I reckon. I’ve said my piece on this whole thing, more times than should be necessary. Some people are still caught in the headlights of last September, is all. Stuck in the road and quivering. They’ll prolly just stand there until the 2012 Braves turn ‘em into venison.
But that won’t be my fault. I’ve tried to shoo ‘em off the highway.
you have to admit though, the braves run prevention was fantastic last year, and they ought to be able to maintain with lowe gone and a better bullpen, even with worse defense.
Their infield defense might be downright scary next year. But Bourn in CF for a full year is nice. Bad for Tim Hudson. Good for Brandon Beachy and Tommy Hanson.
I think I’m going to start a season soon with 2012’s line up on The Show to see how it does as I’m getting amped up and there is still a lot of time until the season starts. Besides now that the Pack is out of the playoffs not much to watch…Go Niners.
Murph just knows that he’s going to keep the Rev “within himself” when he plays The Show…lots of slap hitting and letting J-Hey bring him around.
Exactly. When I play Pastornicky he will be doing a lot to move Bourn around, set the table for JHey and crew, etc. He won’t be swinging for the fences.
In real life the guy might actually make a decent #2 someday. Above average speed, good OBP, knows his role… works for me.
also, this offseason, the impossible happened, and our bullpen actually looks like it might be BETTER than last year. think about that.
I think our bullpen will be deeper, but I really doubt that it’ll be better. One thing that really, really worries me is the number of games and innings that the Big 3 threw last year. While it’s obvious that two of them wore down at season’s end, what concerns me is the possibility that heavy work in one season can lead to injury in the next season. The most recent example the Braves have had of that is Peter Moylan. In 2007, he pitched 90 innings. In 2008, he pitched 17 OUTS.
The Nationals, Marlins, Reds, Cardinals (even without Pujols) D’Backs, Giants have all improved. You can’t assume the Braves are going to win 89 games again.
They’re going to have to be far better than last season.
Their infield defense might be downright scary next year. But Bourn in CF for a full year is nice. Bad for Tim Hudson. Good for Brandon Beachy and Tommy Hanson. – Efrim
Pastornicky will obviously be a downgrade from Gonzalez, but where else do you think there will be a huge impact? Chipper wasn’t too spry last year, and there’s a decent chance that he’ll see even less time this year than last. Uggla should be pretty similar to last year I would assume, and there’s no reason to expect regression from Freeman. Outside of SS (which is a big factor), I think we might see a slight increase in defense, especially if Fredi uses Wilson as a late inning defensive replacement on a regular basis (which I doubt he’ll do, but I can dream).
Their infield defense might be downright scary next year
It only has to be adequate, I think. Nothing special. I mean, the only difference is Pastornicky, and if he’s so bad with the leather that it would cause major problems, he won’t be out there, anyway.Let’s face it, they weren’t running a buncha Gold Glovers out there last year, either, and it made not a whit of difference.
Wow – I believe we WILL be better, for all the reasons that I am tired of mentioning. One thing’s for sure, some of us will be right, some wrong, and time will tell.
The Nationals, Marlins, Reds, Cardinals (even without Pujols) D’Backs, Giants have all improved. You can’t assume the Braves are going to win 89 games again.
They’re going to have to be far better than last season.
The Braves should be improved as well. The difference is that their improvements figure to come from existing players developing rather than bringing in new players. Adding depth to the bullpen and getting rid of Derek Lowe helps too.
RC, hopefully Wilson will be used fairly regularly as a defensive replacement for Uggla. I don’t know for sure how mediocre or bad Pastornicky’s defense is but Uggla is among the worst defensive secondbasemen in the game. This is fine, if he hits as expected.
I don’t think our defense will be better. Alex Gonzalez was the best defensive SS in baseball last year, or close to it. Chipper is a year older, which concerns me. Uggla and Freeman probably won’t regress. I certainly don’t trust Fredi to put Wilson in late for D. Honestly, all this talk is pointless……
The bats have to be there. And I think they will be. It’s a 90ish win team just like I thought they were last year. They’ll battle right till the end for a WC spot.
what concerns me is the possibility that heavy work in one season can lead to injury in the next season.
If Venters keeps his arm in one piece after his last two seasons, I think you can rest your worries about him at least. He’ll have proven his arm’s bionic.
Would you play Wilson as a D-replacement over Uggla or Chipper? I personally think he’d be better served to rest Chipper, since an extra 2-3 innings off every couple of days can only help.
You can not come out and send out a letter like JS did and sit on your hands and do nothing….
Basically to the season ticket holders thats saying we promised you something, did nothing, kiss my @$$ and like it, and oh by the way, your season ticket fees are due.
The bats have to be there. And I think they will be. It’s a 90ish win team just like I thought they were last year. They’ll battle right till the end for a WC spot.
Agree with this. Also think it’s a good move for Wren to reserve a little payroll flexibility in case the team can be improved through a trade at the deadline.
Dom Brown needs to be traded. Makes no sense. He’s turning 25 years old and they want him in Triple-A another full year and feel Lance Nix is better as a platoon mate for Mayberry, Jr. Stupid. Amaro Jr. is as overrated a GM as there is.
I’m not conceeding the East to the Phillies. I believe they are within an injured pitcher or 2 of being unexceptional. I think we are CAPABLE of playing well enough to equal them.Not predicting it, but not dismissing it either.
The Nationals, Marlins, Reds, Cardinals (even without Pujols) D’Backs, Giants have all improved. You can’t assume the Braves are going to win 89 games again.
The Giants lost Beltran and Ross and replaced them with Melky Cabrera and Angel Pagan. They also let Keppinger go and I think they are going with a rookie or 2nd year player at short. And that’s considered an improvement?
The Braves are still a solid team regardless of lack of additions. I would prefer they add another bench bat but thats neither here or there. No matter what other teams do the name of the game is can your team stay healthy in the long run. The Marlins made nice moves but added an oft injured SS on a long term deal and their ace has trouble every year making starts. Nationals still have to make that jump and to date haven’t. Cardinals replace Pujols w/ Beltran and get Wainright back. Both nice but serious injury concerns there. Giants are a crap shoot as is just about any team in the west. D-backs were good last year but that division is wide open.
