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CB
January 11th, 2012
11:25 am
Lew was probably drinking coffee when he fell down the steps- that explains it now.
McFann O O o
January 11th, 2012
11:26 am
Nasty Dawgy McCann STILL has eye problems.
What, are you a personal friend of this man? Seriously, how do you know that? None of us know, but odds are, if it was still an issue, it would have come out somehow…doesn’t seem like a thing like that could remain hidden for very long…
Sure, it got brought up a few times during the season—heck, I almost-panicked about it a time or two, of course, but really…
Hi, Sopheee! Yeah, I’m done…
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 11th, 2012
11:26 am
Greg Maddux……the ultimate contact pitcher
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:26 am
Nasty Dawgy and BravePack seem a lot alike.
Lew
January 11th, 2012
11:27 am
CB – I Don’t drink coffee – I have one Snapple diet tea daily and that’s it for caffeine. It keeps me awake. I like sleep.
cricket
January 11th, 2012
11:28 am
My uncle drinks 27 cups of caffeined coffee a day and has Hawk vision.
Thank you for that scientific proof. That should save some research money.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:28 am
Jason Beck of MLB.com was told by a source that “there’s nothing going on” with the Tigers in regard to a trade for the Cubs’ Matt Garza.
http://beck.mlblogs.com/2012/01/10/nothing-going-with-tigers-on-garza/
Gammons doesn’t think it’s happening either.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 11th, 2012
11:28 am
Greg Maddux response when asked his idea of the perfect game……..
27 pitches.
Lew
January 11th, 2012
11:30 am
The Chronically Uninformed strike yet again.
Murph
January 11th, 2012
11:30 am
Remember when McCann went on that mad tear last summer? You know, the one when he hit all those HR’s and was about as dialed in at the plate as any Braves player has been in recent memory?
I guess he was using someone else’s eyes during stretch.
mpimentel
January 11th, 2012
11:30 am
jimmy if you want to break out (leave) from here…do it, who cares, my post was a joke, an answer to someboddy who wrote that FW is expecting to find someone with offense capacity and could MAN the outfield…and made a joke from it, saying that I don’t care if that player gay the outfield… we just need runs…as I said, it was a joke but if you didn’t understand it sorry…and if your comment was because I can’t write well enough to your eyes, well, GET LOST…
McFann O O o
January 11th, 2012
11:32 am
Murph I guess he was using someone else’s eyes during stretch.
I think they were his Brother’s…
Lew
January 11th, 2012
11:33 am
mpimental – Dude, it was a basically incomprehensible post that made no sense, much less contained any humor.
Venice Jim
January 11th, 2012
11:33 am
Golf Now on the Golf Channel did a show on golf vacations in Vegas which premiered yesterday, which features Greg Maddux playing on the new Winn course – only a couple of minutes of Greg right near the beginning, but fun to catch when it repeats…
DAP
January 11th, 2012
11:33 am
even tom glavine struck out healthy numbers in his best years.
TennesseePaul
January 11th, 2012
11:33 am
Somewhere, there is a great answer as to why it’s more important for the pitcher and less important for the hitter. Somewhere……
There isn’t one. Ignoring walks in this discussion because they are measured equally from both sides (bad for the pitcher to give up, good for the hitter to get)… There is one simple fact. Just as it is important for a pitcher to strike a guy out/miss bats/keep the ball out of play, it is important for a hitter to put the ball in play. Once in play, nearly anything can happen. Run the numbers on it, you’ll find that a batted ball has a much higher probability of a positive offensive result than a strikeout.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2012
11:35 am
It keeps me awake. I like sleep.
I like sleep, too. I didn’t get any last night. I was thinking, as bad as last seasons collapse was, how much worse finishing sixth in a five team division is going to be this year. I don’t see how anyone could sleep, especially Chipper Jones, since its gonna be his fault.
raleighbravefan
January 11th, 2012
11:35 am
N Dawg – I see you ascribe to the same theory as many politicians…”If you repeat something often enough, it becomes a fact.” Only “proof” you have is that you believe you have observed McCann “rubbing his eyes and squinting”…Dude, you don’t hit over .300 with bad vision.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:39 am
Run the numbers on it, you’ll find that a batted ball has a much higher probability of a positive offensive result than a strikeout.
I can’t argue against what you’re saying. I’m just not sure of the answer. I’ll try to get it though. I know I’ve seen Law or Goldstein or Cameron explain it. Missing bats is an important part of projecting a pitchers ceiling.
raleighbravefan
January 11th, 2012
11:40 am
Bat @11:35 – I assume this is totally of the “tongue-in-cheek” humor variety. If not, you may need help.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:41 am
TenneseePaul, do you dismiss K rate when analyzing a pitcher’s ceiling/floor then?
TennesseePaul
January 11th, 2012
11:44 am
Missing bats is an important part of projecting a pitchers ceiling.
I get it. You want a guy to strike out a lot of batters. I have no problem with this. I look for pitchers with K’s. Especially after watching a bulk of the 2000’s Braves when they had largely non-K pitchers and a lot of post season bounces. Get guys with low WHIPS and amazing K/BB rates and it’s a start in the right direction.
TennesseePaul
January 11th, 2012
11:45 am
do you dismiss K rate when analyzing a pitcher’s ceiling/floor then?
Hell no. I only dismiss this absurd assertion that K’s are meaningless on the one hand but very important on the other. The game is complex. And that simplistic delusion attempts to calculate over that complexity.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:46 am
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/19843/nl-east-showdown
Pretty cool article.
Lew
January 11th, 2012
11:47 am
Bat – Damn. Now I’LL be up all night tonight worry about a sixth place finish. Had to go there, didn’t you?
Steve from OH
January 11th, 2012
11:48 am
Ironically, the old guy fans who grew up with hockey hate some of the current NHL rules. As a guy who only became a fan in the last 10 years, and after many rule changes, I like it the way it is now. Just goes to show
Not a big fan of the trapezoid, but I think the NHL is doing a good job trying to limit concussions. Best of any sport, IMO. I would like to see more fighting and more regulation on shoulder/elbow pads, however. Some of those pads are weapons.
Rob from SC
January 11th, 2012
11:50 am
I understand how bad September was. It was the first time I can remember actually being mad at baseball. However… if we are healthy we still have the second best team in the national league. Yes… the Marlins, Reds, Cardinals and Diamondbacks are good but we are still better.
We lost last year because Gonzalez screwed the bullpen in April and May, and McCann, Heyward, and Prado rushed back from injury. Also Parrish was a horrible hire.
Rob from SC
January 11th, 2012
11:51 am
Lew
January 11th, 2012
11:47 am
Bat – Damn. Now I’LL be up all night tonight worry about a sixth place finish. Had to go there, didn’t you?
HOW CAN WE FINISH IN 6TH PLACE?
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:51 am
I only dismiss this absurd assertion that K’s are meaningless on the one hand but very important on the other.
Yeah, I think I’d certainly rather the hitter put the ball in play. I’d also like to see a pitcher keep the ball on the ground and in the ballpark – as well as strike guys out.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2012
11:52 am
raleighbravefan_
See
Fred
January 10th, 2012
10:52 pm
Sorry Lew, Fred’s fault.
Lew
January 11th, 2012
11:52 am
Rob – Riffing on a post by some numbnutz last night who claimed we’d come in sixth place this year.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:53 am
No. 2 starter
1. Cliff Lee, Phillies
2. Gio Gonzalez, Nationals
3. Mark Buehrle, Marlins
4. Tommy Hanson, Braves
5. R.A. Dickey, Mets
This is a terrific group of No. 2 starters, as even the knuckleballer Dickey posted a 3.28 ERA in 2011 (and 3.08 ERA over the past two seasons). Hanson has Cy Young ability, but his own shoulder issues from late last season raise a red flag.
That is the only reason, cuz he certainly is above #2 and #3.
BravePack
January 11th, 2012
11:54 am
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:26 am
Nasty Dawgy and BravePack seem a lot alike
Dude get off your high horse and stop trying to put people down to make yourself feel better. We have different opinions on matters but you make yourself look like an a-hole by the way you go about things in a discussion or friendly arguement. AussieBrave tried to explain that to you last night and you went off a little on him as well. I could care less what you think about my opinions as far as trades and players worth in baseball are or what you and many others go by as far as all these stats you live by. I’ve played baseball all my life(through college) and now coach kids to play. I love baseball, it’s my favorite sport, and watch all 162 games of the Braves every season by paying for Extra Innings and many other teams as well. I come down to ATL every season from Illinois to Turner Field to support my favorite team in person. Basically what I’m saying is I evaluate talent by what I see in front of my eyes, not numbers on paper or computer screen. I never have, never will. Like I said yesterday I’m not going to go down to your level…I’m better than that.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:55 am
Ben_Duronio Ben Duronio
@ @dandretti114 I’d stretch that to 1-5. Would not be surprised at all to see Minor or Beachy be the most productive pitcher on the team.
I would be utterly shocked if Mike Minor was the most productive pitcher on the team. And if he is, “we’re in deep, deep sh!t” – to quote Samir from Office Space.
DAP
January 11th, 2012
11:55 am
coach Greg Maddux……the ultimate contact pitcher
with over 3300 career Ks.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:57 am
Basically what I’m saying is I evaluate talent by what I see in front of my eyes, not numbers on paper or computer screen. I never have, never will.
Yup. That about sums it up.
MFin04
January 11th, 2012
11:58 am
Interesting article on the NL East showdown. A decent way to quantify the decision. Looks like collectively we’re a 2nd place team in the division.
Rob from SC
January 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
Phillies – Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Worley, Blanton
Braves – Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, Beachy, Minor (Medlen) makes us even better.
Marlins – Johnson, Buehrle, Sanchez, Nolasco, Zambrano
Nationals – Strasburg, Gonzalez, Zimmerman, Wang, Detwiler/Lannan
Mets – Santana, Dickey, Niese, Pelfrey, Gee
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
Greg Maddux……the ultimate contact pitcher
I thought Joe Saunders is the ultimate contact pitcher…..
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
All these “Fielding Bibles” and things alike seem to make some feel invincible to ever being wrong. They apparantly live and die by stats.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
No. 3 starter
1. Cole Hamels, Phillies
2. Jordan Zimmermann, Nationals
3. Anibal Sanchez, Marlins
4. Jair Jurrjens, Braves
5. Mike Pelfrey, Mets
Zimmermann is the sleeping giant in the Nationals rotation. His strikeout/walk ratio of 4.0 ranked 11th-best among starters in 2011 and another year beyond his own TJ surgery should help him develop the stamina to improve on his second-half numbers (2.66 ERA before the All-Star break, 4.47 after). I’m not a big Jurrjens fan; he’s a good pitcher, but he’s now battled injuries two seasons in a row and his strikeout rate took a big dip last season.
I think the only big Jurrjens fans are on this blog……
Rob from SC
January 11th, 2012
12:02 pm
IF Heyward is healthy and bounces back…we could win our division. He truly is the X factor.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2012
12:04 pm
AussieBrave tried to explain that to you last night and you went off a little on him as well. _ BravePack
AussieBrave is Lou Vales, AKA the Pee Guy. Not exactly the best ally
ncscoots
January 11th, 2012
12:04 pm
I would be utterly shocked if Mike Minor was the most productive pitcher on the team. And if he is, “we’re in deep, deep sh!t” – to quote Samir from Office Space.
I’m beginning to think that Duronio has recently discovered mescaline.
Sopheee
January 11th, 2012
12:05 pm
Whaaaa? TPG is back? How did I miss that?
MFin04
January 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
“I think the only big Jurrjens fans are on this blog……”
I wasn’t going to bring up that list, but since you did. It’s absurd. The guy was a top 5 pitcher in the NL last year before he got hurt. If he is healthy he is an Ace. So to say he’s 4th on a list of 3rd starters is ridiculous, even with his injury history.
I think people look at numbers/stats and don’t actually watch the guy pitch. No he doesn’t strike out guys and yes he allows guys to get on base. But he CONSISTENTLY pitches that way and still has a low ERA. The guy is a phenomenal pitcher.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
Not exactly the best ally
He’s lost.
abwright
January 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
Random, January 11th, 2012, 11:09 am … ““Running out ground balls” is perhaps the LEAST important facet of ANY hitter’s game, regardless of age.”
Hmmm. And here I thought it was the entirety of Jose Constanza’s game.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
No he doesn’t strike out guys and yes he allows guys to get on base. But he CONSISTENTLY pitches that way and still has a low ERA.
Yeah, he outperforms his peripherals often. And it’s been so often that you have to wonder if this is who he is. Kinda like Matt Cain, who never posts crazy good peripherals, get guys just can’t score off of him. I think Jurrjens circa 2009 is a strong #2 starter type. Just not sure if he is that guy anymore after two injury plagued seasons.
abwright
January 11th, 2012
12:14 pm
Nasty Dawgy, January 11th, 2012, 11:17 am … “So tell me why McCann still rubs his eyes and squints ? No other player does that.”
McCann sweats into his eyes, which is where much of his squinting comes from. Did you watch him take his helmet off and wipe around his forehead on his sleeve right after?
Other players do this too, but perhaps not as much as McCann.
Lemke's Knuckler
January 11th, 2012
12:15 pm
Why don’t we all just admit that the Phillies, Braves, Nats and Marlins all have solid pitching staffs and the best team staff will probably be determined by who stays the healthiest. I can tell you, if injuries bite all of the teams, the Braves have a significant advantage with their depth.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 11th, 2012
12:16 pm
Somebody here, I will not mention his/her name, wrote on here a few months ago that “according to (?? one of the Fielding Bible handbooks ??) Alex Gonzalez was actually only a slightly above average defender in ‘11. My ass he was. That’s when diving so deep into one’s numbers can skew reality. That guy was well above average at SS and I saw this because I watched every game and damn near every play this guy made in 2011.
Random
January 11th, 2012
12:17 pm
abwright (January 11th, 2012 12:09 pm): ” Random, January 11th, 2012, 11:09 am … ““Running out ground balls” is perhaps the LEAST important facet of ANY hitter’s game, regardless of age.”
“Hmmm. And here I thought it was the entirety of Jose Constanza’s game.”
Hmmm, And since when was Constanza considered a hitter, and not just a slappy batter?
McFann O O o
January 11th, 2012
12:17 pm
abwright—
True that. BMac does sweat quite a bit…some people are like that, especially those of us with fair skin…
DAP
January 11th, 2012
12:17 pm
MFin04 If he is healthy he is an Ace. So to say he’s 4th on a list of 3rd starters is ridiculous, even with his injury history.
i agree with you, but really, on this list:
1. Cole Hamels, Phillies
2. Jordan Zimmermann, Nationals
3. Anibal Sanchez, Marlins
4. Jair Jurrjens, Braves
5. Mike Pelfrey, Mets
i am only annoyed that he is behind sanchez. he is better than sanchez, but the zimmermann thing is at least debatable, so that doesnt bother me too much.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2012
12:18 pm
Whaaaa? TPG is back? How did I miss that?
I don’t think he ever leaves for long, Soph. Just changes his name
It was a funny bit, but if that dude is Australian, well………… well nothing, he’s not
BravePack
January 11th, 2012
12:19 pm
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
11:57 am
Basically what I’m saying is I evaluate talent by what I see in front of my eyes, not numbers on paper or computer screen. I never have, never will.
Yup. That about sums it up.
How did I know that is what you would respond with. You know the history of this game and how it got to be so great right? Before all these useless stats came along and how many of the legendary great Hall of Fame players were evaluated…by watching them on the field. Stats have always been around the game but now there is way too many and a lot of them I could care less about. I kind of see you as one of those trivia type poindexters who lives by numbers and stats to evaluate everything he knows about the game. Tried to play the game because he likes the game but just didn’t have any talent. Never really saw time on the field so all you understand is numbers and stats. I bet I’m pretty spot on with this evaluation of talent.
BravePack
January 11th, 2012
12:21 pm
MFIN04
I think people look at numbers/stats and don’t actually watch the guy pitch. No he doesn’t strike out guys and yes he allows guys to get on base. But he CONSISTENTLY pitches that way and still has a low ERA. The guy is a phenomenal pitcher.
Wait! What? People actually watch a guy pitch and not just look at his stats? According to Efrim that is crazy talk in baseball.
Patio Daddio
January 11th, 2012
12:26 pm
There is a lot to debate Espinosa over Uggla. Espinosa had 14 errors and Uggla 15 errors and he picks Espinosa over Uggla because of his defense and when you dig deep into the defensive numbers they are similar players. He then points to Espinosa improving his horrid offense improving that pushes Espinosa over Uggla which I don’t see. I don’t see Uggla being as bad as he was early on in the season in 2011, especially after I witnessed one of the greatest hitting displays and streaks ever when Uggla finally clicked and then put on a hitting clinic of humongous, gigantic proportion.
I put Utley first with some hesitation: His OPS totals since 2007 read .976, .915, .905, .832 and .769. Still, that .769 figure is better than Uggla or Espinosa produced in 2011, and Utley still carries a good glove. It’s defense and predicted second-season improvement that pushes Espinosa over Uggla. Murphy doesn’t hit many home runs or draw many walks, so most of his offensive value resides in his batting average. If he hits .320 again, he’s a good player. If he hits .290, then he’s still better than Infante.
abwright
January 11th, 2012
12:26 pm
I’m hoping that Jurrjens’s knee injury was the cause of his problems in 2010 and 2011. And, that it’s healed. We should know shortly out of the gate in Spring Training.
He was a pretty good pitcher with reduced velocity to start 2011. So, if he’s healthy, I wouldn’t write him off.
DAP
January 11th, 2012
12:27 pm
i also dont like this one:
1. Chase Utley, Phillies
2. Danny Espinosa, Nationals
3. Dan Uggla, Braves
4. Daniel Murphy, Mets
5. Omar Infante, Marlins
uggla out performed espinosa in the worst season of his career. uggla has to be at least #2, and given utley’s decline, maybe even #1.
cant argue with the other stuff, but his final tally has the braves only 2 points behind the phillies:
The final tally
1. Phillies, 58 points
2. Braves, 56 points
3. Marlins, 49 points
4. Nationals, 48 points
5. Mets, 29 points
correct the mistakes, and braves tie, or maybe even jump ahead of the phillies (depending on if you rank uggla 2nd or 1st)
abwright
January 11th, 2012
12:28 pm
Random, January 11th, 2012, 12:17 pm … “Hmmm, And since when was Constanza considered a hitter, ..?”
All those folks on the blog who were indignant that Heyward was put back into the line-up over “George?”
Seattle Braves
January 11th, 2012
12:29 pm
Top 10 outlook for 2012, in no particular order
1. braves stay healthy and no major injuries
2. no slooow start by anyone (looking at you Uggla)
3. bullpen overload. hope itsnot needed as much
4. starting rotation goes all year with young guns.
5. chipper plays 120+ games healthy
6. no sophmore slumps for freeman or kimbrel
7. heyward bounces back
8. prado continues what prado does
9. win divisional matchups (hopefully a winning record vs the east)
10. Eventually get the OF in order
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
12:30 pm
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
“Somebody here, I will not mention his/her name, wrote on here a few months ago that “according to (?? one of the Fielding Bible handbooks ??) Alex Gonzalez was actually only a slightly above average defender in ‘11. My ass he was. That’s when diving so deep into one’s numbers can skew reality. That guy was well above average at SS and I saw this because I watched every game and damn near every play this guy made in 2011.”
Agreed and at the same time he prolly had the most wasted atbats on the team…I will miss his defense a lot but I think T-Pass will play adaquate defense and have more productive at bats, thats all I can ask for
Random
January 11th, 2012
12:34 pm
Division Titles! (January 11th, 2012 9:05 am): “your stats say nothing about “clutch” hitting.”
MY stats “say nothing about” this or that?
Meanwhile, YOU have no stats.
Go to hell, dumbass.
David O'Brien
January 11th, 2012
12:34 pm
He has grit, DOB…..I guess that counts for something? — Efrim
Remind me of whom we are talking about?
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
12:34 pm
Seattle Braves
“Top 10 outlook for 2012, in no particular order
1. braves stay healthy and no major injuries
2. no slooow start by anyone (looking at you Uggla)
3. bullpen overload. hope itsnot needed as much
4. starting rotation goes all year with young guns.
5. chipper plays 120+ games healthy
6. no sophmore slumps for freeman or kimbrel
7. heyward bounces back
8. prado continues what prado does
9. win divisional matchups (hopefully a winning record vs the east)
10. Eventually get the OF in order”
I will have to co-sign on all those points…but I think Our lineup will be better as well as our Defense in the OF with The Bourne Identity Patrolling CF and leading off all season…
We Missed having a leadoff hitter BAD the 1st 3 months of the Season…Many for get that its gonna be a boost have the Bourne Identity in a braves uni all season…
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And Having Little Big Man MEDS Back all season Helps the Pen A lot Especially in Preventing those “Implosion Time!” 6th Innings!
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
12:35 pm
Random
January 11th, 2012
12:34 pm
Division Titles! (January 11th, 2012 9:05 am): “your stats say nothing about “clutch” hitting.”
[MY stats “say nothing about” this or that?
Meanwhile, YOU have no stats.]
“Go to hell, dumbass.”
Ouch
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
12:36 pm
Only Thing Time will tell is if Little Big Man MEDS is gonna Be Slotted as the 6th inning man or will he be a Spot Starter or Both….I guess that will be decided in S. Training…?
TennesseePaul
January 11th, 2012
12:40 pm
I think the only big Jurrjens fans are on this blog…
That and the IC unit that is working around the clock to resuscitate him. Poor guy. Why do they always die so young?
DS1
January 11th, 2012
12:40 pm
It is becoming painfully obvious that I am not nearly as knowledgeable about baseball as most bloggers, as I definitely do NOT watch 162 games per year. XM does not count.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
12:40 pm
Remind me of whom we are talking about?
Buerhle….and why he isn’t a top of the rotation starter, and more of a mid rotation/#3 starter type.
DS1
January 11th, 2012
12:42 pm
I have been wondering what is happening with Kawakami? Did he get picked up by one of the Japanese clubs?
I wish him the best. He wasn’t quite as bad as he was purported to be, and from what I could tell he seemed like a genuinely nice person.
MFin04
January 11th, 2012
12:43 pm
“McCann sweats into his eyes, which is where much of his squinting comes from.”
Sounds like a good marketing ploy for Braves headbands.
McCann’s Headbands – keep the sweat out of your eyes!
Murph
January 11th, 2012
12:43 pm
Seattle, didn’t you post the exact same “Top 10″ list yesterday, just in a different order?
Patio Daddio
January 11th, 2012
12:43 pm
On the Fourth of July, Uggla was hitting .173/.241/.327. Over the remainder of the season, he hit .301/.386/.596 with 24 HR Uggla’s massive hot streak, highlighted by a 33-game hitting streak
Seattle Braves
January 11th, 2012
12:45 pm
Not same list. few changes after talking with all you peeps on the chat line. Revised List, i gues you can say.
DS1
January 11th, 2012
12:45 pm
Efrim
Somebody actually thinks Buehrle is a top of the rotation guy? Good mid rotation guy. Consistent 33 starts, 205-210 innings guy.
And I do think he is a gritty dude. That counts for something, right?
Murph
January 11th, 2012
12:47 pm
I used to watch every game, when the Braves were televised daily on TBS, before I had a job, a wife, 2 kids, a pile of bills, grass to cut, things to fix, naps to take, things to read, people to kill, etc.
Now I’m lucky if I get in 10 games a year. Bought the internet package through MLB last year and it turned into a big waste o’ money.
I’ll get the iPhone MLB app again this year, listen to the games on my way home, and that’ll be about it for me other than the odd game that’s on cable TV.
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
12:48 pm
Tried to play the game because he likes the game but just didn’t have any talent.
Actually, I played Lacrosse for like ten years. Not sure why I didn’t play Baseball past little league. Perhaps the area I grew up in.
I bet I’m pretty spot on with this evaluation of talent.
You keep making yourself look stupid the more you post. I’m glad you can figure out which players are better just by looking at them.
Stats have always been around the game but now there is way too many and a lot of them I could care less about.
OBP and SLG%. You could use those instead of just batting average and RBI. And to be honest, the discussion was regarding your ridiculous trade proposal and why another team should give the Braves a former 10th round draft choice. You made enough silly comments for pretty much everypne here to know you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
Patio Daddio
January 11th, 2012
12:48 pm
My ex girlfriend was gritty
DS1
January 11th, 2012
12:48 pm
260/350/500
That would be an average year for Uggla (or pretty darned close). What an incredibly horrible/fantastic 1/2 year in 2011.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
12:49 pm
I honestly Find It Impossible to watch everygame inning after inning…I think most people who claim that are exaggerating…
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 11th, 2012
12:49 pm
Brave Pack, we’re barking up the wrong tree here, pal. This place is packed full of stats geeks. It’s so many against us that it is almost pointless to argue with them about it. Even DOB can get on a few from time to time about them evaluating the context of their own turds with a calculator and a pad.
Random
January 11th, 2012
12:50 pm
Coach (January 11th, 2012 9:41 am): “Yea, our Braves are solid……..but so are the Nationals and Marlins.
We have competition folks, for second place and third.”
Perhaps you meant to say that the FILLIES “have competition for second place and third”?
Now THAT sentiment I could get behind.
Go Braves!
DS1
January 11th, 2012
12:50 pm
Patio
Too much time on the beach?
BravePack
January 11th, 2012
12:51 pm
DS1
January 11th, 2012
12:42 pm
I have been wondering what is happening with Kawakami? Did he get picked up by one of the Japanese clubs?
I wish him the best. He wasn’t quite as bad as he was purported to be, and from what I could tell he seemed like a genuinely nice person.
The stolen millions he fleeced from the Braves for all those years probably added to his happiness. I think his interpreter earned more of that money than he did.
Patio Daddio
January 11th, 2012
12:52 pm
DS1 Ladies night tonight and need to get some vitamins or geritol in me
MFin04
January 11th, 2012
12:54 pm
Murph – MLBTV always puzzles me. You’d think after a few years of operating MLBTV, you’d just be able to turn on the game and use all the features without any problems.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
12:54 pm
@ChattTownBrian (CTB)
Co-Sign! On The 12:49 post
BravePack
January 11th, 2012
12:55 pm
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 11th, 2012
12:49 pm
Brave Pack, we’re barking up the wrong tree here, pal. This place is packed full of stats geeks. It’s so many against us that it is almost pointless to argue with them about it. Even DOB can get on a few from time to time about them evaluating the context of their own turds with a calculator and a pad.
