12:30 am January 10, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
January 11th, 20121:06 pm
I bet you dollars to doughnuts that FW would tell you that the Kawakami signing was a mistake. And the Lowe signing, while working out pretty good for the first two years, in hindsight was not a good move. But it was a necessary move, after the fiasco that was out 2008 rotation.
And I do not begrudge either of these me (nor Mike Hampton or Chipper Jones) the money they have been paid. Nobody was twisting the club’s arm when those deals were signed.
And I have not pity either for Hanson and Freeman and Kimbrell and ALL the other guys who make minimum pay, and are worth a heckuva lot more. The system is what it is. It most definitely rewards the veterans.
Phillies top 3 starters are going 7 1/3 innings
Braves top 3 starters are going 6 1/3 innings
It’s a big deal over a full season.
January 11th, 20121:07 pm
DOB – I’m more than a little disappointed that you didn’t come through for me and DS1 with the caravan stop in Utah this year…
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
Our Weekend Home Schedule Sucks! The only home series we have at home on the Weekends against a Good Team is two series with the Phillies late in the season….
January 11th, 20121:11 pm
Noticed that you are dissing NYC. Is that just a dis of the teams, or do you truly not like NYC? Just curious.
I’m a small town guy myself, but I flat out LOVE to go to the big cities. Been to NYC twice and thoroughly enjoyed both visits. Love LA and SF and most of the other big cities I have had the privilege to visit.
“The only home series we have at home on the Weekends against a Good Team is two series with the Phillies late in the season”
Do you really want to see the Braves play a good team? Bring on the Pirates and Astros!
FWIW, check out these projections
Buerhle 3.98ERA 4.08FIP 4.8K/9 1.31WHIP $58mil over the next 4 years
Minor 3.83ERA 3.56FIP 9.39K/9 1.32WHIP $400K
I think a lot of people underestimate just how good Mike Minor is going to be.
January 11th, 20121:12 pm
Yeah, I was kinda bummed to learn I was not going to see Kris “My Little Pony” Medlen this year in SLC!
“The Rotten Apple” Is a Slang Term
And yes I use it as A Diss of the Teams and their fans up there
I gotta Throw Some Jabs At their Media with Their “Atlanta Is A Joke of A Sports Town!’ Crap They were spewing out a Week ago…
January 11th, 20121:13 pm
Finally woke up from your pill-induced sleep? Yeah I don’t think taking advice from a pill-popping poster who can’t sleep at night is a good way to go. In fact I’m not going to take anything you say as truth with the mind-set you must be in. Dude you were talking to yourself last night and answering your own questions…trying to be funny or not…not good. Get well buddy and then we can have a casual conversation or arguement about baseball. Hopefully you actually played the game though and not lacroose or soccer. Enjoy all your stats in the mean time.
MFin04 – Its a huge deal when you have an incompetent manager who burns out his best 3 arms by the Allstar break. Im praying Fredi learned from last years mistakes.
BravePack, truth is you are just as bad as the stat geeks who ignore what they see on the field. the stats are valuable, and have been apart of the game for over 120 years.
Yeah, but how many innings is Minor going to give us? Now that’s the big question.
January 11th, 20121:15 pm
[“The only home series we have at home on the Weekends against a Good Team is two series with the Phillies late in the season”]
“Do you really want to see the Braves play a good team? Bring on the Pirates and Astros! ”
Hell Yeah! Its Important that we play good teams on the Weekends when All The Fans Show Up!
Our weekend home schedule this year is horrible because we don’t play nobody!
If Im going to the Games On Weekends I wanna see us play the good teams with a Packed House Full of Rowdy Tailgating SEC/Braves Fans….
“Its a huge deal when you have an incompetent manager who burns out his best 3 arms by the Allstar break. Im praying Fredi learned from last years mistakes.”
Of course if he doesn’t burn out those guys arms we have Linebrink, Sherrill, and Proctor losing A LOT more games for us and we don’t have the chance to have an epic collapse.
