12:30 am January 10, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
January 16th, 201212:29 pm
Just an FYI, tomorrow is deadline for teams to swap arbitration figures with their remaining unsigned sal-arb guys. Braves have three — Bourn, Jurrjens, O’Flaherty — after signing Prado to one-year, $4.75 mill deal on Friday.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 16th, 201212:34 pm
Can we Just Lock Up The Bourn Identity to a 3 year 30-mill deal and get it over with and skip Free Agency?
Our Owners Can’t be That Cheap to Let Bourne Walk away via Free Agency…The Idea of Bourn going back to Philly Next offseason scares the Tar out of me…
January 16th, 201212:35 pm
Not to mention we have no Plan B in place of a leadoff hitter in CF is Bourn Leaves…
January 16th, 201212:38 pm
I do not like new uniforms, but thast does not matter to BRAVES they have to bring new ones out almost every year so they can sell them and make money. Just wish they would spend some of that money on players.
January 16th, 201212:39 pm
“Not to mention we have no Plan B in place of a leadoff hitter in CF is Bourn Leaves…”
We have Constanza
Just trying to stir the pot a little bit … slow day.
Gotta remember that his agent is Scott Boras. Nothing simple there. And most probably no early extension. Scott will most probably take this one into next January unless we meet his asking (outrageous) price. Even then, he’d probably turn it down in hopes of getting somebody else to up the anty.
January 16th, 201212:40 pm
Those are awfully ugly uniforms. I was hoping for the baby blue throwback uniforms. Those were pretty nice looking.
January 16th, 201212:41 pm
DOB- correct me of im wrong, but arent we moving to a ‘balanced’ schedule in 2013?? That would mean we would play in a lot of AL parks? And we would need a DH? Chipper could DH for those games, and play mentor ( not that he already doesnt) for our future 3b..
tomahawkin’ Can we Just Lock Up The Bourn Identity to a 3 year 30-mill deal and get it over with and skip Free Agency?
no, i dont think we can. if a deal like that were possible, it would be a smart move for the braves, but Bourne will likely explore free agency and look to get a better deal than that, in years at least, if not in yearly $$$.
Sounds like a nice idea. Never going to happen. Not enough dollars or yrs.
January 16th, 201212:42 pm
MFin04 Those are awfully ugly uniforms. I was hoping for the baby blue throwback uniforms. Those were pretty nice looking.
hooboy. no accounting for taste is there?
January 16th, 201212:43 pm
I think it’ll take more than $10 million per year for Bourne. The guy has lead the NL in stolen bases the last 2 years (and maybe more times than that, I’m lazy and will not look that up). Don’t think Boras will be giving discounts for stolen base champ.
January 16th, 201212:45 pm
Gotta remember that his agent is Scott Boras. Nothing simple there. And most probably no early extension. Scott will most probably take this one into next January unless we meet his asking (outrageous) price. Even then, he’d probably turn it down in hopes of getting somebody else to up the anty.”
Fudge! Thanks for the 411 GRRRRRRRRRRRR
Borarsehole is his Agent? I did not know that…
That means we should sell High at the trade deadline if we are not in the race…The Dude is a goner once he hits free agency…Bleh
January 16th, 201212:46 pm
Bigwheel, the new schedule in 2013 only means there will be at least one interleague series being played all season, since there will be 15 teams in each league and one team would have to be off from each league for 3-4 days in order to make the schedule work otherwise. It does NOT mean the Braves (or any other team) will play many more interleague games. Just means instead of all teams playing their interleague games inside of a couple of windows of two weeks or so, baseball will stretch out the interleague schedule throughout the season.
Our Interleague Schedule is Nasty This year…! We do get the Advantage of Playing in the AL East Bandboxes However…
January 16th, 201212:49 pm
That new interleague scheduling in 2013 is gonna be interesting…I hope they go back to the Balanced schedule…I hate seeing the Nats and Marlins 18 times a year, Those games are borefests…I like the Idea of the team playing the Teams in the Central and Western Divisions more often…
January 16th, 201212:51 pm
I had the same exact thought about Chipper and 2013. I think for that reason alone he likely comes back for another year if he can stay relatively healthy this season. He’s a perfect fit for a DH role. And the balanced sked and interleague play every day in 2013 could 2 be the time that the NL starts using a DH too? Not saying it will ever happen…but I bet it’s something that Selig and his friends bring to the table soon for at least some discussion.
