12:30 am January 10, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
January 11th, 20122:34 pm
CTB, I think Ross has not signed yet because he has not received a 3 yr offer for which he seeks. Or if he has not for the money he wants. I don’t see a value of Ross at 3 yrs. 2 yrs max. Braves may have offer for him for 1 yr. With so many OF’s free agents next yr, that might be why he is seeking a 2-3 yr deal. IF he signs a 1 yr deal and gets lumped in with that group, he could be worse off than this year.
January 11th, 20122:35 pm
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Jimmy – yes, please tell him I’m scarred for life thanks to him, Ausmus and that brick wall at Orange Juice park.
which he sometimes ignores too much in my opinion
Yeah, but PDub could take a joke, even make one occasionally, and didn’t let his youthful arrogance totally consume him (as opposed to another of our acquaintances who shall remain unnamed, couteously). If he’s young enough to just be starting med school, there’s still hope.
January 11th, 20122:37 pm
So Lollygagger, what you’re saying is the Braves are lollygagging on Ross? ….oh, chuckle, chuckle. I think the leftover christmas hershey kisses i just ate hit the bloodstream.
January 11th, 20122:38 pm
some of that group will likely not actually make it to free agent and some are gonna be as disappointed as a few of the remaining ones this year are now I bet
Steve – that is residency. Enjoy medical school while you can, especially 4th year
Steve from OH
If he’s young enough to just be starting med school, there’s still hope.
There’s no hope. Med school, in general, makes people cynical, sleep-deprived, and ornery.
January 11th, 20122:40 pm
oh yeah I agree scoots, he was ahead of “unnamed” while he was still here, but still a little tunnel-visioned
brian–4th year is gonna be great, after my sub-I’s. And yeah, I’m already digging in for my many years of residency glory.
I brought this name up a few days ago on the blog, but then was rudely interrupted by work and had to leave the page and didn’t see if anyone responded… What about Mike Fontenot for a backup INF? I’m not positive, but I believe the Giants cut him to keep Keppinger didn’t they? He (Fontenot) can play SS, 3B and 2B and would come cheap at $1 or $2 million. Might he be a fit for this team? Only drawback is he’s another lefty. Anyone know if he’s signed anywhere and I missed it?
January 11th, 20122:41 pm
Niiice. Well played, ma’am.
January 11th, 20122:42 pm
Ross can play all three OF spots, has shown he can hit in the clutch and by all accounts is a really good teammate. If people like Jamie Carrol and Barmes are signing longer term deal with decent money than a guy like Ross should be able to as well, IMO. Now I know they play different positions, different demands, etc., but I still have a pretty good feeling Ross is waiting for the Braves to at least make him a decent enough offer. Maybe two years.,,,
just watch lots of the first few seasons of Scrubs Steve. It will teach you everything that you need to know to get through the ordeal.
January 11th, 20122:43 pm
I’d be very happy if we signed Cody Ross or Wilson Betemit. Both guy would reduce the roles of Matt Diaz and Constanza which I think is a good thing.
Sign Cody Ross and Macier Izturis and get to camp!
There’s no hope. Med school, in general, makes people cynical, sleep-deprived, and ornery.
This is going to be bad news, I know, but, the rest of your life can do that to you, also.
The trick is to not let that happen. Maybe med school’s intransigency immunizes you from the later slings and arrows, LOL.
January 11th, 20122:44 pm
Keppinger is a FA also. Not sure on Fontenot because I haven’t read anything on him. I thought he was more of a 2B then anything and can occasionally play 3rd. Don’t know about SS or when the last time was that he did it.
I used to give PWHjort all kinds of grief for his nerdness. Thing is he’d always come back at me with even more geekness than a man can handle. I liked him though. He was proud and one smart kid.
January 11th, 20122:45 pm
But I will say we have it pretty good these days, brian, with the 80 hour rule and so on. I can only imagine the crap you guys had to wade through to survive residency. Dunno if that rule is a good or bad thing, but it’s nice to know I won’t be abused willy-nilly like the old guys.
