6:06 am January 17, 2012, by David O'Brien
January 21st, 20126:33 pm
breaking news, apparently Joe Paterno is on his death bed. His moments remaining are very limited. Despite the recent situation, he has served Penn State and overall college football in a high manner
At first I believed those trade rumors,and was the few that were dumb,but I see how silly the Seth,and Jones rumors were now,so in a way I was gullable.
I don’t like UGA’s grey home unis.
It also looks like UGA’s got their own Zaza Pachulia
I got a very rare opportunity to watch a Bulldog Basketball game. Unfortunately I didn’t realize I was pulling for Ole Miss most of the first half in their bright red uniforms. Ga was in some puppy poop looking light brown unis. They must have lost a bet or something to be in something that ugly.
jeffrey doo doo
Another…….one bites the dust
January 21st, 20126:36 pm
nolie-Had it right last night. It was clear Wren,never had any plans on doing any of the trades,unless a good offer came along that was like, so amazing that Wren ,wouldn’t turn it down himself.
….that was in reference to the string of anothers, not JoePa
Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 21st, 20126:47 pm
I am glad you explained that,doo doo.
January 21st, 20126:52 pm
At first I believed those trade rumors,and was the few that were dumb,but I see how silly the Seth,and Jones rumors were now,so in a way I was gullable. — Ward
The problem isn’t believing trade rumors, Ward. The problem is that you treat every rumor, regardless of the source, as if it’s a done deal. By now you should know, as most do, that trade discussions happen constantly, and just because one of those discussions gets leaked it doesn’t make it any more or less likely that it will happen.
If you’d not jump to conclusions and get so excited about every rumor, every trade discussion, you wouldn’t be on such an emotional rollercoaster all winter.
January 21st, 20126:55 pm
Enjoyed the first half of the ND vs. Syracuse game. Seeing Syracuse show they’re not perfect is just as enjoyable as watching the Yankees lose. (and yes this is coming from a NYer who isn’t a fan of teams just because I live the state the team is from)
January 21st, 20126:57 pm
DOB-Exactly true! I’m trying to mellow down myself,and not jump at everything I read. I do have a way of getting excited……Now I jusst rea,and take it as that.
Meant to say just read,and take it as that.
January 21st, 20126:58 pm
“Liberty and the ATL FO just want to get by and win if things break right.”
Klaus–I do think the FO wants to do its best to win. We do have some good baseball people in there.
But, the invisible Liberty, well, you never hear anything from them. And they have the cash, but with it being corporately run, they are not going out on a limb to do what Texas and LAA are doing beacuse corporations are not run that way. They answer to their stockholders first.
Liberty bought the team for the purpose of legally avoiding capital gains taxes in a complex transaction. There is no relationship to this community or the fans of baseball.
Why they hold the team after the holding period is over is anyone’s guess. I am sure the Braves are an assett to them some way or another. Corporate management people are not dumb.
Of course, as some say, just deal with it .
It was not that many yrs ago the Braves were a 3 million drawing team. and had there been no work stoppage in 94 and 95, the Braves would have had a stretch of 3 mil plus from 92 thru 2000.
Guess I can live with thosememories of the good old days before Ted lost his boardroom battle with AOL. Because we might be stuck with Liberty for some time who knows.
To me I can accept a 100 loss team that I know stinks than a mid 80’s win type of team, especially one that falls off the cliff at the end.
On a somber note, sad about Joe Paterno, he served Penn State well for a long time and for most of what we know did things the right way most of the time.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 21st, 20127:04 pm
You Put Ward on Blast with that post…And I’m Taking Wards Advice about not getting Jumping on trade discussions/rumors….
January 21st, 20127:08 pm
Co-Sign on your Bashing of Liberty Media…Most People who are Disgusted with them are the ones who Pay 300 Bucks to take their Families to games and find out that L. Media is too cheap to invest in the team…but at the same time these people including myself (And I’m Single) got Spoiled during the Ted Turner days…
January 21st, 20127:10 pm
At least you guy’s know that I will admit when I’m wrong,and I read things more now,than just jumping on the trade rumors band wagons……..
