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Efrim
January 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
Mike ((Pittsburgh))
The Pirates appear to be waiting (again) on the next group of pitchers to reach the majors (Cole, Taillon, Heredia, McPhearson). Does it make sense to deal McCutchen in the next year to get multiple pieces that have the same expected ML arrival date? Doesn’t sound like they’ll get McCutchen signed to an extension that will cover some FA years.
Klaw (3:38 PM)
They’re not shopping McCutchen, but they will listen, because he wants Justin Upton money and they don’t want to give it to him.
That’s absurd. Upton got 6 years/$51.25M (2010-15)
signed extension with Arizona 3/3/10
$1.25M signing bonus
10:$0.5M, 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M
Very fair for a player like Cutch.
DS1
January 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
The Rev
Take your pick: 0,1,2,4,7or 9 are still out there. 3 is retired. 6 soon will be. and FF has #5, and Rossy has #8.
CB
January 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
Matt,wasn’t trying to be snarky. I guess if I have to explain the joke it must not have been funny.
flange1
January 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
If the Pirates will listen on Cuth, I would go after him. I would include JT and sign Cutch to an Upton contract and be VERY happy….
DS1
January 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
Efrim
Very fair. So who would we offer that would be acceptable?
Burrito time…………. later folks.
brian
January 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
1st rounder could be a Gilmartin or Minor one year then the second round should be a high ceiling player, best available. The better players in the draft can be surprises. Trout slid in the draft. With the Braves signing Teheran and Delgado, plus getting Vizcaino by trade they have 3 high ceiling pitchers. Makes sense to try and get some can’t miss #4 type starters, especially lefty. Minor has surprised people with his velocity and could become a good #3 as well. gilmartin may even have better tools than Minor. Now it is time to replenish the lower minor leagues with this next draft instead of the overwhelming college players
keylargo
January 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
Enter your comments here
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 12th, 2012
3:48 pm
Where All My AC DC Fans At?
Please Stand Up!
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
Very fair. So who would we offer that would be acceptable?
Wait until next offseason when we need a CF. But having Heyward, McCutchen, Freeman, Uggla, McCann for 2013-2015 seasons is a very exciting thought.
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
And that’s why fans should be okay with trading Jurrjens to strengthen the farm system. Those prospects could be used later on(as in, next offseason) in trades for impact bats. Or make it hurt less by trading one of the young pitchers we have.
DAP
January 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
dont take #7.
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
If the prospects are highly regarded, of course.
RC
January 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
Would you sign McCutchen to an Upton contract if it means you don’t have the funds to sign Heyward or Freeman to an extension when the time comes?
I think that money would be very fair for McCutchen, and Pittsburgh could do a lot worse than committing to him for those amounts. However, I think that price would be a bit too much for the Braves, since they’d not only have to sign him to that contract, but give up some HUGE trade pieces in order for the right to do so, as well as give up future flexibility that could be needed for some of their developing players.
Chokin in the Atl
January 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
I see that the Falcons didn’t want to dissappoint Brave’s fans by winning so they choked too!……..Next are the Hawks!………………The Brave’s losing the wild card seems like eons ago!
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
RC, all depends where they are at. That’s why I think they’ll have a better idea on a lot of long term decisions after this season. They may want to go all in on a guy like McCutchen.
ncscoots
January 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
But having Heyward, McCutchen, Freeman, Uggla, McCann for 2013-2015 seasons is a very exciting thought.
Leave room out there for Adam Milligan. I got a feeling.
RC
January 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
Efrim,
Good point. There are many reasons that McCutchen is much more likely to be available next offseason instead of this offseason (not that either is likely). They are:
1. He’ll be one year closer to free agency, making the Pirates more willing to trade him.
2. He’ll have one less year of team control, pushing the cost of acquiring him down.
3. The prospects that would be involved will have another year of development, taking away a year of the guesswork in what they “might” become, and putting them a year closer to what they “will” become.
