12:30 am January 10, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
January 10th, 20125:50 pm
That’s the beauty of the blog. You can jump in anywhere you want to…………
January 10th, 20125:52 pm
Does anybody have the dates of the arb hearings?
January 10th, 20125:53 pm
That Chipper–he’s a BALLPLAYER !
January 10th, 20125:54 pm
Easy there, Wayne.
I’m locked and loaded, with an itchy trigger finger today.
January 10th, 20125:56 pm
I knew I’d getcha with that one………………
January 10th, 20125:57 pm
Your comparing Bourjos skillset to Bourn after 1 decent year? Bourjos struck out 124 times last year and isn’t even close to stealing as many bases as Bourn. They only thing comprable to each other’s game is defense and look what the Braves gave up for Bourn…nothing. Granted he only had 1-1/2 years before FA but still what makes you think Bourjos has more upside in his offensive game than Bourn and where did you read that scouting report?
Bay Area Steve
January 10th, 20125:59 pm
“what makes you think Bourjos has more upside in his offensive game”
This is a tough one. I don’t know if I should try, but I’m gonna step out onto this mighty long limb…
Uh, I’ll go with: he had a better offensive year last year. Do I win?
January 10th, 20126:02 pm
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
BAS, YOUR THE WINNER! Please report to the AJC anytime between 8 and 5 tomorrow to get your prize please……………
Does the image of a brick wall come to mind on this discussion???
January 10th, 20126:04 pm
DS1 cool that’s what I love about blogs and ending sentences with a preposition, so let’s talk about nudist colonies
Okay, Wayne. I’m better about it these days( I think ) but I can still rise to the bait.
January 10th, 20126:05 pm
“Does the image of a brick wall come to mind”
Sort of. (Though, I’ve come to like brick walls. Reminds me of Soph, and cab, and RG.) My favorite part would be dude not addressing the Venters and Vizcaino thing. He sure was adamant about that…
I was reading that Mark Teahen was released today by the Blue Jays. In 2010 he dropped off a bit from his earlier years, but really tanked in 2011. He’s only 30 years old.
I wonder what happened? Would he be interested in a minor league contract with a ST invite? Correct me if I am wrong, but I think we were looking at him a few years back.
January 10th, 20126:06 pm
Hall of Famer baby.
Hey, not just anybody can lose a ground ball in the pale brick background at Target Stadium or the “infield lights” in Miami.
It only happens to the best of ‘em. Well, except maybe Barry Larkin.
But nobody’s perfect.
New Mexico Lee
How about a dead horse!
January 10th, 20126:10 pm
And we thought Victorino was our mortal enemy.
Michael Martinez, why did you have to catch that ball in left center.
Fredi Gonzalez, why did you not walk Hunter Pence to pitch to Michael Martinez?
Little better with the old glove than the bat.
January 10th, 20126:11 pm
True story, I swear. About 25 years ago, I was in charge of a staff of computer techs in the Bay Area. One of my guys was a mid 20’s single guy, that went on some of those 3 day weekends to a nudist camp in Nor Cal somewhere.
When he returned on a Monday morning he told me of an encounter that he had on the weekend. Said he was having a nice conversation with a young lady he met there, and while talking a bee decided to interrupt their conversation by stinging him on a very tender part of his anatomy. Obviously this hurt and he could not hide what happened. Needless to say, that particular body part started to swell up from the bee sting.
Kinda ruined his whole weekend………………….
True story, I swear.
January 10th, 20126:12 pm
You have been a great Brave, but do whats best for the team and PLEASE retire.
January 10th, 20126:13 pm
Most folks have gotten over September. Life goes on buddy.
January 10th, 20126:14 pm
Why are we not talking about this issue?
Q: Trades and Moves
A: And I Quote “You always have to have an eye on the future, and if you can get an outfield piece for the future with giving up one of your starters, and having our depth in the minor leagues at starting pitching, that would have been maybe the one move that I could have seen being made.”
Is this Chipper telling us that the Braves organzization drop the ball on getting much needed LF help? It could be that Chipper knows of trade’s that fell flat? Him going on to say that Adam Jones was the only deal he has heard of, and called it a joke? which it is.
