12:30 am January 10, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
January 12th, 20121:22 am
And just for the record the 37 year old everyone still rips managed to make 137 games while the “young stud” made 127. — keylargo
With all due respect:
1. Yes, Garrett really was that bad in his one season with the Braves…..dob
very nice of you, dob, but keylargo has no respect due him.
January 12th, 20121:58 am
Did you run everyone off tonight?
All the better, I guess. When it’s sleepy time out west (creds given to tiger).
Oh, and hi Ward. Looks like no news tonight. Sorry I didn’t wait up for you.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 12th, 20122:49 am
G’night john boy!
January 12th, 20123:44 am
I’m just getting in after a few days away and am getting a chance to read the new goods. Seeing Chipper with substantial facial growth–and in the cage–makes me think of spring training.
Thanks. And Happy New Year
January 12th, 20123:50 am
And while we’re waiting for daybreak or a trade–which ever comes first–here’s a little something for those fans of the movie “The Great Escape”
January 12th, 20126:04 am
chipper is the best and most humble and honest person to ever put on a braves uniform!!!
January 12th, 20127:38 am
January 12th, 2012
Heh! Sez you. Sarcasm aside, my vote goes to DALE MURPHY.
January 12th, 20127:41 am
Top 10 in GB% since start of 2010: Jeter, Ichiro, Andrus, Pierre, Kotchman, Y. Escobar, Heyward, Bourn, Span, Gardner.
Interesting and kind of alarming for a supposed power hitter.
January 12th, 20128:04 am
In that ESPN NL East comparison article that Jeffrey Doo Doo linked to yesterday, the author said, “baseball history also tells us that players often make a huge leap from age 21 to age 22.” Does anyone have the facts/stats to back this up?
Heyward and Freeman both turn 22 this year don’t they?
January 12th, 20128:21 am
You can now own John Smoltz’s house…
Who says the Braves don’t pay?
January 12th, 20128:55 am
Best guess on remaining free agents…
Fielder – Nationals
Jackson – Yankees
Pena – Indians
Cordero – Angels
Kuroda – Red Sox
Kotchman – Rays
Ross – A’s
Oswalt – Cardinals
January 12th, 20128:58 am
Drool…..I know he hasn’t played a game above A ball, but reading about his skill set makes me think of Ozzie Smith. Hey, if he doesn’t pan out as a SS, they could always make him a relief pitcher. That’s what Sergio Santos did, and now he’s well on his way to becoming one of the top power bullpen arms in the AL.
January 12th, 20129:13 am
Even though Tyler Pastornicky is penciled in as Atlanta’s starter at shortstop for Opening Day, it is clear that Simmons is the best positional player in the organization, and his Gold Glove potential gives him an edge over the competition as the future shortstop in Atlanta.
Yeah, I’d agree that he’s the best positional player in the org., and that’s kind of concerning…..
Seriously though, I hope the bat continues to progress and he handles Double-A pitching as well as he did in Lynchburg. It would be huge for them if he can be at least solid-average with the bat, given his defensive skills.
January 12th, 20129:16 am
Is the 2012 season over yet?
January 12th, 20129:21 am
Coach – Only in the minds of the malcontents.
January 12th, 20129:23 am
Using really become shopping forwell created reports for ones research study Ive been focusing on after i appeared to look for your own house. Cheers of this helpful material! USPS – Cheyenne (Main Office)
January 12th, 20129:24 am
January 12th, 20129:26 am
I am still not sure what the Red Sox are doing with their middle infielders and 3B.
Starters Youklis 3B, Scutero SS, Pedroia 2B
Backups Nick Punto, Brad Emaus, Mike Aviles
AAA? Jose Iglesias, Will Middlebrooks, Oscar Tejada
I though that Iglesias was ready to play SS now!
Seems to me that they have too many players like the Braves have too many pitchers.
I know Youk may be hurt, but I wonder if there is the basis for a deal with the Braves in there somewhere.
January 12th, 20129:29 am
Iglesias can’t hit, flange1. He’s really not ready with the bat. He believe he didn’t even OPS .600 at Pawtucket. He needs more time, I think.
January 12th, 20129:30 am
Jim @6:24 January 11 – Unbelievable comment. Your ignorance is palpable. You now qualify as the first member of the Numbnutz Hall Of Fame…and in leu of the competition, that’s quite an accomplishment. You have elevated “moron” to a new level. Congradualtions.
January 12th, 20129:31 am
should be “Congradulations”.