4. The team will have a better idea who they need to keep at all costs, and who is expendable.
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
4:25 pm
Red Sox signed Aaron Cook, Carlos Silva and Vincente Padilla as Triple-A depth, I suppose. They still haven’t done anything to the #4 and #5 spots in that rotation. Daniel Bard got hurt when he was a starter at UNC, and profiles so much better as a reliever. I’m sure they’ll sign Kuroda or Oswalt, though. Doesn’t look like they had much interest in Jurrjens.
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
Leave room out there for Adam Milligan. I got a feeling.
Hah! Given his age, I’m sure he starts in Double-A this year. If he could just put together a full season in a corner outfield spot, it’d be great. I still consider him a top 15 positional prospect for us, which I suppose isn’t a great endorsement.
sri
January 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
Efrim, regarding trading draft picks, did you see this note in Verducci’s article? Hopefully they will soon expand this to all draft picks..
“7. The June draft will look very different. It will cause teams to spend less money (the industry, which spent $228 million on bonuses last year, has $185 million to spend on the first 10 rounds), encourage many high school players to go to college (the ones who formerly received big bonuses in late rounds), prompt quicker signings (the deadline this year is July 13, about a month earlier), and allow draft picks to be traded for the first time (but only the 12 “competitive balance lottery” picks and only during the season). ”
http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/01/03/2012.developments/index.html?sct=mlb_wr_a3
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
sri, I forgot about that – thanks for posting. I gotta see if all in effect. It will be interesting to see what it does to the draft. I didn’t like the new rules, but it may very well benefit a team that doesn’t spend a ton like the Braves.
ncscoots
January 12th, 2012
4:30 pm
If he could just put together a full season in a corner outfield spot, it’d be great. I still consider him a top 15 positional prospect for us
hard to hype the guy, when he’s only been able to play 150 or so games, total. Still, as I said, I got a feeling.
Might be just that sopapilla I had, but yaneverknow.
MFin04
January 12th, 2012
4:45 pm
Heyward is an anomaly – The guy could end up being one of the best players in the NL. Or he could be an injured riddled player like a Greg Oden or a flop like Jeff Francoeur, maybe a mix of both.
GREG
January 12th, 2012
4:55 pm
If the Braves were serious about improving the 2012 team they would’ve by now. They’re looking to 2013 to try for it. Ridiculous considering it wouldn’t take much improving to make the Braves a serious threat to the league this season. Guys that will surely get way too much paying time are Matt Diaz and Hinske. Neither is consisant and Diaz is really just, well, bad. Prado will be doing a lot of 3rd base work because the soon to be 40 year old, injury prone Chipper. I personally think it’s dumb….if not now then when??
Lollygagger
January 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
F*** Jobu. Heyward do it himself.
New year same old song
January 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
Keep swinging old man, maybe you can go out on top..Go Braves
DS1
January 12th, 2012
4:59 pm
GREG
But in 2013 they will probably be without Chipper, or he will be 1 year older. I don’t believe they are thinking beyond 2012 now. Or maybe better stated, I don’t think they are writing off 2012.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:00 pm
I expect Jason to bounce back some. perhaps 780-820?
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:02 pm
talking about them writing off this season is pretty foolish, that has never been their approach.
jim
January 12th, 2012
5:03 pm
Naegle was traded to Cinncinnati for John Hudek …etc
So. He was a big winner for the Braves for 3 years and the comment was about the Schmidt trade not the later trades. Ibelieve that Brett Boone and Sanders were also part of that Hudek -Neagle trade and they were later traded for other players — The acquisition of Boone and Sanders did not turn out as well as expected, but the Braves did make the WS in ‘99 for the last time in the run.
DS1
January 12th, 2012
5:04 pm
Looks like Al Horford is down with a shoulder injury until April or later………….
Ouch!
DS1
January 12th, 2012
5:06 pm
ZWacky
850+ for J-Hey
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:11 pm
850 is awful good now days, I’ll be happy with anything over 750 myself
Sopheee
January 12th, 2012
5:11 pm
I knew it was something bad when he went down last night. Ugh, that means more Zaza.
DS1
January 12th, 2012
5:19 pm
ZWacky
850 is only an OBP of 380 and a SLG of 470. This is very doable if he is healthy and reverts to his early 2010, preinjured form.
Seattle Braves
January 12th, 2012
5:21 pm
Eric Hinksie has been the work hourse the Braves wanted or they wouldnt have sign him AGAIN.
Plus his nick name that I gave him 2 years agao is “The Kevin James of Baseball” It will catch on
Bat Masterson
January 12th, 2012
5:22 pm
.295/.395/510 for Heyward
Bat Masterson
January 12th, 2012
5:23 pm
790 runs scored for the Braves this year.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:24 pm
weren’t all that many 850 hitters last season DS1, only 30 so in all baseball. Is he capable of that, maybe he is, but I’m not going to count on it or assume he will be in the top 5 % this season coming off such a relative poor 2011
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 12th, 2012
5:25 pm
Matt Diaz’s OPS the last three years:
2009 – .878
2010 – .739
2011 – .625
Matty’s no lock to make the team in 2012.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:25 pm
whatcha drinking Bat?
Seattle Braves
January 12th, 2012
5:25 pm
Would it take one of our pitching prospects and JJ or Prado to land McCutchen?
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:26 pm
more salary dump coach?
GREG
January 12th, 2012
5:28 pm
I never said they were writing off 2012. I mean they could, with a solid piece or two, be serious threats to the league. I honestly believe with the team as it is right now is hanging on a wing and a prayer for a wild card spot. I know it isn’t smart to operate in a manner that “teams in our division have improved, so we have to counter”. But in a way I think because the amount of times you play these team within a season that it’s smart to go out of your way to improve an area or two. Trading Lowe to open a spot for Teheran or Delgado was an improvement, I agree with that. LF when Prado is covering 3rd, and getting a more sure thing than a kid who’s never played an inning in the bigs are things I would certainly upgrade. Isn’t Pastornicky said to be a pretty poor defender?
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:28 pm
a good bit more than that Seattle. for one thing both JJ and Prado will make as much or more more than McC the next two years so they would have no interest. Think lots of high level prospects
Bat Masterson
January 12th, 2012
5:28 pm
Kool-Aid, Z.
I indulge heavily in January and February .
Carroll Rogers
January 12th, 2012
5:29 pm
an FYI….remember the new rookie development week the Braves hosted about this time last year at Turner Field? They won’t be having it again this year. They’ve decided to have it only every few years….Last year there were so many guys there, 25-30, that there’s really not much of a need to do it again this quickly. ….But it was a big success for all involved, giving the young prospects a chance to get a feel for the Braves clubhouse, hit in the cages and on the field, and meet with some of the Braves players, coaches and staff, etc.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 12th, 2012
5:30 pm
ZWacky, more like eating another two million if Matty flops in spring training.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:30 pm
more cheapness
Patio Daddio
January 12th, 2012
5:30 pm
For those interested I was sent this message. An abridged version of the Pastornicky interview will be posted at
http://www.facebook.com/MLBNetworkRadio by the conclusion of today’s show.
Patio Daddio
January 12th, 2012
5:32 pm
Hi Patio,
Follow MLB Network Radio on twitter. We post audio on Twitter:
@MLBNetworkRadio
Thanks for listening.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:32 pm
that’s what I meant coach. though I think Pittsburgh is paying about half of that so maybe just one million or so
BraveDan
January 12th, 2012
5:32 pm
Carroll, would the braves or angels consider a teheren for trout swap?
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:34 pm
I bet that the Angels would not, at least not even up. which would probably mean that the Braves would not either
Patio Daddio
January 12th, 2012
5:36 pm
RT @MLBNetworkRadio: Rookie @Braves SS Tyler Pastornicky discusses the pressures of the starting job on “Inside Pitch” AUDIO: http://bit.ly/zgHyrt #SXMSports
GREG
January 12th, 2012
5:36 pm
Coach, Matty just isn’t an option you can go into a season counting on as much as I believe they will be. That is my opinion, but unfortunately I believe strongly it will be a fact not long into the season when it is obvious the guy is near useless on a baseball field. Swing at everything with eyes closes hoping to find a hole type luck wears off. One of the worst defenders in the league, also. Unfortunately Eric Hinske was pretty bad much of all last season and not just towards the end of it as seems normal for him.
Seriously, are the Braves considering any of this, or crossing fingers hoping these guys can swing a lucky stick for as much as they’ll be counted on. And don’t get confused here either, they WILL be counted in pretty heavily as I wrote above. Chipper frightens me to no end with injuries. Wow, a number 3 hitter with the way he shapes this lineup and not knowing when he’s going down just has to give upper management a few sleepless nights.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
5:39 pm
That is my opinion, but unfortunately I believe strongly it will be a fact not long into the season when it is obvious the guy is near useless on a baseball field. Swing at everything with eyes closes hoping to find a hole type luck wears off. One of the worst defenders in the league, also. @Greg
hyperbole alert!
DS1
January 12th, 2012
5:44 pm
Thanks Patio, sounds like a good kid.
GREG
January 12th, 2012
5:44 pm
Martin Prado is no Chipper Jones. Not even close. Good little player who is pretty damned valuable to have on a team, but the presence Jones still brings in that number 3 spot cannot be replaced, at least not by any guy on the team right now. I think they really believed this time a year a year ago that Heyward would be penciled in the number 3 spot by now. Unfair to him and, in a way, to the fans. I can see some scrambling going on now that they see Jason is just an ordinary 21 year old who is trying to adjust to the life of a big leaguer and the cherry on top is the injuries stalling this process. Got to be really tough for him.
Patio Daddio
January 12th, 2012
5:45 pm
Over 3/4 of the Pastornicky interview was left out on the Twitter feed
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 12th, 2012
5:47 pm
Personally, I like Matt Diaz but he’s really limited. The guy’s a corner outfielder, bench player, who can’t play defense, run well or pinch hit effectively.
So when I see an elite defensive outfielder like Rick Ankiel who plays LF, CF, RF equally well with some pop off the bench, who runs well and still a free agent……I can’t take this 2012 squad seriously.
Bat Masterson
January 12th, 2012
5:57 pm
I doubt the seasons make or break point will be Matty D verse Ricky Ankle.
flange1
January 12th, 2012
5:58 pm
Patio,
Thanks for the link to the interview with the Rev.
He sounds like a good kid, I am looking forward to watching him play.
ZWacky
January 12th, 2012
6:00 pm
Ankiel was as bad last season as he was with us. he is a poor hitter and lefthanded to boot, can’t agree with that pick up
Lew
January 12th, 2012
6:28 pm
You can’t take the team seriously without Ankiel? Seriously? Ankiel adds zero legitmacy. He’s a glove and that’s about it. Last three seasons -
2009- .231, .285, .387
2010 – .232, .321, .389
2011 – .239, .296, .363
Yep, just what we (don’t) need.
Bat Masterson
January 12th, 2012
6:47 pm
Ankiel killed the blog.
jeffrey d (The Lion King)
January 12th, 2012
6:51 pm
It was probably just Urban Meyer
Ray
January 12th, 2012
6:53 pm
nah Bat, he swung right thru it
Ray
January 12th, 2012
7:00 pm
there are rumors now that the Nat’s will NOT sign Fielder. IF he doesn’t go there, where will he sign, Texas?
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
7:03 pm
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
#yankees still in contact with kuroda & oswalt (plus trade partners) after meeting on e-jax, who is in the picture too
Wonder if the Yanks are still interested in Jurrjens. Part of me thinks, as TenneseePaul said, the earlier comments publicly were to bash his trade value. We still don’t really match up with them, given their system strengths are catching and starting pitching.
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
7:05 pm
CF prospect Mason Williams is a player, though.
Too bad he is far away and probably untouchable.
Carroll Rogers
January 12th, 2012
7:08 pm
BraveDan, wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.
DS1
January 12th, 2012
7:15 pm
The Fielder situation is certainly a puzzling one. The idea of going back for 1 year and waiting out the Dodgers on the surface sounds like a good idea.
I think that might be his best bet, then fire Boras!
Clint
January 12th, 2012
7:16 pm
It is certainly true that Chipper’s playing ability has declined. But, is it safe to say that it’s time for this future hall of fame member to call it quits? Absolutely not. Chipper has produced many key hits in the past two to three years for Atlanta. He displays tremendous knowledge of the game as well as leadership. Yes his paycheck may be large, but so is his heart for the game and his competitiveness throughout each and everyday. We’re witnessing, perhaps, the greatest Atlanta Brave of all time. His numbers do not lie. He’s one of the best switch-hitters of all time.
And for those who think Chipper isn’t playoffs material, read this: He has got his team to 11 post-season appearances. That’s being clutch in my opinion, even it’s not in the playoffs. It takes more than one player to win a world championship. Chipper does his share, do not try to argue that.
Play on Chipper!
Bat Masterson
January 12th, 2012
7:17 pm
Poor Prince. If he was a half-ass shortstop he would have a job by now.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 12th, 2012
7:19 pm
Lew, I knew it. You don’t baseball from softball. Rick Ankiel isn’t about offensive numbers, he’s about the run prevention his glove and arm prevent. Ankiel’s an elite defender, something you and many other knuckle heads who blog here don’t have one frigging clue about.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 12th, 2012
7:22 pm
Lew, I knew it. You don’t know baseball from softball. Rick Ankiel isn’t about offensive numbers, he’s about the run prevention his glove and arm prevent. Ankiel’s an elite defender, something you and many other knuckle heads who blog here don’t have one frigging clue about.
Bat Masterson
January 12th, 2012
7:23 pm
All glove, all arm, outfielders are a dime a dozen, dude. If you are going to use one at least pay him the league minimum.
Ray
January 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Prince can probably get his big dollars from the mariners. he just doesn’t want to play there. Or Boras has him holding out for a better location.
Frank Wren
January 12th, 2012
7:37 pm
Of course! Ankiel was the answer all along! Duh!
McFann O O o
January 12th, 2012
7:40 pm
Lew a knucklehead? Wow…he coulda fooled me…
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
7:47 pm
Rick Ankiel isn’t about offensive numbers
Exactly, which means he’s a 4th outfielder and defensive replacement. He can’t get on base and can’t hit LHP. Ankiel is very limited.
jeffrey d (The Lion King)
January 12th, 2012
7:49 pm
Ankiel is very limited.
Which is clearly why he is the glue that would hold this team together.
VaBravesFan
January 12th, 2012
7:56 pm
I almost rather have Ankiel over Matt Diaz… Just have zero confident in Diaz being a productive major league player. Atleast Ankiel provides great defense and a awesome arm.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 12th, 2012
8:00 pm
@Coach…
I’m So Against Stankiel especially when we Already have The Bourne Identity and Heyward out there…
Stankiel Can’t hit water if he fell out of a Boat
Patio Daddio
January 12th, 2012
8:02 pm
If Lew is a Knucklehead I want to be one too
jeffrey d (The Lion King)
January 12th, 2012
8:03 pm
Well his point was that Ankiel’s good defensively and would be coming off the bench….
nolie
January 12th, 2012
8:09 pm
Wonder if the Yanks are still interested in Jurrjens. Part of me thinks, as TenneseePaul said, the earlier comments publicly were to bash his trade value….Efrim
I believe the Yanks have absolutely no interest in JJ. Cashman was very specific that he saw him as a injury risk. He did not need to say that and it would make him look silly to say something that negative and then turn around and sign him.
I keep telling y’all that no GM in his right mind is gonna trade anything of value for JJ. That has been seconded by several different writers over the last month. I can practically guarantee you that if we trade JJ you will not be happy with the return.
Couch Tater
January 12th, 2012
8:11 pm
Hey Lew,
About time for you to give a comprehensive report on going to Spring Training. Best time, seats, autographs, etc., etc.
You’re asked this every year, so you might as well start now and be ready to paste it again.
CB (and others) – Chime in
where to pick upyour thoughts, as well.Here’s the schedule beginning with Detroit, March 3…
http://springtrainingonline.com/teams/atlanta-braves-4.htm
nolie
January 12th, 2012
8:13 pm
poop on ST, I want some real baseball games RIGHT NOW!
P'cola Brave
January 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
I wouldn’t say that Diaz is completely washed up quite yet. He still hit .293 against LHP. Hes paid to hit LHP and he did for average. The biggest question is what happened to his power. 8 XBH all season is worrisome.
Couch Tater
January 12th, 2012
8:24 pm
nolie – I like the way you are already working out to be in tip top In-Game blog shape.
!!!
Disgusted
January 12th, 2012
8:25 pm
Given what is out there in free agency, I would like to see Pastornicky get a chance, hey, we really have not seen him play.
Some one mentioned Boston’s Jose Iglesias, but this guy cannot hit a lick. He better be beyond outstanding defensively, because he will be lucky to be an Eddie Brinkman or Mark Belanger at the bat. He will make his living with the glove. Offensively, if he can hit .250 with a .300 OBP, maybe he holds down a major league position if he is real exceptional defensively. A team like Boston which always features offense can afford a guy like that assuming he is a GG SS.
The Braves might not be able to afford that. Wren guessed right on Heyward in his rookie yr (I think he should bounce back at least some), Freeman last yr so why not Pastor this yr. What do you have to lose.
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
8:27 pm
Okay, nolie…….
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
8:29 pm
Cashman was very specific that he saw him as a injury risk.
I can’t remember his exact quote, but did he specifically say that Jurrjens was an injury risk?
Efrim
January 12th, 2012
8:33 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/25456/jurrjens-a-non-starter-for-yankees
11.21.11
A story this weekend suggesting a possible deal between the Yankees and Atlanta Braves that would ship Eduardo Nunez off for right-hander Jair Jurrjens caused a bit of a stir, but two team sources shot it out of the sky.
First was GM Brian Cashman texting me, “Don’t waste your breath,” when I asked about the deal, and then came another source, who insisted upon anonymity, and said, “Number one, we’re not trading Nunez, and number two, there’s concerns that Jurrjens has a serious knee injury.”
Disgusted
January 12th, 2012
8:34 pm
“there are rumors now that the Nat’s will NOT sign Fielder. IF he doesn’t go there, where will he sign, Texas?”
Guess he can take phone calls and fetch morning coffee for Mr Borass
Great question and maybe the owners are sick and tired of Borass’ stretch it to the last minute game.
Disgusted
January 12th, 2012
8:36 pm
Nunez is not enough for JJ, the Braves might as well hang on to JJ and see how healthy he, Hanson and Hudson are before making a move with a starter.
If we can be sure that Huddy and Hanson are right, then maybe you can move JJ. Of course you want JJ right too.
Couch Tater
January 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
Efrim…
By Wallace Matthews,ESPN New York, November 21, 2011.
A story this weekend suggesting a possible deal between the Yankees and Atlanta Braves that would ship Eduardo Nunez off for right-hander Jair Jurrjens caused a bit of a stir, but two team sources shot it out of the sky.
First was GM Brian Cashman texting me, “Don’t waste your breath,” when I asked about the deal, and then came another source, who insisted upon anonymity, and said, “Number one, we’re not trading Nunez, and number two, there’s concerns that Jurrjens has a serious knee injury.”
Couch Tater
January 12th, 2012
8:40 pm
Sad. If, I had the speed of Constanza.