Fact is that he knows that the Braves didnt want to give up its 8 man starting rotation to fix a major problem now. And this is his way of calling them out on it.
Good for you Chip
January 10th, 20126:16 pm
DS1 great ammo for me next time I unexpectedly begin to swell I can put a bee keepers hat on and say I was that guy.
January 10th, 20126:18 pm
There once was a GM named Frank;
Who twiddled his thumbs and stank;
While others made trades;
and improved in spades;
He claimed he had no bank.
Alright.. for KBB and the others that wants Chipper to retire. Lets say he does. Who do you suggest that the braves get to play third. IF you say Prado, then who do we get to play LF. I know its semi old news, but apparently the Prince has a big offer from the Mariners but has not made up his mind if he wants to go out there and disappear while he plays for them.
January 10th, 20126:19 pm
I think you might be trying to read too much into his statement. I read it as him asking the question that most of us have asked. Why not deal from your strength to address a future need in the outfield or at third base?
And I really don’t think Chipper is privy to the potential trades being discussed in the Braves org. I could be wrong, but I really don’t see him being in on any of those talks.
Also, the off season isn’t over yet.
True story, I swear.
January 10th, 20126:21 pm
The guy was a very good friend of mine. He was a bit embarrassed to tell me, so I knew it had to be true from his demeanor.
A poet and he doesn’t know it………………..
January 10th, 20126:22 pm
Is that you John???
But I know he moved to KC……………….
January 10th, 20126:24 pm
DS1 Next time I have a date I’m still using that if anything unexpectedly develops lmao. Tears are running down my face I am laughing so hard at the images in my head
January 10th, 20126:28 pm
Just empathizing, I’ve been stung by a hornet and well…………
January 10th, 20126:31 pm
Im not looking too deep into what he said. But given that response shows he is either A) not happy with the current situation of not having a everyday LF. or B) he thinks the organization is going to improve at some point. (remember the justice & Grissom deal for Lofton during spring training). or C) He knew about some trades that didnt come to pass and he is beside himself, but still has to watch what he say’s. or D) He dosent know what the plan is, but figures like us fans that a move would have been made by now.
Think of all the outfielder’s that has been on the FA Market or in Trade Talks that have signed with other teams. Tell me who is left out there that the Braves can benefit from via FA or Trade? I know how this works, and it seems to me he is waiting for other teams to break during spring training to go after SP. Thats when I believe Frank Wren will pull the trigger.
January 10th, 20126:32 pm
Heading out tonight to see the Jazz and the Cavaliers. Will be fun to watch the new kid, Kyrie Irving in person. Jazz have won 4 in a row.
January 10th, 20126:37 pm
You could be right. FW could be waiting out the market. My guess is that he is more interested in a trade than paying full price for a free agent.
Think about this: If Cody Ross doesn’t sign soon, his price tag is probably going to go down. He’d be a decent pickup. But my guess is that FW is looking at someone else. We know he likes Seth Smith. I half way expect us to get Smith before it’s all said and done. But I really would be super surprised if we deal Prado for him.
And since we know he was inquiring on Adam Jones, we know that he is making inquiries to other clubs.
I appreciate why FW isn’t leaking out rumors of whom he is interested. It really doesn’t help your position for other teams to know who you are talking to/about.
My guess is Chipper is in the same boat that we are all in. Impatient a bit about nothing being done so far, but realizing that things can come together between now and opening day.
January 10th, 20126:39 pm
I really think the Braves are hoping that Diaz will return to form in 2012. If he did, then he’d be an incredibly good platoon with a guy like Seth Smith in LF when Prado is playing third.
January 10th, 20126:42 pm
There once was a GM named Frank
They said his offense did stank
he made a trade or two, surprised me and you
and then the kool-ade is all that we drank.
January 10th, 20126:45 pm
Gammons on MLB saying the FA market for the ones still out there (like Prince, Madsen, Oswalt, etc.) has dried up to a certain extent and many of them may have to reduce their expectations and take reduced years and/or money. This might help the Braves with someone like Ross.
He also said Prince doesn’t like Seattle, would prefer the Nats or someone else.
