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Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
Joe is underappreciated for his play on the court, and he never said screw the fans. He did make an off the cuff comment that we don;t care if the fans show up. And that was after a tough loss. _ Disgusted
From now on you’ll have no identifying marks of any kind. You’ll not stand out in any way. Your entire image is crafted to leave no lasting memory with anyone you encounter. You’re a rumor, recognizable only as deja vu and dismissed just as quickly. You don’t exist; you were never even born.
AnonymityIso Joe is your name.jeffrey doo doo
January 22nd, 2012
12:47 pm
Braves blog not Cards blog, moot point.
So I can’t bring up anything about anything besides the Braves? Alright….
Well, you said middle-of-the-road was boring. I said that the
Cardinalswere middle-of-the-road last season and won the World Series. Can’t be that boring, eh?Lew
January 22nd, 2012
12:48 pm
Klaus = Rant on as if it will change things. And like I said -careful what you wish for – you might as easily end up with a Jeffrey Luria as a John Henry.
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
I would just like to know what are some of the changes he would like to see. Its easy to complain about something. We need new ownership. We need to spend more money. We need a new FO. Quite frankly all lame.
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
12:53 pm
Ranty Klaus
jeffrey doo doo
January 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
Ranty Klaus
That’s the best complaining nickname since B*tchell
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm
Thanks, jeffrey.
Partial credit to Lew.
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Bat – It just amazes me that there is such a level of griping, whining, moaning and groaning over soemthing none of us has any control of whatsoever – not to mention, the lack of understanding that money does not necessarily lead to all of the success people seem to believe it will.
Like I pointed out earlier – of the top ten spending franchises in MLB last year, ONE went past the first round of the playoffs and two others went one and out. Pretty pitiful for all the money we’re talkig about there.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
1:11 pm
Lew
I think were fine when it comes to payroll, but IMO there shouldn’t be a set in stone amount. For example this off-season we didn’t have much to work with. So is it too much to ask for the Owners to increase payroll by at least 3 million? Realizing just a small amount like that could really help Wren out. Also knowing we have so much coming off the books next season it makes a lot of sense.
I think the crazy owners that spend a ton of money are just to involved. They don’t let there baseball people do the job there paid to do to the fullest.
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Lew_
Some people just have to have something to bitch about, I guess. Must be in their DNA.
Klaus
January 22nd, 2012
1:13 pm
I would be happy just with less talking about what like and just produce. I would have blown the team up years ago b/c “just” missing the post season, trying to hang onto relevance one more season, was/is getting painful.
That said, have a design center that extends beyond pitching and whomever we can afford the line up behind said pitching. There is no balance to this team. What are they? Small ball, power, defensive minded? They dabble in all these areas and seem to react versus plan.
LF, CF, SS and until FF 1B have been revolving doors for donkey’s years. How a team expects to win with human bookmarks in those 3-4 spots is beyond me.
In 2008 Wren had money and a team full of holes. He should have blown it up then. With that staff and the odds of winning it all I would have kept my powder dry and rebuilt. That includes letting Chipper test the FA versus extending him.
But that is history…
I think they relay too much on scouts and don’t put enough emphasis on building a club that is statistically complementary.
They rely on people not getting hurt and bench players going for extended periods as starters or major cogs for the team.
Some of this is clearly on lack of payroll flexibility but a fair bit seems to be due to lacking a coherent plan and design center for this team. They don’t have a HR hitting middle of the line up guy so they get Uggla. But was Uggla a big RBI guy b/c they needed RBIs/clutch hitting more than solo HRs.
Were his stats with men on base or 2 outs with men on base appreciable better that what they had or was in the market? I don’t think so. But he is now making over 10mm a year in his 30s and we are stuck with him. I hope he demonstrates the ability drive in runs and hit with 2outs b/c if not that is going to be a painful contract.
You just don’t get a sense they even know the answers to those questions b/c they are old school. We needed a slugger, Uggla was affordable, done. We need an lead off hitter. Go get Bourne. Done.