Thanks for the clarifico boss! Hope all is well
January 16th, 201212:55 pm
oh, I see DOB’s comments on there not being more IL games in 2013, just spread out more. Nevermind my comments about Chipper, then.
i know the assumption is that not playing defense will save chipper’s legs, but im just not sure that ony hitting will save him from injury, or “extend his career”. most of his tweaks and injuries happen while batting, and as half of a baseball player (DH) he would still have to run the bases, another injury waiting to happen to old legs.
January 16th, 201212:57 pm
We should only play AL east teams every year. It would mean less travel expense and fewer late night left coast games and we would have the YANKS and SOX playing in ATL every year, that would help attendence. But it would upset cab and VJ so we can no0t let it happen.
January 16th, 20121:02 pm
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. No DH for NL.
January 16th, 20121:04 pm
They’d still have to play the Pads, Dodgers, Giants and D’Backs…only get the Angels here once in a while…
January 16th, 20121:08 pm
True cab I really don’t mind the late night games but would like to see SOX and YANKS more often.
January 16th, 20121:09 pm
“most of his tweaks and injuries happen while batting, and as half of a baseball player (DH) he would still have to run the bases, another injury waiting to happen to old legs.”
He has always said he plays better if he is fielding. And agreed…his injuries are usually batting or running.
January 16th, 20121:15 pm
… could 2 be the time that the NL starts using a DH too? Not saying it will ever happen…but I bet it’s something that Selig and his friends bring to the table soon for at least some discussion. — Lollygagger
There is zero momentum for a DH in the NL. Thankfully, I don’t see it happening in forseeable future.
January 16th, 20121:16 pm
George- I agree. I personally like the style of play created by pitchers hitting for themselves….but I think it’s only a matter of time until the NL goes with a DH. The players union will push hard for it, as it extends players’ careers and presents more opportunities for more player contracts. And though it’s only a hunch, I would bet that more fans go to games to see home runs and offense rather than fans that go to see pitching. I just think it’s inevitable.
January 16th, 20121:20 pm
A catcher who misses on average 25 games a year with a backup as good as Ross will complicate that, but it is a good thought.
If we did
January 16th, 20121:33 pm
Are you ready to announce your top 20 movies for 2011? My preference is this uniform
January 16th, 20121:39 pm
From MLBTR…”The Athletics acquired outfielder Seth Smith from the Rockies for righty Guillermo Moscoso”
That should effectively end any remaining talk about a Prado-Smith trade. Hopefully, I got tired of hearing about it.
January 16th, 20121:41 pm
Nah, that just means now our trade partner will be Oakland.
January 16th, 20121:48 pm
The Athletics acquired outfielder Seth Smith from the Rockies for righty Guillermo Moscoso and lefty Josh Outman, according to the Rockies’ Twitter feed.
Man, the Rockies rotation stinks. I’ve said before, you can already cross off the Mets, Cubs, Astros, Pirates, Rockies and Padres, imo. They just simply don’t have enough pitching. I think O’Dowd gets axed if they don’t show improvement and if I was their owner, I’d be heated at the lack moves towards pitching they’ve made. Just my two cents on the Rockies. As for the A’s, they now have 5 outfielders – Smith, Michael Taylor, Collin Cowgill, Coco Crisp, and Josh Reddick. Taylor and Cowgill have nothing more to learn at the minor league level, imo.
January 16th, 20121:49 pm
Lollygagger, it’s funny you say that, because the A’s top prospect list is loaded with outfield talent.
you guys see what the rockies got for smith? i think its obvious that wren didnt really want smith, because all it took was a mediocre starter and a middling middle reliever.
January 16th, 20121:54 pm
Rockies 10 starters: Chacin, Hammel, Pomeranz, Nicasio, Chatwood, White, Slowey, Moscoso, De La Rosa(TJ surgery – mid year return), Rogers.
Not a contender, even in that division.
January 16th, 20121:55 pm
OK Brava, you can breathe a sigh of relief now…………
DAP, its not that Frank really didnt want Seth, he just really wanted one of their outfield prospects, which they werent willing to give up.
January 16th, 20121:56 pm
Seth Smith traded to A’s for RHP Guillermo Moscoso and LHP Josh Outman. If Braves had wanted Seth Smith alone, they could’ve gotten him. But it was important to them to also get a CF in that deal (Wheeler if not Fowler, and Fowler wasn’t available period). Rockies didn’t want to part with one of the CF’s the Braves wanted. As we said many times, Braves were never going to trade Prado or JJ for Smith straight up. That was never an option they considered.