And does everyone realize how much lesser the WC is now?!
The KEY needs to be winning divisions….with the new rules, the WC just isn’t good enough….what, so you can use up your ace on a 1 game go home playoff and then get to face the Phillies….
Yep, always good to have that impact bat with 2/5 to 1/3 of the season left, rather than have him from the beginning of the year.
Well, if you’ve got $2 million to spend, it will buy a hell of a lot better hitter for 2/5 to 1/3 of a season than it will for a full season. Not to mention the fact that you really don’t know WHAT you’ll need as the trade deadline approaches, due to injury/underperformance, or simply better players being available then than are available now.
Remember guys, we don’t exactly have a great track record in decisive games lately, playoffs or not….
I really don’t want to be playing the WC Game 163 in Turner against ______ team hoping to find the magic just to get blitzed in the Division Series round….
IF Wild Card wasn’t the benchmark before, then why is it now, especially with the rule change?!
January 18th, 2012
4:39 pm
BravePack @4:34 – Wow! I actually agree with everything you just said.
That hurts man. Before the whole trade proposal fiasco and misunderstanding I’m pretty spot on with my posts and predictions as far as the Braves and baseball goes. That was just a big misunderstanding with some of the regular posters on here.
Dom Brown needs to be traded. Makes no sense. He’s turning 25 years old and they want him in Triple-A another full year and feel Lance Nix is better as a platoon mate for Mayberry, Jr. Stupid. Amaro Jr. is as overrated a GM as there is.
As a person who likes to see players given the opportunity to succeed, this makes me sad. As a person who likes to see the Phillies do poorly, this makes me happy.
…and the Cardinals lost their coach in LaRussa and their heart and soul in Pujols. Yes they still have a good team, but there will be a transition period I believe. And the D-Backs were a one-year lucky wonder. If Nationals get Fielder, they’d be the only team on your list that I’d be worried about.
Name an impact bat that can be had or was available this offseason that was actually feasible. Pujols, Fielder, Reyes, Rollins were never happening. Other than that no young hitters were available that would of made a difference at a reasonable price.
“Not to mention the fact that you really don’t know WHAT you’ll need as the trade deadline approaches, due to injury/underperformance, or simply better players being available then than are available now.”
Umm, lets just go ahead and bank on the fact that we are going to need an outfield bat. And it’s absurd to think we can only spend $2 million. At the end of the day, they Braves aren’t going to be able to compete to win the division if they can only obtain $2 million hitters for 30-40% of the season.
Now that we know how much money the Braves were willing to spend, and the pieces that were available for trade, who should they have added in your opinion?
I don’t ask that to be obnoxious, I just really don’t see any moves that could have been made differently.
Umm, lets just go ahead and bank on the fact that we are going to need an outfield bat. And it’s absurd to think we can only spend $2 million. At the end of the day, they Braves aren’t going to be able to compete to win the division if they can only obtain $2 million hitters for 30-40% of the season.
A $2 million hitter for 30% of the season is a $7 million hitter. You just don’t have him as long.
To all of you who are trashing Wren…what makes you so sure that there were actually moves available that would have improved this team…at a cost we could afford….And why would you assume that Wren would not make such a move if it were available?????
RC, I’d probably go with Prado at third as the defensive replacement for Chipper and then insert a different leftfielder.
It would all depend on the score and the situation, too. If it’s a really close game, maybe you keep Uggla and/or Chipper in there for insurance runs or in case the opponent ties the game. If it’s a 3- or 4-run lead against a bad offensive team, of course I’d probably want them to get Chipper and Uggla out of there.
If Nationals get Fielder, they’d be the only team on your list that I’d be worried about.
I’m not even that worried about the Nationals. Other than Gonzalez, their entire rotation figures to be on a relatively low innings limit, meaning those innings have to be picked up somewhere. And while Clippard and Storen are good, they won’t be able to cover all of them.
That’s a pretty good suggestion….Constanza in LF, Prado at 3b, and Wilson at 2b would likely be our optimal defensive setup. If it wasn’t a HUGE lead, however, I’d probably hedge my bets and leave one of Chipper or Uggla in the game, and simply let Wilson fill in for the one I take out. Most nights Chipper would get replaced simply to give him more rest, but if he’s coming off an off day or something I wouldn’t be opposed to subbing Wilson for Uggla after the 7th.
The Braves will be victims of their own minor league / young pitching depth. Any team with a bat to trade come deadline time, will be asking for any of the top tier young arms. They will not ask the same of other organizations because many do not have the Braves depth of young arms. Those tradeable players will go to other teams for lesser packages because the Braves will not relinquish those arms – and I, at least, agree with that. That said, the Braves will be placing their entire faith this season on a resurgence from Heyward, a repeat from Freeman, competence from Pastornicky, consistency from Uggla, and injury-free seasons for the oft-injured Prado, Jones, and McCann.
Any team with a bat to trade come deadline time, will be asking for any of the top tier young arms. They will not ask the same of other organizations because many do not have the Braves depth of young arms. Those tradeable players will go to other teams for lesser packages because the Braves will not relinquish those arms
The Michael Bourn trade directly contradicts this statement.
Teams may ask for the top tier young arms the Braves have, this is true. However, if the Braves offer of lesser players is better objectively than what any other team is offering, then the trade will be made with the Braves.
Crazy, unrealistic analogy: If Bill Gates offers you $100 to mow his lawn, and you know he could pay you $1000, you still wouldn’t turn him down to mow his neighbor’s lawn for $50.
I tend to subscribe to some of the theories I’ve heard that if Fielder was going to end up with the Nationals, he would be a National by now. I think the Rangers are it. It seems like they were just waiting to settle the Darvish thing, make sure they didn’t have to break the bank to an extreme degree.
I agree with that. He’s the only one that would’ve been an upgrade. He has his concerns but I would have loved to have him. Outside him there was nobody.
