7:03 pm January 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
January 9th, 20129:12 am
Vizcaino has a special arm. Unless its for someone like a Trout, I don’t want to see him traded. And Trout is not being traded. He is viewed by many as the top prospect in the game. Him and Harper.
January 9th, 20129:14 am
I would switch Medlen and Beachy. Beachy’s got a great rising fastball that’s tough to hit, but until he gets better command on that curveball, I still think Medlen has the best overall repertoire (best changeup of any pitcher on the 40 man roster in my opinion). I’m just going by gut here, but every time I watch Beachy pitch, I say “I can’t believe they’re not hitting him, that pitch was belt high.” However, when Medlen was starting in 2010, I’d always find myself saying, “that’s nasty, unhittable.”
January 9th, 20129:16 am
NL East: Phillies, Braves, Marlins, Nationals, Mets
NL Central: Cardinals, Reds, Brewers, Cubs, Pirates, Astros
NL West: D-Backs, Giants, Dodgers, Rockies, Padres
I guess that’s how I’d rank the NL teams to date.
January 9th, 20129:18 am
Lemke’s Knuckler, Beachy has a real deceptive delievery. And the addition of the slider has really upped his ceiling.. Anyone who strikes out people at the rate he does is at least a #3 starter, imo.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
January 9th, 20129:19 am
NL East: Phillies, Marlins, Braves, Nationals, Mets…….and not drinking the kool aid.
January 9th, 20129:23 am
When J-Hey is on Point, He can hit 2nd, 3rd or 6th…Plus he needs to Run More!
But Then Again that is on Fredi…I’m gonna start ripping him if he doesn’t implement a running game with this offense. _ Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
You’re gonna start ripping him. Funny
Other than that I have no idea what you mean. When Bourn came over he tried to steal as much, if not more, than when he was in Houston. Fredi used the hit and run so much last year I’m pretty sure they only had a sign to take it off.
January 9th, 20129:24 am
I’m not saying he’s not a good pitcher, and you can’t argue with the results. I just always wonder about those guys that rely on a deceptive delivery. Seems like it eventually catches up with them (Dontrelle Willis, Hideo Nomo, etc.). I still like him though and think he’ll be solid this year. Be nice to see him be a little more efficient with his pitches and get deeper into games.
January 9th, 20129:27 am
Lemke’s, I hear ya. Hopefully we see mroe improvement in 2012. There are definitely some skeptics out there regarding Beachy.
January 9th, 20129:28 am
I’ll correct myself, Dontrelle and Nomo are extreme examples. Most of their issues were control related because of their funky deliveries, and Beachy has a very solid repeatable delivery.
January 9th, 20129:29 am
I think you can safely say that the Mets, Cubs, Pirates, Astros, Rockies and Padres will not be in it for the playoffs this year. Rockies just don’t have the pitching. Padres with Quentin, Maybin, Headley, Alonso could actually surprise some people, but I still don’t see them as much better than 4th place in that division.
January 9th, 20129:30 am
and not drinking the kool aid. _ Coach
Sounds like you’ve been drinking plenty of Marlins Kool-Aid. Do you put a little umbrella in your glass with it?
January 9th, 20129:31 am
Skeptics? Out there? Nah, can’t be.
January 9th, 20129:32 am
Like I said Efrim, you watch Beachy pitch and it’s hard to understand why hitters can’t pick up his pitches. You watch a guy like Venters (especially when the cameras are set up straight behind the pitcher), and see his ball defy the laws of physics and you know why hitters can’t see that. But Beachy just throws a straight 4-seamer. Usually, those 4-seamer guys that work belt high need to have 98 mph stuff, but he gets away with it in the low 90’s. Doesn’t make sense to me, but it works, so I’m happy to go with it and hope he wins 15 games.
January 9th, 20129:36 am
Lemke’s, great command can make that fastball in the 90-91mph range with a deceptive delivery pretty tough to square up, or in Beachy’s case, make contact at all. IIRC, he gets a ton of swings and misses on just about every pitch.
January 9th, 20129:40 am
Anyone see a Braves transaction this week? I do. Just a gut feeling.
January 9th, 20129:41 am
Honestly, the guy I see making the biggest strides this year is Minor. He really impressed me at the end of last year and I love the way he goes right after hitters and trusts his stuff enough to work inside to righties. Can’t wait to see him build on that in 2012.
On that note, isn’t it a nice luxury to know that the crop of starting pitching is so good that Teheran and Delgado don’t have a spot yet, whereas in previous years the Braves were marching guys like Mark Redman out there?
January 9th, 20129:42 am
Efrim, ultimately I agree with you. Just like real estate, pitching is about location, location, location.
