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P'cola Brave
January 12th, 2012
8:40 pm
If there is no trade for a SS then I doubt the Braves will make a trade.
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
8:42 pm
Couch Tater, I found it. What’s hilarious is that Nunez isn’t nearly enough for a pitcher like Jurrjens, even with an injured past. Nunez just isn’t very good….now that’s a return I wouldn’t be happy with.
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
8:52 pm
And it’s also funny that we have been hearing rumors for almost two solid months. One heck of an offseason!
Couch Tater
January 12th, 2012
8:54 pm
Lots of question marks about Jair. They will probably get the best return at the deadline, if he shows good first half results. Of course, if the Braves are playing well, they may be reluctant to make a trade. May depend on the young guys performance, whether in AAA or out of the bullpen. See: Medlen
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
8:58 pm
If there is no trade for a SS then I doubt the Braves will make a trade.
Given that it’s January 12th, I’d agree with that. Jurrjens is set to make around 5 million in 2012. If he’s traded, what exactly are you doing with the money? Cody Ross? I don’t see that. And as of right now, they have around a 87ish million payroll for 2012.
tiger297
January 12th, 2012
8:59 pm
nolie – but with real baseball games I cant say…dude its only an hour plane ride
tiger297
January 12th, 2012
8:59 pm
it probably is in someone’s airplane just not mine
Couch Tater
January 12th, 2012
9:05 pm
Given that it’s January 12th…
Braves signed Lowe on January 12th, 2009. Blog happy.
VaBravesFan
January 12th, 2012
9:09 pm
Looks like the Marlins are going hard after Cespedes, Also reports still say the Nats are on Fielder still too.
Couch Tater
January 12th, 2012
9:15 pm
Given that it’s January 12th
January 12, 2008, Braves get this guy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSSEQyBQ27M
VaBravesFan
January 12th, 2012
9:16 pm
Also with Fielder not having that many ideal suitors, don’t be surprised if the Marlins get more interested. Fielder could be looking at a short term contract for a very high salary. You have to figure the Mariners will offer the best deal, but he doesnt want to play for them.
VaBravesFan
January 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
I could see Prince signing in Seattle if he has a Opt-out clause after 1 or 2 seasons. Maybe he can make them a contender and if not, he can re-test free agency. Prolly be more st base openings in a few years.
keylargo
January 12th, 2012
9:22 pm
Whats irks me is when they (National Media) say ATL is a terrible sports town. Well this blog is pretty active for a team that didn’t make any moves and it being the middle of January and baseball.
Yeah, but we’ve got a whole bunch of bloggers who need to be DFAed.
VaBravesFan
January 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
I guess it’s fun to discuss things that will never happen for a few months. lol Wren has had a nice vacation, I mean off-season…
VaBravesFan
January 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
While I’m happy Wren didn’t give in and trade Prado or Jurrjens for crap, I’m not happy we haven’t signed a solid bench player. I’m sure we have around 2 to 4 million to spend. Upgrading over Diaz/Constanza or adding a solid backup 3rd baseman or a veteran Shortstop, one of those should have been done. Also Wren has said several times, he doesn’t need to make a trade to free up money… But then again he’s said Pastornicky isn’t ready only to change his mind weeks later. So whatever. I know the offseason isn’t over but up to this point, it seems Wren is content on hoping everything that went wrong last season changes for the better.
My top 2 Free agent targets still remain Wilson Betemit and Cody Ross. Common sense moves that upgrade this team and most likely will be in our ballpark in terms of price range. Longer they are free agents the lower the price drops. They are improvements over Diaz/Constanza or Sutton
Frank Wren
January 12th, 2012
9:45 pm
To Braves fans:
We want to assure all of you that we are going to have a very competitive team for the upcoming season. This offseason was a success in that we did not “need” to make a trade because what we need is already here. Nothing offered to us was anything we were willing to consider. We value our players very highly. We look forward to the upcoming season and we hope you all do as well. Buy your tickets now at braves.com and you may even choose your own section to sit in! Join us at Turner Field where you can purchase Braves gear, hotdogs, peanuts, cold beverages and a competitive Braves team on the field. It is a great product that you and your family and friends will cherish for a lifetime. Join us will you? Please?
Sincerely,
Frank Wren
keylargo
January 12th, 2012
9:49 pm
I’m sure we have around 2 to 4 million to spend.
I not sure the Braves can sign a “solid bench player”, a back up SS and have anything left over for Moylan. Are the Braves still talking about signing him too?
Jbailz
January 12th, 2012
9:50 pm
I’d be interested to know how many on this blog are outside of Atlanta area and can’t make home games
keylargo
January 12th, 2012
9:53 pm
I’m 800 miles away. A very, very hard drive in a day. I’m jealous of people like Tiger with his airplane.
VaBravesFan
January 12th, 2012
9:54 pm
keylargo
I said 1 of those should have been done. As of right now no free agent Shortstop is worth signing. I’m sure Hicks could produce just as much at the plate and provide solid defense as a backup. But I think the options of Cody Ross or Wilson Betemit are common sense upgrades. Either of them would reduce the playing time of Diaz of Constanza which is a positive. Either Ross plays LF when Prado is at 3rd or Betemit plays 3rd and Prado stays in LF fulltime. Sign 1 of them. Moylan made 2 million last year, they were not willing to pay him 2 mil for 2012. He’s looking at a deal under 1 mil with incentives from us. Maybe another team will gamble with more gaurenteed money.
VaBravesFan
January 12th, 2012
9:56 pm
well i’m calling it a night. goodnight.
Fredi Gonzalez
January 12th, 2012
9:57 pm
Braves fans,
You know what, I’d just like to echo Mr.Wren’s comments above. We love our team. You know we almost made the playoffs with this same group and I have no doubt we’ll be at it again this season.
Sincerely,
Fredi G.
Couch Tater
January 12th, 2012
10:08 pm
Given that it’s January 12th…
January 12, 1967 – New York Jets defeat the Baltimore Colts in Superbowl III. 43 years ago.
I watched it on TV. We had two stations and one of those rooftop antennas. A twitter happened when the wind blew the antenna.
“Ah, the durn TV’s twitter’n, again. Namath to Maynard wunnit?”
Rob from SC
January 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
The fact of the matter is the Frank Wren wants a better player than Nick Punto…. Whenever Wren call a GM for a trade they ask for Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, or Minor. Wren is being smart and patient. We are still 3 months away from opening day
keylargo
January 12th, 2012
10:27 pm
Tater – do you remember when the Braves started playing on WTBS and how confusing it was since it was on Channel 17. I mean I’d never heard about anything except 2 – 13. Turned out you had to have a special antennae for UHF and it was never good reception in Athens. My Dad got cable TV when it first came out and I was in paradise from then on watching the Braves.
Wide Right
January 12th, 2012
10:39 pm
“You wonder why fans can’t get involved with players, because they are here and gone,” Johnny Damon said.
I understand why Damon is upset and don’t blame him…but I find that line to be kind of ironic. Few players in baseball history have meant as much to a group of fans as he did when he was with the Red Sox. He was the hero of the greatest comeback in playoff history against their most hated rival and a very important member of the Red Sox first WS win in nearly a century. Red Sox fans couldn’t have been more “involved” with Johnny Damon…and he left them for THE YANKEES…over a few million dollars more. He had every right to do what was best for him, at the expense of Boston fans…but, at the end of his career, its a little weak to criticize the Rays for doing the same thing to him and the fans in Tampa.
DS1
January 12th, 2012
10:45 pm
Wide Right
It’s a business………… and it’s time Johnny learned.
DS1
January 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
“there’s more NL clubs in on Fielder”
I’m guessing this is Scott Boras spin.
richbrave
January 12th, 2012
11:04 pm
WINTER BALL
AUSTRALIA
PERTH HEAT
1B MATT KENNELLY [.276 BA] 2-3, 1 R, 1 HR [6], 2 RBI [24], 1 BB, 1 SO.
No BRAVES played in other leagues today.
richbrave
January 12th, 2012
11:08 pm
So has JACK WILSON signed yet?
keylargo
January 12th, 2012
11:14 pm
RichBrave – how wonderful it would be if we signed Jack Wilson, he beats out Pastornicky and goes on to have a year like he did in 04. BA .308/ OBP .335/. SLG.459/ OPS .794 and made the All Star team.
Just dreaming I guess.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
11:15 pm
do you think we will do as well as Wilson, Richbrave?
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
11:17 pm
I’m pretty sure that were are not going to get enough back from either Jurrjens or Prado to make a trade worthwhile so Wilson might be it.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
11:19 pm
Pastor 266/330/360
BosnianBaller
January 12th, 2012
11:20 pm
Frank Wren does nothing and still gets paid. Not bad for him
tiger297
January 12th, 2012
11:30 pm
not much going on tonight…
tiger297
January 12th, 2012
11:31 pm
when its sleepy time down south…
DS1 – I can’t claim it gotta give haggard credit
Paul S.
January 12th, 2012
11:39 pm
DOB/CR
I heard earlier (from DOB) that there was some interest in Carlos Lee of the Astros … is there still interest in him? Are there still talks going on for any of the other rumored names (Jones/Smith)? What about Cody Ross? The rumor mill hasn’t even been turning at all for a while now. I can’t remember the last time the Braves didn’t add a player to their 25 man roster through trade/FA in an offseason. I’d assume it been at least twenty years…
haggard
January 12th, 2012
11:39 pm
“He’s done a day’s work. Fix a fire”
I can’t claim it. gotta give nolie credit.
I merely adopted it following a long absence from the blog this past summer when, with blog chemistry in mind, I welcomed tiger’s adoption, so long as he types it in Louis Armstrong’s voice.
richbrave
January 12th, 2012
11:46 pm
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
11:15 pm
do you think we will do as well as Wilson, Richbrave?
How do you mean? Not sure I understand your ?
key largo:
Yeah, let’s dream together because this line-up can’t afford an automatic out as bad as A-GON was most of last year at the end of the batting order . An occasional HR with his OBP ? JACK WILSON won’t hit HR’s, but he just might muster a better OBP if he gets some PT. Hard to do worse and call yourself a ML player in the OBP department at least. What was it….270? And 22 BB/ 126 SO with the majority of his whiffs with men on, and the 15 mostly solo HR’s.? I mean, yeah, the rook and WILSON COULD do worse, but it’s hard to imagine.
richbrave
January 12th, 2012
11:51 pm
Sorry folks. Gotta’ catch some z’s. Back ‘atcha manana. NYTOL.
uga-brave
January 13th, 2012
12:27 am
wayne, wiffle ball? as soon as you said electrical tape on the ball you got me.
we used to load that ball with electric tape.
for us, it was three man teams.
pitcher, catcher, and a outfiielder second base type guy.
the tree was first. you could lead off, but if the pitcher caught you while you were in the stretch and beaned you, you were out.
first to second was a long way. we called pitchouts..
right field was always dead. (automatic out.)
plus in my backyard we had the red monster. the house next to us. in left field.
hit the wood halfway up automatic double. hit it over dinger.
hopefully, you hit it all the way over if not the roof caught it and it was 50-50 whether or not the gutter got it.
plus we had flood lights in my back yard and we played all night, unless we went all ron gant and pulled it into our down stairs den.
uga-brave
January 13th, 2012
12:30 am
wayne, and yes we had stats. summer days. pretty sure wifflle ball has been replaced by x-box.
Venice Jim
January 13th, 2012
12:37 am
The best wiffle ball I ever played was in the rounded end of the Sunken Gardens at William and Mary, which had a perfect outfield fence. Other than the night when the Queen’s Guarde tried to run us off so the could practice (we were taking up maybe 10% of he area) it was perfect…
Venice Jim
January 13th, 2012
12:39 am
When the leader actually placed his hand on the hilt of his sword perhaps it was a harbinger of comments I would make here when I asked if he was planning to run us through…
uga-brave
January 13th, 2012
12:44 am
vj, nothing better then the perfect wifflle ball field. it has to have that fenway feel. has to have a short porch and a long power alley.
Venice Jim
January 13th, 2012
12:48 am
My brother and I (occasionally with others) played interminably in our large side yard. We both became relatively adept at switch-hitting, because we played actual lineups of the time and batted from the appropriate positions. I don’t think we carried that over to the pitching side of things, however…
uga-brave
January 13th, 2012
12:51 am
vj, we used to have to hit opposite handed until we hit a dinger. once you hit a dinger you could turn around.
pitchers hand on defense.
Ward
January 13th, 2012
2:56 am
Hello everyone! I see Wren is still sticking to his guns.Sometimes the best moves are no moves mad.
Ward
January 13th, 2012
3:23 am
I found out that Wren,has invited Ernesto Mejia 26 year old first baseman to Spring Training,and if he doesn’t make the club? He has a shot to back up Freeman if Freeman gets hurt,so the Braves have some depth now at first base.Even though Wren hasn’t made big moves he’s made some pretty good depth moves to deepen the Braves system.
Ward
January 13th, 2012
3:35 am
All in All It bright for the future,and Braves are getting younger instead of getting older.I like the Braves Chances,and looking forward to a Braves seasons.All have a good one,and peace…….
ncgary
January 13th, 2012
4:48 am
i realize politics is taboo
but whats up with mississippi former governor barbour.
what a lunatic
Steve from OH
January 13th, 2012
6:04 am
What’s hilarious is that Nunez isn’t nearly enough for a pitcher like Jurrjens, even with an injured past. Nunez just isn’t very good….now that’s a return I wouldn’t be happy with.
This is just years of frustration over dealing prospects finally coming out, Efrim.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 13th, 2012
6:06 am
Kill’er mommy. Kill her. Don’t let her get away.
I won’t Jason
Steve
January 13th, 2012
7:43 am
For new owners the fans do pine;
Who focus less on the bottom line;
Liberty does not care;
How the Braves do fare;
As long as they save a dime.
Ease
January 13th, 2012
7:50 am
Cute.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 13th, 2012
7:50 am
keylargo
“I’m 800 miles away. A very, very hard drive in a day. I’m jealous of people like Tiger with his airplane. ”
A lot of people who live out of state use the Blog as the Braves diary…Ya know the blog to a lot of out of state Braves fans is the Current version of the old TBS before they Sold out and tried to become like FOX…
Nuff Respect to D.O.B. and C-Roge for the work they do and keepin us Braves fans intact!
Couch Tater
January 13th, 2012
8:02 am
My Dad got cable TV when it first came out and I was in paradise from then on watching the Braves.
Key – Lucky you. My father was uh, fiscally conservative.
Dad: “Just put some aluminum foil on the UHF antenna…and turn that radio down! ”
Me: “Okiedokie, but the radio signal is coming out of my Silvertone amp. I think it’s the airport!”
Runnin
January 13th, 2012
8:04 am
DOB, Jim’s comment at 6:24 has to be bogus. Nobody’s grammar is that bad.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 13th, 2012
8:06 am
Chippers Best Baseball Cards???
1992 Bowman
1992 Upper Deck, Braves Prospects
1994 Fleer Ultra Rookie Card
1997 Upper Deck Griffey’s Hot List
1993 Upper Deck SP
And Many others
flange1
January 13th, 2012
8:12 am
Couch,
HA! I Know the radio coming out of the Silvertone or Fender or Vox amp!
It still happens in my house built in 1940!
Tough to use reverb in some rooms because of the RF interference…
Efrim
January 13th, 2012
8:17 am
Mark Bowman: http://markbowman.mlblogs.com/2012/01/12/braves-might-be-thankful-to-keep-both-prado-and-jurrjens/
Braves might be thankful to keep both Prado and Jurrjens
There have been numerous times during this offseason when I have been convinced the Braves would eventually trade either Martin Prado or Jair Jurrjens. Early on, there was reason to wonder if the Rockies would eventually package one of their young outfielders in a deal to acquire Prado or Jurrjens.