Or that I won’t be punched out by my chairman or taped to an IV pole (but I can’t confirm if these stories are true or not. But I don’t doubt it…)
January 11th, 20122:46 pm
I believe that stats are an important tool for evaluation teams and individuals. The better the stat, the more valuable it is.
I also believe that there is great value in scouting…evaluating with your eyes, using your knowledge and experience…and observing intangables that are hard to quantify.
Both components combined give you the best possible total evaluation.
Some here are way too invested in one point of view or the other. Their ranting makes them seem to be ignorant jerks, and makes some of us react in an irrational manner to those rants.
Sopheee – Gottcha. I’ll just keep a table between the two of us.
January 11th, 20122:47 pm
That said, I did pull 100-hour weeks on my surgery rotation and it wasn’t toobad.
120-hour weeks would be pretty miserable, though.
January 11th, 20122:48 pm
Fontenot has played 50 games at short it looks like.a few fewer than @ third. much more time @ second.
92 career OPS+
January 11th, 20122:50 pm
are you a hands guy or a brain guy Steve?
January 11th, 20122:51 pm
What would it take to pick up an Orlando Cabrera or Bill Hall? Maybe Keppinger or Theriot?
January 11th, 20122:53 pm
nolie–more hands-on, but I enjoy research and doing more than managing one thing on a patient and consulting for the rest, if you get my drift.
January 11th, 20122:55 pm
As we all should know, what a team feels is a good offer and what the player’s agent feels is a good offer sometimes can be world’s apart. So many factors there. Who knows, maybe Wren has a 7m 2 yr offer on the table. Look at Fielder, it has been reported that the Mariners have a big offer on the Prince but Boras is waiting for the Nat’s and others. Or along the typical Boras, he could be telling the Mariners, the Nat’s are close to signing. You need to bump it up to x millions for x yrs. Boras has teams bidding against themselves a few times.
J.D. or Turk???
January 11th, 20122:56 pm
It’s funny to me to read how all the blog regulars on here all day, every day, even after work hours and through the night into the early morning and even on the weekends stick together like a cult. Guys while it surely isn’t wiffle ball I teach I would still rather be doing that then this ALL THE TIME. No wonder DOB and many other sane regulars can only stand so much and leave only to check back from time to time only to see the same stat pushing, bloggers who either live in their parents basements, never played baseball only lacrosse, over 50 years old with bad backs and nothing better to do, etc. Guys you’ll never see me on here unless it’s during work hours to kill time. And for the one who posted that I wrote I won’t go down to your level because I’m better than that I appreciate the help as I didn’t call anyone a name and as they say the truth hurts. I was simply stating facts. Some of you need to go out and live your lives other than blogging all day every day even though I’m sure DOB appreciates the hits.
Where’s that list someone makes of most frequent blog posts? Much of the ones I’m talking about are on that list. You know who you are.
January 11th, 20122:59 pm
there is a “self-important, condescending maroon” list too.
January 11th, 20123:04 pm
Nominations have been closed. Winner selected.
January 11th, 20123:07 pm
Guys you’ll never see me on here unless it’s during work hours to kill time.
They let you blog while you’re flipping burgers?
January 11th, 20123:08 pm
not intentionally trying to be an antagonist, BravePack, but it’s a matter of freedom of speech and freedom of choice. The bloggers you mention have the right to speak their opinions in public, and you have the right to choose another blog to read. If it bothers you this much, perhaps you should practice your freedom of choice. Love it or hate it, that’s America baby. I kinda like it.
January 11th, 20123:09 pm
Damn, Efrim going for the jugular.
I wish I could blog while at work. That would be sweeet…
as they say the truth hurts. I was simply stating facts. _ BravePack
I don’t know about all that. What I have read is you expressing a great deal of opinion. Thats fine you’re entitled to them, as are others theirs.