January 11th, 20121:17 pm
Finally woke up from your pill-induced sleep? Yeah I don’t think taking advice from a pill-popping poster who can’t sleep at night is a good way to go. In fact I’m not going to take anything you say as truth with the mind-set you must be in. Dude you were talking to yourself last night and answering your own questions…trying to be funny or not…not good. Get well buddy and then we can have a casual conversation or arguement about baseball. Hopefully you actually played the game though and not lacroose or soccer. Enjoy all your stats in the mean time”
Ouch! Man! That was kinda cold, Don’t you Think?
“I wanna see us play the good teams with a Packed House Full of Rowdy Tailgating SEC/Braves Fans….”
SEC is no good. Just like Tebow. They never win when it counts.
DS1 – We need to gather all the Utah Braves fans and plan a HUGE trip to Atlanta one of these days and catch a few games. I’ve never been to one.
January 11th, 20121:18 pm
I’d heckuva lot rather see us against the Phillies or Cardinals or one of our division rivals than the lowly Astros.
January 11th, 20121:21 pm
“I’d heckuva lot rather see us against the Phillies or Cardinals or one of our division rivals than the lowly Astros.”
Yeh, I went to that Cardinals series last year. Wanted to see the nail in the Braves playoff hopes coffin. Indeed, that is exactly what happened. Actually a pretty good series, just revealed that we didn’t have enough of an offense to compete come playoff time.
Yup that about sums it up using one of your lines.
That’s unoriginal of you.
I have nothing left to argue with you about…a lacrosse player talking baseball. I’m so happy I was right on this one because I knew almost for a fact that you never played the game because you couldn’t.
Right. Because Lacrosse is an incredibly unathletic sport that requires no physical ability at all. That’s absurd, you must of never seen the sport. Hand/Eye coordination is pretty key in sport, as is being fast or having any sort of athletic ability.
You’re just another one of these numbers guys who thinks he knows the game by what he sees on a piece of paper or computer screen.
Thank you for admitting that I’m smarter than you.
I’ve played the game all my life and still do at 36 years old and teach kids including my son who probably has more talent at 8 then I had and you could only dream of having.
So you’re ability to play in your back yard with your 8 year old and teach kids who still watch Saturday morning cartoons make you a baseball intellect. Right.
Go back to holding your lacrosse stick in hand and looking at your computer generated stats to evaluate talent and we can talk when you pick up a real bat and actually learn how to play the game so you can evaluate talent the right way.
You still haven’t provided any reason for anyone here to think you’re not an idiot. But please, keep trying.
January 11th, 20121:24 pm
He’s a total dipstick. He has gotten his feelings hurt cause I told him yesterday in other words that he didn’t know jack about analyzing baseball.
But I wish him no harm. Not even a little back pain……….
I try to get out every year and catch either a series or a game or two in some nearby cities. Bummed they are not going to Seattle this year. I cover that area. I’ve seem em in Denver, SF and Arizona. Plus my folks are in SC so when I go back to visit, I try to get down for a game or two.
Some folks would be surprised at how many people out west are Braves fans. Many due to the TBS connection for so many years. But my barber is a huge Braves fan. Pulled for them in the 50s when they were in Milwaukee.
Hopefully you actually played the game though and not lacroose or soccer. Enjoy all your stats in the mean time.
Enjoy defeating your 8 year old son in wiffle ball.
The fact that the mlbpa and the owners are not only cordial but now for the longest time have been on the same page. Not too many leagues can say that. Back in 04/05 time frame, whenever the agreement was being negotiated, D Fehr was ready to play “hardball” once again. It looked like things were going to get ugly. Fehr was a bit arrogant to say the least which was part of his effectiveness and part of the problem as well. But certain players, Schilling, Glavine and a few others basically told Fehr you WILL get this deal done. If you don’t WE will get it done. That is the cliffnotes version but from that point on, the owners and the players association have been about what is best. A large number of players were and have been in favor of the drug testing for quite some time.
January 11th, 20121:25 pm
Isn’t lacrosse the clothing brand with the little alligators on it?
DAP is going to be so upset.
January 11th, 20121:26 pm
Hey now, they make wonderfully looking polo shirts?
January 11th, 20121:29 pm
He has gotten his feelings hurt cause I told him yesterday in other words that he didn’t know jack about analyzing baseball.