January 10th, 20126:48 pm
Is Prince waiting to make a decision until the Braun issue is resolved?
January 10th, 20126:51 pm
Does it make you sick that the game plan is to possibly platoon LF?
Ross I could do with. He has played for Freddi and with Uggla. He seems like the go to guy.
I still think Adam Jones is still a possibility. For the simple fact, that the Braves couldnt be the Braves without someone named Jones on the team.
January 10th, 20126:52 pm
Apparently Prince has a big offer from Seattle. There has been rumors in that regards. But he simply does not want to play there.
January 10th, 20126:55 pm
Braun wins his appeal, Prince goes back to the Brewers, Braun losses and gets booted for 50 games, Prince goes to the Nats?
January 10th, 20126:56 pm
Its rumored that Reds are in serious talks with Madson
January 10th, 20126:58 pm
Chipper’s always been a class act, and a true spokesman of our club. He tells it like it is, with no sugarcoating of any situation. Still as good a hitter at 40, as most players are at 25!
gd from nz:
The analysts on MLB were saying Bonds and Clemens might get in sometime because they would have been HOFers without the benefit of juicing and just based on their pre-steriods numbers. But is that not the same thing as saying Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose should be in based on the numbers they put up before taking money and betting on your own team?
January 10th, 20127:01 pm
There once was a GM named Frank
Whose team in September did tank
His trio he kept, to which the blog wept
And October play next year you can bank!
January 10th, 20127:02 pm
but still what makes you think Bourjos has more upside in his offensive game than Bourn and where did you read that scouting report?
Im pretty tired with this argument and you’ve made some pretty ridiculous points. He posted a 115 OPS+ with a similar BB rate and more power – much more power. He’s five years younger than Bourn and Bourn’s highest OPS+ was this year at 104. Looks like he’s shown quite a bit of offensive potential if he surpassed Bourn’s best year at 23 years of age. How is this not making sense to you? Oh, that’s right….You’re probably looking at strikeouts, stolen bases and RBI’s. Good bye.
January 10th, 20127:03 pm
Here’s my two cents in regards to what I’d like to see happen for the upcoming season. I understand that the front office feels that a deal probably has to get done for Jurrjens because he is due a raise, and because there is no chance of keeping him long term because of that scumbag Boras. But, to be honest, I’d rather get rid of Hanson instead because of his own injury issues. We might get more for Hanson now before he completely blows his shoulder apart.
As for Prado, I’m with Chipper on this one. Keep him! He is a valuable guy. And Wren better not get taken by the Orioles. We can get by without Adam Jones. Geez, they make it sound like he’s the second coming. I think if I were serious about making a trade, I would look into one like Jurrjens(or Hanson) and Bourn for Andrew McCutchen.
At any rate, if we can’t make a trade without getting taken to the cleaners, then I say stand pat until the season starts and see what transpires. I personally don’t see us going anywhere anyway, whether we trade or not, unless everyone does a complete 360 from last year.
January 10th, 20127:04 pm
@Seattle Braves Does it make you sick that the game plan is to possibly platoon LF?
Not really. Sometimes a platoon is the best way to get production out of a position. But those were easier when pitchers went longer into the games and teams had 9-10 person pitching staffs.
January 10th, 20127:07 pm
man this place is getting old
January 10th, 20127:08 pm
January 10th, 20127:11 pm
DS1,A nudist camp in No Cal?I’m gonna sit that one out.
How ya been Jerry? A couple of thoughts. I’m thinking that Hanson, being controllable for another 4 years will not be dealt until we get a true logjam on our staff. With Jurrjens only having 2 more years of control, I’m guessing that’s why he’s being talked up.
Agreed on Prado.
I like McCutchen, but the Pirates will definitely want 3-4 prospects. They won’t be interested in Jurrjens. Maybe Hanson, but his injury situation might scare them off.
Anything we do is a gamble, as any of these pitchers could have issues.
As for how the team will do next year, who the heck knows. We could be anywhere from very good to anemic; depending on some luck, some pitching and our hitters getting closer to their career means (Uggla, Prado, Mac).
I think Jason Heyward will be key.
January 10th, 20127:12 pm
Old as in stale?
If I’m Wren I’m making a move for Maicer Izturis and signing Cody Ross if it fits the budget. Those two moves really would solidify the team.
January 10th, 20127:13 pm
Funny cause that what we have a 9-10 person rotation
Alaska Braves Fan
January 10th, 20127:16 pm
Chipper is a HOF guy, and even at this point in his career, the Braves are much better of with him than they would be without him. What a class guy. Honest.
January 10th, 20127:23 pm
9-10 man staff, not rotation. Now we have roughly a 12 man staff. At times 13.
Bball time. Later folks.
January 10th, 20127:25 pm
Love Chipper. I’m glad he is coming back another year. Take note: He is the most loyal player I’ve ever heard/read about. In all these years, he has never said an unkind word about the Braves. Or MLB, for that matter. As for what fans think about him: Next time you see him walk to the plate to bat, take note of the audience applause. Folks pay to see him. They are seldom disappointed.
Keys to 2012
1. Heyward returns
2. No sophmore slump for Kimbrel or Freeman
3. No sloooooow start by Uggla
4. Pitching staff holds up with young guns
5. Chipper playing 120+ games
6. Prado bounces back
7. win division match ups
8. resign Peter Moylan
9. Dont over work the Bull Pen
10. No Injuries
January 10th, 20127:26 pm
I think the “Occupy” folks have come to the blog
That’s just what we need. A bunch of unemployed hippies with cold sores and yin yang tattoos stinking up the joint. Get a haircut and get a job if you want to change things you bums!
January 10th, 20127:28 pm
7. Fish and Nats own us
8. Depends on rehab
9. Depends on all of the above
10. Ain’t gonna happen
Steve from OH
January 10th, 20127:30 pm
Get a haircut and get a job if you want to change things you bums!
Haha, yeah. “I wanna be lazy and smoke weed all day, so I’ll inspire change by…being lazy and smoking weed all day!”
January 10th, 20127:32 pm
mostly I am just getting tired of all the constant negative same ol’ same ol’.
January 10th, 20127:39 pm
I don’t want to bad mouth Chipper, but it is time for retirement. I would have rather seen him become our hitting coach, than a everyday player. Since, Liberty media will not allow a higher team salary and it is apparent no one is going to trade with us, it’s hard to improve. It is really sad that we are not even hearing good rumors about players we are trying to obtain. Before the Angles signed Cantu we might have traded Prado to them for say Trumbo who can play the outfield. We might have had to sweeten the deal, but Prado can play third and the Angles were looking for a third baseman. With the other teams improving in our division and we are standing pat, it’s not looking good for the Braves.
I hope we can find some lighting in the bottle somewhere.
January 10th, 20127:41 pm
usually the winter gives a break from all the emotion laden stupidity, but I guess because of the collapse and no deals, it just keeps on keepin’ on this year
January 10th, 20127:43 pm
Crazy to see all the names still available on FA this offseason. This has got to be seen as a terrible offseason for the Boras camp. Focusing all his time on Fielder and his other guys getting left out to dry w/ out clubs to. May be time for him to give some ground and get some deals done.
January 10th, 20127:44 pm
A LIST OF IF’s:
1. Wayward returns as Heyward.
2. Praro”s average teturns to normal.
3. Chipper’s knees hold up through April.
4. Uggla finds his swing before August.
5. McCann gets back to his old self.
6. Freeman doesn’t pull a Heyward.
7. Hanson doesn’t throw his sholder or elbo away.
8. JJ’s knee is ok.
9. Hudson’s back is ok.
10. We find a shortstop
You can bet your sweet ass that half of these if’s will be bad news, thats why the Braves will do no better than 4th place thats why they should write this season off and go with a total youth movement then they will be ready to compete in 2013. Lots of money coming available in 2013 with Chipper gone and Hudson 15 mil.
January 10th, 20127:46 pm
I bought in at .27,then went to jail in 2009 18 minutes ago
I got out before the holidays and sold some shares.should i sell the rest of it ?I own almost 60,000 shares.