Mountain Braves Fan
January 21st, 20127:16 pm
Will Chipper (4/24/72), who will turn 40 less than one month into the regular season, be the oldest starting position player in Major League Baseball in 2012?
Todd Helton (8/20/73) won’t turn 39 until August. Ichiro (10/22/73) won’t turn 39 until after Seattle’s 2012 season has ended. Derek Jeter (6/26/74) is a relative pup. He won’t turn 38 until close to the All Star Break.
Raul Ibanez (6/2/72) is a little more than a month younger than Chipper. He is still a free agent, and his days as a starting position player are likely over. Jim Thome (8/27/70) will turn 42 in August, but he hasn’t been a starting position player in some time.
January 21st, 20127:25 pm
Tomahawkin—I actually enjoyed the Braves more in the late 1980’s than I do now.
I knew they were not going to win but for $8 bucks in the good seats, $4 bucks in the cheap seats, just went to the game and had a great time.
And, I always felt that Bobby Cox was on to building something (remember he was the GM who stubbornly refused to part with Glavine, Gant, Blauser, etc and gave up a still good 37 yr old Doyle Alexander for a then obscure John Smoltz who had a 5 ERA is the low minors.
Big deal, Bobby knew what he was getting in Smoltzie. JS came in and finished off the building of the team while Bobby went back to the dugout and the rest is history.
I had a hunch that the Braves would keep the players they needed and up till the Milwood deal, they always kept who they needed and would go for a FA from time to time.
They were run the way the Phillies are run now. And we won.
Of course part of why I don’t enjoy it the way I used to is the economics of major league sports just stink for the customer. The game was more fun up through the 90’s and part of mid 2000’s but there is too much that has changed in the game.
These sabermetric stats have gotten my head spinning though one good thing from sabermetrics is that OBP is paid attention to. I was saying that it should be paid attention to in the early 70’s when I was a kid.
January 21st, 20127:34 pm
The sox and the rox finalized the deal with Scutaro. Redsox got right hander Clayton Mortensen in return.
January 21st, 20127:35 pm
So Chipper will turn 40 shortly after the beginning of the 2012 season. Can anyone that age be a productive major league baseball player, both offensively and defensively? I can think of at least one player who was.
The year Willie Mays (5/6/1931) turned 40 was 1971, his last full season with the San Francisco Giants. That season, Mays appeared in 136 games, playing 84 games in center field and 48 games at first base (4 games pinch hit). He scored 82 runs, hit 24 doubles, 5 triples, and 18 home runs, with 61 RBIs and a .271 batting average.
Amazingly, at 40, he stole 23 bases and was caught stealing only 3 times! Mays walked 112 times that season, which greatly contributed to his .425 OBP and .907 OPS. His OPS+ was 158, and his WAR was 6.5.
Mays tried to hang on for two more seasons after 1971, and in his last season with the Mets in 1973 (at age 42) he had a .647 OPS in limited playing time. I guess the lesson to be learned is that, eventually, the end comes for even the greatest of players. But the season Mays had in 1971 was very, very special.
January 21st, 20127:59 pm
The Red Sox are another team that has had a strange off season and they are dumpsta diving for retreads.
The only decent move they made was to get Bailey from Oakland and Melancon from the Astros.
Scutaro for Mortensen is a joke. They are salary dumping. Stange but true.
January 21st, 20128:00 pm
PERTH HEAT – regular season finale tomorrow.
1B MATT KENNELLY [.298 BA] 1-3.
Perth wins, sending the league into a four-way tie for three play-off slots with one game to play.
The question on Scutaro is his age? Good solid player,but can he keep up the solid numbers for the Rockies.I liked Scutaro until his age came up more,but he does have good “D”,and solid numbers.
