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Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 20th, 2012
12:44 pm
Can I say I read every single one of Efrim’s posts? Because we do not always agree does not mean we can not appreciate.
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
12:44 pm
I’m not sure YOU read your posts.
Why do you say that? If being an optimist means thinking the Phillies suck every year until they hit you in the face with a 102 win season, then I guess I’m not on your level of optimism. In fact, absolutely no one on this blog is as optimistic and delusional as yourself. There is no gray area in that statement.
brian
January 20th, 2012
12:44 pm
DOB – any word from the BRaves on Vizcaino as to whether they will use him as a starter to start the year? Or will he start out a bullpen guy in spring training?
Lew
January 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
raleighbravesfan – EXACTLY. The draft is what it is because of available money. The team is what it is because of available money. Changes are or ern’t made because of available money. People think that I’m a blind homer, but I may have more of a grasp of reality than most here do.
I’d love to draft Strasburgs and Harpers every year, but when you consistently compete for playoff spots and are a mid salry level team with little to no hope of boosting the money you have to spend, it isn’t going to happen. If you can’t afford to pay above slot, you go with what you CAN afford – apparently college polished pitchers. I’d just wait to condemn them and the choices AFYTER they actually prove to be bad moves and not before.
Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 20th, 2012
12:46 pm
Diddles,I believe,is loose stool. Yes,olive oil does that.
Ease
January 20th, 2012
12:47 pm
Nobody should have to deal with the diddles. Grow some.
So sayeth the man with the iron underpants…
raleighbravefan
January 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
The great Etta James, ill for a long time…rest in peace “at last”
Lew
January 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
Efrim – All I said about the Phillies was that they could stumble, too and that the Braves weren’t without a chance to overtake them. Never said they were bad, just refuse to hand anything to anyone because they look good on paper.
And if you actually go look at what transpired the last couple of years, the Braves played over the Phillies or close to them for major portions of the sean and not fallen on their faces in Spring Training as many seem to think they would.
DAP
January 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
hey, im more of an optimist than lew. i though nate mclouth was good. :- )
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
I was actually trying to steer the conversation away from the concept of “loose stool,” but I see I’ve failed.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
My wife just asked what in the world we talk about here all the time. I just said it’s usualy the same bloggers either arguing over silly stuff back and forth, or about music/movies stuff.
The anti-social generation will be in full force soon enough with all this internet stuff, etc. Nobody will know how to socialize face to face all that well. That’s pretty sad to think about.
Lew
January 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
And besides – what would my gain have been in claiming the Phillies were the cream of the baseball crop and that the Braves stood no chance of competeing with them? Because it would have convinced you that I was more realistic?
MFin04
January 20th, 2012
12:51 pm
“you know who you are… wish to argue the ideal, or at least, the desirable, without regard to economic reality”
Well, I think some of feel as though the “economic reality” always seems to be less than realistic. The Braves say they are going to make changes to the team…and end up not making changes because they don’t have the money. But if said changes were made they might end up making more money.
Braves still need more offense if they want to go deep into the playoffs. If the goal is to field a team that has a shot at playing in a wildcard playoff game, then sure this team is built to possibly achieve that goal.
Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 20th, 2012
12:53 pm
Wait a minute, how did you know that?
Lew
January 20th, 2012
12:53 pm
Later y’all – work to do. Sorry to keep you from your lunch Efrim. Go eat.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 20th, 2012
12:54 pm
CB…
LOL, Your Changing Your Moniker name too?
Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 20th, 2012
12:54 pm
Hugo, we put up with a lot of loose stool around here.
MFin04
January 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
“i thought nate mclouth was good.”
Oh please don’t bring up his ridiculously high on base percentage hitting in the 8th spot and tell me it was because he is a good hitter. Please!
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 20th, 2012
12:58 pm
Isn’t that the truth, BS.(whoops, there it is again.)
Ease
January 20th, 2012
12:58 pm
Unfortunately, I happen to read every squirrel post, whether I agree with him or not…
Ease
January 20th, 2012
12:59 pm
Oh please don’t bring up his ridiculously high on base percentage hitting in the 8th spot and tell me it was because he is a good hitter
Hmmm, he was a gold glove winning CF.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 20th, 2012
1:00 pm
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
“My wife just asked what in the world we talk about here all the time. I just said it’s usualy the same bloggers either arguing over silly stuff back and forth, or about music/movies stuff.
The anti-social generation will be in full force soon enough with all this internet stuff, etc. Nobody will know how to socialize face to face all that well. That’s pretty sad to think about.”