Stock message boards can be almost as much fun as this one.
January 10th, 20127:47 pm
The Rikers Island inmates usually join the OWS people when they get out because of the free gourmet meals, the ease of theft (most of these hippies have nice technology like laptops, iphones etc) and the ability to rape without anyone pressing charges. The rape tents are there to make sure that the women or I guess some men can be taken care of after rape witout going to the police as the group doen’t want negative publicity….and our former speaker praises these people??
January 10th, 20127:49 pm
oh, I left out the serious amounts of drugs these hippies have is a big attraction as well.
January 10th, 20127:50 pm
1. Heyward returns 1. Optimistic
2. No sophmore slump for Kimbrel or Freeman 2. Wow, if they can repeat
3. No sloooooow start by Uggla 3. Start preparing sooner?
4. Pitching staff holds up with young guns 4. Great staff
5. Chipper playing 120+ games 5. Yes
6. Prado bounces back 6. Yes, better this year
7. win division match ups 7. Fish and Nats, yes. Phils?
8. resign Peter Moylan 8. No money
9. Dont over work the Bull Pen 9. Sure, roll another one.
10. No Injuries 10. Not enough to believe that.
January 10th, 20127:52 pm
It’s so funny the way nice neat columns down in the box go to hell when you post them.
January 10th, 20127:54 pm
There once was a man named Wren
who’s team we watnted to win
He was the boss
Well..him and The Hoss
The problems? Where do I begin?
January 10th, 20127:55 pm
gotta space them with dashes or periods to keep them separated most times
Chipper’s done folks. I don’t necessarily want to see it happen…but if you read anything into that interview…he’ll be lucky to play half a 162 game season.
January 10th, 20127:58 pm
Make love not war! Give peace a chance!
Hey, Hey, LBJ, how man kids…………….
Hi Wayne, how’s life been treating you? As for why Jurrjens is being shopped instead of Hanson, I totally agree with you on that point. I think I would rather have Jurrjens for those two years instead of Hanson, for two reasons. One, I think if we keep him for a couple more years, his arm will be shot because of that ridiculous delivery of his, and two, when someone gets on base, it’s just in invitation to run on him. Oh, and he is a ginger. Couldn’t forget that one.
And I don’t know how much it would take for Andrew McCutchen, but giving them a top flight leadoff man who plays good defense, plus a front line starter has to count for something with a team like the Pirates.
January 10th, 20128:03 pm
Chipper will not retire as long as those big bucks are there for the taking, WOULD YOU??????
January 10th, 20128:04 pm
I don’t much care for seeing people steal on Hanson either, for one thing it upsets McFann, but really what difference does it make if they are stranded on first or second.
January 10th, 20128:05 pm
Chipper doesn’t need the money.
If you’re making a top ten list, what do you do when there are only, oh, say, eight things that really should make it? Is it better to just go with the eight or say, fluffit, I’m adding a couple of stinkers to even it out? I ask because there seems to be a preponderance of lists here today, and, most of them, I’ve gotten a little squinty-eyed around numbers 6 or 7 or so.
Think I’ll have a cocktail and ponder. You guys make some more lists.
January 10th, 20128:08 pm
Chipper doesn’t need the money
Josh, have you ever seen anyone that had enough money that they didn’t want any more?????
So you are saying Chipper will be lucky to play 81 games? Really? When was the last time his total was that bad. With the slow market, it could end up being to Wren’s benefit. There are a few that are out there as their price drops it could be good for the Braves.
January 10th, 20128:09 pm
I mean, Dentz making a top ten list, I understand. For him, counting to ten is showing off.
You are right Bat. If they are stranded at first, it’s all good. But, and that’s a really big butt, Hanson is not Greg Maddux. Maddux could strand those runners, and he did. But I don’t think Hanson is anywhere close to being able to do that on a regular basis.
January 10th, 20128:14 pm
But I don’t think Hanson is anywhere close to being able to do that on a regular basis.
Kinda hard to explain his career ERA with that concept, is it not?
Stolen bases, for the most part, are wasted effort. Only when the SB leads directly to the only run in an inning scoring, does one matter. In all other scoring scenarios, the runner would have scored without stealing the base. It’s one of the reasons that such a high success percentage is necessary to make SBs worthwhile.