RC: with Houston, that was a money issue, as well as obtaining a younger, like-position player that they liked. The Braves have VERY few young bats to trade – and no young OF bats to trade from their minors. Also, we have seen many trades in the past several years where lesser packages were accepted from other teams for the same player that they asked the moon and stars from you for. Your Gates analogy is simplistic and flawed, sorry.
Also, we have seen many trades in the past several years where lesser packages were accepted from other teams for the same player that they asked the moon and stars from you for.
The Braves have VERY few young bats to trade – and no young OF bats to trade from their minors. – MiaBeachBraves
Now THAT is a different issue, and a legitmate concern. But that wouldn’t be the Braves not being able to make a trade even though they’ve got the best offer….that would be the Braves not having the pieces to make the best offer without including their stud pitchers. Totally different situation.
RC, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Braves make a move for a more solid outfielder that can play a more serviceable leftfield than their current options. In fact, I would sort of expect it. Rick Ankiel? Ryan Spilborghs?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t do that, but I don’t see how they are going to have the roster space to carry that player, unless you believe that they will dump Diaz (I don’t think they will, though maybe they should). Assuming 12 pitchers, the roster is:
After typing that out I guess they could keep Constanza in the minors, but based on their financial situation and the quality of the players left on the market, I’m betting they sit tight until at least spring training, and likely until opening day.
While I’m not a very big Constanza fan, he does have some serious Bonifacio potential….without the multi-position ability and the decent walk rate. Come to think of it, he’s not like Bonifacio much at all.
RC, I could see them dumping Diaz, although it’s probably not likely. Either that or sending Constanza back down. I’m not sure if he has options but, if not, I could see them not worrying with it and trying to get him through waivers in order to send him down.
The thing that makes me the happiest about the team going into this year is no Linebrink, no Sherril, and no Proctor. I know that Linebrink and Sherril weren’t terrible, but that was money that could have helped a lot more in other areas, and they took roster spots from guys at AAA that weren’t much worse than them (if any). As for Proctor, he was a waste of roster space. Although he did have the funniest “hit” I’ve ever seen in the Pittsburgh game.
January 18th, 2012
5:11 pm
The Braves will be victims of their own minor league / young pitching depth. Any team with a bat to trade come deadline time, will be asking for any of the top tier young arms. They will not ask the same of other organizations because many do not have the Braves depth of young arms. Those tradeable players will go to other teams for lesser packages because the Braves will not relinquish those arms – and I, at least, agree with that. That said, the Braves will be placing their entire faith this season on a resurgence from Heyward, a repeat from Freeman, competence from Pastornicky, consistency from Uggla, and injury-free seasons for the oft-injured Prado, Jones, and McCann.
That is A LOT to ask.
Take it easy chicken little. It’s a lot to ask when you believe these things to be anamolies or asking too much from a player. Heyward has always put up great numbers up until last year where he was injured and it made an impact plus he didn’t adjust…as a successful player at every level up until last year I’m sure he has something to prove to himself and all the doubters and I just bet he worked real hard to do that this year and will. Freeman is going to be a star in this league. He put up ROY numbers last year and if it wasn’t for a unbelievable rookie year from Kimbrel he would’ve been. I expect Freeman to adjust to pitchers who may adjust to him and never going through a sophmore slump. In fact, I expect him to improve on last years numbers. Mac and Prado aren’t as injury prone as bad as many on here claim them to be. Those injuries were a fluke and when healthy we know what kind of numbers they are capable of. I expect The Rev to put up better numbers than Gonzo did even if he does struggle but he adds a speed element to the bottom of the line up which will help. The only question is how much time Chipper will miss and that’s a crapshoot.
The biggest thing is last year left a really bad taste in the mouths of these players and I can almost bet that each and every one of them want to make up for it and workes their azzes off to make sure it doesn’t ever happen again. Remember this team was one of the best in baseball before the collapse started and all those unfortunate circumstances that occured in 2011.
None of this matters much as the world is going to end this year… so, I guess whoever has the best record on the day the world ends is automatically the final baseball champion.
Makes jumping out to a good start all the more important.
It also makes the fact that the Braves didn’t add anyone to an expensive, long term deal all the more upsetting. Why not sign Pujols to a 10 year deal? It’s really one a 1 year deal, if that.
Wow you still have this blog rockin and rollin! Awesome! I haven’t been on in a few years because I have been through so many challenges in my life with health and family issues. You’re the best. I LOVE your blogs and hope you continue writing them for all us fans for a long time to come.
I have watched some Braves games of course, but with medical expenses and other stuff going on I just havent had the chance to get internet until a few days ago. Speaking of those Braves, it was not easy watching them fall apart so quick late last year, but this game can be cruel and just strange sometimes. Looking forward to watching them this season more than I have in a while and hopefully post more here too.
Wilson will probably make more. Moylan’s deal is a minor league contract that will pay him a pro-rated $1M salary for time in the majors, if I remember correctly. Since it’s unlikely he will be ready for Opening Day, he’s not making all of it.
Here’s better link for the alternative home uniform, where you can see the difference between the jersey and regular home jersey, particularly the difference in color (it’s off-white or creme color)
Didn’t Beltran end up taking the Mets offer after offering himself to the Yankees for a similar contract? I think Fielder could still end up with the Nationals. I know he probably wants to be Ranger or a Cub, but I’m not sure those are options at terms that make sense for him. I’ll tell you this, I’d rather have Fielder over the next 5-6 years than Hamilton. Hamilton is like 5 years older and it will be fascinating to see him out on the open market next year, if the Rangers do in fact sign Fielder.
Carlos Beltran. And yes he got more than he should have, but I doubt the Braves were even in on him….MF04
I think he got just about exactly what he should have(Efrim and I both called it), I think the Braves knew from the getgo that he was out of their price range even if he hadn’t gotten quite that much, so yeah they were likely never in it past an early, exploratory phone call
Took some time away the blog for a bit so I missed the congrats to VJ and the others on this weekend’s win by the NY Giants. On to San Fran…..
Nice to read about us resigning all the pitchers. Looking forward to seeing Moylan if he starts at Gwinnett and if he’s there when they come up to Syracuse this summer.