By the time December’s Winter Meetings concluded, there seemed to be a greater possibility of the Braves striking a deal with a pitching-hungry team that had not landed Mark Buehrle, C.J. Wilson or Yu Darvish. The belief was that once these pitchers were unavailable, there would be greater interest shown in Jurrjens.
The theory made sense. But over the past month some of these pitching-hungry teams have shown they believe their were better options – Mat Latos, Gio Gonzalez and now Hiroki Kuroda — than Jurrjens available.
So with a little more than five weeks remaining before the start of Spring Training, I’m now leaning toward believing both Prado and Jurrjens will be with the Braves at the start of the season. Yeah, I know I jinxed it, right? They’ll now probably both be dealt by the end of the weekend.
But seriously, I just don’t see it happening now. The Braves entered this offseason thinking they would only trade Jurrjens or Prado if they were blown away with an offer. As Spring Training nears, the odds of this kind of offer being made lessen.
It made sense for the Braves to at least evaluate what they might get in return for these arbitration-eligible players. But they might have been a little optimistic to believe Prado and Jurrjens still possessed the kind of value that would warrant a significant return.
Coming off a frustrating injury-plagued season marred by a staph infection, Prado still has the potential to hit .300 with 10-15 home runs on an annual basis. And his value increases when he once again becomes versatile infielder who primarily plays second base or third base.
Some clubs including the Tigers and Rockies have shown interest in Prado, but not enough to provide the Brave the kind of return they are seeking.
The same can be said in reference to Jurrjens, whose trade market value quickly diminished once his right knee became a problem after the All-Star break. Still I think it would have made more sense for the Reds to gamble on Jurrjens’ knee than Latos’ makeup.
But it really doesn’t matter what I think. The only thing that matters right now is that it appears both Prado and Jurrjens could be with the Braves at the start of this season.
This brings us right back to where we were in early November, when we discussed the great gamble the Braves would be taking if they traded either Jurrjens or Prado.
It’s great to have Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado and a wealth of young starting pitching. But with Brandon Beachy and Mike Minor the Braves projected rotation already includes a pair of pitchers with less than two full seasons of experience. This combined with health-related questions surrounding Tim Hudson and Tommy Hanson seemingly only increases the need to keep Jurrjens around a little longer.
Prado will never provide the kind of power clubs often hope to receive from a corner outfielder. But few will be surprised if he quickly regains the form that equates to consistency at the plate and the ability to produce the kind of quality at-bats that he produced before struggling with his confidence this past summer.
Some believe Prado’s struggles were a product of fatigue and others within the Braves organization believe he struggled under the direction of former hitting coach Larry Parrish. Either way, he was not the same guy he had been the previous few years.
After watching Prado take a number of first-pitch fastballs down the plate, a baffled Braves coach asked him what was happening. When Prado replied that he was “looking for (the pitcher) to hang a curve”, the coach walked away even more baffled.
In more ways than one, it was obviously a lost season for Prado.
Efrim
January 13th, 2012
8:23 am
As Spring Training nears, the odds of this kind of offer being made lessen.
Totally agree. Big trades happen prior to Christmas. Not in January. Free agent signings? Sure.
But over the past month some of these pitching-hungry teams have shown they believe their were better options – Mat Latos, Gio Gonzalez and now Hiroki Kuroda — than Jurrjens available.
Red Sox.
Couch Tater
January 13th, 2012
8:24 am
Flange – Me too.
By the age of Eleven,
I was smokin’ a 12AX7,
The distortion was free,
and I got high on fidelity.
flange1
January 13th, 2012
8:28 am
Pretty good Couch!
Nothing like the smell of a burning 12AX7 (or AT7 for hat matter) in the morning!
Couch Tater
January 13th, 2012
8:34 am
flange – Any interest in a ‘55 Pro?