Yes, and I think it’s pretty clear that the Braves were never trading Jurrjens or Prado for Smith, unless they really think so little of Martin and Jair. Moscoso and Outman? Please.
The Rockies get to keep their outfielders. Good for them.
January 16th, 20121:58 pm
I don’t think Wren was ever interested in acquiring Smith, he was interested in acquiring a center field prospect with Smith as a throw-in. Most of that chatter about the Braves interest in Smith was drummed up by the Rockies side, in my opinion.
January 16th, 20121:59 pm
Paging Frank Wren. Paging Frank Wren. Mr. Frank Wren, can you pick up the white courtesy phone. The Cody Ross party is waiting for you in the free agent outfielder pick up area.
January 16th, 20122:00 pm
Rockies didn’t want to part with one of the CF’s the Braves wanted.
Did they even need to part with Prado or Jurrjens to get a CF prospect included? Moscoso and Outman is not a great return.
January 16th, 20122:01 pm
I think Frank was legitimately interested in Smith as the lefty part of a LF platoon. But I just don’t think that was all he was interested in, as many are stating.
January 16th, 20122:03 pm
Can we get anoher picture on the front page other than Jack Wilson’s? No complaints against him personally, but sort of a sad reminder of how the off-season has gone when he is our “cover boy” and “big news” story several days running.
January 16th, 20122:04 pm
O.J. its not that Frank really didnt want Seth, he just really wanted one of their outfield prospects, which they werent willing to give up
i think you just said the same thing i did. wren didnt really want smith.
Have a friend who was just on a flight from Louisville to ATL w/ Muhammad Ali and entourage onboard. They assisted him from 1st class to car on tarmac.
January 16th, 20122:06 pm
Don’t know much about the two pitchers the Rockies picked up. Their numbers were OK last year in Oakland.
Personally, I think that Seth Smith was wanted as a part of the formula to replace Prado. And Prado was only going to be moved (or Jurrjens for that matter) if we got the CF’er we coveted.
It’s all OK. I like the idea of keeping Prado. I could still see Jurrjens going in a deal if the right return is offered. Still a lot of teams looking for pitching help.
Jurrjens is a bit of a gamble due to his balky knees, but he could present a very high return if he stays healthy. (which is a good reason NOT to deal him too).
But I think we are going to be pitching top heavy if we don’t move somebody.
Bay Area Steve
January 16th, 20122:08 pm
“Did they even need to part with Prado or Jurrjens to get a CF prospect included?”
I think the bigger point is that people need to not trust what is said by the media with regard to these rumors. Folks here were ready to lynch Wren, based on comments by different writers, and especially the Rockies beat writer. I think it’s clear, based on today’s trade, that guy was just pimping the Rockies side; his stuff was Boras/Heyman-like spin.
The fact is, the Braves might be the tightest-lipped organization in the game. When they make a move, you’ll hear about it. Not before. And trying to decipher their wishes based on the likes of Troy Renck is not possible.
Not really. I think he did want Smith, IF he was dealing Prado in this or another deal. To replace Prado on the left handed side. (with Diaz on the right side?)
He just wanted Smith AND the CF’er.
January 16th, 20122:09 pm
January 16th, 20122:14 pm
It’s nice they could help him (Ali) such a shame anyone has to.
January 16th, 20122:16 pm
DOB, any possibility that the A’s may be looking to flip Smith plus an OF prospect to us? Glancing at their top prospects, they seem to have a decent number of OF prospects. I don’t know what they would hope to acquire from us, though.
January 16th, 20122:19 pm
Please end the Trading for Seth Smith talks…
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
January 16th, 20122:25 pm
As many have suggested all along, Wren was attempting to do the the Rockies what he did to the Yankees in the Javier Vasquez trade. Wheeler was the Vizcaino, and Smith was the Melky Cabrera.
January 16th, 20122:26 pm
Sure wish Montero could have played LF, the Yanks were willing to move like I said.
January 16th, 20122:47 pm
This is a good thing. Wren clearly is not going to make a panic move. You can be a bit patient to make the RIGHT deal. And always, no move is better than a bad move. I would be curious to find out what are the current offers out there on Cody Ross.
January 16th, 20122:51 pm
Anyone who has ties to Athens, GA or who was involved in the Music culture from Athens will appreciate this. It brought back memories I had long forgotten.
And Moe Berg – There are several pictures of the famous Archway Entrance to UGA. The Parking Garage turned Condominiums was across the street and half a block away from “The Arch”.
January 16th, 20123:01 pm
Wheeler was the Vizcaino, and Smith was the Melky Cabrera.