Well said buddy and that last sentence will be the post of the day in my opinion…funny because it’s true…good stuff and agree 100%.
Random
January 11th, 2012
12:56 pm
abwright (January 11th, 2012 12:28 pm): Random, January 11th, 2012, 12:17 pm … “Hmmm, And since when was Constanza considered a hitter, ..?”
“All those folks on the blog who were indignant that Heyward was put back into the line-up over “George?””
No, I think they were simply content to resign themselves to be happy with a slappy batter. No one considered him to be a bona fide “hitter”, just a guy who could get on base.
Ie, a “slappy batter”.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
12:56 pm
I think after The Kawakami Fiasco I say Stay The Hell Away from Trades or Free Agents from Japan unless its Ichiro
DS1
January 11th, 2012
12:58 pm
I am not a stat geek. But stats (and some of the fielding measures) will tell you a lot about what’s going on with a team/player.
I try to keep things as simple as I can when analyzing players. I love RBI’s. But I realize that an RBI can be an arbitrary stat that probably doesn’t tell you the whole story. As a matter of fact, I can’t remember the last time I looked at a guys RBI’s to determine what sort of a clutch or power hitter he was.
Now it’s OPS and OPS+. I will also pay a lot of attention to the gap between a guys BA and OBP to see how good he is at taking a walk.
I’ll leave all the Babip’s and WAR’s to some of my more knowledgeable blog friends and world leaders.
But anybody that dismisses some of the advanced metrics out of hand is no more than a casual baseball fan, or not a very knowledgeable one.
Sorry Brian and BravePack. But you two please carry on. You’re such a sweet couple.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
12:58 pm
I guess I will take a Look at our April Schedule and see what knid of stats I can play with against our 2012 competition…And Spend a little time on the Phillies Forum and see whats hot up there…
BRB
DS1
January 11th, 2012
1:01 pm
So Kawakami stole those many millions (21 roughly, as I remember)?
For all those (3) years.
Well, now if you’re saying he wasn’t worth what he was paid, I’d have to agree with you. But I don’t think a police report was registered.
You are consistently defining yourself. You have aligned with Brian. That tells me a lot.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
1:02 pm
Wow?
We Begin The Season in “The Rotten Apple” (New York)
and start 3 out of the first 4 series against both The NY Mess And The DiAstros?
Nice, I good a Good Feeling about April
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 11th, 2012
1:05 pm
And we end the month of April with a 4 game series with the Pirates…
Only Tough teams we face in April will be The Brewers, D-Bags, And The Dodgers at Chivez Ravine?
I have a good feeling about April…Its a Pretty Cake Schedule in the Month of April, That can be either a good or bad thing…?
BravePack
January 11th, 2012
1:05 pm
Efrim
January 11th, 2012
12:48 pm
Tried to play the game because he likes the game but just didn’t have any talent.
Actually, I played Lacrosse for like ten years. Not sure why I didn’t play Baseball past little league. Perhaps the area I grew up in.
Yup that about sums it up using one of your lines. I have nothing left to argue with you about…a lacrosse player talking baseball. I’m so happy I was right on this one because I knew almost for a fact that you never played the game because you couldn’t. You’re just another one of these numbers guys who thinks he knows the game by what he sees on a piece of paper or computer screen. I’ve played the game all my life and still do at 36 years old and teach kids including my son who probably has more talent at 8 then I had and you could only dream of having. Go back to holding your lacrosse stick in hand and looking at your computer generated stats to evaluate talent and we can talk when you pick up a real bat and actually learn how to play the game so you can evaluate talent the right way.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2012
1:06 pm
Even DOB can get on a few from time to time about them evaluating the context of their own turds with a calculator and a pad. _ CBT
Well said buddy and that last sentence will be the post of the day in my opinion…funny because it’s true…good stuff and agree 100%. _ BravePack
Yep, scatological humor is the pinnacle