January 12th, 20129:33 am
Coach – What a sad guy you must be.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 12th, 20129:34 am
Strike two, RBF!
January 12th, 20129:37 am
Hugo – What was strike one ?
I know that Iglesias has had trouble with the bat, but he has been up at least the last 2 years, and was supposed to be a can’t miss guy.
Has the luster been removed from him as a “prospect”? I am guessing his star is falling.
That is what I worry about with Delgado and JT going back to AAA, that their value will diminish by being pushed back to the minors.
January 12th, 20129:39 am
raleighbravefan, one more and he’s going to pull your man card.
January 12th, 20129:41 am
AT – I’m not sure what either strike was for, but I’m not too concerned about my card, one way or another.
January 12th, 20129:43 am
You tried to correct your misspelling of ‘congratulations’ with another misspelling…
January 12th, 20129:44 am
flange – If Delgado and JT do get sent back to AAA for a while, the reasons will be obvious. You con’t need 7-10 guys in your starting rotation at one time. I’m not too concerned with their value eroding.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
Word on the Streets (Per Leo Mazzone on 680AMTheFan) is that Jason Heyward has lost 15 lbs and is already working out with the new hitting coach…? Any Validity to this rumor
I don’t think Heyward has weight issues to feed the need to drop a few lbs, but I do think however that he was injured/hurt more than he led team officials to believe?
January 12th, 20129:49 am
Ease – Thanks. Fingers moving faster than brain today. I would be embarrasssed, but it’s a natural progression of age…Just ask Chipper, and those who are ready for him to retire. I also readily admit to being the world’s worst speller.
January 12th, 20129:52 am
flange1, there was always questions with the bat. But I think they thought he was going to at least hit enough……but I don’t think it’s going to happen. He’s still quite young, but I don’t think he’s ready for an everyday role.
January 12th, 20129:53 am
raleighbraves – jim as the First Inductee? Come on now – he has too few posts at this level – way too small a sample size to be first among Numbnuts. Besides, hasn’t he been taking posting enhancing substances? There are much more worthy first inductees to the Numbnutz HOF. You wasted your ballot.
January 12th, 20129:56 am
Tomahawkin – I think he was hurt more than we were led to believe. Whether the team was mislead, or they didn’t really want that information out, is speculation.
NFL is required to give out injury reports in some detail every week. This is for the benefit of gambling, although they would never say that. NHL teams closely guard their injury information, revealing only if a player has an upper body or lower body injury. This is for the protection of the players, to prevent opponents from targeting the said injury.
Baseball seems to have no consistant standard for disclosing nature and degree of injuries to players.
January 12th, 20129:57 am
Nobody likes a spelling cop, but I just couldn’t resist, RBF
January 12th, 20129:58 am
Lew – That probably was an overreaction to an incredibly stupid post. I will defer to your superior blog knowledge. The competition is truly mindboggling.
January 12th, 201210:00 am
I guess I have to apply for a new blog name. (”Jim” – not at 6:24 on Jan. 11).
My only comment yesterday was to wonder whether Mark Trumbo and Izturis might be available for a package including Prado and JJ. Trumbo can play LF. I saw the comment you referred to and it was not mine.
If someone is using my blog name, can you delete them, Dave.
January 12th, 201210:02 am
Hugo – Hey, I accept in in the spirit it was intended. All in good fun (except when it’s not). I Actually got a laugh out of it myself, when Ease explained my error. Even though I attempt to proofread, I will always have my share of types and misspellings.
raleighbraves – There are so many “First Ballot Inductees” worthy of the honor that far outshine the (not real) Jim. As bad as his post was, there is always Stinky, Dentz, The Drooling Fool, etc., with much more claim to HOF credentials.
January 12th, 201210:03 am
Damn, I can’t find my kool aid…….:)
January 12th, 201210:04 am
Real Jim – Jim is a common name, so it may have been unintentional. If someone using my name (especially on purpose) made a comment like that , I would be pissed to the highest pisstisity.
January 12th, 201210:06 am
First, good morning.
I listened to an interview with Greg Walker yesterday and he said Jason has started to work on hitting with him and Scott Fletcher. He refused to go into specifics as to what they are doing, saying that Jason had to learn to trust them and understand that there is science behind what they are asking him to try. In a nutshell, sounded like they are just getting started
I’ve also heard about Jason losing weight and agree that he didn’t seem to need it. Maybe he’s trying to increase his base running speed?