January 9th, 20129:43 am
Anyone see a 2 sack day for Aldon Smith on Saturday? I do. Just a gut feeling.
January 9th, 20129:45 am
Lemke’s, yes, and that’s why it’d be awesome to keep Jurrjens and have those two down in Gwinnett refining their craft and waiting in the wings for the eventual injury to one of our pitchers.
January 9th, 20129:48 am
I think with Beachy the movement he has is late. What appears to be a fat pitch, moves at the last minute and the contact is not solid. Now the problem like all pitchers, if he doesn’t hit his spot, he will get crushed.
January 9th, 20129:55 am
Transaction? Maybe. Impact transaction? Doubtful.
January 9th, 20129:56 am
The LERNER’s appear sincere about following MIKE RIZZO down the garden path to PRINCE FIELDER’s door. The only handicap is SCOTT BORAS, and the WERTH contract which could be spelled “Worth…..less” at this point. Seriously, if D.C. had not entered into that egregious contract last season, FIELDER would already be an insect, a stinging one, and not a gnat.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 9th, 20129:58 am
@Coach (2012 Fredi’s Beisbol Fandango)
“NL East: Phillies, Marlins, Braves, Nationals, Mets…….and not drinking the kool aid.”
My Picks To Click!
Phillies, Braves, Marlins, Nats, Ny Mess, Bank On It!! And I’m not Drinking The Kool Aid Either!
January 9th, 20129:59 am
I know BEACHY is not economical with his stuff. He gets ‘K’s but slings a lot of arrows to get them. He’s not putting hitters away early in counts, and thusly doesn’t go into the eighth very often. More like the sixth……not good enough.
January 9th, 201210:01 am
“Anyone see a Braves transaction this week? I do. Just a gut feeling.”
No! Wren will wait til S. Training to make a move, Mark it Down…Between now and then I only see us signing someone from the Scrap heap like a Joe Mather Type player to replace the void left from not resigning Connie…Bleh
January 9th, 201210:02 am
I maybe drinking the Kool Aid here but BB (Beachy) Has the best mound makeup and composure since a young Jason Marquis and a young Kevin Millwood…
I would feel comfortable with BB being the number 2 starter…
January 9th, 201210:06 am
EFRIM/Tomahawkin’ [The Godfather]:
I don’t get a feel one way or another regarding WREN and his movements. I just hope LIBERTY MEDIA has fresh tissue on the roll when he does. Heh!
January 9th, 201210:08 am
I’d say you’re funneling, not drinking my man.
January 9th, 201210:12 am
Should Be Interesting where Little Big Man MEDS will Fit in the Rotation…? Braves were 12-3 in his starts in 2010….
January 9th, 201210:15 am
News on GIL in MECHANICSVILLE:
Not good news. Still in the hospital and has been through the holidays. Major back surgery on many vertibre which did not go well. Long rehab before he can walk again. He’s supposed to come home, but will be wheelchair/hover-round bound for a good while.
January 9th, 201210:17 am
richbrave, yeah that’s not good news at all. Hope his rehab goes better than expected.
January 9th, 201210:18 am
and not drinking the kool aid.”
Why would you, when you’re obviously sucking down a second pitcher of margaritas, LOL?
The RICHMOND contingent on here continues to dwindle slowly away………
January 9th, 201210:21 am
It’s hard not to be frustrated right now. I speak for myself and just reading a lot of the comments through the last few months. Not considering the ones who’ll complain on here no matter what.
But yeah Tomahawkin, you’re more than likely right. A really, really cheap Conrad type is allI can see until maybe Spring training and maybe even until mid-summer.
January 9th, 201210:22 am
Sorry to hear that about Gil, hopefully he makes a full recovery. Thanks for the news.
January 9th, 201210:23 am
You got that right CTB…………..frustration on multiple levels going all the way back to September.
January 9th, 201210:25 am
Sure wish it was better news. GIL’s a great guy. Glad both you and I are here to learn it however.
January 9th, 201210:27 am
beachy seems to have the stuff and the makeup to anchor a rotation. not be the ace, but be the consistent type you can depend on every 5th day. he reminds me of javier vazquez, a little bit. id say he is a very valuable piece of our rotation, and id look for him to pitch a few more innings this season.
he averaged 5.2 innings per start, and i wouldnt be surprised to see him up it to 6 or 6.1 per start. remember, he is still young so they will try not to add too many innings at once, but increasing his load 50 innings in 32 starts would give him 192, which is a about 6 per start. ill take that from beachy.