They add pieces and they don’t work (Bourne hit less in ATL than in Houston, in fact most of his stats went down).
So to me (since I believe luck is when preparedness meets opportunity) its not bad luck its scouting & observational based decision with no Saber anywhere to be found.
I could be wrong but its maddening to see them add what they were missing in the previous year but then see the same poor end to the season YoY.
I just don’t believe they are looking at the team as an integrated whole with at least a smattering of statistical work and balance.
I am not saying they go full Moneyball but they need something beyond looking for quarters in the sofa for 1yr bench rentals and over paying for guys who don’t want to play here.
Saying you want an more athletic team or whatever is folly is you don’t have the approach to pull it off. You end up getting guys who on surface look to be the fix but underneath the numbers don’t add up when you apply them to the team.
So by way if Cleveland I am saying this team needs to do a 3 or 5yr plan. Make some tough and honest assessments about players and their shallow minor league system (beyond pitching and maybe one SS & Catcher)
If Chipper retires next year and Prado is so-so in 2012 coupled with the 90% chance Bourne is gone Wren will need a LF, CF, 3B and in all likelihood a SS. The odds he can secure all that with this payroll and what may be on the FA or trade market is slim.
Maybe they need to go young and blow up the team then. In some ways that is going to happen should all the above positions need to be filled. What I worry about is they will spend that money on surface guys but when they add them all together we are right back to the same results due to their approach.
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
You ever notice when you ask them to give a specific or an idea of a solution, they have a tendency to be quiet, change the subject or simply go away.
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
VaBravesFan – We just lost attendance this year and it has been fairly static of years now. Why should they boost payroll? Yeah, it would be nice if they would, but serriously, why should they?
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
1:16 pm
It could be worse,
the Braves could be owned by Bain Capitalmuch worse.kenhotlanta
January 22nd, 2012
1:17 pm
Lew;
Your 9:07 am comment was spot-on. Ain’t it the truth.
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:17 pm
Ho, exactly, would you have blown up the team when – as you yourself acknowledge – it has aready been a revolving door at SS, CF, 1B, LF?
And as to Wren blowing up the team in 08, how would he do that when he had money and spent it on a rotation that had been decimated by injuries and had three pretty average rookies heading the staff adter our only losing season in the past twenty years?
You’r running your mouth and griping like a champ, but you ain’t saying much that makes a damned bt of sense.
Tom O'Hawke
January 22nd, 2012
1:20 pm
You can piss up a rope for so long with excuses but it always drips back down in your face in the end. — Klaus
That is so cliche!
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:21 pm
Let’s see – blow up the team.
Freeman – one year. Heyward, two years, Uggla one year. Bourn – half a year. Gonzo – one and a half years, Beachy – one and a half years, MInor – parts of two years, Hanson – two and a half years, Medlen, two and a hlaf years with one injured.
So you would have dumped Hudson, Jurrjens, Chipper and McCann, right?
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
1:22 pm
Maybe they need to go young and blow up the team then. In some ways that is going to happen should all the above positions need to be filled. _ Klaus
The Braves are young, RK.
George
January 22nd, 2012
1:22 pm
RIP JO PA, You were a great coach and a great human being. PSU treated you very badly
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:22 pm
And Dude, if you actually [piss up ropes, Your And Idiot.
keylargo
January 22nd, 2012
1:25 pm
“Managing isn’t that difficult; you just have to score more runs than the other guy.”
Does anyone recognize that quote? Yes, it was Ted Turner just before he embarked on his 1 game Managerial Career with the Braves.
For most of his first decade as owner of the Braves, Turner was a very hands-on owner. He said, “Managing isn’t that difficult; you just have to score more runs than the other guy.” In 1977, he sent manager Dave Bristol on a “scouting trip” so Turner could manage the Braves; he ran the team for one game (a loss) before National League president Chub Feeney told him managers are forbidden to own financial interest in their club. In the mid-1980s Turner began leaving day-to-day operations to the baseball operations staff.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
1:26 pm
Lew
1st off were only talking about a few extra million. We have a ton of money coming off the books after the season. They can always adjust it going forward. Why would they ever expect attendance to go back up? The team just blew a huge playoff lead and had a horrible ending to such a promising year. Then the off-season comes the fan base is expecting some changes and improvements and they’ve done very little. How does that bring more fans? Now my main complaint is not the payroll itself but how we set it in concrete every season. After the way we finished they should have given Wren a little more flexibility for possible moves. Wren’s done a great job what what’s he given.