He definitely got his feelings hurt yesterday. I feel bad for him, sorta.
January 11th, 20121:30 pm
Gotta get me one of my Lacrosse shirts. My wife hates that 3/4 of what I wear has my company’s insignia on it. But what can I say, I’m a cheap sumbeach.
I hope when you are 20 years older you never have to experience a herniated disk. But if you do, then we can talk about pill popping and maybe you’ll know what the hell you’re talking about then. Nah, I doubt it………….
I kind of see you as one of those trivia type poindexters who lives by numbers and stats to evaluate everything he knows about the game. Tried to play the game because he likes the game but just didn’t have any talent. Never really saw time on the field so all you understand is numbers and stats. I bet I’m pretty spot on with this evaluation of talent.
I imagine you would lump me in that same crew, since I once saw a stat pack and did not run screaming from the room. Of course, I’m pretty sure that I actually played some ball, and against competition that probably would make you run screaming from the room. So, you’d be a little off in your “evaluation”.
Hey, nothing wrong with being a dinosaur, I got some of those same traits my own self. But this is probably the wrong place to be throwing out your baseball “experience” as a reason to diss other posters. Especially those who have built up plenty of cred in the forum as being knowledgeable about the game. Makes you look a little, oh, stupid.
January 11th, 20121:31 pm
I know this is a risk, but…how about trade hanson instead of jjj for k.morales from the alos,it could work …moving morales to the outfield and leaving mprado in his utility roll…we better trade jjj during the summer when he (hopefully) can prove his health and (another hope) can upgrade his value…ia really sad to see a guy who came from your minor league sistem depature but FW have to get real, if he wont change that pitching mechanic will blow out hanson’s arm sooner than later
January 11th, 20121:32 pm
efrim, nah, ill be ok. he would be redundant on our team, with hinske in the mix. but he is a heck of a hitter, if he is healthy. good for TB.
January 11th, 20121:33 pm
Haven’t heard that one in awhile. Must be the circles I move in.
January 11th, 20121:36 pm
That pejorative sounded like a little imprinting, to my ear.
January 11th, 20121:37 pm
If he’d just shut the hell up after about the 5th time of telling us he was right and we were wrong, I’d of probably left the guy alone. But instead of actually looking up stuff, he just kept on spouting his non-sense.
Hey, I’ve got the whiffle ball story for ya. When my oldest was about 3-4, he loved to hit the whiffle ball with that big fat plastic bat. Of course, whether he hit it or not depended on how well I timed and placed my pitches. Couldn’t keep the ball in our back yard.
January 11th, 20121:38 pm
DAP, agreed. Rays doin what they do.
scoots, holler. I often wonder why people are so scared of statistics…obviously WAR can be a little over the top, but to think using on base percentage and slugging percentage is “nerd” related, well, that’s a bit ridiculous.
January 11th, 20121:39 pm
Wayne, I’m sorry, but that’s a little insensitive, isn’t it, LOL?
January 11th, 20121:40 pm
Did I tell you guys about the time when I played with the NY Mets? Back in ‘69? You do remember “Wayne” Garrett dontcha? Well…………..
Steve from OH
It’s a big deal over a full season
If that’s true, that is a huge deal. I think it is important that our starters learn to be more efficient and go deeper into games, especially for guys like Beachy and JJ that don’t have a go-to out pitch to get guys with. Good hitters can battle them into deep counts.
Also, it’s been a problem of our team as well. We have a lineup that can do just that (battle pitchers, run up pitch counts, take walks), but we didn’t do that at all last year. Hopefully Walker can bring that attitude back–we can be really dangerous as a club if we are patient at the plate.
January 11th, 20121:41 pm
Wayne, I always liked playing wiffle ball with those diesel red bats. Ball would just jump off of the bat. My friends and I played fast pitch, however we were a few beverages deep whenever we’d start playing and it just used to get ugly out there.
It’s more sensitive than dipshyt isn’t it?
January 11th, 20121:43 pm
I hope the Braves were one of the teams that put a claim on Fernando Martinez. With Diaz/Constanza our main backup OF options, adding a former top prospect who is still only 23 years old would give us another option. Wouldnt be risky or expensive.