January 9th, 201210:28 am
richbrave…thanks for the update on Gil….hope we can hear from him again, back surgery is not fun….my wife has three…
Medlen won’t be starting any games. After tommy john I dont see them putting him in that position, specially with Delgado and Teheran still waiting for a spot.
January 9th, 201210:31 am
Hopefully Fredi uses Vizciano in more high leverage situations to lighten the load on the O’Ventbrel. Medlen could prolly help some in the 7th/8th innings as well if he returns to form.
January 9th, 201210:32 am
VaBravesFan: Medlen will be 18-plus months removed from TJ surgery by opening day, so starting games will not be a matter of health. One could even argue that the regular routine of starting presents less risk than relieving. But in either case, those who are fully recovered from TJ surgery aren’t at any more risk of injury than those who never had it, and some believe they’re actually at less risk.
January 9th, 201210:33 am
I agree about Beachy, prolly our most solid starter when you factor in injury concerns with Jurrjens/Hanson/Hudson. Beachy was missing bats at an elite level last season.
January 9th, 201210:34 am
So if one of our top 3 go down, do you think they will let Medlen fill in or give one of the youngsters the starts?
I get a feeling that if the Braves don’t trade Prado, it’ll be classic case of best trade is the one you didn’t make. In other words, I think by summer they’ll be happy they didn’t trade him.
McFann O O o
January 9th, 201210:37 am
Yikes! So sorry to hear that about Gil! He’ll be in my prayers for sure! Hope everything goes well with rehab…
January 9th, 201210:43 am
In other words, I think by summer they’ll be happy they didn’t trade him.
Yes, and it’d be great if he has his 2010 form and the Braves believe he is their 3rd base replacement for Chipper. Howie Kendrick’s extension may be a comparable for Prado – Kendrick signed a four year, 33.5 million dollar deal and he was eligible for arbitration for the last time and was expected to make around 5.5-6 million. So in effect, he pretty much got a three year, 27-28 million dollar extension. Be interesting to see if the Braves want to make that sort of an offer to Prado next winter, provided he has a 2008-2010 Prado type year.
January 9th, 201210:44 am
DOB – I agree completely about Prado. I expect a strong bounce-back year from him, and his versitility will be valuable. Not sure they ever wanted to trade him…unless blown away by someone who wanted to overpay.
I expect any real moves to be made during ST now.
January 9th, 201210:46 am
The Braves shouldn’t be thinking of trading Prado,they should be thinking of signing him to a team friendly contract when he is coming off an off year.A nice 4 years and lock him up.
January 9th, 201210:47 am
Totally agree, DOB. If we can get anything close to the 2010 Prado, I’ll be really happy to have him. His OPS from 2008-2010 was .819 and he’s only 28 for cryin out loud.
January 9th, 201210:48 am
I expect Prado to bounce back also. With the Braves being so cashed strapped, where are they going to find an upgrade in LF for less than the $5 mil that Prado is going to be making. They will also have to find another capable backup. Prado has incredible value being able to play LF/1B/2B/3B. SS is the area of concern and it needs to be addressed somehow.
Of course, Kendrick prior to 2011 was at .295/.327/.425, 99 OPS+ in a little over 2,000 plate apperances for his career. So the Angels are probably banking that he fulfilled on his promise as a top prospect as he was in the past. His 2011 was pretty damn good, coupled with very good defense at 2nd base: .285/.338/.464, 125 OPS+ in 583 plate appearances.
January 9th, 201210:50 am
Seeing $40 mil coming off the books for Liberty Media next year is something to be thinking about. This is the same group that didnt send a single person to watch their asset in the playoffs last season. The may cut some of that payroll if the Braves struggle this season. I hope they sell before then, but its looking less and less likely.
I am for keeping Prado. I mean, the guy busts his arse all the time, he finally works his way into the lineup as a regular, does great, then gets shifted to left field. Then proceeds to have a down year because of injuries, then everyone wants to trade him.
Gotta feel for the guy. I have this gut feeling that Prado will be a better run producer this year after being fully healthy.
As for JJ, whatever you can get out of him, do it. Boras client, almost certainly will not agree to an extension, get what can you for him.
January 9th, 201210:51 am
That .819 OPS of Prado’s would have led the 2011 Braves team, btw.
January 9th, 201210:52 am
what ever happened with Mike Fontenot and the Giants? Did SF tender him contract, or did they let him go? I know he’s not really an everyday starter type, but he plays 2B, 3B and SS and is a scrappy-type guy, making him perfect for UTIL role. Plus, I would think he could be had for about 1 or 2 million- maybe just what the Braves are looking for to spot start at SS and 3B- and more importantly keep Prado at one position all season in LF. Anyone know if he’s been signed yet?
