just as easily be drive in the runs
TennesseePaul
January 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm
ankiel does hit a notch or 2 above gonzalez, in my opinion. better OBP, and he can run into a few himself.
… I just– ok, a notch. probably not 2. :- ) … (exhale). OK. I can live with that.
But I don’t want to live with Ankiel back on the Braves. The team has worked so hard to get rid of all the busts in CF. I’d like to keep that spot clean of them for more than a year.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
12:16 pm
5 years for 150mm……… Thats just crazy
8 years/200mm
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
12:19 pm
Speaking of crazy, I’ve had the AC on, to cool the house off enough to sleep, 7 out of the past 10 nights.
TennesseePaul
January 23rd, 2012
12:20 pm
There is simply no reason that they shouldn’t offer him a one year deal, given that they actually have a need in CF and have a boatload of free cash to spend for 2013.
In theory. In practice Bourn will accept arbitration during the Fall meetings and within 4 minutes Wren will trade him a fast fading bull-pen arm on the verge of retirement. “We like what we got for him. Think this pitcher is better than prospects because he’s already made it to the majors. Wasn’t he an all-star once?”
ncscoots
January 23rd, 2012
12:22 pm
In theory. In practice Bourn will accept arbitration during the Fall meetings and within 4 minutes Wren will trade him a fast fading bull-pen arm on the verge of retirement.
A slight trace of bitter cynicism is starting to creep into TennPaul’s posts, LOL.
Efrim
January 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm
Ya know, what scares me is that we’ll have a CF prospect that they are happy with via trade and will think “Gee whiz, we can’t block this guy. We want to give him a chance to play everyday”.
I’ll put my fist through a wall if said quotes come out of Wren’s mouth.
Now, if we don’t have a prospect in the system before season’s end, we should be safe. All qualifying offers must be submitted within the 5 day “quiet” period after the last out of the World Series. So that should be such a little amount of time that Wren should feel comfortable offering Bourn a one year contract, even at a little more than 12 million. Right? Please?
Efrim
January 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm
PL, your Cowboy team is just awful and they don’t have a shot with Jerry Jones making decisions. Good luck with 3rd place the next few seasons.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
12:40 pm
KRP – the Thanksgiving episode was a turkey drop, frozen turkeys from a few thousand feet. Bombs away in Cincinnati! _ Jim
Live turkeys, Jim.
“As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!!!” — Arthur Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati ……
Unfortunately, this turned out to be a serious miscalculation. The poor birds plunged to earth, never even having a chance. Their tragic “last flight” was relayed to WKRP listeners by reporter Les Nessman, played by Richard Sanders:
“It’s a helicopter, and it’s coming this way. It’s flying something behind it, I can’t quite make it out, it’s a large banner and it says, uh – Happy… Thaaaaanksss… giving! … From … W … K … R… P!! No parachutes yet. Can’t be skydivers… I can’t tell just yet what they are, but – Oh my God, Johnny, they’re turkeys!! Johnny, can you get this? Oh, they’re plunging to the earth right in front of our eyes! One just went through the windshield of a parked car! Oh, the humanity! The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! Not since the Hindenburg tragedy has there been anything like this!”
Efrim
January 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm
Hope Prince Fielder goes to the O’s or Rangers. Get him out of this league…
cabravesfan
January 23rd, 2012
12:42 pm
I am so miserable that my team went from 6-10 to 13-3 this year. I am sobbing that my defense finished #4 in the league and didn’t give up a rushing touchdown until gem 15. I find I am inconsolable that my team played in the NFC title game after years of failures. I am depressed thinking about Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, and NaVorro Bowman anchoring the defense for years to come. I hate the fact that Jim Harbaugh was able to remind people that Alex Smith, while no Aaron Rodgers, can play this game. Frank Gore makes me cry. I am disgusted that the Niners have the best kickers and the best coverage team in the league. So many reasons to be miserable today. Being a 49ers fan is not one of them.
Murph
January 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm
You know what’s funny? Tony Romo. That guy makes me laugh. And laugh. And laugh.