Co-Sign! I refuse to do Twitter, Facebook is enough! and having been a member on there for 8 years, That site has gone to the Toilet since they Sold Out To the Media and Became the Corporate/Popular Social Media site for Advertisements, etc…
Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 20th, 2012
1:01 pm
You love every word.
MFin04
January 20th, 2012
1:02 pm
“Hmmm, he was a gold glove winning CF.”
:shakes head:
ncscoots
January 20th, 2012
1:02 pm
Can I say I read every single one of Efrim’s posts? Because we do not always agree does not mean we can not appreciate.
I’m an Efrim fan, too, and we’ve disagreed on a LOT of stuff, LOL. Doesn’t matter. He’s worth reading, which is more than I can say about some of our more contentious sorts.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
@MFin 04
Honestly, The Mclouth Deal has been the worse Blunder over the last 3 years…Many Would Argue that KK was a Blunder from the Start but he wasn’t that bad…KK never got any run support in his starts, McLouth was Overrated from the get-go…
But Thinking about it The Trade of Francoeur for Ryan Church was a Blunder as well since we had no OF production in 2011
Fols
January 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
Tomahawkin…..also in an attempt to limit this kind of stuff………but I kinda have to say I enjoy Twitter more than Facebook. Facebook is just a load of odd crap in your news feed from people playing really bad games on their phones. Twitter at least is a little more news worthy. Just sign up and follow all your sports, and you more or less get very fast news from the people you want it from.
I highly recommend Twitter over Facebook these days.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 20th, 2012
1:07 pm
I Meant to say Worst…
But to think…Why Didn’t Wren Deal KK a Year and a Half ago if he knew we already had Little Big Man MED’s, M&M (Mike Minor), BB (Beachy) Teheran, R-Dell and The Viz already knocking on the door of being on the team…?
We Could’ve saved a few Benjamins If we had traded KK a year and a 1/2 ago instead of just paying him to be injured and start a few games at AA…?
raleighbravefan
January 20th, 2012
1:08 pm
scoots – I agree…I actually agree with Efrim more often than not….but todays discussion truly does boil down to an idealism vs economic reality argument, IMO.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
@Fols
” Facebook is just a load of odd crap in your news feed from people playing really bad games on their phones”
Co-Sign…
I know a Crapload of Chicks who feel the need to do facebook posts every hour on the hour, It just Spams the board…Cheesewhiz who has the time to do that kind of stuff…
raleighbravefan
January 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
McLouth was disappointing…but I think “blunder” is the wrong term. No one could have predicted his fall off of the cliff. Most analysts considered it a steal at the time.
MFin04
January 20th, 2012
1:12 pm
“idealism vs economic reality argument”
I think that in itself would be a great argument. Because baseball is probably one of the most unfair sports in terms of salary cap, large team caps vs small team caps, etc.
And to take that a step further…is it even possible to consistently compete if you don’t have the money to do so? Probably to some extent, but a lot of the rich teams have been great for years now…and continue to get better through free agency.
flange1
January 20th, 2012
1:13 pm
I will say Efrim is my favorite poster on this board (that is right behind ’scoots!)
MFin04
January 20th, 2012
1:13 pm
“I know a Crapload of Chicks who feel the need to do facebook posts every hour on the hour, It just Spams the board…Cheesewhiz who has the time to do that kind of stuff…”
I’m not sure if this was a joke or serious. I guess this blog is just the male version of facebook?
Ease
January 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
flange, you have a little something on your nose…yes, right there…give it a swipe, oh, almost, one more time…
Fols
January 20th, 2012
1:17 pm
I’m not sure if this was a joke or serious. I guess this blog is just the male version of facebook?
Just for that I really wish I knew how to post a crap load of Bejewelled stats!
Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 20th, 2012
1:18 pm
flange1, you are one of my favorites. Just don’t come on often enough with your opinions.
flange1
January 20th, 2012
1:30 pm
Ease,
flange1
January 20th, 2012
1:30 pm
Thanks CB, I am almost always hear, just quiet!!!
David O'Brien
January 20th, 2012
1:33 pm
DOB – any word from the BRaves on Vizcaino as to whether they will use him as a starter to start the year? Or will he start out a bullpen guy in spring training? — brian
They’ve already said (and we reported) that Vizcaino will be used out of the bullpen this year. Have more than enough starters, and he was extremely effective in ‘pen before he appeared to tire in September.
Ease
January 20th, 2012
1:35 pm
If the last two pages (speaking of which, has everyone read Efrim’s 11:17?) were draft discourse, then this page has turned into a love fest…
Murph
January 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
I use Facebook to play games and post pictures of my kids so family can see them… otherwise i don’t care much for it.