I get your point, but seeing “Wheeler was the Vizcaino” makes my head hurt.
Super! Now all the Seth Smith chatter can be laid to rest (R.I.P.).
January 16th, 20123:05 pm
Prado stays? I think so. Jurrjens – still possible Wren is/will market him. Prado and Jurrjens could remain Braves and bounce back. Hardly hurts Wren’s moving forward if both players play healthy and live up to expectations.
January 16th, 20123:07 pm
“Super! Now all the Seth Smith chatter can be laid to rest (R.I.P.).”
Co-Sign! Ditto for Colby Rasmus!
January 16th, 20123:10 pm
In the end, I think Jurrjens will be traded for prospects at the deadline. And that’s okay, we have a logjam at starting pitching, so might as well get a few good position prospects.
January 16th, 20123:11 pm
“In the end, I think Jurrjens will be traded for prospects at the deadline. And that’s okay, we have a logjam at starting pitching”
A Damn Good Luxury to have! Ask Whinebrenner and The Yankees
January 16th, 20123:13 pm
But what if Jurrjens is healthy and has 10 wins and a sub-3 ERA at the break again? You’re not trading him during a pennant race are you? I realize that’s a big if on both ends (the 10 wins and the pennant race part) but not impossible given his history.
January 16th, 20123:15 pm
The trade that never happened = Wren’s crown jewel of the off-season. Mark it down. Prado will make us thankful for Wren’s patience this summer.
January 16th, 20123:18 pm
One thing that has not changed in 180+ years of baseball, you can never have too much pitching.
January 16th, 20123:23 pm
In the end, I think Jurrjens will be traded for prospects at the deadline.
If he’s going well and they are in it, they aren’t trading him. If he is pitching poorly, the return isn’t going to be very good at all.
January 16th, 20123:29 pm
no way jurrjens gets traded during the season. not gonna happen.
January 16th, 20123:31 pm
Seth Smith going to the A’s makes me happy because I never wanted a mediocre major league piece + mid level prospects back for Jurrjens or Prado. I’d rather just unproven prospects with upside back. Of course, that was in November when there were free agents available that could replace the players being traded for prospects.
January 16th, 20123:34 pm
What about scenario 3.a where JJ is pitching well but the team is doing poorly? I can see him being moved if that’s the case.
January 16th, 20123:35 pm
Looks like the Braves are going into the season with the team as constructed. They are certainly positioned to make a move before the deadline should they need to.
January 16th, 20123:36 pm
I know it’s hypothetical, but if JJ is going well in July and COL calls Wren up and offers Arenado, Wheeler and two or three lower-level prospects…you don’t think he’d do it? Assuming Arenado and Wheeler keep raking? We can’t keep all of the young guns at AAA forever is all I’m saying. If he is not going to be a player in free agent market, then at some point Wren HAS to deal from a position of strength.
January 16th, 20123:38 pm
I don’t see it either. Mostly because I see the Braves doing well, and will not be in a selling position come 7/31.
January 16th, 20123:41 pm
lollygagger I know it’s hypothetical, but if JJ is going well in July and COL calls Wren up and offers Arenado, Wheeler and two or three lower-level prospects…you don’t think he’d do it?
if the braves are 15 games out of second place, then yes, i could maybe see that happening.
but lets be real. the braves are going to be in the race again in 2012. if JJ is pitching well, were gonna ride him to the playoffs, not trade him so a AAA arm can take his place. it just isnt going to happen.
January 16th, 20123:42 pm
I know it’s hypothetical, but if JJ is going well in July and COL calls Wren up and offers Arenado, Wheeler and two or three lower-level prospects…
That’s never going t happen given Jurrjens collapses the past two years and his current service time. You’re trading a year and a half of him, I really don’t see any sort of significant return. I’d rather go after Garza or Floyd…..
January 16th, 20123:45 pm
January 16th, 20123:50 pm
fair enough, I see y’alls points and I don’t disagree with your points themselves. I just disagree in that I think Braves would, and will, consider trading him during season.
January 16th, 20123:55 pm
If we could get both Arenado and Wheeler for Jurrjens, I think you pull the trigger on that one as fast as you can, even in the middle of the season. We have plenty of major-league-ready starting pitching, and a few of them will likely be better than Jurrjens. Problem is, I don’t think the Rockies would ever give us both of them given Jurrjens’ injury history.
January 16th, 20123:56 pm
Switching gears… has it ever been decided if the new Wild Card round will begin in 2012 or is it not until 2013 like the Astros move?
