7:03 pm January 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
January 3rd, 20129:13 pm
Thats one thing that could make Adam Jones attractive to the Braves. He would open up doors in the 2013 class. They can keep him in LF and attempt to sign a CF or slide him over if they feel they can acquire a stronger LF. I don’t think he hits as many HR in the Ted but might actually benefit from a lineup that can offer some protection opposed to one where he is a featured bat.
January 3rd, 20129:15 pm
P’Cola, he’s going to have to hit for a high batting average to post respectable OBP’s for a corner outfielder. I don’t think his bat profiles there, although he would most likely be above average defensively in a corner…but below average in CF. Plus, as nolie said, he’s hit in a very good hitters park for his Baltimore career. I’m not a big fan, certainly not for near the price the O’s want.
January 3rd, 20129:16 pm
VJ, I see that BBC has a new series called The Story of Musicals. not sure what station it is on, you might wanna check it out to see if you can get it
January 3rd, 20129:19 pm
aint no mountain high enough
January 3rd, 20129:20 pm
He’s at work, but I will try to remember to mention it to him…thanks!
I do NOT want him in CF at all and I’m not really a believer in lineup protection, so I’ll still pass.
I won’t consider seppuku if they got him, but I do not think he is worth near what has been thrown around as trade pieces.. and if Frank asks I’ll darn tootin’ tell him so
January 3rd, 20129:23 pm
I hope your at Philips Arena to watch the Tony Mitchell Show.
Greatest Catch Ever "Otis robs Andy"
January 3rd, 20129:24 pm
DOB…..Long time reader, but first time commenting. I read the blog religiously and enjoy learning about other facets than just baseball. I did read a few pages back that you did an interview with Dale Murphy. You may mention this in your article when it comes out, but I was wondering. Even though you have a vote, but can’t becasue of the AJC. Would you vote for Murph? I for one, being a long time Braves fan would sure like to see him in there. He is such an ambassador for the game and I for one don’t understand the fact the people say that if you take away the last 3-4 years of his playing days, he would be in the hall. I feel if you do not break any of the rules for eligibility and you are hall of fame worthy at one point in your career, it shouldn’t matter what happens in the latter parts of your career. Just my opinion, but I would love to have another Murph in the big leagues so my boys could look up to him, just as I did!! Especially if he played for the Braves!!
January 3rd, 20129:25 pm
I agree that the price the O’s want isn’t worth the return. Hes hit for a respectable average the last few years and has been a focal point of their offense. Its weird to look at his stats and see how hes produced. He seems to hit well when not in a pressured part of the order. He’s primarily hit 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th. His numbers are incredibly respectable when not hitting 3rd or 5th which he wouldn’t have to do on this team.
Batting 2nd: .297 .343 .495 .838 (562 AB)
Batting 3rd: .236 .277 .397 .674 (428 AB)
Batting 5th: .252 .303 .372 .675 (250 AB)
Batting 6th: .324 .371 .528 .899 (358 AB)
Thats where hes spent most of his career hitting. I see him more as a compliment piece to a team then a focal point. In Baltimore hes a focal point. Here he is a complimentary piece to an already solid team. Now I’m not in favor of paying the asking price they seek as I think they overrate the type of player he is. For the right price I think he’d be an asset to this team.
January 3rd, 20129:26 pm
Happy new year all…
We still haven’t fired FG.
We’ve sat on our hands while the other teams around us improved themselves.
Jeff Porter’s wife gets killed thanks to an incompetent moron and stupid policy.
What exactly do we have to look forward to this baseball season?
January 3rd, 20129:30 pm
ciao for now y’all
January 3rd, 20129:33 pm
P’Cola, you need to keep in mind he’s hit in a really good hitters park…..Turner Field is going to sap some of his power, I would think – as Camden Yards is a damn good hitters park. Now, I think the move away from really good pitching in the AL East may help him, but I don’t think it’ll offset the move to a much more fair park.
January 3rd, 20129:34 pm
As we all know Frank Wren, he will get Adam Jones if he wants him for very little. Maybe JJ and a couple of minor leaguers. He’s just waiting around to get the right deal. It maybe a couple of more weeks. If he gets Jones and keeps Prado then he will sign Jack Wilson as back up ss.
January 3rd, 20129:35 pm
Jones away: .265/.308/.404 – 1,200 PA’s
Jones home: .285/.330/.470 – 1,220 PA’s
I know some of those plate appearances were in Seattle, but only about 147 in total.
January 3rd, 20129:36 pm
I was expecting this to be a down year for the Hawks, especially when they couldn’t resign Jamal Crawford. But, Jeff Teague has stepped up and I think the team has good chemistry this year, at least so far. Marvin has gotten better and Josh seems to be in the games so far, so hopefully they will keep it up and make this an interesting season. This may be the first time ever all 3 of the Atlanta sports teams are in the “elite” at the same time. (not counting the Flames/Thrashers or the Championship Chiefs}.
January 3rd, 20129:41 pm
Hes hit roughly 40% of his HR away from Camden which isn’t bad. I don’t expect him to come in and hit 30 HR but whose to say he doesn’t come in and hit 20 with a few more doubles. I don’t believe hes a 3,4,5 hitter in a lineup. He may one day grow into a 5 hitter but never a 3 or 4. We’re not a team that needs him to be that big hitter, which is one of the reason’s I wouldn’t meet the asking price. I think his numbers hitting outside the heart of the lineup are an example of that. Some guys just can’t perform in those positions. Hes hit well against NL pitching in the ABs given. We here all the time about guys who are NL guys and guys who are AL guys. Sometimes a complimentary player is the one that can get you to the next level. But again theres no way I make the move at the current asking price.
January 3rd, 20129:49 pm
I still like Cain longterm better than Adam Jones
I think a lot of young hitters struggle away early in their careers. Heres an example of a young guy who hits in a hitters park I think most here would kill to have.
Home: .305 .389 .552 .941 (1209 PA)
Away: .249 .325 .424 .749 (1193 PA)
So they have about a similar amount of at bats. I know they aren’t the same hitter but you can see my point.
January 3rd, 20129:51 pm
I’m assuming you mean Lorenzo Cain and I’ve wanted him since before the Grienke deal. I don’t see the Royals willing to move him at this point but I would take him over Jones at this point.
January 3rd, 20129:57 pm
I don’t think A. Jones is worth JJ even up.
JJ and Jones both have 2 years left before FA, JJ is an all-star #2/3starter. That alone is worth more than an avg CFerwith low OBP, that doesn’t OPS above .775/800, isn’t that good at stealing bases and is not rated as a good defensive CFer.
I would much rather take my chances on JJ returning to pitch 25-30 starts/180 innings, then trade him in the off season next year for a CF/3B prospects. This gives the Braves young pitchers another season in AAA to build innings and get more experience to perform when called up in 2013.
I just do not like A. Jones for the Braves at all….
January 3rd, 201210:00 pm
At this point the longer you hold JJ the less the return. If hes not moved midseason then the return probably won’t be worth the effort.
January 3rd, 201210:03 pm
I’m bored. Someone entertain me
January 3rd, 201210:06 pm
Upton always showed solid walk rates and more ISO, IIRC – although that last one is from what I remember reading about JU when he was struggling. I know young hitters struggle on the road, but you’d like to see some signs….
I’d like to see some level of progression in an area of difficulty for a young hitter and Adam Jones has actually regressed on the road the last three years: 110 OPS+ in 2009, 98 OPS+ in 2010, 97 OPS+ in 2011(HUGE home/away split this past year). I think there are quite a few warning signs with him as a player. I’d rather chase after a different young hitter with warts – one with better walk rates. His are too concerning, imo.
January 3rd, 201210:07 pm
Hawks have my attention right now. They’ve been playing good ball early on.
Dominated the Heat!
January 3rd, 201210:08 pm
Heyward still on this team?
ken – I’ve really enjoyed watching Teague play full-time this year. It was frustrating seeing him ride the bench the past few years but glad his time has come.
Josh Smith is a frustrating one – if only he could get it through his headband that he’s not a jump shooter!
Fun times though, hopefully they keep it up throughout the season.
January 3rd, 201210:12 pm
Hopefully, they won’t blow it tonight after all this praise.
January 3rd, 201210:13 pm
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January 3rd, 201210:17 pm
I have no idea if I have totally zoned out on the game I am watching or if it is the world’s longest halftime show..
And apparently it’s the world’s longest halftime…
January 3rd, 201210:18 pm
Did I scare everyone away again?
January 3rd, 201210:19 pm
I gave up on bowl games. I can’t believe I made it through most of the one UGA was in yesterday. Must’ve been uber bored.
January 3rd, 201210:20 pm
Dan Connolly Orioles beat writer: “hearing a deal for Adam Jones to Atlanta is in place. Heading to Baltimore is Jair Jurrjens and Sean Gillmartin”
The only 2 I’ve been interested in were yesterday- the Rose and Fiesta, which were both actually pretty entertaining games. This one I am watching…I really have no idea why. It’s football and it’s on…
January 3rd, 201210:23 pm
January 3rd, 201210:24 pm
IIRC the Braves can’t trade Gilmartin until July. May be wrong w/ that assumption but if so it thwarts what Shawn said.
I wanna win, Mixxo!
We can’t buy a free throw.
January 3rd, 201210:29 pm
Dang, I kinda wish we had the last shot instead of the free throws there.
January 3rd, 201210:31 pm
January 3rd, 201210:34 pm
Hawks led the entire game until the 1:00 mark in the 4th.
Every pro/college sports team from Ga. chokes at crunch time. It’s a given.
January 3rd, 201210:43 pm
PCola Brave, I think you can trade Gilmartin, the Braves would have to say its a player to be named later. I’m pretty sure thats what the Rockies did in the Jimenez deal to get Drew Pomeranz
January 3rd, 201210:48 pm
Thats true. I forgot about that. The trade would then be completed in the summer.
January 3rd, 201210:51 pm
I think the Braves should keep Prado though, there are always injuries, he will be needed.
January 3rd, 201210:56 pm
Thought I’d post this as I was reading a story on some of the young up and coming players in East Cobb organization. Not that I needed to as I’ve seen a lot of these guys first hand but here is a write up on Jason Heyward’s little brother. He is a junior in HS right now.
Jacob Heyward is a 2013 1B/RHP with a 6-0 182 lb. frame from McDonough, GA who attends Eagles Landing Christian Academy. Broad shouldered lean athletic build. Open stance hitting, stays inside the ball, good raw bat speed, ball jumps hard, power to the gaps, high finish with good extension, handles the barrel well, projects power, would benefit from more flow thru contact, good runner, has base running instincts, hustling high energy player. Solid defensive actions around first base, soft hands, good footwork. Brother of Braves All-Star Jason Heyward but different athlete/player. Named to the Top Prospect team.
January 3rd, 201210:58 pm
Our roster is set !
Play ball, y’all !
January 3rd, 201211:09 pm
Coco sign with A’s
I too would go back to Royals and try to work something out for Cain…
January 3rd, 201211:10 pm
Frank Wren, he will get Adam Jones if he wants him for very little. Maybe JJ and a couple of minor leaguers.
I would never give more than JJ for Jones, that is NOT “very little”
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
Well the Orioles just picked up Jai Miller from Oakland. He’s a power hitting prospect who primarily plays CF. Maybe there will be a corresponding trade to move Adam Jones?
January 3rd, 201211:14 pm
Why would the Braves trade Prado for Smith? Sure Prado had an off year last year, but so did Smith in 2010. I like Prado because he can play both infield and outfield. We know Chipper won’t play 162 games, so having Prado in there seems better than trading for Smith. Plus Prado hits from the right side. Why trade for another left-handed hitter?
January 3rd, 201211:16 pm
Prado isn’t going anywhere and I’ll offer my own guarantee. He’s much to valuable.
January 3rd, 201211:20 pm
too bad JJ didn’t stay healthy they would not have needed to give up Gilmartin.
I’m not a Jones fan, but if it happens I’ll root for him.
I’m not all that secure about what Connolly says, he likes to come up with his own proposals at times rather than strictly what the club says.
January 3rd, 201211:26 pm
Money Brad..read what DOB said. We would have Smith for 4 years but Prado and his agent Boras =5-6 million. But we don’t want just Smith but also CF prospect believe his name was walker..
I don’t want Jones on my team. We have enough of his kind – low OPB, decent, not great BA’s and the occasional homerun. UGH! Just because he’s still young and still has “potential” doesn’t get my motors revved. Just sign Ross. There’s nothing wrong with him and you can keep Prado and maybe even JJ.
January 3rd, 201211:27 pm
January 3rd, 2012
IF and I said if there is the slightest hint of accuracy to this, you can bet that someone else is coming with Adam Jones to the Braves. Otherwise this is just another rumor blowing in the breeze for the next few hours.
January 3rd, 201211:29 pm
I wouldn’t give up Gilmarin & JJ
January 3rd, 201211:30 pm
Don’t know where Shawn is getting this from. I follow Connolly on Twitter and haven’t seen anything about it.
January 3rd, 201211:31 pm
OBP, not OPB. Dont even know what the f*** that is.
January 3rd, 201211:32 pm
To be honest, I prefer a JJ for Adam Jones deal over a Prado for Seth Smith deal.
A) it gives us an instant CF backup without using a bench spot
B) it frees up Prado to do what he’s best at, super utility guy
C) it removes the need to be put in the position of overpaying Bourn after 2012
D) Prado could still be traded mid-season if he’s hitting well in relief of Chipper,Uggla..etc for a potentially greater return.
E) even IF Prado is moved , it removes the mediocre Smith from the discussion as the Braves would likely focus on a power hitting OF prospect rather than a major league ready guy. Even if it’s with the Rockies still (Wheeler and a low level arm perhaps?)
January 3rd, 201211:33 pm
Wheeler was the kids name from GT..not walker, my bad.
January 3rd, 201211:34 pm
Brava, cause this Shawn is full of s***.
January 3rd, 201211:37 pm
Wren isn’t dumb enough to trade JJ and a good SP prospect for Adam Jones. If he was then I’d hope Scheurholz or somebody else would slap him across the back of the head. But FW seems pretty smart, so I ain’t worried.
January 3rd, 201211:41 pm
Wheeler is the outfielder the Braves want but it is the other CF Blackmon that is from GT IIRC.
January 3rd, 201211:48 pm
The Fugitive is on. Does this movie ever get old? It’s like me – I never get old and stale, I just get more interesting as time goes on. This is what I’ve been told.
January 3rd, 201211:50 pm
This is from one of Connolly’s stories earlier today in reference to Jones and the trade situation.
So what’s the right deal?
Well it wasn’t Atlanta’s Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and a minor league pitching prospect. That seems like a strong haul considering Jurrjens, a right-hander who turns 26 this month, is 50-33 with a 3.40 ERA in his career. But he’s dealt with injuries the past two years and his durability is a question.
Prado, a 28-year-old infielder/outfielder is a perfect fit for the Orioles in that he can play second base or left field – the club’s two biggest question marks – hits for average and is well thought of for his drive and attitude.
But the Orioles weren’t overly intrigued by that package and reportedly wanted two of the Braves’ top pitching prospects in addition to Prado and Jurrjens, and the Braves understandably balked. Not sure if that is 100 percent true, but something made those talks lose traction.
January 3rd, 201211:51 pm
Blackmon is from Ga but did not go to Tech as far as I know.
Wheeler is from Kalifornia I think
January 3rd, 201211:52 pm
Kalifornia is a small town in Argentina, by the way.
January 3rd, 201211:55 pm
the Kingdom of Kalifornia is where all the liberal nut jobs in America live.
January 3rd, 201211:58 pm
cause its 1. 2, 3 strikes you’re out
at the ole ball game
good nite all
January 3rd, 201211:59 pm
Oh yeah. Talking about that Kalifornia. My bad, nolie.
January 4th, 201212:00 am
January 4th, 201212:10 am
We’ve been hearing a lot from the O’s side of the Adam Jones rumors .. what are you hearing? Is an eventual deal a realistic possibility?
January 4th, 201212:14 am
nolie, Charlie Blackmon did indeed play at Ga. Tech, but he’s no more than a 4th outfielder, the prospect the Braves want from Colorado is Tim Wheeler.
And yes, Gilmartin can not be traded until after June, because he was drafted this past June, so he won’t be included in any trade.
January 4th, 201212:20 am
DOB, well that’s like not having one..if you can’t use it. Like the Dawgs running game.
But, if that is the AJC policy. — Jimmy
Don’t know what you want me to tell ya, Jimmy. Can’t pay my mortgage and vehicle payments with a Hall of Fame vote.
January 4th, 201212:21 am
Newsflash! Wren just completed a Trade with the Greenbow Turds for Benjamin Buford Blue,Dan No Legs, and Magic Shoes Gump, for Jair Jurrjens, and Tommy Hanson!
jeffrey d – do you not understand the meaning of the word ‘if’?
I don’t think our team will tank either, but nor do I just automatically believe all the toughs spots we had last year will miraculously clear up and we won’t develop new bad spots.
1) Chipper actually havd more AB’s than all but three full time third baseman last year despite the knee work and frequent rest days. Do we actually think he can do that again? Even if he does, will his production be at a 2011 level or the 2010 level.
2) Breakout rookies tend to struggle more in their second season than show improvement. That being said, Freeman might actually trend downward.
3) Heyward was overmatched. Pitchers have figured out his swing and I am not sure he will get better. He has the physical talent, but he needs help and I am not sure a guy that did absolutely nothing to help young White Sox hitters will be the right guy.
4) McCann is entering the decline years for catchers in the pre-steroid age. While a few continued to hit well up until about 30, most seriously start to decline due to physical breakdown by 27 or so. Anyone old enough to remember catchers in the 60’s and 70’s know just how few maintained production into their late 20’s.
5) We are actually losing a good bit with Linebrink and Sherril. I realize many Braves fans didn’t care for either, but on any other team they actually have very solid stat lines. Sadly, when comparing them of EOF, JV, and CK they looked mediocre. It will not be easy replacing their production.
6) Freddi G will once again annihilate our bullpen. He is from the Bobby Cox school of thought on taking pitchers out in the 6th at the first sign of trouble. He refuses to let vet pitchers work thru troubles. He will tear these young arms to pieces. Worse yet, we don’t have any old rubber armed vets in the pen to rely on to help with the youngsters can’t lift their arms above their shoulder.
7) I see similar if not better seasons from Uggla and Prado.
Pastornicky will have some rough spots, but I see him as an upgrade on both sides over A-Glad he’s-Gon. A-Gon had the range of a dung beetle and his swings stunk as bad.
9) I see a slightly worse year for our rotation. Face it, Beachy, Hanson and JJ were ptiching well above expectation until the injuries last year. Even if they come back healthy they likely own’tput up better stats. Huddie will pitch about the same, maybe a tad better now that we have a SS with more range. On the back end of the rotation you have Minor and a fill in. I hope the fill in is Medlin personally as he has the gritty makeup sort of like Hudson, Glavien and Maddux. I am not sure the younger arms are mentally as tough.
10) The only true upgrade I see beyond a shadow of a doubt is having Bourn in CF to start the season. Schafer had the tools and if he could have stayed clean might have turned into a Bourn in 3-4 years, but at this stage of their careers their is no doubt Bourn is a huge upgrade.
Can you tell me right now you see a definite upgrade to our team versus what we started the year off with last year other than Bourn? Everything else is ‘hope’, ‘downgrade’, or ‘if they can hit those numbers again’. Lot’s of if’s in there.
Add that to the fact the Marlins have upgraded, the Phillies are about the same (losing Howard for the first 40 games or so isn’t as big as them losing Utley for 40 games last year). And Washington is going to be better. Chances are the upgrades at Florida and Washington will likely cost the Braves a game or two at a minimum.
Call me a downer if you want, but I am trying to keep this in perspective. For my money, we will be close enough that we are afraid to part with any vets .. but we will actually finish a dozen games out in the East again. Our only hope is that Milwaukee and St. Louis are worse and we might sneak the wild-card .. but thats a big hope.
January 4th, 201212:24 am
DOB…..Long time reader, but first time commenting. I read the blog religiously and enjoy learning about other facets than just baseball. I did read a few pages back that you did an interview with Dale Murphy. You may mention this in your article when it comes out, but I was wondering. Even though you have a vote, but can’t becasue of the AJC. Would you vote for Murph? — Greatest Catch Ever
Yes, I would if I could.
January 4th, 201212:27 am
they could trade him as a PTBNL I believe as long as he was not moved until June or july
We are NOT going to trade a LHSP prospect under any circumstances. That was the idea of the pick in the first place. We’re short on good LHSP pitching. Still having revolving door tryouts for a third effective LHRP as well. maybe going FISH….ing will help.
January 4th, 201212:30 am
Sargent Schuerholz to Corporal Wren!
Wren what is your sole purpose in life? To do what you tell me to Sargent Schuerholz!
Sarge! My God Wren that is the most intelligent answer I have ever heard, you must be some kinda Gashdang Genius!
Wren-Thank You Sargent Schuerholz!
There ya go, for all the debbie downers on Frank Wren! the man is doing a damn fine job, be patient lil grasshoppers, he will build it!
Gilmartin not rated all that highly (as much as I hate to say that about a Criminole), not sure if they would trade him or not.
“………DOB…..Long time reader, but first time commenting. I read the blog religiously and enjoy learning about other facets than just baseball…….” GCE
You may be the first person I’ve ever read who admits to being a religious fascist!
January 4th, 201212:33 am
January 4th, 2012
E-e-eh-h-h! Wrong. Thank you for playing! Didn’t you see the baseball thriller, “Desperately seeking Lefty?”
DOB – Are you for or against a possible Jones acquisition? He’s no Matt Kemp, but how many Matt Kemp’s are really out there? — Jbailz
I think Adam Jones would be a very good addition for the Braves, but not at any cost. Certainly not at the cost of Prado AND Hanson. Or Hanson and anything IMO. And obviously not for Prado, JJ and a good pitching prospect or two, as was once said to be Baltimore’s asking price.
But would I do it for Prado and a prospect? Only if the Braves had another deal lined up for a backup 3B and were reasonably confident of signing Jones long-term, not just having him for two seasons. And not for an elite pitching prospect along with Prado. A lesser prospect, perhaps.
Would I trade J.J. and a prospect for Jones? Probably so, given that J.J. has only two more years until free agency (Boras) and hasn’t stayed healthy the past two seasons, and given the uncertainty about that knee. But not a top pitching prospect AND J.J.
Prado and J.J. for Jones? I wouldn’t do that, not unless the Braves know something we don’t (health, etc.)
January 4th, 201212:36 am
Well, DOB has a proper perspective regarding ADAM JONES. Love to have him, but only at the right price.
January 4th, 201212:37 am
The right price for Adam Jones??? JJ, Hoover, and Cunningham/Milligan
January 4th, 201212:39 am
January 3rd, 2012
Looks like Wilkin Ramirez signed a minor league contract w/ the Twins.
yes and WILKIN CASTILLO to the ROX. Only ‘45′ GOMEZ left alone with his sidearm at this point.
January 4th, 201212:40 am
I could live with that.
January 4th, 201212:42 am
Totally agree with what DOB has to say about Adam Jones.
what did ed lucas do
January 4th, 201212:43 am
January 4th, 2012
I saw Desperately Seeking Susan once but I don’t remember if she was a lefty……
January 4th, 201212:44 am
so he is still with the Braves?
January 4th, 201212:46 am
somewhere between Gweenett county and pearl miss. nolie. trying to find out if that.218 ba last year was an abhorration
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