If I had been on it during my single days I’m sure it would have much more useful. All those nights spent hiding the bushes with binoculars… it’s stalking made easy.
B MONEY
January 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
i don’t see the point in having a potential star starter in the pen. seems to me they are hendering his growth and limiting his potential. he will be 4th (at best) in line in the pen with the 3 big boys.
Shaun
January 20th, 2012
1:49 pm
B Money, teams do it more and more. The bullpen is a good place to keep a young pitcher’s innings down. I don’t see much reason to believe it will hinder his growth.
TennesseePaul
January 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
College players are usually finished products, yet they have no leverage so they are more signable where high school players can go to college if they don’t get there $ value.
I’m late to this debate. But I did see this and I’ve read it several times in more places than one. But when you listen to it, it doesn’t seem to make much sense on face value.
College players have no leverage.
High school players, if not offered a contract they like, can go to college.
That’s not really leverage… refusing a deal to put yourself in a position of no leverage to get a better deal.
TennesseePaul
January 20th, 2012
1:52 pm
When I post ONE thing that questions the Braves draft and Lew goes off talking about waiver wire pickups and how much talent we currently have, it really screws my original point up
Happens to everyone. Talk about how no move was made this off-season and suddenly people start mentioning July trades and moves two years ago as a counter point.
JRW
January 20th, 2012
1:54 pm
Pre Spring Training Picks (For Amusement Only)
NL
East – Phillies
Central – Reds
West – D-Backs
WC’s – Dodgers, Braves (Assuming the new WC format)
AL
East – Red Sox
Central – Detroit
West – Rangers
WC’s – Angels, Yankees
DAP
January 20th, 2012
1:56 pm
b money i don’t see the point in having a potential star starter in the pen. seems to me they are hendering his growth and limiting his potential.
i think in this particular case, its a good idea.we have so many starters that we hardly have space at AAA. vizcaino in the ‘pen gives him big league experience, and protects his arm.
DAP
January 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
vizcaino in the ‘pen gives him big league experience, and protects his arm.
not to mention it makes the team better to have him i the ‘pen.
Shaun
January 20th, 2012
2:00 pm
College players have no leverage.
High school players, if not offered a contract they like, can go to college.
That’s not really leverage… refusing a deal to put yourself in a position of no leverage to get a better deal.
TennesseePaul, it depends on how desirable is the player. If a team really wants that player, the threat of college may get him more dollars because, obviously if he goes to college, the odds decrease that that same team will draft the player next time he’s eligible.
We see this fairly regularly. Players fall in the draft because teams are worried that they’ll go to college. And often times players that go in the first round also are good enough to have college scholarships in other sports. This is leverage for the player. A team, if the team really wants such a player, will have to buy that player out of his scholarships. That’s simply what is meant by high school players having leverage and college players having less leverage. Obviously most college players good enough to be drafted have nowhere else to go but into pro baseball or into the “real world.”
raleighbravefan
January 20th, 2012
2:02 pm
TNPaul – Re “no move” …check out Mark Bradley. He’s dead on…for once.
David O'Brien
January 20th, 2012
2:10 pm
First pitchers & catchers workout is one month from today at Dark Star (Feb. 20)
Powderfinger
January 20th, 2012
2:27 pm
DOB:
First pitchers & catchers workout is one month from today at Dark Star (Feb. 20).
Finally, something to look forward to, instead of dwelling on the ugly last memory of the past season. Bring it on…
brian
January 20th, 2012
2:33 pm
thanks DOB – missed that one
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
Tomahawkin, you’re funny man. Gotta respect somebody who is just themselves and doesn’t care what others think about it either. Keepin’ it real is T’Hawkin.
Medicine is kickin in now. Edgy and all that. I need to rest a little bit
cosmo
January 20th, 2012
2:38 pm
so should we sign dominicans who are faking their identities and ages since they are actually older and possibly closer to being big league ready then when we don’t resign them after a few good seasons it won’t be a big deal since they are really older
it’s a long time to spring training!
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
January 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
Man, this is going to be a long month.
Powderfinger
January 20th, 2012
3:33 pm
I’ve got an idea! Let’s pass the time complaining about the lack of trades and/or signings, and get bogged down in semantics regarding draft picks, etc.
TennesseePaul
January 20th, 2012
3:34 pm
raleighbravefan. I checked it out. You know what he said in there? “The same Wren who has made trades hand over fist in other offseasons — and in the middle of seasons, too — has consummated only one significant deal this time, that being the sell-off of Derek Lowe to Cleveland.”
I point that out and highlight what Wren said he would do at the beginning of the off-season and get piled on as a Braves hater with outrageous expectations.