Wow, I step away for a few hours and I miss all of the excitement. We all know we shouldn’t let good facts get in the way of nonsense.
January 11th, 20121:45 pm
Also, it’s been a problem of our team as well. We have a lineup that can do just that (battle pitchers, run up pitch counts, take walks), but we didn’t do that at all last year.
Still baffled by last years performance and I haven’t been as ready for a season as I am this year. Really just excited to see how our guys bounce back and how the young pitchers fare. Also want to see how some of the prospects progress. Would be nice if some from the group of Simmons, Salcedo, Bethancourt, Drury, Ahmed and Lipka had big years with the stick.
January 11th, 20121:46 pm
I often wonder why people are so scared of statistics…
Unforutnately, it is just such attitudes that foist upon the rest of us the we-are-beleaguered-intellectuals crap from some sabermetrically-inclined folks. I can’t even watch the stats thing on MLBN, because of it; I end up just wanting to snatch a knot in the guy’s head and tell him to get over it.
Both extreme positions on the issue are deeply held to the bosom of idiots.
January 11th, 20121:47 pm
Gotta imagine that it signals the end of Johnny Damon in Tampa now that they inked Luke Scott.
January 11th, 20121:48 pm
I read 11/22/63. I enjoyed it, but for whatever reason I was not expecting it to be a love story. Probably because I did not read a summary first. My thinking about what might have been if JFK had not been killed is somewhat different that King’s. Then again I never factored in time travel.
When I was a kid, we played Little League like everybody else did. But practices and 1 game per week was not enough. And my folks wouldn’t let us play with a hard ball in our mill village back yards. So we doctored up the whiffle ball with electrical tape then masking tape (so mama didn’t know how hard it really was). And fortified this one heavy plastic bat we had (cut the end off, and put a rolled up newspaper in the barrell).
There was only 4 of us kids our age in the neighborhood. So we did simulated games. Pitcher/catcher/hitter/ump. It was all about the pitcher-hitter experience. I threw 2 no-hitters over the course of about 400 games over 2 summers. We kept written lineups and everything. My brother and I are sad we didn’t keep all that stuff. Those were the days.
January 11th, 20121:53 pm
DS1 – You cover them? What do you do?
January 11th, 20121:57 pm
scoots, agreed. I like being closer to the center on the stuff. Extremes are not necessarily the best route to go. I haven’t seen that stat show on MLBN yet. Need to look out for it though.
How about this little diddy?
Ben_Duronio Ben Duronio
Mike Minor is the Braves’ best bet for a 200 inning pitcher this year.
January 11th, 20121:58 pm
Ben_Duronio Ben Duronio
Mike Minor is the Braves’ best bet for a 200 inning pitcher this year.
Really?? I know he’s older and coming off of surgery, but the answer to that question has to be Tim Hudson, doesn’t it?
January 11th, 20121:59 pm
Those were the days.
Yup, I’d shoot on my lacrosse goal for hours after school and loved every minute of it. But I guess because I played lacrosse growing up, I can’t be involved in any baseball discussion. Boo-hoo…….
Followed by Hanson, and then either JJ or Beachy.
January 11th, 20122:00 pm
Actually, my territory is WA, OR, and ID. Not much of what I sell is sold in UT. I am in the farming segment……. that’s about as much as I want to say.
The Cubs are close to a one-year deal with reliever Kerry Wood, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.
Good. Did not want to see him on the Phillies.
My thinking about what might have been if JFK had not been killed is somewhat different that King’s.
Bat, as was mine. But, by the time the book had reached that point, I knew that it was going to be a bad turn of events. Only way to go to create final tension for the hero.
It was certainly a different kind of book from our buddy Steve. Enjoyable writing, but…different.
January 11th, 20122:02 pm
Luke Scott could be a good pickup for TB, if he is healthy. Crazy good hitter.
Has Ben Duronio learned nothing from Peter Rose? You can’t bet on baseball. Dumbarse.
January 11th, 20122:03 pm
Ya know, I feel bad posting Ben’s tweets here. However I know many here aren’t twitter followers, and Ben does manage a popular Braves blog – although maybe not as popular as it was when Peter managed it. Anyway, I think Ben is smart and a knowledgable baseball guy….I just disagree with some of his opinions.
The guy has moved on to washing down the mescaline with tequila.
Can’t wait to see what he writes when he eats the worm.
Basically what I’m saying is I evaluate talent by what I see in front of my eyes, not numbers on paper or computer screen. I never have, never will. Like I said yesterday I’m not going to go down to your level…I’m better than that….BP
Luke Scott would’ve put us over the top.
Where will Cordero land? Phillies or Angels would be my first guesses.
Burrito time………… back in a bit.
January 11th, 20122:05 pm
Cubs president of baseball of operations Theo Epstein said Wednesday that the the club is not attempting to shop Matt Garza.
Baloney. Doesn’t make sense to keep him.
DS – Farming is the lifeblood of this Country imo. Being from Idaho and prime potato land I’ve got a lot of respect for anyone involved in any part of the farming industry. I told my wife that my first major league game has to be a Braves game and has to be in Atlanta, just wouldn’t be the same if they were the visiting team.
although maybe not as popular as it was when Peter managed it.
As far as that goes, what actually happened with PDub? Is he affiliated with the thing at all, or did he retreat to the monks in the Himalayas, or what?
January 11th, 20122:06 pm
Nice. I misspelled Pete Rose’s name in a post calling someone else a dumbarse. Karma…man, it’s always stalking us isn’t it?
January 11th, 20122:07 pm
I haven’t read much of his stuff. what little I have seems too little appreciation for the human part of the game, kinda like Shaun. Did I just read the wrong few??
Garza had a really good year. He could really only hurt his value. I’d trade him if I were Theo. I have to imagine he’d get one of Turner or Castellenos.
January 11th, 20122:09 pm
Whatever happened to Hjort? CAC seemed to be doing pretty well, with the ESPN recognition and so on. Seems odd that he would just quit.
January 11th, 20122:10 pm
Did I just read the wrong few??
Nope, you got him pretty much pinned. But I think Shaun is knowledgable, just hard headed and not open to the human element……which makes him less knowledgable, I suppose.
January 11th, 20122:13 pm
I think Peter has another job doing something that takes up his time. No clue, but his twitter name is still “capitolavenue”. He never posts there though. It’s Ben and this other kid Kevin.
January 11th, 20122:14 pm
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
OF Jordan Parraz signs minor-league deal with #Braves, invite to ML spring training, source says. Played at AAA with #Yankees last year.
January 11th, 20122:15 pm
yesterday: Kerry Wood’s “days as a Cub appear all but over.”
today: The Cubs are close to a one-year deal with reliever Kerry Wood.
Ah, those tricky agents and anonymous sources (usually also tricky agents creating buzz and leverage for their clients). My how things can reverse in a hurry.
ncscoots, Steve – Ben posted a comment on one of the entries over there, that Peter started med. school and is busy with that to maintain the site.
January 11th, 20122:16 pm
DS1 – “Dipstick” and “dipshyt”???
Didn’t he make the “numbnutz” list yesterday?
January 11th, 20122:17 pm
I think that came out a couple months ago………Braves were one the first teams to announce minor league signings, I believe……
Finally…movement!…OF Jordan Parraz signs minor-league deal with #Braves,
Braves just signed the pennant.
January 11th, 20122:18 pm
sri–well, that’ll do it. I sympathize.
January 11th, 20122:20 pm
that Peter started med. school and is busy with that to maintain the site.
Good for PDub; getting a honest trade and all, LOL.
I imagine being a doctor might give him another perspective on the human side of the game.
January 11th, 20122:24 pm
January 11th, 2012
BravePack, truth is you are just as bad as the stat geeks who ignore what they see on the field. the stats are valuable, and have been apart of the game for over 120 years.