Biggest S. Training Story Will be watching This Matt Lipka Cat…Watch
Not To Mention Watching/Monitoring J-Heys Atbats. And Take It To Vegas That J-Hey Will Lead The Team in ABs During the Games Assuming that he doesn’t get hurt!
cab – haha.. I’m sure that if I was around more this past month I would have been reminded me of your niners fandom.
Tomahawkin- well really they’re located in NJ so…. . Giants are the one professional team representing my state (NY) that I root for, so I’m looking for them to get to the superbowl.
There would have been no way to avoid it on Saturday during the game against the Saints. At least until the end when I lost the ability to type. Or talk. Or breathe…
Not To Mention, Watching The Pastor (Pastornicky) will be an intersting story, because People Left and Right on here (I Admit, I will be one of them) will be comparing his defense to That of Gonzo…
I’m Banking on The Pastor Starting Many Games during the Reg Season and Then using Jackie late in Games from the 7th inning on for Defense…?
Any Takers? It will remind me of the Blauser/Belliard Platoon from 91-93???
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ncscoots
January 18th, 2012
4:39 pm
I see you’re drinking the kool ade again.
I reckon. I’ve said my piece on this whole thing, more times than should be necessary. Some people are still caught in the headlights of last September, is all. Stuck in the road and quivering. They’ll prolly just stand there until the 2012 Braves turn ‘em into venison.
But that won’t be my fault. I’ve tried to shoo ‘em off the highway.
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
4:39 pm
BravePack @4:34 – Wow! I actually agree with everything you just said.
Efrim
January 18th, 2012
4:40 pm
you have to admit though, the braves run prevention was fantastic last year, and they ought to be able to maintain with lowe gone and a better bullpen, even with worse defense.
Their infield defense might be downright scary next year. But Bourn in CF for a full year is nice. Bad for Tim Hudson. Good for Brandon Beachy and Tommy Hanson.
BravePack
January 18th, 2012
4:41 pm
I think I’m going to start a season soon with 2012’s line up on The Show to see how it does as I’m getting amped up and there is still a lot of time until the season starts. Besides now that the Pack is out of the playoffs not much to watch…Go Niners.
Murph
January 18th, 2012
4:41 pm
Murph just knows that he’s going to keep the Rev “within himself” when he plays The Show…lots of slap hitting and letting J-Hey bring him around.
Exactly. When I play Pastornicky he will be doing a lot to move Bourn around, set the table for JHey and crew, etc. He won’t be swinging for the fences.
In real life the guy might actually make a decent #2 someday. Above average speed, good OBP, knows his role… works for me.
RC
January 18th, 2012
4:42 pm
also, this offseason, the impossible happened, and our bullpen actually looks like it might be BETTER than last year. think about that.
I think our bullpen will be deeper, but I really doubt that it’ll be better. One thing that really, really worries me is the number of games and innings that the Big 3 threw last year. While it’s obvious that two of them wore down at season’s end, what concerns me is the possibility that heavy work in one season can lead to injury in the next season. The most recent example the Braves have had of that is Peter Moylan. In 2007, he pitched 90 innings. In 2008, he pitched 17 OUTS.
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
4:42 pm
scoots – You and me both, buddy.
Wow
January 18th, 2012
4:43 pm
The Nationals, Marlins, Reds, Cardinals (even without Pujols) D’Backs, Giants have all improved. You can’t assume the Braves are going to win 89 games again.
They’re going to have to be far better than last season.
RC
January 18th, 2012
4:46 pm
Their infield defense might be downright scary next year. But Bourn in CF for a full year is nice. Bad for Tim Hudson. Good for Brandon Beachy and Tommy Hanson. – Efrim
Pastornicky will obviously be a downgrade from Gonzalez, but where else do you think there will be a huge impact? Chipper wasn’t too spry last year, and there’s a decent chance that he’ll see even less time this year than last. Uggla should be pretty similar to last year I would assume, and there’s no reason to expect regression from Freeman. Outside of SS (which is a big factor), I think we might see a slight increase in defense, especially if Fredi uses Wilson as a late inning defensive replacement on a regular basis (which I doubt he’ll do, but I can dream).
ncscoots
January 18th, 2012
4:46 pm
Their infield defense might be downright scary next year
It only has to be adequate, I think. Nothing special. I mean, the only difference is Pastornicky, and if he’s so bad with the leather that it would cause major problems, he won’t be out there, anyway.Let’s face it, they weren’t running a buncha Gold Glovers out there last year, either, and it made not a whit of difference.
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
4:47 pm
Wow – I believe we WILL be better, for all the reasons that I am tired of mentioning. One thing’s for sure, some of us will be right, some wrong, and time will tell.
RC
January 18th, 2012
4:49 pm
The Nationals, Marlins, Reds, Cardinals (even without Pujols) D’Backs, Giants have all improved. You can’t assume the Braves are going to win 89 games again.
They’re going to have to be far better than last season.
The Braves should be improved as well. The difference is that their improvements figure to come from existing players developing rather than bringing in new players. Adding depth to the bullpen and getting rid of Derek Lowe helps too.
Shaun
January 18th, 2012
4:51 pm
RC, hopefully Wilson will be used fairly regularly as a defensive replacement for Uggla. I don’t know for sure how mediocre or bad Pastornicky’s defense is but Uggla is among the worst defensive secondbasemen in the game. This is fine, if he hits as expected.
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
4:52 pm
RC – Confirm that.
RC
January 18th, 2012
4:52 pm
Philly fans’ Twitter comments make me happy that while Wren hasn’t been “flashy”, he also hasn’t been outright dumb:
“Reminder that Laynce Nix’s career OBP is .288, he got a guaranteed two-year deal, and he’s about to be played ahead of Dom Brown”
Efrim
January 18th, 2012
4:53 pm
I don’t think our defense will be better. Alex Gonzalez was the best defensive SS in baseball last year, or close to it. Chipper is a year older, which concerns me. Uggla and Freeman probably won’t regress. I certainly don’t trust Fredi to put Wilson in late for D. Honestly, all this talk is pointless……
The bats have to be there. And I think they will be. It’s a 90ish win team just like I thought they were last year. They’ll battle right till the end for a WC spot.
ncscoots
January 18th, 2012
4:53 pm
what concerns me is the possibility that heavy work in one season can lead to injury in the next season.