Like your opinion Frreeman is, and will be, better than Heyward. Why don’t you go back and take a look at Heyward’s rookie year( at 20 years old) then Freeman’s. And since you evaluate what you see remember that Heyward went on the DL and played half his rookie year injured
I’m sure a baseball playing fool like yourself realizes how much ones thumb can effect ones swing.
January 11th, 20123:10 pm
“Linebrink, Sherrill, and Proctor losing A LOT more games for us and we don’t have the chance to have an epic collapse – MFin04″
Using these guys when behind or ahead by 4 runs would be the smart move, no? Fredi used Oventbrel whether we were down 2 runs late or up 4 going to the 8th. Thats poor managing and led to their fatigue.
All this, because he couldn’t understand that the Angels didn’t need to exhaust valuable assets to sure up their 5th starters spot. Not exactly on the list of “must to do’s”…..
January 11th, 20123:12 pm
I would suggest you consider the benefit of paragraphs, too.
Bay Area Steve
Let me try and address each of your points:
I don’t push stats, I don’t live in my parents’ basement, I played baseball, I’m under 50, my back is fine, and the guy who wrote about “going down to your level” was mocking you. I am also “stating facts.”
Oh, and this: you post more than I do.
Perhaps, and this is just a thought, rather than trying to win, you could hear what folks are saying. Nothing wrong with preferring eyes to stats. But, to disregard either is foolish. And, to be an ass about it is far worse.
January 11th, 20123:13 pm
of course if we are up by 4 and he uses a dink and we lose the lead, many vocal fans would be even more vocal than usual………
Don in TN
Speaking of blogerisms (Ease @9:22) I’ve noticed a few new potential classics lately:
“punching Judy offense”, those darn “fair weathered fans” in Atlanta, and this lousy team/manager/GM/offense/you name it has driven the “death nail” into the season.
January 11th, 20123:14 pm
Run the numbers on it, you’ll find that a batted ball has a much higher probability of a positive offensive result than a strikeout.
That should be a pretty easy problem to solve. Start with two columns and in the first one list all the ways you can score a run on with a strikeout excluding a passed ball or a wild pitch.
In the second column list a suicide squeeze and a sacrifice fly.
Batted balls wins 2 – 0. And there will be many more examples in column two you could have added.
I think what p’d him off even worse was you calling out his other identity. You know, the guy who showed up for the first time, wrote exactly like him, and stopped as soon as you called him out. That one.
January 11th, 20123:16 pm
Got to love the person telling people to “go live their lives”…on a blog. The reason people are here is because they enjoy the discussion and reading about their favorite team. Just because it’s on the computer doesn’t make anyon have more or less of a life…this is simply one of the ways many of us choose to spend our time. Nothing sad, or pathetic, about it at all. It’s simply what we choose to do.
January 11th, 20123:17 pm
unbelievable, and Fredi learned that from Bobby. If a man didn’t like Cox as a manager then having a much lesser experienced copycat will put them in a insane asylum.
Don in TN-
Add to your list: “I could care less…”
January 11th, 20123:18 pm
I agree but it’s the same bloggers day in, day out sticking together trying to prove their opinions as fact. It will never bother me to read how they respond to my comments and opinions as it means nothing to me and has no bearing on my thoughts, especially when talking about baseball. I enjoy reading what most regulars on here write most of the time but there are some who I just tend to look over when they post comments as I’m sure those same people do when I post which is fine. It’s all good after all we shouldn’t take this too seriously but some on here do…way to seriously.
January 11th, 20123:20 pm
I think its the same guy who does the dual/triple approach on a regular basis. condensation condescension is a staple too
Mountain Braves Fan
January 11th, 20123:21 pm
“To know what you know and to know what you don’t know is characteristic of one who knows.” –Confucius
Sadly, some posters just don’t know what they don’t know. But since Confucius said it, and he didn’t play baseball, it is bogus anyway, right?
January 11th, 20123:22 pm
Lou/Earl ? says many of the same things and uses the buddy approach too
Confucius played rugby. F’ him.
Confucius – another Lacross player. He was and idiot.
January 11th, 20123:23 pm
Confucius played rugby. F’ him.