January 21st, 20128:03 pm
Hank Aaron did not have a bad yr in 1974 at 40, hit 20 HRs and had 68 RBIs in his last yr as a Brave.
He had some of his prime HR and RBI yrs in his late 30’s maybe the best 35 to 39 yr old guy who played. Look at his numbers from 1969 to 73.
Sort of too bad he finished as a DH with the Brewers but if I were Henry I would have taken the 200 K to hang on a couple more yrs. Those guys did not make much in the early parts of their careers.
So disgusted, what would you think of a high school soph with a season and playoff OBP mark of .779?
January 21st, 20128:04 pm
Ward—Scutaro should have at least one more good yr left even at his age (36).
Boston is going to have Nick Punto at sort—–as an everyday player ouch.
January 21st, 20128:06 pm
You Make Good Points About Sports and Todays Economical Climate with Agents, media, etc…
Had Gant, Justice 4 All, Avery, Smoltz, Mercker, Wohlers, The Glavinator , The Kleskomaniac, Javy Lopez…Had been on the braves roster in todays sports ragime with Nasty contracts from agents we would not have been able to afford 1/2 of them…What a difference 20 years makes
Case In Point if Deion would’ve came out today as a two sport Athlete, He’d Get twice the Press as The Lyin King (Leboring James) gets…
But Then again…I think agents prevent athletes on playing 2 sports for injury/monetary reasons….
Disgusted, are you a heavy drinker?
January 21st, 20128:08 pm
We will see,because age does have an affect on numbers around 36 years old.He should do alright though playing in that line-up.
“So disgusted, what would you think of a high school soph with a season and playoff OBP mark of .779?”
Good question Rich Brave. I would say that the kid needs to finsh school first and get good grades and maybe position himself for a scholarship unless he is playing in a top program and can be a first round pick getting first round money.
And the kid should put his bonus away and forget about it till he is 35. Good advice, hey.
January 21st, 20128:10 pm
[The Red Sox are another team that has had a strange off season and they are dumpsta diving for retreads.
The only decent move they made was to get Bailey from Oakland and Melancon from the Astros. ]
“Scutaro for Mortensen is a joke. They are salary dumping. Stange but true.”
Word on The Streets is that The Dead Sox Are gonna use that money from Scutaro to use on Signing “The Wizard” (Oswalt)…According to the Phillies Forum not Todd Zolecki who knows his 411 regarding the Phillies
You don’t sound so disgusted to me, disgusted. You sound like someone with a level head on their shoulders.
January 21st, 20128:11 pm
Tomahawkin–I don’t think that the teams would allow an athete like Deion or Bo and even Brian Jordan to play two pro sports anymore.
The teams have to protect their interests. Especially the baseball teams–look at what happened to Bo in just one play in a playoff game, tore up his hip and he was pretty much done.
I am glad that I remember those fun days. It is not as good as it used to be.
Dr Johnny Fever
January 21st, 20128:12 pm
whatever his intake, he’s disgusting
Syracuse lost. I have a grin on my face heh.
And, Syracuse goes down. Somewhere in NY, Kat celebrates.
January 21st, 20128:13 pm
January 21st, 20128:14 pm
Oh and Peep This!
If Bora_sshole tells The Bourne Identity to Sell out and take the money from another team and leave next offseason…I’m gonna start lusting for Shane Victorino….
If The Phils Lock up King Cole Hamels (Which may not happen) then Ruben Amaro Jr will have no money left to sign Victorino long term
What happened to Duke?Tough game to lose.
January 21st, 20128:15 pm
Rich Brave–which high school soph are you talking about?
Another piece of advice I would tell the kid is to stay away from booze till he is 21, don’t smoke the wacky weed and if you do drink at a legal age, get a cab, its cheaper to pay a cab fare than get caught and maybe killing your self and someone else.