January 9th, 201210:54 am
Heres this trade idea
JJ to LAAA for Outfield Prospect Chevy Clarke and Maicer Izturis
its just a bad i dea to trade martin prado. always was. the good thing is, it looks like wren has been pretty stingy with him, which i am really happy about. i suppose if he was going to consider it, that was the way to approach it.
I still hope Wren signs Wilson Betemit. Keep Prado in Left Field full time, Betemit becomes Chipper’s backup. Switch hitter coming off the bench with decent pop, more athletic Conrad. Can play 1B/2B also logged a few games in the outfield as well. Coming off a .285/.343/.452 8 HR season in 97 games.
Also as a pinch hitter he’s a career .270/.359/.451/.810 9 HR in 274 PA’s.
January 9th, 201210:56 am
Clarke is a Georgia high school product and he can really run, and it should allow him to be both a basestealer and a good defender, combining his range and strong throwing arm, in center field.
January 9th, 201210:57 am
Not enough. That’s selling low on Jurrjens.
January 9th, 201210:58 am
Just not enough IMO, I’d ask for Izturis + Clarke + Cowart
January 9th, 201210:59 am
Right you are on keeping Prado and trading JJ. Thing is, Braves are really really deep in SP, and not deep at all on OFers or backup INF. SO, the old adage of dealing from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness applies here. If not JJ, then maybe Beachy or Minor or Hanson. Throw Medlen into the mix of possible starters and it’s ridiculous how many potential starters Braves have including 3 or 4 at AAA that are ready for MLB now or very soon. It’s musical chairs for pitching and Braves…who gets left without a chair when we break camp at spring training? I don’t think even Wren knows at this point, but I think he’s gonna get rid of one of them at least. Think about it- even with trading a SP, the Braves will still be pretty deep at that position.
I’d want Kaleb Cowart from the Angels in any deal for Jurrjens. They can keep Clarke.
January 9th, 201211:02 am
agreed. Looks like a 3rd base stud to me.
January 9th, 201211:03 am
Efrim, that could be a starting point for talks I guess, of course Frank would ask for more, but I think as long as those two are in the deal for JJ, it works. What do you think?
Is Cowart going to pitch or play 3b?
January 9th, 201211:04 am
JJ has a bum leg. That’s probably over paying for a guy who can’t even stand up out of a chair.
January 9th, 201211:08 am
“I get a feeling that if the Braves don’t trade Prado, it’ll be classic case of best trade is the one you didn’t make. In other words, I think by summer they’ll be happy they didn’t trade him.”
Agreed and same thing could be said about Jurrjens. The Braves are best suited to keep both of them. There is nothing of any value out there to get in return that has been reported.
Can’t even stand up out of a chair? And here I thought you had zero imagination.
What do we need Kaleb Cowart for?
January 9th, 201211:09 am
DOB any clue when the new jerseys are to be revealed?
January 9th, 201211:11 am
Got your answer about GIL though I didn’t enjoy it.
January 9th, 201211:15 am
richbrave – Yeah, not good. I messaged him on FB yesterday and hadn’t heard back. Hope he gets better soon.
January 9th, 201211:18 am
I think Jurrjens for Izturis + Cowart + Clark or different prospect is a fair deal
Grienke got the Royals shortstop Alcides Escobar, outfielder Lorenzo Cain and right-handed pitching prospects Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress. Escobar has more value than Izturis, Odorizzi is the Royals 2nd best prospect (6th Rated RH Pitcher of all prospects) We know who Cain is. Jeffress is around there 17th best prospect.
January 9th, 201211:19 am
Does Anyone have a link to the new Jerseys???
January 9th, 201211:21 am
Michael C., 3rd base.
O.J., please splain.
January 9th, 201211:22 am
I mean, we have Terdoslavich to play 3rd in a few years. At least thats what i thought
January 9th, 201211:23 am
Kaleb Cowart ETA: 2014 Position: 3B Age: 19, DOB: 06/02/1992 Bats: S, Throws: R Drafted: 2010, 1st (18) 4th rated Angels Prospect (6th best 3rd base prospect in all of baseball)
Heading into the 2010 Draft, Cowart had more teams interested in his pitching than his hitting. But he wanted to hit, and the Angels agreed and took him No. 18 overall. A switch-hitter, he’s got plenty of raw power to tap into. As a top pitcher, he’s got plenty of arm strength at third — and while he may not win any Gold Gloves over there, he should be fine. After extended spring training, he’s playing for short-season Orem this summer.
Would make a lot of sense if they actually traded for a #2/#3 starter…..AA is too smart for that though.