January 11th, 20123:25 pm
ruggedby takes a lot of grit
Confucius always say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.
BAS – Ok, he played rugby and lacross. He was and F’in idiot.
January 11th, 20123:26 pm
I saw what Heyward did when healthy his rookie year and what Freeman did last year. Freeman will have a better career based on his approach and swing UNLESS Heyward changes his mechanics. I obviously want both to be great and probably will be but Heyward has a hole in his swing and while being injured may have attributed to some of that last year he still needs to adjust to how the pitchers have adjusted to him. I stand by my prediction through watching both players that Freeman will be a better hitter.
has driven the “death nail” into the season.
Yes, “Death nail” is a keeper. I don’t know if enough occasions will warrant it for it to become widespread, though.
I’ll sneak it in every once in a while, though.
January 11th, 20123:28 pm
scoots – Death nail could also be used in a game situation. You know, like giving up a run in the first. Instead of the usual “Ballgame”, one could use “Death Nail”.
January 11th, 20123:31 pm
I could care less because I’m a real fanatic.
January 11th, 20123:33 pm
Instead of the usual “Ballgame”, one could use “Death Nail”.
That would take conscious thought, and you’re talking in-gamers, after all. I think the world might reverse its spin and tilt if one of those threw a little “death nail” action at us.
But, yes, that would be an excellent usage, my friend.
January 11th, 20123:35 pm
I vow to death nail during the first regular season game. Promise.
January 11th, 20123:36 pm
“and Francisco pounds in the Death Nail. Braves win! Braves win! This crowd is going berserk, listen!”
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 20123:37 pm
[Instead of the usual “Ballgame”, one could use “Death Nail”.]
“That would take conscious thought, and you’re talking in-gamers, after all.”
I will Stick to the “Oh, Well, GAME OVER!” If we are facing a Pitcher with a 5+ era and making him look like 95 Greg Maddux
largo – you are a real looser..no doubt about it.
I will put out my lineup projections for 2011.
Bourn- .281/ 1/ 43/ .345 *56 SB
Prado- .288/ 12/ 60/ .367
Jones- .290/ 16/ 72/ .380
McCann- .302/ 24/ 86/ .377
Uggla- .258/ 34/ 102/ .328
Heyward- .270/ 27/ 84/ .368
Freeman- .267/ 22/ 75/ .339
SS is an unknown, obivousy
Seems odd to me the Heyward had no holes in his swing until he injured his shoulder. I would suggest that pitchers exploited a injury induced weakness.
January 11th, 20123:39 pm
With That Said, I’m Already Banking on a 1st Series Win In The Rotten Apple on The Opening Weekend in April…
Anythink less isn’t gonna fly because a lot of Newbies come onto the blog the 1st 6 weeks of the season for the hype….
At least you took what I said and didn’t respond back with bitterness. I can respect that. Too many closed minds and cold hearts in here… and almost all of them would have taken my post as a declaration of war. Cheers.
nolie @2:59 – Yeah, that’s a sub-category under the large “numbnutz” list that we talked about yesterday.
seems odd to me too, guy was renowned for his plate coverage
January 11th, 20123:41 pm
The best part about such a position: Heyward flounders = told ya so; Heyward succeeds = changed his swing. Shoot, even I could win arguments with this.
January 11th, 20123:42 pm
I like the predictions but Take 10 SB’s off of Bourne’s Total Because Bobby Lite is calling the Running game
And take away 5-10 rbi’s off of Uggla’s Total…Its a rarity nowadays for players to drive in 100 runs…When 10 years ago they grew on trees…
And I’m gonna drink the Kool Aid here and Hope that you are right about both Fab 5 Freddie and Heyward!
January 11th, 20123:43 pm
This is my favorite one: chew the fact. The guy that wrote it was a pre-madonna and I must have really ticked him off when I mentioned that we love a little foe paw now and then to lighten things up. Crime shame it is, four shore.