If Venters keeps his arm in one piece after his last two seasons, I think you can rest your worries about him at least.
He’ll have proven his arm’s bionic.
RC
January 18th, 2012
4:53 pm
Shaun,
Would you play Wilson as a D-replacement over Uggla or Chipper? I personally think he’d be better served to rest Chipper, since an extra 2-3 innings off every couple of days can only help.
P-Town Brave© Its Clobberin' Time!™
January 18th, 2012
4:54 pm
As flange said and I alluded to….
You can not come out and send out a letter like JS did and sit on your hands and do nothing….
Basically to the season ticket holders thats saying we promised you something, did nothing, kiss my @$$ and like it, and oh by the way, your season ticket fees are due.
RC
January 18th, 2012
4:55 pm
The bats have to be there. And I think they will be. It’s a 90ish win team just like I thought they were last year. They’ll battle right till the end for a WC spot.
Agree with this. Also think it’s a good move for Wren to reserve a little payroll flexibility in case the team can be improved through a trade at the deadline.
MiaBchBravesFan
January 18th, 2012
4:55 pm
I just noticed this. So the Mariners and the Expos / Nationals are the only two present MLB teams to never go to a WS?
P-Town Brave© Its Clobberin' Time!™
January 18th, 2012
4:55 pm
BP-
Yeah, Im pretty excited….didnt remember if i told you that I got tix to the Rumble so I shall be there live.
Efrim
January 18th, 2012
4:56 pm
Dom Brown needs to be traded. Makes no sense. He’s turning 25 years old and they want him in Triple-A another full year and feel Lance Nix is better as a platoon mate for Mayberry, Jr. Stupid. Amaro Jr. is as overrated a GM as there is.
MFin04
January 18th, 2012
4:57 pm
“Also think it’s a good move for Wren to reserve a little payroll flexibility in case the team can be improved through a trade at the deadline.”
Yep, always good to have that impact bat with 2/5 to 1/3 of the season left, rather than have him from the beginning of the year.
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
4:57 pm
I’m not conceeding the East to the Phillies. I believe they are within an injured pitcher or 2 of being unexceptional. I think we are CAPABLE of playing well enough to equal them.Not predicting it, but not dismissing it either.
Lollygagger
January 18th, 2012
4:58 pm
The Nationals, Marlins, Reds, Cardinals (even without Pujols) D’Backs, Giants have all improved. You can’t assume the Braves are going to win 89 games again.
The Giants lost Beltran and Ross and replaced them with Melky Cabrera and Angel Pagan. They also let Keppinger go and I think they are going with a rookie or 2nd year player at short. And that’s considered an improvement?
P'cola Brave
January 18th, 2012
4:58 pm
The Braves are still a solid team regardless of lack of additions. I would prefer they add another bench bat but thats neither here or there. No matter what other teams do the name of the game is can your team stay healthy in the long run. The Marlins made nice moves but added an oft injured SS on a long term deal and their ace has trouble every year making starts. Nationals still have to make that jump and to date haven’t. Cardinals replace Pujols w/ Beltran and get Wainright back. Both nice but serious injury concerns there. Giants are a crap shoot as is just about any team in the west. D-backs were good last year but that division is wide open.
Murph
January 18th, 2012
4:58 pm
Unless the Braves have a lead heading into the 9th inning I do not want to see Wilson anywhere near the field.
P-Town Brave© Its Clobberin' Time!™
January 18th, 2012
4:58 pm
And does everyone realize how much lesser the WC is now?!
The KEY needs to be winning divisions….with the new rules, the WC just isn’t good enough….what, so you can use up your ace on a 1 game go home playoff and then get to face the Phillies….
No thanks!
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:00 pm
Yep, always good to have that impact bat with 2/5 to 1/3 of the season left, rather than have him from the beginning of the year.
Well, if you’ve got $2 million to spend, it will buy a hell of a lot better hitter for 2/5 to 1/3 of a season than it will for a full season. Not to mention the fact that you really don’t know WHAT you’ll need as the trade deadline approaches, due to injury/underperformance, or simply better players being available then than are available now.
MFin04
January 18th, 2012
5:00 pm
“The KEY needs to be winning divisions”
Well I’m not sure the new playoff rule has been passed, but clearly the Braves ARE trying to win the division by not acquiring anyone.
P-Town Brave© Its Clobberin' Time!™
January 18th, 2012
5:01 pm
Remember guys, we don’t exactly have a great track record in decisive games lately, playoffs or not….
I really don’t want to be playing the WC Game 163 in Turner against ______ team hoping to find the magic just to get blitzed in the Division Series round….
IF Wild Card wasn’t the benchmark before, then why is it now, especially with the rule change?!
BravePack
January 18th, 2012
5:01 pm
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
4:39 pm
BravePack @4:34 – Wow! I actually agree with everything you just said.
That hurts man. Before the whole trade proposal fiasco and misunderstanding I’m pretty spot on with my posts and predictions as far as the Braves and baseball goes. That was just a big misunderstanding with some of the regular posters on here.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:01 pm
Dom Brown needs to be traded. Makes no sense. He’s turning 25 years old and they want him in Triple-A another full year and feel Lance Nix is better as a platoon mate for Mayberry, Jr. Stupid. Amaro Jr. is as overrated a GM as there is.
As a person who likes to see players given the opportunity to succeed, this makes me sad. As a person who likes to see the Phillies do poorly, this makes me happy.
Lollygagger
January 18th, 2012
5:01 pm
…and the Cardinals lost their coach in LaRussa and their heart and soul in Pujols. Yes they still have a good team, but there will be a transition period I believe. And the D-Backs were a one-year lucky wonder. If Nationals get Fielder, they’d be the only team on your list that I’d be worried about.
P'cola Brave
January 18th, 2012
5:02 pm
MFin04
Name an impact bat that can be had or was available this offseason that was actually feasible. Pujols, Fielder, Reyes, Rollins were never happening. Other than that no young hitters were available that would of made a difference at a reasonable price.