Of course that kid of advice I would give to any kid. Athlete of not.
Soph – you see the Hawks’ halftime show?
January 21st, 20128:16 pm
Duke lost?! Somewhere in Atlanta, I celebrate. Woohoo.
Whats Happening Chief!
Dang, I’m totally out of it today. I didn’t even know the Hawks were playing today. What was the halftime show, doo doo?
January 21st, 20128:17 pm
“Another piece of advice I would tell the kid is to stay away from booze till he is 21, don’t smoke the wacky weed and if you do drink at a legal age, get a cab, its cheaper to pay a cab fare than get caught and maybe killing your self and someone else.”
Thats Easier Said Than Done, Especially In SEC Country!
January 21st, 20128:18 pm
If Bora_sshole tells The Bourne Identity to Sell out and take the money from another team and leave next offseason Tomahawkin
what an incredibly stupid comment. players play for money dude, it’s not selling out to want more, he has absolutely no ties to Atlanta or reason to take less to stay here. freakin’ moron
Hi T’hawkin. Nothing much, just doing some baking since I’m bored. Glad jd mentioned the Hawks game.
January 21st, 20128:19 pm
It was a bunch of Powerballs dancing on the court from a distant aerial view. I think I would’ve rather watched commercials
January 21st, 20128:20 pm
Tomahawkin–You know that Borass is going to advise his guy to take care of numero uno and second and to H with everyone else.
As for Boston going for Oswalt, well, that has been talked about but with Cherington in charge who knows if he is taking the cheap way out of a bunch of quantity (Carlos Silva, Aaron Cook and Vincente Padilla for gods sake) and hoping that one will work.
Hey, Mortenson did start 6 game in 11.
The Boston media is losing patience with Ben & Cheri and so are some of the internet fans. It will be a short honeymoon for Ben & Cheri and By Bloddy Valentine if things go sour up there. I am familiar with up there, patience is not a virtue Boston fans have.
January 21st, 20128:22 pm
I’m Getting Tuned up for the bar…
But I have Been Bored all day as well watching Movies, Playing Madden…
Who Are You Banking on to represent the Stuper Bowl…
Nasty Storms Today…? And Don’t you have to travel in the traffic from those stoopid HOT lanes?
January 21st, 20128:24 pm
They did some sort of Waffle House halftime show at the Falcons/Eagles game I went to this season. I really didn’t understand it.
January 21st, 20128:25 pm
Waffle House catered a meeting a couple weeks ago. I didn’t really understand that either
January 21st, 20128:26 pm
Yup, really loud storms in the morning. I was playing v’ball indoors but I could hear the pitter pattering on the gym roof. No work today so luckily no commute because yesterday was awful.
49ers/Patriots Super Bowl, imo.
January 21st, 20128:29 pm
The Cavs are playing like the Friday Hawks
AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
RT @MLB_PR: Jose Reyes & Craig Kimbrel at #BBWAA dinner: http://t.co/jEtyci56
January 21st, 20128:30 pm
Did UGA win today? Watched their game for like two seconds earlier.
“The Boston media is losing patience with Ben & Cheri and so are some of the internet fans. It will be a short honeymoon for Ben & Cheri and By Bloddy Valentine if things go sour up there. I am familiar with up there, patience is not a virtue Boston fans have.”
Their Sports Teams/Fans Have How Many Championships Since 2001? Like 5 or 6?
Now That is Disgusting! Thats Why I have So Little Patience with our teams in Big Games, All Atl Sports Teams Flop in Big games!
January 21st, 20128:31 pm
Wow, that must be a fancy dinner. Kimbrel looks nice in his tux.
uhhhh….no. Lost by 3
January 21st, 20128:35 pm
And how many before that? Pre-2001 the Boston teams stunk….for a long time. Sports teams are cyclical.
You sould be a Bobcats fan.
January 21st, 20128:36 pm
It’ll come full circle, CB. The Bobcats will be good someday.