Personally, I think the team could be improved. People are free to disagree. But accusations that my understanding of the GM’s comments and subsequent actions are “outrageous” is false and I will refute it as such. Claims that Wren “improved” the offense this off-season are also false as Wren hasn’t made a move. People hoping or believing the offense will be better in 2012 than it was in 2011 can believe so, that’s fine. I’m skeptical, but that too should be fine. It’s a matter of health and we all hope the players are healthy this season.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 20th, 2012
3:40 pm
OMFG!
Five Guys Burger w/ Triple Meat, Sauteed Peppers and Onions and All The Fries you can Give Me…! Man, I’m Full As a Rat!
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
“Tomahawkin, you’re funny man. Gotta respect somebody who is just themselves and doesn’t care what others think about it either. Keepin’ it real is T’Hawkin.
Medicine is kickin in now. Edgy and all that. I need to rest a little bit”
Thanks Bro…As Crazy As I get on here…I don’t take this blog too serious If I did I would’ve left years ago…
ncscoots
January 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
and get piled on as a Braves hater with outrageous expectations.
Wait. You mean…you’re not???
nolie
January 20th, 2012
3:59 pm
And you also have players like Hanson – a 22nd round draft pick…Lew
Tommy was a DFE guy, not really equivalent to a normal 22nd round draft guy, and it is now illegal, but yes there are guys who become stars from the lower rounds. I don’t see how that has any influence on the overall draft strategy though
richbrave
January 20th, 2012
4:01 pm
Report date now 30 days away.
Venice Jim
January 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
richbrave – great game between the Tribe and VCU last night – although a couple of W&M free throws dropping would have been better…
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:15 pm
Rockies trade one of their 26 mediocre starting pitching options in Kevin Slowey to the Indians a middle relief prospect. That leave Chacin, Hammel, Pomeranz, White, Nicasio, Chatwood, Moscoso, Outman, De La Rosa(rehabbing from TJ), and 76 year old Jamie Moyer……
Lew
January 20th, 2012
4:15 pm
nolie – Maybe because it has nothing to do with draft strategy? It was a point that not all first rounders turn into stars and that it is hardly unknown for a lower round draft choice to be a bum. Had more to do with the vagueries of draft evaluation than strategy.
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
That should read “for a middle relief prospect”.
Lew
January 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
Excuse me – a lower round draft choice is not necessarily a bum.
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
Believe it or not, I actually liked a few draft choices 2nd round and later this past year….. Nick Ahmed, J.R. Graham and Cody Martin. That’s pretty much it, but 3 players is better than 0, right? I guess….
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:21 pm
You mean…you’re not???
The guy says negative things about the Braves, therefore it’s pretty black and white – TenneseePaul and Keith Law hate the Braves. No gray area there.
Murph
January 20th, 2012
4:23 pm
Jamie Moyer will have more wins this season than anyone on the Mets.
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
4:24 pm
I like Vizcaino better than Martinez myself. I would rank him fourth at least on projected ability.
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
4:28 pm
I enjoy Efrim’s posts very much and read every one. I would put him in the top 5 or so along with scoots, nolie, TennPaul, Lew and coach (small joke on that last one there), and a few others. .
I think scoots and nolie are probably the most realistic as regards baseball.
I think scoots and haggard(when he deigns to post with us)are the best writers.
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:28 pm
Nationals sign Mike Morse to a contract extension. Hmm. This seems kinda weird. Does this mean they are out on Fielder? – because if he occupies a corner OF spot long term, with Harper coming and Werth on the team, where does he play? Gotta be 1B. Jayson Werth isn’t an everyday CF long term – I hope they don’t think that. Terms haven’t been mentioned yet, so we’ll see how long they locked him up for….
Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
Hmmm,I wonder who could use Morse?
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
What if nobody offers Fielder a good deal?
TennesseePaul
January 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
Jamie Moyer will have more wins this season than anyone on the Mets.
That’s a brilliant little nugget. Ha! Totally out of nowhere. Made me laugh. Thanks Murph.
Bay Area Steve
January 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
“What if nobody offers Fielder a good deal?”
I’d stick his ass in LF for $11 million times six. But, I like watching bad LFers. Worst part of the collapse of Diaz is his improvement in LF. And, Hinske is way better than he should be…
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
I’d stick his ass in LF for $11 million times six.
I think I’d be down for Freeman in LF for a year while we see Prince at 1B. We just have to trade half the team to free up the cash to bring him in………..
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
I was wondering if he might have to take a shorter deal than expected for more per year or will settle for a longer deal with less each season if he does not get the long and high dollar deal he expected.
I must admit that I like seeing a Boros client twisting in the wind a little.