David O'Brien
January 18th, 2012
5:03 pm
Six-year contract for Darvish with the Rangers, done deal. Haven’t seen amount of $ yet, but hearing $60-70 mill inc. bonus
MFin04
January 18th, 2012
5:03 pm
“Not to mention the fact that you really don’t know WHAT you’ll need as the trade deadline approaches, due to injury/underperformance, or simply better players being available then than are available now.”
Umm, lets just go ahead and bank on the fact that we are going to need an outfield bat. And it’s absurd to think we can only spend $2 million. At the end of the day, they Braves aren’t going to be able to compete to win the division if they can only obtain $2 million hitters for 30-40% of the season.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:03 pm
MFin04,
Now that we know how much money the Braves were willing to spend, and the pieces that were available for trade, who should they have added in your opinion?
I don’t ask that to be obnoxious, I just really don’t see any moves that could have been made differently.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:04 pm
Umm, lets just go ahead and bank on the fact that we are going to need an outfield bat. And it’s absurd to think we can only spend $2 million. At the end of the day, they Braves aren’t going to be able to compete to win the division if they can only obtain $2 million hitters for 30-40% of the season.
A $2 million hitter for 30% of the season is a $7 million hitter. You just don’t have him as long.
MFin04
January 18th, 2012
5:04 pm
“Name an impact bat that can be had or was available this offseason that was actually feasible.”
Carlos Beltran. And yes he got more than he should have, but I doubt the Braves were even in on him.
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
5:05 pm
To all of you who are trashing Wren…what makes you so sure that there were actually moves available that would have improved this team…at a cost we could afford….And why would you assume that Wren would not make such a move if it were available?????
Gotta go.
Shaun
January 18th, 2012
5:06 pm
RC, I’d probably go with Prado at third as the defensive replacement for Chipper and then insert a different leftfielder.
It would all depend on the score and the situation, too. If it’s a really close game, maybe you keep Uggla and/or Chipper in there for insurance runs or in case the opponent ties the game. If it’s a 3- or 4-run lead against a bad offensive team, of course I’d probably want them to get Chipper and Uggla out of there.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:06 pm
If Nationals get Fielder, they’d be the only team on your list that I’d be worried about.
I’m not even that worried about the Nationals. Other than Gonzalez, their entire rotation figures to be on a relatively low innings limit, meaning those innings have to be picked up somewhere. And while Clippard and Storen are good, they won’t be able to cover all of them.
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
5:07 pm
BravePack – Sorry, man. Your OK with me.
Shaun
January 18th, 2012
5:07 pm
…well, on to Prince Fielder for the Rangers.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:09 pm
Shaun,
That’s a pretty good suggestion….Constanza in LF, Prado at 3b, and Wilson at 2b would likely be our optimal defensive setup. If it wasn’t a HUGE lead, however, I’d probably hedge my bets and leave one of Chipper or Uggla in the game, and simply let Wilson fill in for the one I take out. Most nights Chipper would get replaced simply to give him more rest, but if he’s coming off an off day or something I wouldn’t be opposed to subbing Wilson for Uggla after the 7th.
MiaBchBravesFan
January 18th, 2012
5:11 pm
The Braves will be victims of their own minor league / young pitching depth. Any team with a bat to trade come deadline time, will be asking for any of the top tier young arms. They will not ask the same of other organizations because many do not have the Braves depth of young arms. Those tradeable players will go to other teams for lesser packages because the Braves will not relinquish those arms – and I, at least, agree with that. That said, the Braves will be placing their entire faith this season on a resurgence from Heyward, a repeat from Freeman, competence from Pastornicky, consistency from Uggla, and injury-free seasons for the oft-injured Prado, Jones, and McCann.
That is A LOT to ask.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:13 pm
Any team with a bat to trade come deadline time, will be asking for any of the top tier young arms. They will not ask the same of other organizations because many do not have the Braves depth of young arms. Those tradeable players will go to other teams for lesser packages because the Braves will not relinquish those arms
The Michael Bourn trade directly contradicts this statement.
BravePack
January 18th, 2012
5:13 pm
raleighbravefan
January 18th, 2012
5:07 pm
BravePack – Sorry, man. Your OK with me.
Cool. Thanks man.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:16 pm
Teams may ask for the top tier young arms the Braves have, this is true. However, if the Braves offer of lesser players is better objectively than what any other team is offering, then the trade will be made with the Braves.
Crazy, unrealistic analogy: If Bill Gates offers you $100 to mow his lawn, and you know he could pay you $1000, you still wouldn’t turn him down to mow his neighbor’s lawn for $50.
MiaBchBravesFan
January 18th, 2012
5:16 pm
What’s the over / under on Fielder signing with ANYONE by Jan. 31st?
Lollygagger
January 18th, 2012
5:17 pm
And BOOM goes the dynamite… RC just nailed it at 5:13. Trades with Braves don’t absolutely have to involve any of the Young Guns.
P-Town Brave© Its Clobberin' Time!™
January 18th, 2012
5:18 pm
BP-
How are you feelin about Jericho and the Cena/Kane feud?
Shaun
January 18th, 2012
5:18 pm
I tend to subscribe to some of the theories I’ve heard that if Fielder was going to end up with the Nationals, he would be a National by now. I think the Rangers are it. It seems like they were just waiting to settle the Darvish thing, make sure they didn’t have to break the bank to an extreme degree.
P'cola Brave
January 18th, 2012
5:20 pm
Mfin04
I agree with that. He’s the only one that would’ve been an upgrade. He has his concerns but I would have loved to have him. Outside him there was nobody.
MiaBchBravesFan
January 18th, 2012
5:20 pm
RC: with Houston, that was a money issue, as well as obtaining a younger, like-position player that they liked. The Braves have VERY few young bats to trade – and no young OF bats to trade from their minors. Also, we have seen many trades in the past several years where lesser packages were accepted from other teams for the same player that they asked the moon and stars from you for. Your Gates analogy is simplistic and flawed, sorry.