January 21st, 20128:37 pm
Tomahawkin–Actually they have 7, 3 with the Patriots 2 with the Red Sox and one each for the Bruins and Celtics.
34 in all if you include the 1914 Boston Braves.
BTW, did you see the story where Sanders Commingsthe UGA CB got busted for domestic violence. Not good.
Hey its been 30 yrs since the Dawgs have been a real primiere contender for a National Championship. You have to go to the Herrschel days.
UGA is usually pretty good but not the elite program some UGA fans want to make them out to be. ,
This Hawks team is intriguing but the Horford injury hurts.
I would be accepingt an ownership group for the Bravessomewhat like the way the ATL Spirit has run the Hawks (minus Belkin of course.) Sorry Thrasher fans but they have not been bad stewards of the basketball operation.
And this is comming from someone who loved the Thrashers.
Of course as some say, I have no say in it so my words do not matter.
But then the season will probably be cancelled
January 21st, 20128:38 pm
We Get A lot of Cloud To Ground Lightning Here In Loganville, So It woke me up this morning!
I want to Move To Duluth, So I can be Closer To Wild Bills…But I dont think I can handle the commute to Stone Mountain for work…
And I’m Taking it to Vegas that it will be the 49ers and The Patriots in The Stuper Bowl…Watch!
January 21st, 20128:39 pm
Soph,still kind of fun to watch with some young players.
jeffery doo doo—Alot of those pre 2001 Celtics teams did not stink and the Red Sox did get to the series from time to time but would lose in 7.
They generally had fairly competitive teams but not a championship run like this.
I hope Brady gets his 4th ring.
January 21st, 20128:43 pm
and the Red Sox did get to the series from time to time but would lose in 7.
Before 2004, the last time they were in the Series was 1986. And before that 1975.
January 21st, 20128:45 pm
CB – Kemba’s pretty good from what I’ve seen and always been a fan of Augustin. They’ll be playoff bound sooner or later.
January 21st, 20128:47 pm
I think Disgusted has his own private universe where things happen as he sees them not necessarily as they really did
January 21st, 20128:48 pm
Yes, the Celtics did stink pre-2001 for some time. Horribly and like 7 seasons in a row.
January 21st, 20128:52 pm
All have a good one! Talk tomorrow after the Giants,and 49ers game. Going to try ,and take my mind off the game tonight.All be cool,and peace……….It’s all out on the field,and Hope for a Giants victory………
Thanks Soph…I chose the Red Sox path of that argument
January 21st, 20128:53 pm
Joe Paterno just died at age 85
January 21st, 20128:58 pm
RIP Joe Paterno
January 21st, 20129:00 pm
jeffrey – I don’t think factual information is his strong suit.
January 21st, 20129:04 pm
Disgusted – what’s the cosine of a million?
January 21st, 20129:06 pm
jaydoo — “Before 2004, the last time they were in the Series was 1986. And before that 1975″
And before that is was 1967. Before that it was 1946.
Three WS in a 20 period from 67 to 86 and they waited 18 yrs till their next one. And they got some Wild Card and 3 other div titles along the way.
That is about what most teams do on average. some do not even do that. Not saying that its great but could be worse.
Unless you are the Yankees or the 90’s Braves Or the Dodgers from the 40’s to the 80’s . .
January 21st, 20129:08 pm
Yes, I was living in Boston from 1993-1997–what Duquette determined was the twilight of Roger Clemens’ career. When 1986 was what fans had to look back to, there was much simmering.
Sophee–How about 16 championships and 19 finals appearances from 1957 to 1987 for the Celtics.
I know that after Bird and Mc Hale after 1993 they pretty much stunk until the Big three got put together. And they might need to re-tool again.
January 21st, 20129:10 pm
Sophee–How about 16 championships and 19 finals appearances from 1957 to 1987 for the Celtics.
And 0 between 1987 and 2008. I thought we were talking about teams being cyclical.
January 21st, 20129:12 pm
Well, relocate to Boston is all I can say.
January 21st, 20129:13 pm
Man…those cats are quick at Wikipedia. They already have his death listed.
January 21st, 20129:20 pm
Some teams are cyclical and others are eternally bad.
Like the Football Cardinals who had a couple good yrs and even got to a super bowl three yrs ago but have quickly reverted to their bad ways.
The LA Clippers have had a history of being eternally bad, their best days were in Buffalo but are an interesting team for this year.
The cycle just has not really come to an Atlanta team except for the Braves in the 1990’s. Falcons, somewhat respectable for now and the Hawks are back to respectability Not championship level though.
I like the Bulls chances this yr..
It could come again for the Braves by mid decade if these kid pitchers are what they are supposed to be.
January 21st, 20129:21 pm
So apparently Paterno isn’t dead
January 21st, 20129:24 pm
CBSSports CBS Sports
Joe Paterno has died at the age of 85 – http://bit.ly/JOEPATERNO
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January 21st, 20129:25 pm
CBS report is wrong – Dad is alive but in serious condition. We continue to ask for your prayers and privacy during this time.
January 21st, 20129:27 pm
I’m back…I just got done playing tag in the House
January 21st, 20129:28 pm
Keep us updated, T
January 21st, 20129:29 pm
Soph – I’ll take losing a game over losing a starting guard…
To make the day worse for me, W&M tied game late, lost on 3 pointer with 1.6 to go…
January 21st, 20129:32 pm
I knew it was bad when Strickland went down, VJ. Sucks.
January 21st, 20129:33 pm
I don’t watch the NHL…
Are You John Kinkade posting on here…?
U are the First person on this blog that I seen who follows hockey…
Maybe I’m due for better luck tomorrow (he squeezes in shortly before cab arrives home)…
January 21st, 20129:37 pm
For All The Braves Fans who are older than I am… (27)
How was Don Sutton as a pitcher?
January 21st, 20129:51 pm
Sutton was a steady reliable top of the rotation starter for many years, usually winning probably 15 or so avg per year. i didnt like him much because he was a dodger originally, back when we had a pretty good rivalry with them for a few years. I started liking and respecting him much more when he became one of our broadcasters. LOL
January 21st, 20129:56 pm
tomahawkin (The Godfather)
For All The Braves Fans who are older than I am… (27)
How was Don Sutton as a pitcher?
As I remember, he was someone who was more smart than talented; he knew how to pitch around hitters, but would not overpower them. There’s also talk that he might have resorted to an illegal pitch every now and then, but I can’t speak to that.
Tomahawk–I promise you that I am not John Kindaide.
I love hockey, am watching the Nashville/Chicago Blackhawks game now after the Atl Hawks.
And I am not Powder Blue.
Hockey might be unappreciated, that is the non-hockey fans loss.
One so called sport that I will NEVER watch is NASCAR which I do not consider a sport.
January 21st, 20129:57 pm
I just got done playing tag in the House
Please don’t tell us you are alone, T-Hawkin.
January 21st, 20129:58 pm
Sutton had a good career: W-L of 324-256 (winning pct of .559), ERA of 3.26, WHIP of 1.142. But you do realize that Braves fans as a class might not have much to say. He played for the Dodgers, Astros, Blue Jays, Brewers, A’s and Angels—never the Braves.
January 21st, 201210:01 pm
Don Sutton had his best stretch from 1972 thru 76 when he was winning 18, 19 a yr winning 21 in 1976.
He was a steady pitcher during the 80’s as an older pitcher and was instrumental in helping the Brewers (they traded for him from the Astros) down the stretch in 1982 win their only league pennant.
He pitched till the age of 43. And he was still effective in 1985 and 86 as an earlly 40 yr old pitcher.
I still think he has the record for most wins by a Dodger pitcher.
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