January 12th, 201210:08 am
January 12th, 2012
Well yea, only five at a time. However, the average major league team will use 8-9 starters during the course of the entire season. Our rotation is eight deep at the moment.
January 12th, 201210:09 am
Coach – So what. The beer at least gives you cans to throw at your TV.
January 12th, 201210:10 am
Anybody know whats wrong with this picture?
January 12th, 201210:11 am
Don’t drink beer or kool aid
January 12th, 201210:12 am
Actually, the rotation is ten deep. Hanson, Hudson, Jurrjens, Beachy, MInor, Teheran, Degado, Martinez (starter until he came to Atlanta), Medlen and – if necessary, Vizcaino. Not to mention their has been speculation that Gilmartin may be ready later in the year for a call up.
January 12th, 201210:13 am
Coach – Or anything else? That would explain the dried up view of the Braves you have. Could be extreme dehydration.
Whats Happening Chief
Thanks For The 411…
January 12th, 201210:14 am
“Anybody know whats wrong with this picture?”
Other than JJ ahead of Hanson, seems pretty accurrate of how things stand as of now.
January 12th, 201210:16 am
Coach (2012 Fredi’s beisbol fandango)
January 12th, 2012
“Don’t drink beer or kool aid”
What about Crown?
January 12th, 201210:17 am
“Coach – So what. The beer at least gives you cans to throw at your TV.”
lol, He told me he stopped doing that during the middle of the season…?
Look again. There’s no back up SS, nor do we have a true utility player.
January 12th, 201210:18 am
And there is 27 guys…
Lee in S GA
January 12th, 201210:21 am
Lew – oh yes… memories of “The Drowning Fool” …years back I remember you and him had your rounds together. Of course the rounds didn’t last long before you would” knock-him” out.
Teheran and Delgado should start the year in Gwinnett because they could use some more time to work on their command and breaking pitches, imo.
January 12th, 201210:23 am
Not to mention their has been speculation that Gilmartin may be ready later in the year for a call up.
Yeah, he’ll finish this year in Gwinnett. I’d bet mid-season he gets there if all goes well. He would battle for a rotation spot next spring, if there were any openings. But there may be, never know.
January 12th, 201210:24 am
Luke Scott .225/.304/.384 in 621 PA on the road from 2009-2011.
Camden Yards. Stay away, Adam Jones.
January 12th, 201210:26 am
Drink mixers for me…..O.J, juicy juice( mango flavored) plus some V8 added for good measure. It’s got one hell of a kick and tastes great!
January 12th, 201210:27 am
Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, Beachy, Minor, Medlen, Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Gilmartin.
Anyone think there is a chance in hell that those 10 pitchers are still members of the Braves organzation spring of 2013?
Kind of a silly question, I know.
January 12th, 201210:29 am
As long as the season isn’t starting tomorrow, we have time to find a utility player. My guess is that Wren is going to see how things are shaping up early in ST with Sutton, Hicks, etc. and then see who may be available mid March or so.
January 12th, 201210:31 am
D.O.B Is the real reason that were not gonna go after Yoennis Céspedes, because he is represented by the Wasserman Group (The same agency that burned the Braves in 08 with the Furcal deal). And JS said that he would never sign a client from them again?
January 12th, 201210:32 am
ok my bad Carroll, Is the real reason that were not gonna go after Yoennis Céspedes, because he is represented by the Wasserman Group (The same agency that burned the Braves in 08 with the Furcal deal). And JS said that he would never sign a client from them again?
Coach – No backup SS or utility player. You do know it’s January 12, not April 5, right?
January 12th, 201210:33 am
Efrim, Jurrjens is gone for certain. Huddy, Beachy, Hanson, Minor and probably Teheran would make up the rotation. Delgado’s your sixth man with Vizcaino in the bullpen, and Gilmartin still in triple A.
January 12th, 201210:34 am
January 12th, 2012
Yep, and I also know that issues like these are normally taken care of by the end of December.
January 12th, 201210:39 am
Who cares what “usually” happens. I agree with the concept of player evaluation during ST, and adjusting the roster accordingly. I am confident we will field a competitive team on April 5.
January 12th, 201210:42 am
Anyone think there is a chance in hell that those 10 pitchers are still members of the Braves organzation spring of 2013?
Spring of 2013? Yeah. Wren will hold out at least until then so he can make a move for one of the many impact players that are available during Spring Training.
January 12th, 201210:46 am
Lee – Yep, plenty of memorable Numbnutz in the blog’s history. NL East and NL Vhamp was another one. Seemed like when the Mets were better, they were crawling out of every crack in the boards.