P-Town Brave© Its Clobberin' Time!™
January 18th, 2012
5:21 pm
Can you imagine that Ranger lineup w/ Fielder in it….
My God…..
I think those boys could score more runs opposite hand than the Braves can normally
P-Town Brave© Its Clobberin' Time!™
January 18th, 2012
5:22 pm
Hey, maybe if we give the Astros some laced PB cups, theyve give us another useful piece
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:23 pm
Also, we have seen many trades in the past several years where lesser packages were accepted from other teams for the same player that they asked the moon and stars from you for.
Name one.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:25 pm
The Braves have VERY few young bats to trade – and no young OF bats to trade from their minors. – MiaBeachBraves
Now THAT is a different issue, and a legitmate concern. But that wouldn’t be the Braves not being able to make a trade even though they’ve got the best offer….that would be the Braves not having the pieces to make the best offer without including their stud pitchers. Totally different situation.
Shaun
January 18th, 2012
5:28 pm
RC, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Braves make a move for a more solid outfielder that can play a more serviceable leftfield than their current options. In fact, I would sort of expect it. Rick Ankiel? Ryan Spilborghs?
P-Town Brave© Its Clobberin' Time!™
January 18th, 2012
5:29 pm
Shaun-
Is that some sort of early April Fools joke?!
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:31 pm
Shaun,
I’m not saying they shouldn’t do that, but I don’t see how they are going to have the roster space to carry that player, unless you believe that they will dump Diaz (I don’t think they will, though maybe they should). Assuming 12 pitchers, the roster is:
1. McCann
2. Freeman
3. Uggla
4. Pastornicky
5. Chipper
6. Prado
7. Bourn
8. Heyward
9. Ross
10. Hinske
11. Wilson
12. Diaz
13. Constanza
After typing that out I guess they could keep Constanza in the minors, but based on their financial situation and the quality of the players left on the market, I’m betting they sit tight until at least spring training, and likely until opening day.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:33 pm
While I’m not a very big Constanza fan, he does have some serious Bonifacio potential….without the multi-position ability and the decent walk rate. Come to think of it, he’s not like Bonifacio much at all.
Shaun
January 18th, 2012
5:34 pm
RC, I could see them dumping Diaz, although it’s probably not likely. Either that or sending Constanza back down. I’m not sure if he has options but, if not, I could see them not worrying with it and trying to get him through waivers in order to send him down.
RC
January 18th, 2012
5:35 pm
The thing that makes me the happiest about the team going into this year is no Linebrink, no Sherril, and no Proctor. I know that Linebrink and Sherril weren’t terrible, but that was money that could have helped a lot more in other areas, and they took roster spots from guys at AAA that weren’t much worse than them (if any). As for Proctor, he was a waste of roster space. Although he did have the funniest “hit” I’ve ever seen in the Pittsburgh game.
Just Pat
January 18th, 2012
5:41 pm
RC
Totally agree with you about no Linebrink, Sherril and Proctor. I cringed every time they came into a game.
BravePack
January 18th, 2012
5:42 pm
MiaBchBravesFan
January 18th, 2012
5:11 pm
The Braves will be victims of their own minor league / young pitching depth. Any team with a bat to trade come deadline time, will be asking for any of the top tier young arms. They will not ask the same of other organizations because many do not have the Braves depth of young arms. Those tradeable players will go to other teams for lesser packages because the Braves will not relinquish those arms – and I, at least, agree with that. That said, the Braves will be placing their entire faith this season on a resurgence from Heyward, a repeat from Freeman, competence from Pastornicky, consistency from Uggla, and injury-free seasons for the oft-injured Prado, Jones, and McCann.
That is A LOT to ask.
Take it easy chicken little. It’s a lot to ask when you believe these things to be anamolies or asking too much from a player. Heyward has always put up great numbers up until last year where he was injured and it made an impact plus he didn’t adjust…as a successful player at every level up until last year I’m sure he has something to prove to himself and all the doubters and I just bet he worked real hard to do that this year and will. Freeman is going to be a star in this league. He put up ROY numbers last year and if it wasn’t for a unbelievable rookie year from Kimbrel he would’ve been. I expect Freeman to adjust to pitchers who may adjust to him and never going through a sophmore slump. In fact, I expect him to improve on last years numbers. Mac and Prado aren’t as injury prone as bad as many on here claim them to be. Those injuries were a fluke and when healthy we know what kind of numbers they are capable of. I expect The Rev to put up better numbers than Gonzo did even if he does struggle but he adds a speed element to the bottom of the line up which will help. The only question is how much time Chipper will miss and that’s a crapshoot.
The biggest thing is last year left a really bad taste in the mouths of these players and I can almost bet that each and every one of them want to make up for it and workes their azzes off to make sure it doesn’t ever happen again. Remember this team was one of the best in baseball before the collapse started and all those unfortunate circumstances that occured in 2011.
jake
January 18th, 2012
5:49 pm
Is ss pastornicky related to miss pastornicky on 2 1/2 men?
Jbailz
January 18th, 2012
5:49 pm
DOB – I sure hope you caught the Southland premier last night. I absolutely love that show!
Murph
January 18th, 2012
6:21 pm
I look forward to the quick drive up to Dallas to see Darvish pitch (and hopefully Fielder rake).
Murph
January 18th, 2012
6:29 pm
Slow time on the ol blog… I guess I should do something to entertain myself…
nolie nolie bo bolie
banana fana fo folie
me my mo molie
nolie
lew lew bo boo
banana fana fo foo
me my mo moo
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Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 18th, 2012
6:29 pm
2012 is gonna be damn interesting for sure.
Murph
January 18th, 2012
6:31 pm
None of this matters much as the world is going to end this year… so, I guess whoever has the best record on the day the world ends is automatically the final baseball champion.
Makes jumping out to a good start all the more important.
Murph
January 18th, 2012
6:34 pm
It also makes the fact that the Braves didn’t add anyone to an expensive, long term deal all the more upsetting. Why not sign Pujols to a 10 year deal? It’s really one a 1 year deal, if that.
Murph
January 18th, 2012
6:34 pm
Makes me laugh that Lowe will spend his final moments in an Indians uniform. So fitting.