Ray
January 13th, 2012
8:37 am
I think one of the keys in the Bowman article is that the Braves have not made the trades with Tigers, Rockies because the return in their opinion was not good enough. I personally do not have a problem with this at all. I would rather see Wren not make a deal then get taken in a trade. The advantage for the Braves with JJ and Prado is, if you are not willing to give up a relevant return, then we will hold on to our guys. They are valuable.
flange1
January 13th, 2012
8:37 am
Couch,
Yes! Email me at flangebox@yahoo.com
Nasty Dawgy
January 13th, 2012
8:45 am
Blogs gone stale… Need a new one.
Nasty Dawgy
January 13th, 2012
8:48 am
I think Prado is a bench player. You need .300 25 100 out of LF. Prado MIGHT give you .280 12 60
Efrim
January 13th, 2012
8:51 am
Roch Kubatko of MASNSports.com reports that trade talks regarding Adam Jones “are intensifying again.”
When Duquette made those comments about them not really looking toward an extension for him, it kind of made sense that they could trade him…..
What I really don’t want to have happen is the Braves trade one of Teheran, Delgado or Vizcaino for Jones – that’s just awful, imo.
richbrave
January 13th, 2012
8:52 am
Ray:
Agreed right down the line. No more LOWE FA deals. No more TEIXEIRA trade deals. If the pendulum doesn’t swing our way, we’ll play with what we’ve got. Heh!
Efrim
January 13th, 2012
8:53 am
Prado is not a bench player. He would be an above average 3rd baseman and I think people are just looking at the LF spot. Just think of Uggla as your LF then.
Efrim
January 13th, 2012
8:56 am
I’d rather trade 2 years of Jurrjens than 6 years of either Teheran, Delgado or Vizcaino, that’s for damn sure.
richbrave
January 13th, 2012
8:59 am
EFRIM:
Agreed. ADAM JONES is now worth a poor trade to appease the fan-base, to satisfy upper management? I don’t think so.
I would not consider JONES equal to any one of the big three let alone PRADO, JONES and two prospects. A TEIXEIRA trade for someone with potential nowhere near MARK’s? Fa’ gid’ da’ ‘boud dit!
richbrave
January 13th, 2012
9:02 am
How about BEACHY for JONES straight up?
Efrim
January 13th, 2012
9:04 am
How about BEACHY for JONES straight up?
After the season Beachy just had, that’d be a huge overpay, richbrave. 5 seasons of Beachy does not equal 2 seasons of Jones. I’d rather trade Delgado than Beachy.
Efrim
January 13th, 2012
9:05 am
Brian Roberts doesn’t look like he is starting the season in Baltimore. Just sayin…
Arkansas Transplant
January 13th, 2012
9:06 am
I still think the best trade partner would be the Tigers. I’m going to stick by acquiring a package of Jackson, Castellanos and a prospect or 2 ( Fields, Flynn).
flange1
January 13th, 2012
9:09 am
Don’t see any benefits of trading for Adam Jones.
If we could trade a package like what we traded for Bourn then OK, but none of the 3 Amigos, no Minor, no Beachy.
Maybe JJJ straight up, but I still think that is an overpay.
I am not a fan for trading for a guy that has played in the Majors for a couple of years and we are not to look at his stats but look at his potential?
Jordan Schafer has a ton of potential too.
flange1
January 13th, 2012
9:10 am
Heck, richbrave’s grandson has a ton of potential, but I don’t want to trade JJJ for him.
Not yet anyway!
unbelieveable
January 13th, 2012
9:11 am
Adam Jones doesnt upgrade the Braves. He’s overhyped. A lot of talent, but not worth his asking price.
CB
January 13th, 2012
9:11 am
Adam Jones says he is open to extension talks with Orioles. PLEASE!
Lew
January 13th, 2012
9:12 am
Transplant – If a deal like that were going to happen, it already would have. By this time they know what they can expect to be offered for either Prado and Jurrjens and they ain’t selling.
I still think it was a situation like putting the entire team on waivers to see what interest there is. They found out – some interest, but everyone wants it all for next to nothing and the Braves aren’t having any of it.