January 12th, 201210:48 am
Wren will hold out at least until then so he can make a move for one of the many impact players that are available during Spring Training.
Hah! Seriously. Anyone who continues to believe that big moves occur late-February to, oh, I dunno, mid-June, is the eternal optimist that I am not.
January 12th, 201210:49 am
keylargo: The Tex trade will go down in history as probably the worst ever, at least I hope so. So, generations in the future will always point to poor Frank Wren and describe him as the most inept GM ever.
Which will be very unfortunate since John Schurerholtz was GM and made the trade.
Not so fast there slick. I have no issues with JS’s Teixeira trade. Talent for talent.
My issue is with Wren’s Teixeira trade. He just gave him away for nothing. Worst trade ever.
What happened to MetropolitanMan? Didn’t he live in ATL?
January 12th, 201210:51 am
That had to of been a money driven trade on many levels. Didn’t want to pay the rest of Tex’s 2008 salary and didn’t want to pay for draft picks.
January 12th, 201210:53 am
Efrim – I think he lived just outside of the City. Grinch used to meet up with him for games and has’t heard from him in quite a while.
January 12th, 201210:55 am
Efrim – True to some extent…there are usually some big moves at/near trade deadline (ncluding Bourn and Pense in 2011). Thing is, most of us aren’t expecting any BIG moves this year. All necessary tweaking will occure before April 5 (probably during ST) in my opinion.
January 12th, 201210:56 am
Well, Kotchman certainly was no great shakes with the bat, but gave us a very inexpensive first baseman for a year, playing incredibly excellent defense. One error the entire year. Not as if we got nothing at all out of the deal – a deal for a guy we weren’t going to sign anyway.
Wow. I actually agree with 90% of that.
January 12th, 201210:57 am
I think it’s important to recognize Wren’s patience over these past few years. The Phillies have had a mini dynasty lately and I believe it is soon coming towards an end. The Braves are young and gaining experiance every day. While the Phillies are ageing and their team now is pretty much their team locked up for several years to come.
I’m excited about this club going forward and even more excited if we have a plethora of money to spend next offseason.
January 12th, 201211:02 am
Better yet, anybody think there is a chance in hell that at least 2 of them don’t see a significant injury before then?
January 12th, 201211:08 am
“What happened to MetropolitanMan? Didn’t he live in ATL?”
He’s Prolly Rocking a Yankees Hat! Mets Fans are Frauds!
January 12th, 201211:09 am
Hillbilly, How did you like the game? Defense looked really good.
Good point. I should of said members of org. or on the surgeons table.
January 12th, 201211:10 am
Anyone other than me hate the 2 Wildcards? It just makes it harder for the Braves to sneak past the Contending teams that get hot at the Right time (St Louis 2011, Colorado circa 2007, Houston circa 2004-2005
January 12th, 201211:11 am
“Better yet, anybody think there is a chance in hell that at least 2 of them don’t see a significant injury before then?”
Injuries are a part of baseball. But that’s the great thing about the depth the Braves have. No, they can’t afford to lose their top level pitchers for a long period of time. But they DO have suitable replacements for those 15 day DL stints.
No other team in the East can say that, and there’s no guaranty that 2 of the Phillies pitchers won’t go down or 2 of the Nats or Marlins pitchers. And they don’t have the same pool of replacements to draw from.
The starting pitching in 2012 should be solid, no matter what five we have out there. And the bullpen should be good as well. I would love to see the starters manage their pitch counts better and save some wear and tear on the bullpen. That’s my only criticism of the rotation. Pitch counts are way to high by the middle of the game. McDowell needs to work with them on that.
“Look again. There’s no back up SS, nor do we have a true utility player.”
There’s no MAJOR LEAGUE shortstop, period. Pastornicky is nothing more than a hope and prayer until he proves he can play and hold down the job.
This roster is a mess. Supposedly the strength of the team is it’s young pitching, yet the GM has assembled what could be the worst defensive infield in baseball. The outfield is woefully short of power and run production, and guys expected to be the big hitters (Jones, Uggla, McCann) were not reliable this past season. It looks a lot like the roster that just went 10-20 down the stretch, choking up a playoff berth in an epic display of futility.
January 12th, 201211:18 am
“Supposedly the strength of the team is it’s young pitching, yet the GM has assembled what could be the worst defensive infield in baseball.”
Check your stats that’s bogus. Freeman is a future gold glover, Uggla surpassed low expectations. Chipper can still hold is own, and you have no idea what Pastornicky could provide on te ML level good or bad.