Not as much as on the field buddy. Listen all you stats guys who never played the game can talk about them until you’re blue in the face but the fact of the matter is talent is evaluated on the field. How many stats guys projected Heyward to be better than Freeman? I bet most of you guys did and probably still would thus the hype surrounding Heyward being so great coming up through the minors, more so than Freeman. Heyward had better STATS in the minors thus more hype, but I bet you anything you want watching the 2 play in The Show that Freeman will have a better career than Heyward unless Jason changes his mechanics and approach. WATCHING them at the plate and how they approach each at bat clearly shows who the better hitter is…Freeman.
January 11th, 20122:25 pm
DS1- “And fortified this one heavy plastic bat we had (cut the end off, and put a rolled up newspaper in the barrell). ”
Isn’t that illegal? LOL!
Sounds alot like my early teen years. Good times! And by the way, I had 4 “plus” pitches with a whiffle ball. But then I hurt my arm. Oh, what might have been.
sorry ncscoots…and yes efrim, that Parraz signing was back in November
January 11th, 20122:26 pm
Kinda odd Cody Ross hasn’t signed somewhere yet. Could it be he’s waiting on the Braves? Maybe? He does have Uggla, Fredi and Tosca here and knows this division well. This guy is a good player and I have zero problem with them signing him up. A contract within reason of course.
Basically what I’m saying is I evaluate talent by what I see in front of my eyes, not numbers on paper or computer screen. I never have, never will. Like I said yesterday I’m not going to go down to your level…I’m better than that….scoots
which he sometimes ignores too much in my opinion
January 11th, 20122:27 pm
Seems the Braves Caravan only hits Academy Sports and Taco Max.
Too bad..for most of us.
Oh, I’ll be seeing Kyle Farnsworth Saturday at a local event. Any messages for him?
Looks like Parraz was signed back in November. Why is Morosi just now reporting it? Scratch that guy off my list of reliable sources with current info…
From CBS sports: Braves ink Parraz to deal: According to FoxSports.com, the Braves have signed OF Jordan Parraz to a minor-league contract. He’s been invited to spring training. (Updated 11/03/2011)
Nice! scoots gets the rub…
January 11th, 20122:28 pm
I agree with the comment that people on this blog overrate Jurrjens, but I also think that most here significantly underrate Mike Minor. Minor’s numbers in the minor leagues were most impressive last year and he showed significant improvement towards the end of the season. As Minor gets confidence he will get better and better. Will he be an ace? No. Will he be a very good #3/#4 pitcher? Yes.
The Braves will not give Jurrjens away but if he has a solid spring showing he is healthy (and if not traded then continues to pitch well in the season), the Braves will trade him as soon as they get value for him in prospects, etc. With Teheran, Delgado, Hanson, Beachy and Vizcaino along with the lefties Minor and Gilmartin, Jurrjens is not in our long term plans. He probably is behind Medlen as well in Braves long term plans
As long as Cody drops the skip and hop junk after a homerun. Really stupid.
wow how did that happen?
I imagine being a doctor might give him another perspective on the human side of the game scoots
January 11th, 20122:29 pm
nolie, scoots did not say that, he was quoting from the downward spiraling BravePack…
nolie, you’re atrributing that 2:26 to the wrong guy, LOL. Or the right guy to the wrong quote. Something.
January 11th, 20122:30 pm
some one is kinda full of himself perhaps…
other than me I mean
January 11th, 20122:31 pm
Well, first you do 4 years of college, then apply, then get accepted, and then the world rains crap on you.
Sign me up, sh**. I’ll play for minimum wage and hustle. I’ll even sit in the dugout and do Chipper impressions for the camera. Baseball can get boring ya know.
Haha, did not clear your clipboard with the paste…Love it when it a blog post ends up on one of my work docs…
yes I know. my copy/paste flopped and I did not notice until I hit send. see 2:28
January 11th, 20122:32 pm
I agree on Ross. Seems like if there was another team that was REALLY interested in him, they would have done a deal by now. I have a hunch that he will sign with the Braves, who are just waiting for him to agree to a price they’ve likely already communicated to him. He doesn’t appear to be in super-high demand, so Braves can afford to wait him out until he gets antsy or desperate.
January 11th, 20122:34 pm
would not mind that at all Lolly.from your keyboard to God’s eyes…..
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