He’s funny.
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm
Ah, the ole blog…not enough to worry about 2012 (b!tch and moan)…but now we also have to fret about 2013 and beyond, with comments like “we better not…” and “I’ll do so and so” if Wren does “this or that”.
A little silly to worry about 2 seasons from now when we don’t really know for sure who will own the team and what the budget will look like. For sure, we don’t know who will still be on the team, who will get hurt, who will be available, what they would cost, what moves Wren will make before then, etc, etc.
Efrim
January 23rd, 2012
12:52 pm
but now we also have to fret about 2013 and beyond, with comments like “we better not…” and “I’ll do so and so” if Wren does “this or that”.
I think it’s fine to make comments about current players on the roster or the state of the farm system. It’s silly to think these things aren’t allowed to be discussed on this board. What are we to sit here and do then? Complain about a 13-3 West Coast NFL team?
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
12:52 pm
PL – Laughing at SF fans doesn’t make your sorry@ss Cowboys a damn bit better. They still sukk, and Jerry Jones is still a jerk. And they still need a real quarterback.
Efrim
January 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm
Niners have more talent than most all teams in the NFL. Perhaps Houston being the only more complete team providing Matt Shaub and Andre Johnson are healthy.
brian
January 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm
any word on Chipper’s off season conditioning progrram??
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 23rd, 2012
1:00 pm
He’s actually a patient at the funny farm, not an inmate at a prison.
brian
January 23rd, 2012
1:08 pm
Jerry Jones killed the Cowboys. Once his ego killed the relationship with Jimmy Johnson and his ego decided he would be GM as well, there went the championships (Switzer won with Jimmy’s team).
diamondlady
January 23rd, 2012
1:14 pm
Just got my tickets for Opening Day at Disney versus the Tigers!
old man
January 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm
If someone has a starter go down in ST, could we get a top-notch 4th OFer and a prospect for JJ? Assuming the hypothetical team had no one with quality in their own system to step up and start? That would be an ideal situation.
The possibility of getting someone in that scenario who is a huge upgrade over Prado is probably too optimistic. If Prado is a 3.4 WAR type of player, I’m picturing someone who is maybe a 2.6-3.1 type of guy. Plus a second-tier prospect with high upside.
This is pretty much the only scenario I see for us making a significant move before opening day.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
1:22 pm
Niners have more talent than most all teams in the NFL. _ Efrim
And to think I defended you from PL’s smug comment.
Don in TN
January 23rd, 2012
1:22 pm
nolie: “Sutton was good but not overpowering. There was a fair amount of griping when he was elected, many saying he got there by longevity rather than exceptional ability”
And now they say that Dale Murphy had the exceptional ablity, but not the longevity!
CB
January 23rd, 2012
1:22 pm
Jerry Jones is to football as Steven Tyler is to singing the National Anthem.
unbelievable
January 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm
brian – Im sure Chippers in the best shape of his life. Arent all players going into Spring Training?
Ozzie
January 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm
While optimistic on Cespedes I think he is hurting his value by trying to get in baseball shape in the DR (under all the scrutiny).
He seems to have a raw talent you want to see but not at 10mm a year.
Maybe someone gets him cheaper than the 50mm or so his agent is seeking and parks him in AAA for part of or a full season.
Lollygagger
January 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm
Jerry Jones is to football as Steven Tyler is to singing the National Anthem.
meaning they’re both rich and successful? Think about that for a minute… one owns a football team that has multiple NFL titles, and the other has sold more albums than a warehouse can hold. I’d love to simply know somebody who knows one of those guys.
CB
January 23rd, 2012
1:45 pm
Right,Lollygagger. That is what I meant or maybe I meant Steven Tyler sucks at singing the National Anthem and Jerry Jones sucks as a GM. One of those scenarios.
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm
Steven Tyler is the current Paula Abdul of AMerican Idol…and that’s no compliment.
George
January 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm
WKRP was a great sit-com.
DAP
January 23rd, 2012
1:50 pm
steven tyler is pretty good, but i wouldnt underestimate his ability to completely butcher our National Anthem. im guessing he sang it yesterday for one of the games?
CB
January 23rd, 2012
1:54 pm
No, I wouldn’t call it singing it. More like screaming, I was hoping he would put us out of our misery and forget the words.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
1:55 pm
WKRP was a great sit-com. _ George
Yep, I just watched the Turkey & the Preacher episodes which is the only reason this morning has not been a complete waste.
brian
January 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm
Chipper needs to adjust to the old man off season training program instead of expecting to be able to hit spring training like someone in their 20s or early 30s
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
1:59 pm
Bat – Both good episodes…”Imagine”.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
2:03 pm
ralieghbf_
Yep, I’m watching the ” Bailey’s Show” episode now.
David O'Brien
January 23rd, 2012
2:04 pm
steven tyler is pretty good, but i wouldnt underestimate his ability to completely butcher our National Anthem. im guessing he sang it yesterday for one of the games? — DAP
His anthem rendition was tragic, and he stopped being good (or relevant as a rock musician) a couple of decades ago.
DAP
January 23rd, 2012
2:10 pm
DOB and he stopped being good (or relevant as a rock musician) a couple of decades ago.
i think his music from decades ago is still relevant. as is the stuff from perhaps only 1 decade ago. areosmith is great rock music.
David O'Brien
January 23rd, 2012
2:11 pm
Why does it matter if Sutton was “overpowering?” Is the HOF for “overpowering pitchers” are for great pitchers?
The guy won 15 or more games nine times in an 11-year span, led the league in WHIP four times, pitched more than 225 innings FIFTEEN TIMES, had five 200-strikeout seasons and finished in the top five in Cy Young balloting for five consecutive seasons.
David O'Brien
January 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm
If someone has a starter go down in ST, could we get a top-notch 4th OFer and a prospect for JJ? Assuming the hypothetical team had no one with quality in their own system to step up and start? That would be an ideal situation. — old man
It’s not hard to envision a scenario in which a team loses a starter or two in camp and becomes desperate enough to give up more for Jurrjens than anyone was willing to give up this winter. Remember the Braves five years ago, when Hampton got hurt in camp and they resorted to bringing Mark Redman out of his basement in Oklahoma? (Literally; he was pitching off a basement mound at his house, to keep in shape in case anyone called.)
McKee
January 23rd, 2012
2:19 pm
DOB…Not sure if your a fan or not but have you listened to Staind’s latest CD? I was surprised at how good it sounded.
David O'Brien
January 23rd, 2012
2:19 pm
DAP, I love early Aerosmith. Toys In The Attic, Rocks, all that is terrific. I didn’t say his/their music from decades ago is irrelevant; of course it’s not. That stuff is timeless. I said he stopped being relevant a couple of decades ago, meaning in terms of making new music that really matters. Disagree if you want, but please tell me what music he’s made in the past two decades that doesn’t absolutely pale next to Aerosmith’s great early stuff? And he’s a caricature at this point, doing that ridiculous judging gig.
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
2:26 pm
Caricature is a great description of Steven Tyler in 2012. (as is “ridiculous judging gig”).
DAP
January 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
DOB Disagree if you want, but please tell me what music he’s made in the past two decades (or more) that doesn’t absolutely pale next to Aerosmith’s great early stuff?
well i dont HATE some of the newer stuff. its still good rock music, compared to alot of the stuff out these days. totally agree the older stuff is better, and will always be great music, no matter what.
but hey, i watch american idol and like it. at least the early stages where steven tyler is the star. once the talent competition and the voting starts, i dont care as much. (probably because it coincides with baseball starting back) dont judge me. :- )
Hillbilly
January 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
The last Aerosmith album I bought was Nine Lives, and it’s not terrible. It’s nowhere near their best, but it’s decent.
And to this day Love In An Elevator at Barton Coliseum in Little Rock in ‘98 still ranks in my personally-witnessed top 5 concert moments. Crowd participation is through the roof on that one.
kenhotlanta
January 23rd, 2012
2:30 pm
In other news, I have the Dish Network and just noticed a channel that has been playing Christmas music for about 3 months is now The Barbie Channel. Can you believe a cable channel completely devoted to Barbie? It’s probably PL’s favorite.
ncscoots
January 23rd, 2012
2:31 pm
but hey, i watch american idol and like it.
Well, we’re still mostly anonymous here, so you got that going for you.
Murph
January 23rd, 2012
2:32 pm
I’ve met Don Sutton a couple of times. I came away impressed by his fro, intrigued by his perfectly even tan, and kinda grossed out at the softness of his hands.
ATL Insider
January 23rd, 2012
2:33 pm
I wonder if Frank will try to pick up this kid? This is, of course, limited information, but should be worth a look.
The Orioles released Kyle Hudson, Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com reports. Baltimore had designated the outfielder for assignment on January 10th to create 40-man roster space for Wei-Ying Chen.
Hudson, 25, posted a .296/.375/.336 line with 41 stolen bases in 485 minor league plate appearances across three levels in 2011. He also appeared in 14 Major League games for the Orioles as a September callup. The 25-year-old has played left and center field since the Orioles selected him in the fourth round of the 2008 draft. -MLBTR
brian
January 23rd, 2012
2:33 pm
come on DOB – you don’t think Love in an Elevator compares with Dream On or Rag Doll compares with Back in the Saddle or Walk this Way?? (only 2 new songs I could think of)
I suppose you don’t like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, etc – especially each of their 3rd albums and beyond.
Seriously though Tyler is a caricature now probably even more so than Mick Jagger and that is saying something
flange1
January 23rd, 2012
2:35 pm
Hillbilly,
It’s funny, but I saw Aerosmith many times back in the day and they were a TERRIBLE live band. They are actually better now than they used to be.
I can think of at least 4 shows that I saw Aerosmith suck so bad that I walked out of the concert. Granted 3 of the 4 of these were large stadium events with multiple headliners.
But Aerosmith and Boston are the 2 worst shows I have ever seen. ANd this is old Aerosmith too!
Hillbilly
January 23rd, 2012
2:36 pm
The rest of my top concert moments, I think:
1. Drive-By Truckers – a capella rendition of Bulldozers and Dirt when the power went out in Little Rock ‘2010.
2. David Allan Coe – Waylon Medley in El Dorado, AR 3 days after Waylon died – 2002.
3. Roger Waters – First note of In The Flesh – Dallas 2000.
4. The aforementioned Aerosmith moment.
5. Jerry Jeff Walker – Backsliders Wine – circa 2001.
David O'Brien
January 23rd, 2012
2:37 pm
I’ve met Don Sutton a couple of times. I came away impressed by his fro, intrigued by his perfectly even tan, and kinda grossed out at the softness of his hands. — Murph
I’ll bet you made a far better impression on him. I’ll try to remember to ask him.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
2:42 pm
they resorted to bringing Mark Redman out of his basement in Oklahoma? (Literally; he was pitching off a basement mound at his house, to keep in shape in case anyone called.)
And commenting on baseball blogs, don’t forget that.
David O'Brien
January 23rd, 2012
2:42 pm
Hillbilly, in that list of five concert moments, “Love In An Elevator” is a glaring case of which one of these does not belong? It would have been one thing if you’d have included Aerosmith playing “Dream On” or “Back In The Saddle,” preferably before 1990….
ncscoots
January 23rd, 2012
2:43 pm
Sutton knows pitching, and I give him points for that. But, my God, he is one exceedingly garrulous mo-fo. He appears to have no concept of the flow of the game, at least, when it comes to his anecdotes. He starts one of those suckers at a hitter’s first pitch, and when he finally gets back to the game, it’s 3-and-2.
And, somewhere, sometime, some consultant told him to introduce personal data on a player (to humanize the player, and so forth), so out comes Sutton with “…went to HS in Boca Raton at Cardinal Emmanuel High School”. You wait for the rest of it, and you get zip, LOL. Just a random note from the media guide. Scully throws out the same HS tidbit and then proceeds to tell you how the player wound up playing the cello in the school orchestra and it helped him build the strength in his wrists to hit 30 dingers.
I’m not asking Sutton to be Vin Scully, just that he let the game dictate story pacing and that he dispense with the un-researched filler.
Oh, yeah, and do something about that hair.
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
2:43 pm
Sorry DAP, but I gotta say that, IMO anyway, Steven Tyler is now just a clown (albeit, he wouldn’t fit in the little bitty car). Too many brain cells destroyed, I suspect. He also comes across as lecherous and pathetic around all of the cute girl contestants…he would be embarrasing himself, if he wasn’t clueless.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
2:46 pm
I saw Areosmith in Orlando 1983, “Super Bowl of Rock.” I think it was just after Joe Perry came back. Good show, good time.
Hillbilly
January 23rd, 2012
2:47 pm
flange, I had the same experiences with Hank Jr. live. I’ve seen him twice, although I actually was there for his opening acts both times (Charlie Daniels and Jamey Johnson.) Disastrous. Charlie Daniels blew him out of the water, and I might should have put his rendition of Orange Blossom Special in my top five.
Murph
January 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm
I’ll bet you made a far better impression on him. I’ll try to remember to ask him.
That was funny.
Hillbilly
January 23rd, 2012
2:53 pm
DOB,
It wasn’t that the song is great, by any means. It was the unbelievable crowd participation that blew me away in that instance. The “Whoa…WHOA YEAH.” Acutally the next best part of that show still wasn’t Dream On. It was Sweet Emotion.
DAP
January 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm
Sutton is a smart baseball guy with lots of knowledge, but not the most talented broadcaster ive ever heard. ill agree with that.
still havent ever heard anyone better than pete van wieren. no one yet.
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
2:56 pm
I’ve seek a lot of concerts in my time…the absolute best as far as the show that was put on was the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (twice in the early 70s) Also memorables include Elton John, Paul McCartney (2002 or 2003), and Chicago in very early 70’s when the original group was still all together. You can laugh, but Johnny Mathis, Neal Sedaka, and the Moody Blues all put on great performances with the full NC symphony.
brian
January 23rd, 2012
2:57 pm
I love REM but maybe one of the more freaky concert moments was being second row REM and getting a close up look of Michael Stipe – he is freaky
brian
January 23rd, 2012
2:57 pm
surprisingly great concert – Don Henley at Chastain 1991
Hillbilly
January 23rd, 2012
2:58 pm
And in 1990, I was a 5′3″ 85 lb 6th Grader, so ranking concert moments wasn’t exactly my specialty back then.
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
2:59 pm
I believe Don Sutton thinks he’s Vin Scully…He’s not…but then, neither is anyone else.
Bat Masterson
January 23rd, 2012
2:59 pm
It was Sweet Emotion.
:thumbsup:
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
3:00 pm
Hillbilly – You need to change your name to Hillbilly young’un
raleighbravefan
January 23rd, 2012
3:02 pm
Saw Peter, Paul and Mary several times in the 60’s and 70’s…They put on a great show.
Hillbilly
January 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm
Roger Waters Perfect Sense had that same kind of epic crowd participation that stuck in my mind. Nowhere near the best song of the show, but without a doubt one of the most memorable, if that makes any sense at all.
abwright
January 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm
I’m still playing catch up on the CBA.
If Bourn has a fantastic season and leaves the Braves through FA, what draft pick compensation do the Braves get? Do they have to offer a contract first?
Lew
January 23rd, 2012
3:14 pm
Steven Tyler has definitely seen etter days, but since he bought a painting from me some years ago, he gets a pass from me. I’ve seen some pretty bad National Anthem renditions, including Joe Walsh and Glenn Frey both drunk on their respective asses while butchering it. Steven’s is jst another in the continuing series.