DS1
January 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
Yeah, we could do a heckuva lot worse than Morse. The Fielder situation is certainly an interesting one.
If I’m Boras, I’d have him sign a 1 year deal (for as much as he can get) then wait until the Dodgers are a little more settled in 2013. How about a lineup of Kemp/Fielder/Ethier in the 3-5 slots?
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
I’d be very happy to see Fielder in Texas – no where near D.C.
They are not a contender in 2012 with Adam LaRoche at 1B, Ian Desmond at SS, and Roger Bernadhina in CF + only 160 innings from Strasburg and John Lannan/Chein Meng Wang as their 4/5 in the rotation. Maybe a 3rd place team, but not better than our Braves.
Hillbilly
January 20th, 2012
4:46 pm
I think I’d be down for Freeman in LF for a year while we see Prince at 1B. We just have to trade half the team to free up the cash to bring him in…
Or just deal Freddie for a polished lefty. Cha-Ching!
Blind Squirrel ( AKA CB)
January 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
I believe good chance Fielder could still end up in Texas, got to believe Rangers might choose him and let the older more injury prone Hamilton hit the road when his free agency time comes.
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
4:49 pm
I’ve got lots of polishing compound, just give me Gilmartin for a month or so.
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:49 pm
Or just deal Freddie for a polished lefty. Cha-Ching!
Hah! Nice.
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
it does look like Texas might be the place
Murph
January 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
I don’t think Texas will let Hamilton walk. That team revolves around him.
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
I’ve got lots of polishing compound, just give me Gilmartin for a month or so.
I loved that Bowman used the word “polished” when describing Gilmartin. It made me laugh.
Efrim
January 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
LF Hamilton, CF Martin, RF Cruz
3B Beltre, SS Andrus, 2B Kinsler, 1B Fielder, C Napoli, DH Young
Wow.
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Fielder might have some awesome years in that park.
Hillbilly
January 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
I don’t think Texas will let Hamilton walk. That team revolves around him.
The last time I said something similar to that, Pujols kicked me square in the…
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
problem with Hamilton is that he has only had one season in which he played more than 133 games, 121 last year at age 30 so it does not seem to be improving
matt m
January 20th, 2012
5:06 pm
i have tickets for the brave’s first spring training game and dropkick murphys tickets for the next night and i’m in new york….can’t wait!!!
ZWacky
January 20th, 2012
5:08 pm
Dropkick Murphys is one of my favorite bands. lucky you.
Patio Daddio
January 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
I am getting depressed. I am a big fan of Outback Steakhouse, Red Lobster, Burger King, Hooters and when i tell them how they could get better they dont listen. So i am going to try and see if it works with the Braves.
I will explain to them that i am a big fan of the food operations and i can see everything wrong they are doing and i can make them better because all of their management teams know nothing about running restaurants and since i am a big Braves fan i can tell them why they suck and why i know more than they do
LMAO when i saw this i just had to bring it here for a nice laugh. Unbelievable lol
..An inmate at a correctional facility
January 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
Sure, Ryan Howard is out for awhile…however the difference between the Phillies and the Braves….is that the Phillies can play through injuries and keep on winning. They have proven during the past 5 seasons that they can.
In 2011, Chase Utley: Misses half the season. Brad Lidge: Misses half the season. Jose Contraras: Misses most of 2100. At one point, for over a month….the Phillies were without their top three bullpen guys (Lidge, Contraras and Madsen)…all on the DL.
Imagine if the Braves were without Kimbrel, Venters and EOF for one month.
Ibanez had a Jason Heyward like season for a big part of 2011. Jimmy Rollins struggled like Dan Uggla did the first half of 2011.
All this..and the Phillies ran away with the division. Braves fans, we are the king of making excuses.
St. Louis were without their ace (Adam Wainright) for all of 2011. Imagine if the Braves were without Tim Hudson for all of 2011.
Difference between St. Louis and the Braves in 2011: Pujols and Holliday (#3 and #4 hitters) played every game down the stretch. Chipper and McCann (#3 and #4 hitters)……wore down, broken down, needing days off.
Rob from SC
January 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
I’ll go
Phillies
Cardinals
Giants
Braves – Reds
Yankees
Tigers
Rangers
Angels – Rays
Murph
January 20th, 2012
5:20 pm
There’s something about Hamilton and Texas that’s… different. The team and organization has embraced him and all of his past issues… he’s like a son to many of them. The way they talk about him here in TX, it’s like he’s the second coming of Roy Hobbs.
The two sides have already had a few high level extension discussions. If I were a bettin’ man, which I’m not, except on chicken fights, I’d bet he stays with a 4 year deal.