I just like to come on here from time to time and chew the fact with my buddies, and this fella goes and hurts my feelings…………….
like the predictions but Take 10 SB’s off of Bourne’s Total Because Bobby Lite is calling the Running game…Tomahawkin
Bourn ran at about the same rate in Atlanta as he did in Houston last year, he just was not as successful
January 11th, 20123:46 pm
Shoot, even I could win arguments with this.
There’s a name for this kind of two-sided conditional argument, but I’ve forgotten it.
So, instead, I’m just going with “horse-bleep”.
January 11th, 20123:48 pm
Did somebody call me?
January 11th, 20123:49 pm
“Bourn ran at about the same rate in Atlanta as he did in Houston last year, he just was not as successful”
Thank you Martin Prado. Lots of botched hit and runs.
There are a ton of free agents still left unsigned on the market. And many of them are very viable utility infielders, making for quite a logjam.
There are at leat eight infielders who look to be utilitymen, backups or perhaps part-time starters somewhere, and it’s like a game of musical chairs. At least a half-dozen teams, and perhaps one or two more than that, are looking for such types of infielders in the slowest-moving free-agent market in history.
Ryan Theriot, Eric Chavez, Aaron Miles, Jack Wilson, Orlando Cabrera, Edgar Renteria, Alex Cora and Craig Counsell are the eight infielders remaining on the market, and former MVP Miguel Tejada is playing in winter ball and hoping for a comeback. All offer something different.
January 11th, 20123:52 pm
@Heyman All offer something different.
Are there that many different types of warts?
Yep, that covers all the bases. I almost didn’t respond for that very reason. But hell it gets boring here in the basement.
January 11th, 20123:54 pm
“Lots of botched hit and runs.”
I heard this a lot last season, and I just disagree. I suspect that true, bench-called, hit-and-runs last year were close to nil. If a guy goes on his own, and I swing, I don’t think that’s a hit-and-run. Likewise, if skip sends the runner on a 3-2 count, I don’t think that’s a hit-and-run. Fredi sent anybody from first on a 3-2 count. Irritated the heck out of me. Prado running, McCann striking out, inning over. Just let us hit into the occasional double-play, would ya?
Thank you Martin Prado. Lots of botched hit and runs MF04
not so sure I buy that. since they were the same percentage as in houston they were likely mostly steal attempts
January 11th, 20123:55 pm
Those who think the south will rise again have never seen us try to deal with an inch of snow.
January 11th, 20123:57 pm
@ Bill Ladson of MLB.com hears that there’s a 99% chance that the Nationals will not sign Fielder.
I totally disagree. I hear that it was only a 95.75% chance they wouldn’t sign him.
But hell it gets boring here in the basement.
Just about makes me wish I had a basement.
“since they were the same percentage as in houston they were likely mostly steal attempts”
Same percentage of what? Bourn had a few bad calls on clear stolen bases and he did get caught in a few hit and runs which brought his percentage down if I remember correctly.
Either way, hopefully we have someone hitting behind him that will allow him to steal bases as well as hit the increased number of strikes that are thrown.
January 11th, 20123:59 pm
I heard it was a “99 & 44/100% pure” chance
January 11th, 20124:01 pm
like BAS I’m not buying into the blown hit and run theory very deeply. H as I said B4 his SB attempt per AB were about the same both places so there is a chance that they were meant as steals
So, you’re saying there’s a chance……………….
January 11th, 20124:02 pm
always a chance Wayne……except for getting outta here alive
January 11th, 20124:03 pm
so, you’re saying there’s a chance
January 11th, 20124:04 pm
Either way, hopefully we have someone hitting behind him that will allow him to steal bases
Bourn runs about one-third of the time when he reaches base, over his career. What do you propose that the 2 hitter does the other two-thirds of the time? Scratch his butt?
as well as hit the increased number of strikes that are thrown.
Maybe it was just my perception, but it sure seemed like we had more failed hit and runs last year.
Stat geeks, please investigate.
nolie, I never understood why Milsap didn’t just simplify his fraction, there.
that old Ivory ad % just popped into my mind when I read your post
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