Murph
January 18th, 2012
6:39 pm
The only things that will survive the coming Apocalypse? Cockroaches and the 4 year old.
She will rule the Earth, leading her cockroach army across the plains.
Murph
January 18th, 2012
6:41 pm
Don’t believe me? Watch this movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2ZcmMxehk
It’s either a brilliant viral marketing campaign for War of the Worlds 2 or we’re all about to be eaten for real by ET. For real.
Murph
January 18th, 2012
6:42 pm
Either way, Tom Cruise is screwed.
David O'Brien
January 18th, 2012
6:45 pm
Jbailz, I did and mentioned it last night after midnight. Terrific show (we’re talking about Southland)
Richard
January 18th, 2012
6:58 pm
DOB,
Wow you still have this blog rockin and rollin! Awesome! I haven’t been on in a few years because I have been through so many challenges in my life with health and family issues. You’re the best. I LOVE your blogs and hope you continue writing them for all us fans for a long time to come.
I have watched some Braves games of course, but with medical expenses and other stuff going on I just havent had the chance to get internet until a few days ago. Speaking of those Braves, it was not easy watching them fall apart so quick late last year, but this game can be cruel and just strange sometimes. Looking forward to watching them this season more than I have in a while and hopefully post more here too.
God Bless, everyone
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 18th, 2012
7:08 pm
Good To See Petey Pablo on the Braves Page instead of Jackie Wilson…
Is It Me or Is It FUB’R that Jackie Wison will make nearly as much as Petey Pablo This year???
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 18th, 2012
7:21 pm
@Richard…
Welcome Back Dude…!
cabravesfan
January 18th, 2012
7:25 pm
Tomahawkin-
Wilson will probably make more. Moylan’s deal is a minor league contract that will pay him a pro-rated $1M salary for time in the majors, if I remember correctly. Since it’s unlikely he will be ready for Opening Day, he’s not making all of it.
David O'Brien
January 18th, 2012
7:28 pm
Here’s better link for the alternative home uniform, where you can see the difference between the jersey and regular home jersey, particularly the difference in color (it’s off-white or creme color)
http://www.sportslogos.net/blog/2012/01/15/braves-new-2012-throwback-alt-leaked/
Efrim
January 18th, 2012
7:41 pm
Didn’t Beltran end up taking the Mets offer after offering himself to the Yankees for a similar contract? I think Fielder could still end up with the Nationals. I know he probably wants to be Ranger or a Cub, but I’m not sure those are options at terms that make sense for him. I’ll tell you this, I’d rather have Fielder over the next 5-6 years than Hamilton. Hamilton is like 5 years older and it will be fascinating to see him out on the open market next year, if the Rangers do in fact sign Fielder.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 18th, 2012
7:46 pm
The Rangers are nuts. How can they imagaine that Darvish is worth that kind of money?
Lew
January 18th, 2012
7:46 pm
Murph – Hanging out with the four year old a bit much lately?
Efrim
January 18th, 2012
7:57 pm
Next years free agent class is deep, and it has some star power up top. Perhaps not what this year had, but it’s still really, really good:
C Montero, Napoli, Molina, Martin
1B Berkman, Lee, Loney
2B Johnson, Phillips
SS Aybar, Drew, Scutaro
LF/RF Hamilton, Ethier, Swisher, Quentin, Young, Sizemore
CF Bourn, Victorino, Upton, Cabrera, Pagan
SP Hamels, Cain, Greinke, A. Sanchez, Marcum, Carmona, Liriano, Dempster, Guthrie, Lewis, Matsuzaka, McCarthy, Peavy, J. Sanchez, Wolf
RP Madson, K-Rod, League, Broxton, Valverde, Adams, Marshall
nolie
January 18th, 2012
7:59 pm
Carlos Beltran. And yes he got more than he should have, but I doubt the Braves were even in on him….MF04
I think he got just about exactly what he should have(Efrim and I both called it), I think the Braves knew from the getgo that he was out of their price range even if he hadn’t gotten quite that much, so yeah they were likely never in it past an early, exploratory phone call
Kat
January 18th, 2012
8:04 pm
Took some time away the blog for a bit so I missed the congrats to VJ and the others on this weekend’s win by the NY Giants. On to San Fran…..
Nice to read about us resigning all the pitchers. Looking forward to seeing Moylan if he starts at Gwinnett and if he’s there when they come up to Syracuse this summer.
cabravesfan
January 18th, 2012
8:06 pm
Kat-
This weekend should be interesting in the House of Cab & VJ
Kat
January 18th, 2012
8:10 pm
cab you a 49ers fan?
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 18th, 2012
8:11 pm
Go 9ers! NY teams Dont Need Another Championship Appearance!
cabravesfan
January 18th, 2012
8:11 pm
Kat-
I am a life long, die hard 49er fan.
You have been away
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 18th, 2012
8:17 pm
Biggest S. Training Story Will be watching This Matt Lipka Cat…Watch
Not To Mention Watching/Monitoring J-Heys Atbats. And Take It To Vegas That J-Hey Will Lead The Team in ABs During the Games Assuming that he doesn’t get hurt!
Kat
January 18th, 2012
8:19 pm
cab – haha.. I’m sure that if I was around more this past month I would have been reminded me of your niners fandom.
Tomahawkin- well really they’re located in NJ so….
. Giants are the one professional team representing my state (NY) that I root for, so I’m looking for them to get to the superbowl.
cabravesfan
January 18th, 2012
8:21 pm
Kat-
There would have been no way to avoid it on Saturday during the game against the Saints. At least until the end when I lost the ability to type. Or talk. Or breathe…
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 18th, 2012
8:22 pm
Not To Mention, Watching The Pastor (Pastornicky) will be an intersting story, because People Left and Right on here (I Admit, I will be one of them) will be comparing his defense to That of Gonzo…
I’m Banking on The Pastor Starting Many Games during the Reg Season and Then using Jackie late in Games from the 7th inning on for Defense…?
Any Takers? It will remind me of the Blauser/Belliard Platoon from 91-93???