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
1:28 pm
@Klaus, This is one of the youngest teams in baseball. Period. That is not opinion that is fact. So to blow the team up and go young is not a valid statement. You keep talking in general. IF You have the answers how about sharing some of those expert moves you would make.
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:30 pm
VaBraves – Seriously Dude, would three million have gotten a better shorttop and back up than Pastornicky and Wislon> Would three million have gotten us a better LFer?
Seems to me that three mil just isn’t enough to have made much of a difference in the scheme of things and spendng money in anticipation of more next year is just not a good way to do business.
Ask the Marlins aboubt backloading in a couple of years and see how that turns out.
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
1:30 pm
Gidget
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:32 pm
Hoinestly, the best way and quite possiblythe ONLY way to get payroll bosted, is togo to the games. Period.
If attendance radically improves and they don’t raise payroll, THEN you have a bona fide reason to gripe. Until then, a several hundred thousand drop in attendance – for whatever the reason (personally, I think a lot of it is economic), ain’t gonna get you a rasie.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
1:33 pm
Think about it, we only spent 2 mil this whole offseason. Yeah I think 3 extra million would have given Wren alot more options.
cabravesfan
January 22nd, 2012
1:33 pm
GO NINERS!!!
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:36 pm
VaBraves – No, I don’t think it would have made much difference at all – if any. You still wouldn’t have gotten that great a player for $5 mil – you might have gotten either a decent Shortstop or a decent LFer and would STILL have had at least two positions you needed to fill and no money at all to get them..
Disgusted
January 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
For gods sake Bat, you do not have to make the attacks personal.
You disagree with me on Joe Johsnson and the ATL Spirit. Big deal. Leave it at that.
Good posts Klaus on Liberty Media, truth is that most fans are on that side than Liberty apologists like Lew and a few others.
And Lew, ranting on how wonderful Liberty is is not going to change other people’s minds in them so in essence, YOU have no control as to what others want to post. HA HA!!!!
George
January 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
cab got to disagree today. would like to see a upset, GO GIANTS
Patio Daddio
January 22nd, 2012
1:38 pm
I have read a whole lotta negative comments on the Braves all over the internet. What you are about to read will not set well or is it sit well with some? Put down the Valium bottle
89-73 Braves – Missed Playoffs because of one month, an end of season team slump, and too many extra inning games and too many one run losses
* Only 4 teams won more games out of 29 other teams than did the Braves
Team Positives for 2012
Removed 17 team losses from Roster trading Lowe and the upside will be the difference in his 17 losses vs. his replacement losses. How many team games will his replacement lose? Add those non losses into the Win column
Uggla will be make a greater contribution in first 3 months of season because it is impossible for him not to. Nobody can be as bad as Uggla was last year early on, not even Uggla himself.
Heyward will make more contributions in 2012 or be gone and his replacement will
Pastornicky will contribute more than AGon did in 2011 or he will be gone and his replacement will
If JJ and Hanson have injury concerns they have more experienced, mature, talented young pitchers in the wings waiting to be more helpful, if needed, than they were in 2011
Bullpen will be deeper with the addition of Medlen, at some point Moylan will become a factor once healthy and the bullpen will improve with the subtraction of Proctor. Linebrink was ok, but I believe Medlen will be more consistent.
Having Bourn for the first 3 months should help
Prado will be back healthy and at full strength. Chances of another Staph infection are very slim
Freeman is the real deal and is just too fundamentally sound and has fewer adjustments because he sprays the ball everywhere and because he goes with the pitch and because he hits it where the ball is pitched. I don’t see a sophomore slump.
Mac is Mac and like 2011 only injury will bring down his production. Enter David Ross
Chipper is the wild card and I see a productive season with proper body management from himself and the Braves medical team as to when he sits vs plays. We might see a lot of late inning heroics off the bench, in 2012, from Chipper
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:38 pm
Disgusted and Klaus – Two of the Clueless multitude. At least they have a lot of company.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
1:40 pm
Lew
I’m not griping about the payroll. The owners set our budget and there’s no wiggle room. We would lose out on a good signing over a few hundred thousands probably. I bet Wren could go to LM and say there’s mutual interest with a certain player and we only have to match his best offer. He would be a great addition to our team and clubhouse. We offered all remaining funds and were less than a million from matching. Liberty would say “oh well, not enough fans at games” ?
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:41 pm
And where did you hear me say Liberty Media was wonderful, Oh Uninformed One? What I DIDsay (had you the reading comprehension to understand) was that there was no way we could change what they spend (other than attending games which you find Unacceptable, apparently), so there was nothing tobe gained with consistent and constant bitching – some thing you ARE good at.
Aren’t you gald you have a talent? Too bad it isn’t marketable. If it was, you could donate the money you made to the Braves payroll or buy the team and then spend it on salaries.
cabravesfan
January 22nd, 2012
1:41 pm
George-
Not sure it would be an upset. Teams are pretty evenly matched. Should be a good one.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
1:43 pm
We were probably just a few million apart from Cody Ross, I’m sure Wren had tons of trade talks, but a lot of them didn’t work cause we wanted every team to pay some of the players salary we would be receiving.
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:43 pm
VaBraves – And how do you know that wasn’t done – or for that matter, that it is possible for Wren to do so.
It is what it is and we have the team we have. Period. Consisten speculation ain’t changing anything.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
1:45 pm
I wanna see a Raven vs 49ers Superbowl. I wanna see a hard hitting Defensive battle to the end.
George
January 22nd, 2012
1:46 pm
Yup cab. I do think it will be a good one, but not sure i want a close ending like last weeks SF game, My heart might not stand it.
Disgusted
January 22nd, 2012
1:48 pm
Lew, you are a Liberty Media apologist and cannot stand it if someone just dares to post something contrary to what you think.
I have zero tolerance for people like you, and you are not bullying me off this board.
cabravesfan
January 22nd, 2012
1:50 pm
George-
Mine either.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
1:50 pm
Lew
I like the team we have, Good Rotation, the best bullpen, solid lineup (great one if everyone stays healthy or rebounds) weak bench. If any serious injuries happen that could be enough to keep us outta playoffs. My Worst nightmare’s for the team is depending on Diaz/Constanza a ton. Or Pastornicky not being ready. Good to know atleast we can afford to have bullpen or rotation injuries cause there’s plenty of depth there.
McFann O O o
January 22nd, 2012
1:51 pm
Patio Daddio Mac is Mac and like 2011 only injury will bring down his production.
Not “will”—could!…We’re not saying he will get injured—just that he could…
But he’s gonna have a(nother) good year!
George
January 22nd, 2012
1:52 pm
Disgusted 1:48
Lew has one of the very best baseball minds on the blog and i have seen him apoloize for Liberty Media.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
1:52 pm
Imagine if Prado was to have a serious injury.. You still have Chipper who is gonna miss alot of time. Be alot of nights with Jack Wilson and Matty Diaz in the lineup.
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:53 pm
Disgusted – How can I be an apologist of a company I have nothing whatsoever to do with – no them or their spending habits. I’m a fan and I have to either watch or not watch the team they field. You either deal with it or you don’t.
If you can’t understand this then you’re even dumber than you appear to be. And Dude, that’s pretty freaking stupid. Must have some kind of Don Quixote complex or something – you can’t seem to realize that railing at that which you have no hope of changing is about as productive as beating oj windmills. Maybe you’re just blind?
McFann O O o
January 22nd, 2012
1:53 pm
you…cannot stand it if someone just dares to post something contrary to what you think.
Takes one to know one. And who isn’t like that, anyway?…
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:54 pm
Certainly myopic in the extreme. Maybe you ned glasses? Maybe you need to give up caffeine?
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
1:54 pm
PD, yep.. shame on you. You make too much sense. How dare you not throw out gloom and doom. This team is going to finish with 75 wins and so far behind everyone. Quit making sense.
George
January 22nd, 2012
1:54 pm
OPPS forgot the word “never” should have read “never seen him apoloize “
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:57 pm
Seems to me that the only thing anyone can apologize for is their own actions (or lack therof). Since I have nothing to do with Liberty Media’s – or the Frnot Offices decision making pocesses, I have nothing to apologize for.
Tom O'Hawke
January 22nd, 2012
1:57 pm
Good morning, LAdy!
Today it’s my turn to host the games. That means that I’ll be able to keep an eye on you & Jim, in case you need someone to break up the fight.
I don’t bet, but if I did I’d take the Ravens(+7.5) and the 49ers(-2.5).
That doesn’t mean that’s how I’m rooting, though.
Lew
January 22nd, 2012
1:59 pm
Well, time to go do other stuff. I’m certain that when I check in later, I will see a couple pages of Disgusting posts railing about things he can’t control and still not seeing how ridiculous it is to do so. Later. Have fun.
George
January 22nd, 2012
1:59 pm
Ray 1:54
A little less gloom and doom. I see about 84 wins for us this comming year.
McFann O O o
January 22nd, 2012
1:59 pm
Lew Maybe you need to give up caffeine?
Probably a good idea…
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
2:00 pm
2012 Projections Hopefully they all produce close to these numbers.
Bourn 280/345/350 50+ SB
Heyward 270/360/460 20-25 HR 15 SB
Chipper 285/355/445 15 HR
Uggla 255/340/485 30-35 HR
McCann 290/360/470 25-30 HR
Prado 290/340/440 15 HR
Freeman 285/335/460 20-25 HR
Pastornicky 260/330/350 15-20 SB
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
2:04 pm
Va most teams do face those situations. this is a big if, but lets take the Phils. What if Howard’s injury occurred much earlier. Yes they would have had to go out there and get someone. What are the Nat’s going to do if Werth goes down for a long period of time. Every team has injury holes. Our biggest hole would be at 3rd IF Chipper goes down for a long period of time. It would be a trickle effect.
Patio Daddio
January 22nd, 2012
2:05 pm
Injuries are just as much as a part of Baseball as are Hot Dogs, Beer, Umpires, Hits and Outs. Injuries will happen at anytime to any player, but according to countless GM’s, over time, who have addressed this topic in the media, they dont build their rosters because a player may get injured.
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
2:11 pm
George, I agree to a certain extent. I think we can pretty much count on 84 wins. Now here will be the difference on how many above that we will get. A little luck, yes that does play into the game. 1 more key hit, 1 less blown save. 1 more complete game. Just one less player slumping. One more key move by Fredi G and one more key decision by the 3rd base coach, whether to send the runner or not. The point is, that is the fine fine line of winning 84 wins and 90-92 wins.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
2:16 pm
Oh I understand that, I’m just not confident in our backups. I figured Wren would have improved the bench. What we do know is Prado is gonna play at least 30 games at 3rd base, most likely more. We know that Diaz’s numbers declined the past 2 years and Hinske is coming off a bad season. Wilson is good with the glove but is basically a pitcher at the plate.
David O'Brien
January 22nd, 2012
2:17 pm
Do you think Luis Durango has a good chance to win a roster spot in ST? — VaBravesFan
As the roster current stands, barring any more significant additions, he certainly has a shot at extra-OF spot.
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
2:18 pm
I know many believe there is little chance of the Braves being able to sign Bourn to an extension mainly because of Boras. Based on a couple of things, IF they do, I would not want to see the Braves go more than 4 maybe 5 yrs at the most. So another words around the 44-56m range. Once you get past 4 or even entering that 5th yr plus with a player like Bourn is their effectiveness will start to go down. Bourn with the type of player he is, as he gets older, his effectiveness will go down quickly. He doesn’t have the power to extend a few more years on his productive play.
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
2:21 pm
I believe the braves will fill the final bench spot in spring training. Whether its Sutton or one of the minor leaguers that has a strong st.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
2:21 pm
DOB
Looking at Durango’s minor league numbers, I mean wow, there really good. I really hope the guy wins the job and makes a impact for us. I think he could easily do better than Constanza.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
2:23 pm
For a speedster with zero power to compile a 400+ OBP that’s something special IMO.
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
2:23 pm
For gods sake Bat, you do not have to make the attacks personal. _ Disgusted
I have no idea what you mean by that. I’m making fun of Joe Johnson. Are you Joe J or a friend of his?
phil
January 22nd, 2012
2:23 pm
Query…
How fat are Hinske and McCann at present?
Any sightings?
phil
January 22nd, 2012
2:25 pm
I hear Hanson is finally healthy.
Any word on JJ?
cabravesfan
January 22nd, 2012
2:25 pm
Tom-
Not rooting for the NINERS? Does that mean you want the Giants to win?? I’m wounded…
Tom O'Hawke
January 22nd, 2012
2:35 pm
cabravesfan
I’m saying that I’m not saying.
Patio Daddio
January 22nd, 2012
2:37 pm
Juan Pierre, almost a perfect clone to Bourn, got a 5 yr $44M deal at age 29, which averaged $8.8M per year, and that was 6 years ago.
Pierre had 4 two hundred hit season and one season with 196 hits. Pierre was a base stealing machine leadoff hitter. His only drawback was he was not a top CF’er and he had a weak arm.
Bourn has yet to get close to 200 hits in a season and let us hope this is the season he does.
I ready to let Bourn walk, get the picks and find a fast CF’er that can also drive the ball. More than two long balls per year from a Braves CF’er would blow my skirt up.
Bourn is a career .336 OBP guy
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
2:37 pm
For today’s playoff games, I don’t have a dog in the fight. I just want both games to come down how last week’s 49ers/Saints game did last week. Down to the wire.
Powderfinger
January 22nd, 2012
2:38 pm
I guess the only strong feelings I have about the remaining NFL teams boils down to my absolute hatred for Ray Lewis. He witnessed a murder, covered up the evidence, and a killer got away because of his stonewalling. The only reason he wasn’t punished more severely was due to an incompetent District Attorney. And when I hear him stand there spouting religious platitudes, all I can hope is that Karma somehow crushes his hypocritical arse…
Tom O'Hawke
January 22nd, 2012
2:41 pm
For gods sake Bat, you do not have to make the attacks personal. _ Disgusted
I have no idea what you mean by that. I’m making fun of Joe Johnson. Are you Joe J or a friend of his? — Bat Masterson
I think, Disgusted, is also, Klaus. Maybe he’s Joe J too.
Patio Daddio
January 22nd, 2012
2:45 pm
I don’t think he deserves a contract similar to the $8.8M average, 5 year, 6 year old contract Pierre got since he has accomplished so little compared to Pierre. Boras will drive the bidding so high I hope Wren passes and gies in another direction, regardless of what the 2012 Bourn does.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
2:48 pm
Pattio Daddio
Luis Durango could be a late bloomer? If he just gets a chance to play more maybe.
Durango is 25 years old 5′9 155 lbs. Switch Hitter. All Star Minor League Player in 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 Future’s Game Selection in 2009
Looks like a very speedy Outfielder with ZERO power. Awesome Minor League Player. Check out the stats. Very Very Good. Guess he couldn’t tanslate it to the Major’s but hasn’t been given much of a opportunity. Your Ideal Leadoff man.
2590 Career Minor League PA’s 312/403/361/764 Line 3HR 318BB 306K 175SB 85CS 52 Bunt Hits
65 Career MLB ABs 292/361/292 0HR 7BB 10K 7SB 1CS
cabravesfan
January 22nd, 2012
2:48 pm
Is Tom Brady the single most smug looking athlete in sports?
cabravesfan
January 22nd, 2012
2:49 pm
Tom-
I will make it easy- be a NINERS fan today or I won’t talk to you anymore
jeffrey doo doo
January 22nd, 2012
2:51 pm
I don’t think Brady’s smug
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
2:53 pm
PD, I am guessing Boras is going to try and get somewhere between 10-12m a yr. Push it up that high. A couple of things we have to look at if Bourn is not signed to a feasible extension, what are the other options out there. IF we could get him for lets say 4 yrs at a MAX of 30m then yeah. But IMO that would be the max I would like to see the Braves go with Bourn. A 3 yr extension around 22m, then that would lock up Bourn for a total of 4 yrs including this year.
Patio Daddio
January 22nd, 2012
2:54 pm
VaBravesFan he looks good on paper and there could be the late bloomer factor in place.
cabravesfan
January 22nd, 2012
2:54 pm
Didn’t say he necessarily WAS smug- just that he looked that way.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
2:57 pm
DOB
Do you know if Wren and Bourn/Boras had any kind of talks about a contract instead of 1 year agreement of 6.7 mil?
David O'Brien
January 22nd, 2012
2:59 pm
VaBravesFan: Boras is busy with the Fielder situation and other matters, I’m sure. My best guess (haven’t been told specifically) is they probably said, let’s get this one-year arbitration matter settled now, then we’ll begin to discuss possible extension later. In the event they are able to agree to an extension, it could always supersede the 1-yr arb deal, so there’s no reason not to get that arb deal done now and at least assure you’ve got that taken care of and won’t need a hearing in February.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
2:59 pm
Or do they usually agree to the 1 year deal then talk about a contract?
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
2:59 pm
Don’t have a problem with Brady, can’t abide Ray Lewis…….. Go Pats!
Patio Daddio
January 22nd, 2012
3:00 pm
Yeah Ray I see that. I’m more on the cautious side with his contract. If Bourn has a down year do the Braves sign him long term with the hope he improves and is worth the contract, because the only way I see other teams not on him is if he has a bad year? On the other hand if Bourn has a splendud season Boras will price him, and get it, way out of the Braves budget
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
3:00 pm
Oh ok gotcha.
David O'Brien
January 22nd, 2012
3:01 pm
A 3 yr extension around 22m, then that would lock up Bourn for a total of 4 yrs including this year. — Ray
Three years, $22 million? No way, no how.
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
3:01 pm
Could be, Tom O’.
Klaus, Earl, Lou, Aussie Brave………
Venice Jim
January 22nd, 2012
3:03 pm
Surprised Fox wouldn’t want Steven Tyler doing the anthem on their game…
David O'Brien
January 22nd, 2012
3:03 pm
I will boycott MLB for at least part of season to protest them giving Ryan Braun MVP in spite of positive drug test. No integrity! — South Georgia
The Baseball Writers Association of America is solely responsible for voting Braun the MVP, and only the BBWAA can take that award back from him. So what, exactly, are you aiming to accomplish by boycotting MLB, which has no say in our BBWAA awards?
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
3:05 pm
DOB, I agree, IT was more wishful thinking. I would not like to see the Braves go above 30m for 4 yrs or the 22m for 3 yrs. I could see Boras asking between 10-12m per year.
Patio Daddio
January 22nd, 2012
3:06 pm
I guess the writers lose a reader instead. Take that BBWAA he says!!!
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
3:06 pm
4 year 40 mil would be my max for Bourn.
Bat Masterson
January 22nd, 2012
3:07 pm
cabravesfan
January 22nd, 2012
2:48 pm
Is Tom Brady the single most smug looking athlete in sports?
Does Barry Bonds no longer count?
Ray
January 22nd, 2012
3:08 pm
I also have the same wishful thinking that by some chance that Braun is cleared of any positive testing. The two are probably equal chances.
VaBravesFan
January 22nd, 2012
3:08 pm
Only way I’d offer more than 10 mil a season is if its a 2 year deal. With so much money coming off the books you have to figure the Braves will be spenders next offseason. We’ll end up spending 10+ mil a season on someone most likely.