Hanson has the right idea: the guy who can hurt you is the guy with the stick.
jeffrey doo doo
January 10th, 20128:15 pm
Cliff Lee, when he signed with the Phillies even though the Yankees offered him more money.
January 10th, 20128:16 pm
, and that’s a really big butt
January 10th, 20128:19 pm
No Hanson is not Maddux. I’m a little surprised he has been so good right out of the gate. But he is, or at least has been, damned good.
January 10th, 20128:21 pm
Efrim, YOU have a lot more patience than I do.
January 10th, 20128:31 pm
Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison — The original footage of Cash recording at Folsom with the prisoners as audience. Directv Ch 274 (Ovation TV) 12 am Monday morning.
January 10th, 20128:33 pm
McFann O O o
January 10th, 2012
keylargo Or is it some silly infatuation that all things McCann does are the way the world should revolve?
No, dangit!! But I don’t like how you sometimes act as though he doesn’t do anything to improve himself. He’s always trying to get better. Reason we don’t hear about it all is ’cause he’s not that kind of guy.
But whatever. I’m getting burned out on this subject…maybe I should just go into “cyber-hibernation” until Spring Training…
No need to respond and i know you don’t like the subject, but i fully expect Brian to show at ST as out of shape as always. I don’t mean weak and wasted but typically bloated and fat. It’s no wonder he needs a day off every 2 or 3 games and that he’s wearing out now by august. He’s only hurting his longevity in the game and in life and i don’t like it, whether he cares personally or not.
I hope i’m wrong.
January 10th, 20128:36 pm
Wonder if this will be the yr Uggla shows up and hits from day 1?
January 10th, 20128:43 pm
So we’re all just ignoring the “big butt” comment? Clearly everybody’s more mature than me
January 10th, 20128:44 pm
Not positive but doesn’t Mac usually show up at Spring Training in shape? I’m pretty sure I remember him saying the wear of the season is when it hits him from eating bad on the road and stuff. I know he showed up lighter than usual either last season or the year before.
January 10th, 20128:45 pm
“man this place is getting old”
Not really, nolie. He’s had this blog aaround since, what, ‘05 or ‘06? Shoot, I got underwear that old, and I bet you got underwear twice as old. So come … old?
January 10th, 20128:48 pm
I’ve never used underwear as a gauge of time
January 10th, 20128:54 pm
Ugh, and just think … we’re still well over a month before pitchers and catchers even report. My God this offseason has blown. I mean it would’ve probably been more interesting if our team wasn’t as top secret as the CIA, but you can that previous agents and FA of the past for this mess. Wren has his butt cheeks so tightly held together regarding ANYTHING even remotely leaking out.
Guarantee we’ll find stuff out that went on this offseason that nobody even suspected.
what is “underwear” ?
January 10th, 20128:56 pm
so far it has gone pretty much as some have expected it to go
January 10th, 20128:58 pm
murph and beekay: “That’s just what we need. A bunch of unemployed hippies with cold sores and yin yang tattoos stinking up the joint. Get a haircut and get a job if you want to change things you bums!”.
You guys either still live in your mom’s basement or are oblivious to what has happened to a lot of those folks in the past few years. Many (but not I all, I will add) were living what they thought was the American Dream: they had a job with benefits and retirement, a nice savings for that retirement, they paid their bills and mortgage every month, and provided for their family like they were raised to do.
Then around 2008 or 2009, the whole world changed. Their company downsized or was sold and they were replaced with someone younger and cheaper, they went through their savings while looking for a job and still paying the bills, they finally lost their house because the banks wouldn’t use the money they were given to help people modify or refinance their loans, and their marriage broke up due to the stress. All of a sudden they were 40 to 60 years old without a job or a decent job, living with relatives or friends, lost their wife or girlfriend and estranged from the kids, and with no money to do much of anything with and little hope for it getting any better.
If this didn’t happen to you or anyone you know, then say a thank you to whatever god you pray to every night, because millions of Americans who spent there life trying to do the right thing are in this position today.
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