January 9th, 201211:24 am
I mean, we have Terdoslavich to play 3rd in a few years. At least thats what i thought
Knew that was coming…….
January 9th, 201211:29 am
Whats wrong with that Efrim?
Efrim – Inevitable though the reference to JT it may be, a few years still leaves a hole for a couple of seasons unless Prado is the answer.
January 9th, 201211:30 am
Also, if you knew it was coming, why did you ask?
January 9th, 201211:31 am
Braves pretty much need everything in the minors. Perhaps not a RP and SS, although you can never have enough relievers and Pastornicky, Simmons and Ahmed aren’t slam dunks – but I can understand if they feel very comfortable with the middle infield.
“We don’t set out in November, December or any month in the off-season to think about finishing fourth. We feel like we return (with) an offence that was fifth”
–Blue Jays manager, John Ferrell
January 9th, 201211:33 am
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)…10:02 am…”I maybe drinking the Kool Aid here but BB (Beachy) Has the best mound makeup and composure since a young Jason Marquis”
That’s not Kool Aid you’re drinking based on that comment. Marquis was a stubborn head case that wasted a lot of potential because he wouldn’t listen to anyone. To me, that doesn’t scream mound makeup and composure.
DAP…10:27 am…”beachy seems to have the stuff and the makeup to anchor a rotation. not be the ace, but be the consistent type you can depend on every 5th day. he reminds me of javier vazquez”
I wouldn’t say Javier Vazquez. Javy had a full repertoire and was one of the nastiest pitchers of the early 2000’s, right up there with Pedro in my opinion. Beachy doesn’t really remind of anyone that I can remember. It still shocks me that he’s this good after only pitching for a handful of years. I agree I think he’ll be a consistent pitcher. Could easily do what Millwood did in the early 2000’s winning 17-18 games. Like I said before, he needs to get deeper into games to win 15+ games.
Because there has been way too much talk about Terdoslavich being the Chiopper replacement at 3B, imo. He hasn’t hit above High-A in the minor league season, was too old for his level and hasn’t played 3rd base in the minors – and isn’t really regarded as a skilled defender anyway.
If they are trading Jurrjens, go for the best prospect package possible(if you want prospects) – no need to focus on a certain need in the minors at all, imo.
January 9th, 201211:35 am
Make a move already!!!
Spring training starts in ~5 weeks.
January 9th, 201211:36 am
January 9th, 2012
“Many a slip between the cup and the lip”
Terdo has promise, but has yet to show much at the upper levels of BRAVES minor’s affiliates.
January 9th, 201211:37 am
Lew, that was probably too soon. I know the guy is set to make major strides in advancing paraplegic sports. It was uncalled for to make a joke about him rising up from his wheel chair. Unless, … has he been hanging out with John Edwards?
January 9th, 201211:39 am
“but has yet to show much at the upper levels of BRAVES minor’s affiliates.”
Has he even been to the upper levels of the Braves minors?
January 9th, 201211:41 am
We could give a little more depth to our bull pen if we were to sign Zumaya. He’d most likely come at a low cost after missing all of last season. Not bad career numbers if he was able to return to form, plus he’s still young at just 27 years of age. I’d take a gamble on him.
January 9th, 201211:42 am
Quick NFL note: No two team makes more sense for Peyton Manning than the Arizona Cardinals or Seattle Seahawks – and it pains me to say that as a Niners fan. Just my two cents on that given their current roster structures.
TenPaul – Last report on JJ I heard claimed that had the Braves made the playoffs, that he would have started one of the games wearing a knee brace. I certainly haven’t heard anything – other than sniping here on the blog – to indicate he’ll be anything but ready for ST.
We’re dealing with a balky knee here – not a shoulder or elbow issue. Haven’t heard it was career ending or that anyone other than Gil (get better soon, Buddy) needs a hoveround.
January 9th, 201211:43 am
That being said – I really don’t see a Grienke – like deal beng offered for him.
I’m glad to read the articles of HoF voters starting to build a case for Murph. Pre-Mitchell, there was no chance that Murph would get consideration for HoF, because the steroid era numbers were not considered tainted. Now, when you look at the dominant portion of his career and compare to his peers, his stats are pretty good. Not necessarily HoF worthy, but still, much more worthy of consideration then when you compare them against the roided up boomers.
Hopefully, Murph makes a good showing in his last couple of years of eligibility, gets his advocates talking for him, and at least gets a real chance to get in.
January 9th, 201211:44 am
No, and he is 23 years old.
If Braves make a trade and get Mike Trout, will we have to revisit the Tex/Krotchman trade again?
January 9th, 201211:46 am
Transplant – We do NOT need more depth in the bullpen. We need a shortop.
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