RC
January 13th, 2012
9:13 am
AT,
That’d be a great package, but I doubt that Detroit would go for it unless we are including a lot more on our side.
richbrave
January 13th, 2012
9:14 am
flange1
Right now he’s on the injury list too. Concussion. Elbow to the face in tuesday’s basketball game. O.k. then it’s BEACHY for JONES.
Arkansas Transplant
January 13th, 2012
9:15 am
but everyone wants it all for next to nothing
Boy, isn’t that the truth after hearing some of the ridiculous offerings?
flange1
January 13th, 2012
9:15 am
Concussions suck rich, make them BE CAREFUL with his return!
unbelieveable
January 13th, 2012
9:15 am
Nasty, a healthy Prado gives you an .810-.830OPS which is just fine for LF.
richbrave
January 13th, 2012
9:18 am
These chucks think they’ve got the BRAVES over a barrell. Too many good arms, not enough position players.
BTW, my curiosity regarding you guys has been satisfied. I would not consider JONES for BEACHY either. JONES hasn’t proven anything to me as an ORIOLE. Arms are worth more than position players anyway.
Arkansas Transplant
January 13th, 2012
9:20 am
RC, yeah we’d have to be pretty creative on our side but I think it could be done. Although I doubt it will.
Arkansas Transplant
January 13th, 2012
9:22 am
Adam Jones isn’t the solution for the price the O’s are throwing out there.
richbrave
January 13th, 2012
9:22 am
flange1:
In regard to last night’s ball-game in which my grandson naturally wanted to play, “You see that logo you’re wearing {UVA]? I’m not going to let you screw that up for a basket-ball game. End of discussion.”
Efrim
January 13th, 2012
9:26 am
Maybe talks are intensifying because the Orioles asking price is down? I believe Rosenthal’s quote was that “talks were fluid” but that the Braves didn’t want to part with any of Minor, Teheran, Vizcaino or Delgado.
RC
January 13th, 2012
9:36 am
I didn’t notice this until today, but Dave Cameron actually wrote an article last week addressing the gap between the Braves fans’ view of Adam Jones, and the Orioles front office’s view of him. Without any comment of whether I agree or not (which I’m still thinking about), here it is:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/adam-jones-unfinished-product/
TennesseePaul
January 13th, 2012
9:41 am
Another way of looking at the trade is would you be happy with him now at the contract it would have taken to sign Teixeira?
This is an entirely unrelated point. The discussion of the trade and his value at time of trade is the issue. Everyone knew the Braves weren’t going to resign him. The real other way of looking at this trade is, would you rather have Kotchman or the extra draft picks the team would have had they held on and let him walk in the off-season? Just about any thing would have been a better return than Kotchman for Teixeira. Wren handicapped himself in those talks by demanding a first baseman back instead of simply aiming for the best talent in return.
BAMABRAVE
January 13th, 2012
9:42 am
Wren mentioned when he aquired Bourne that he wanted to add speed to the Braves. IMO, that would mean that he’ll look at guys like Jones and others to add to the mix of the Braves. It’ll be interesting to see just who he adds, if anyone, before ST.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 13th, 2012
9:42 am
Finally watched Moneyball last night. The movie is very entertaining to the point of being overly likable, especially when considering the subject material (baseball). But I actually liked the book better as the film didn’t go into the same richly detailed subject matter of statistics.
Of course , I totally disagree with Beane’s ignoring the importance of great defense. Which has killed many an A’s team in the playoff’s. However, hits + walks does lead to more base runners, which leads to more runs scored. In turn driving up pitch counts, getting into opposing teams bullpens earlier while seeing more inferior pitching. Of course, all Beane really did was reinvent Whitey ball with a better statistical analysis.
BravoMan
January 13th, 2012
9:43 am
There’s always room for depth isn’t there?
We can’t do nothing(double negative) all offseason…
Arkansas Transplant
January 13th, 2012
9:44 am
I’m not exactly sure where Jones would improve this club.