Let me add: If addition by subtraction of AGon and Lowe was the solution, then WHY didn’t they subtract them (bench them) down the stretch last year? What has Pastornicky done this offseason to make him better now than he was on Sep. 15, 20, or 30? Answer: Nothing. Lowe had a bad year last year, but if Minor or one of the kids pitches 200 innings in 2012 who’s to say they’ll be better? They couldn’t get out of the fifth inning last September. Has to be proven, and at this point the only thing going for the Braves is a prayer for improved health and slow aging of the veterans.
January 12th, 201211:19 am
AT, I was impressed with the Hogs defense for once. What I wasn’t impressed with was Ronnie Wingo. Man, did he run softly. The TV announcers never mentioned Dennis Johnson’s absence. Did he take a helmet to helmet hit or something?
bravesfansince1982 – No other team in the East can say that, and there’s no guaranty that 2 of the Phillies pitchers won’t go down or 2 of the Nats or Marlins pitchers. And they don’t have the same pool of replacements to draw from.
The Phillies lost Blanton, Oswalt, Lidge and Contraras last year and never skipped a beat replacing them with Kendrick, Worley, Stutes and Bastardo. Don’t underestimate the opponents reserves and Minor League talent. However that said the marlins had no one to step in for Johnson.
Efrim: That had to of been a money driven trade on many levels. Didn’t want to pay the rest of Tex’s 2008 salary and didn’t want to pay for draft picks.
If true, that makes it even worse.
January 12th, 201211:22 am
Lew: Well, Kotchman certainly was no great shakes with the bat, but gave us a very inexpensive first baseman for a year, playing incredibly excellent defense. One error the entire year.
Correction Lew, the Crotchman never made an error with the Braves. 1.000% fielding his entire worthless time here.
It was nice to see the slick fielding. It was devastating to see absolutely nothing in return which would help long term. Back in that day teams weren’t quite as stingy with prospects as the are now. They liked them, but now they just don’t want to move them. Had Wren not insisted on a first basemen in return, and just aimed for best talent possible in return, the team would have made off better. That season was lost as it was. Stock for the future.
Efrim, January 12th, 2012, 10:27 am … “Anyone think there is a chance in hell that those 10 pitchers are still members of the Braves organzation spring of 2013?”
I’m pretty sure that Minor and Gilmartin will be. I hear they intend to add another polished college lefty in the next couple of drafts to join them.<g>
January 12th, 201211:23 am
Uggla was one of the worst defensive second basemen in baseball. Check your stats and the fielding “bible” sources. If you think Chipper is a plus defensively at third you know nothing about baseball. The shortstop (what shortstop?) – completely unproven. I’ve seen countless highly touted rookie shortstops over the past 50 years fall flat on their face or struggle mightily to get established at the major league level. Not saying Pastornicky shouldn’t get a shot, just that he’s being handed a starting job he hasn’t earned through competition.
January 12th, 201211:26 am
Well in all fairness to Pastornicky DawgDad. Fredi Gonzalez didn’t put Pastornicky in to find out if he could do anything. And Fredi was the one that just kept throwing D BLowe out there every 5th day to get hammered. Fredi was the one that didn’t make adjustment with his Bull-Pen and allowed them to get gassed out in the last month of the season. IMO F GON should be F GONE
Braves gave up 1/2 year of Texieria and a draft pick in exchange for a full year of Krotchman/Laroche and salary relief.
Not a good trade, but certainly not “worst trade ever.”
January 12th, 201211:27 am
Although it was prolly worse than the Soriano for Chavez, a sandwich pick (or whatever pick they got from Tampa), and salary relief.
January 12th, 201211:28 am
Back in that day teams weren’t quite as stingy with prospects as the are now. They liked them, but now they just don’t want to move them. Had Wren not insisted on a first basemen in return, and just aimed for best talent possible in return, the team would have made off better. That season was lost as it was. Stock for the future.
“The Phillies lost Blanton, Oswalt, Lidge and Contraras last year and never skipped a beat replacing them with Kendrick, Worley, Stutes and Bastardo.”
I was just focusing on the rotation, not the entire pitching staff. If the Phillies lose Halladay and Lee, would they have the same replacement success as the Braves if Huddy and Hanson go down? I’d say no.
January 12th, 201211:29 am
I hear they intend to add another polished college lefty in the next couple of drafts to join them.
They take another college LHP, and I am outta here.
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