Chacin, Pomeranz, Hammel, White, Nicasio, Slowey, Chatwood, De La Rosa, Moscoso, Outman and apparently they have an offer out to another veteran starter. I get that you can never have enough starting pitching but isn’t that pitching depth suppose to be good?
January 16th, 20124:02 pm
Right. And that’s why I said hypothetical. I don’t think Rocks would do that deal for just JJ. But think about other teams- if, say, the Yankees were just a few games behind in the chase and needed a pitcher in the worst way. Or the Red Sox or any team for that matter… I refuse to believe that the Braves would say no if a team offered 2 of their top 10 prospects (that were to the Braves’ liking of course) and a few lower level prospects. You never know, a team with lots of money and resources might get desparate enough. Not likely, but certainly not impossible. Braves did it themselves with the Teixeira trade.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 16th, 20124:03 pm
Frank Wren and company wanted one of Colorado’s CF players because they are anticipating losing Michael Bourn to free agency.
yeah have pitching depth is one thing. Having GOOD pitching depth is a whole other aspect. Rockies and O’s have depth but its all not very good.
January 16th, 20124:12 pm
“Frank Wren and company wanted one of Colorado’s CF players because they are anticipating losing Michael Bourn to free agency.”
Is this the Coach-being-dominant part? I just want to be clear.
lollygagger has it ever been decided if the new Wild Card round will begin in 2012 or is it not until 2013 like the Astros move?
hasnt been decided but they are trying to get it done for 2012.
January 16th, 20124:14 pm
New computer has arrived!!!! Happy day!!
January 16th, 20124:19 pm
I wonder if all this means that the A’s want Prado or JJ, so they acquired Smith and have a CF prospect ATL wants? It is all circling back around, see.
McFann O O o
Yay!! Congrats! So it’s a MacBook, right?
January 16th, 20124:23 pm
Enter your comments here
but lets be real. the braves are going to be in the race again in 2012. if JJ is pitching well, were gonna ride him to the playoffs, not trade him so a AAA arm can take his place. it just isn’t going to happen.
Um, just a bit off base.
Tim Hudson is the ACE of this pitching staff, period. If they are to have any success this year it will be because Huddy led the way.
January 16th, 20124:24 pm
It is. And it’s sooo pretty
January 16th, 20124:29 pm
Niiiice…those silver ones are sweet-looking, but I don’t really care for their material…so I’m glad I got my laptop when I did—I got a white one in 2010, and they quit making them soon thereafter!
You’ll be happy with yours, I assure you…
January 16th, 20124:31 pm
I’m already loving it…although I have no idea how to get my e-mail to work on it
January 16th, 20124:34 pm
With a name like Outman, you pretty much have to be a pitcher, huh?
Is there some new rule that you can ONLY ride your ace into the playoffs? Not any of the other pitchers?
January 16th, 20124:37 pm
Red Sox’s seem to be digging deep for a started. Who do they have in outfield that would help us out?
January 16th, 20124:40 pm
cab and McFann
WOW! Nothing like a “pretty” computer. Now as an old guy, I like functionality and speed and adaptability. Pretty wasn’t ever really a consideration.
But my wife’s laptop is a very “pretty’ dark red shell.
and mine is a boring black laptop…………..
January 16th, 20124:43 pm
Make no mistake- when I say pretty, I mean “it looks nice and it WORKS”
My work computer is a POS and I have been dying for a new one for over a year, but didn’t want to ask for one. Last week, after it took me close to 40 minutes to do something that should have taken less than 2, I broke down and asked. And today I have one
January 16th, 20124:47 pm
In the last 20 years, we’ve had two years where a less than elite QB won a Super Bowl – Brad Johnson in ‘03(Super Bowl 37) and Trent Dilfer in ‘01(Super Bowl 35). The other QB’s winning in that span?
And for all this talk about defenses winning championships, I think it’s fallen perfectly for the New England Patriots(at home vs. Joe Flacco) and eventually, in the Super Bowl vs. Alex Smith on a fast track in Indy. Sadly, I believe Tom Brady will win his 4th Super Bowl in 2012 despite the Patriots defeating no teams with winning records during the regular season – and defeating Joe Flacco and Alex Smith in the playoffs. That’s my prediction. Just gut feeling there, and half glass full stuff seeing as I’m a Niner fan. But, imo, elite, franchise QB’s win championships.
We talk baseball, other sports, music, movies, BBQ and whatever (except politics or religion)
Atlanta Braves RSS feed
Previous entries »
Send a feedback technical issue
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution