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Lew
January 3rd, 2012
9:24 am
Temps all the way up to 16 now – It was below zero overnight – almost as cold as the MLB trade front.
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
9:25 am
One of my fears in acquiring Adam Jones would be where Fredi would hit him in the lineup. Could see him batting 2nd right behind Bourn. Terrible. Jones shouldn’t be hitting any higher than 7th.
bustersonly
January 3rd, 2012
9:26 am
Ray, I realize J Hey has many fans though I can only think of one reason why but I hope he has a monster season which I doubt but after all my favorite food is Crow.
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
9:27 am
Well how about this one then….. Bourne and JJ to O’s for Jones and another piece. O’s need a leadoff hitter and Bourne is a Boros client who LIKELY isn’t coming back to ATL after next season.
Jones in a CF who arb this year and next year (made 3.25 mil in 2011)and FA in 2014. Until they aquired Bourne, the Braves have utilized a flavor of the month leadoff hitter since Furcal left. The O’s seem to be more in love with the idea of a prototypical leadoff hitter than the Braves do.
Lew
January 3rd, 2012
9:31 am
Right. The Braves traded for Bourn at the deadline just so they could tunr him over pre – season for ?
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
9:37 am
Braves aren’t trading Bourn. This talk is pretty absurd.
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
9:38 am
“Right. The Braves traded for Bourn at the deadline just so they could tunr him over pre – season for ?”
Right. The Braves traded for Bourn at the deadline just so they could TRY and make the playoffs in 2011 but shamelessly melted down. It’s not exactly as if Bourn turned into the franchise player in half a season as a Brave now is it?
There are probably no more than 3 guys on the Braves roster, if that many, who are untouchable in trade talks for the right deal. I don’t think Bourn is one of them, do you?
and to requote you….”Right. The Braves traded for Bourn at the deadline just so they could tunr him over pre – season for ?”
Adam Jones…,.. who isn’t a Boros client and who is under control for two more seasons.
McFann O O o
January 3rd, 2012
9:40 am
Salt Life does me good to chat with you
I enjoy talking to you, as well.
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
9:40 am
“Braves aren’t trading Bourn. This talk is pretty absurd.”
Thinking that the Braves would not think of trading a Boros client who is on his way out of town at the end of 2012 is absurd!
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
9:43 am
Boros is already making his case that Bourn will be even more valuable playing his home games on a surface that is more consistent than the TED. If that isn’t shopping your client to other teams even before Bourn’s final season in ATL, I don’t know what is!
Ray
January 3rd, 2012
9:45 am
I would be surprised if the braves traded bourn. I just don’t see it. Possible of course but I don’t think the O’s are going to give up what it would take to get both bourn and JJ. Their asking price for Jones alone is absurd.
Jim Hertel
January 3rd, 2012
9:47 am
I wouldn’t get too worked up about a Baltimore trade. Their owner will never sign off on any trade. He never can decide to either crap or get off the pot.
On the other hand, I think it is becoming increasing clear that Wren’s hands are tied by Liberty. We’ve seen too many players go to other teams that could have helped Atlanta. I’m thinking Punto to Boston for a reasonable salary, and Quentin to San Diego. That one really sticks in my throat. We surely could have put together a better package without touching our first line of pitching talent.
I just think Wren can’t move — we all know he wants to — and our players are not valued as highly by others as we value them.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2012
9:48 am
Boras Phobia strikes again. Actually, almost all agents get great deals for players who have great (or at least above average) talent. Most of Boras’ clients have great talent, and a high profile. That’s the main reason you hear so much about him (and therefore fear him). If I were a top MLB player, I would likely hire him to represent me.
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
9:50 am
I don’t think Bourn is going to be back in Atlanta for 2013. But that’s a terrible reason to think they should trade him now. He’ll play the year out here and then be playing somewhere else in 2013. Nothing wrong with that as I don’t think we gave up much for him to begin with.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2012
9:52 am
Efrim @9:50 – Voice of reason, once again.
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
9:53 am
Ray,
I don’t really see Bourn being the piece for Jones either, unless it was muliti-player trade to address lots of holes on both sides. My argument is not that I really think Bourn will be traded, but that these “know it alls” are actually acting a bit idiotic just by slamming the door on the idea that a guy who is going to be leaving at the end of the season would not even be considered for trade by the Braves. I don’t think anyone in their right mind thinks that in half a season Michael has become untouchable for trade consideration.
In fact, if the Braves are 12 back at the all-star break, Bourn will be dealt so quick it would make you head spin!
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Lew
January 3rd, 2012
9:54 am
Oblique – Good name – it fits your suggestion. Bourn won’t be traded.
Murph
January 3rd, 2012
9:59 am
Checked in to catch up on Braves news this morning and it appears I missed absolutely nothing over the last three weeks… not a bad thing in my opinion.
Hope y’all had great holidays and a fantastic start to 2012.
TennesseePaul
January 3rd, 2012
10:00 am
Nothing wrong with that as I don’t think we gave up much for him to begin with.
All the Braves traded for Bourn was minor leaguers Brett Oberholtzer, Paul Clemens, and Juan Abreu… and not a single other player with the capacity to play the game on any level. 3 baseball players. That’s it. All of whom don’t really project to high in the majors. That’s not a bad trade at all.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
10:01 am
Wayward batts 220 with 100 strike outs and 15 walks…buster
the mere fact that you would attribute 15 walks to Jason shows that you don’t know your arse from a hole in the ground
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
10:02 am
“Boras Phobia strikes again. Actually, almost all agents get great deals for players who have great (or at least above average) talent.”
And the Braves aren’t in the business of competing in the FA market for Boros clients. Last Boros FA they signed was lets see………. Lowe? Ouch!
Two players listed on the Braves roster are represented by Boros. JJ and Bourn. JJ is headed out of town if they can move him, and Bourn is headed out of town at the end of next year.
Remember according to reports right here in the AJC… Braves want a CF option for the future in any deal with the Rox. So the Braves know that Bourn is gone after 2012.
richbrave
January 3rd, 2012
10:03 am
Coach (2012 Fredi’s beisbol fandango)
January 3rd, 2012
9:18 am
I’m not on any list…cool I have a life, lol.
Heh! I was thinking the same thing!
extremus
January 3rd, 2012
10:04 am
Great, just what we need, a prospect “that’s always dreamed of playing for the Yankees”. If he reaches star status I guess that means Atlanta will be a farm club for New York for all intents and purposes, at least in that case.
As for baseball team ownership passion, Ted Turner owns John Malone. So there.
PMC
January 3rd, 2012
10:06 am
You aren’t winning championships with Seth Smith.
Therefore, I’m not buying freaking tickets to see Seth Freaking SMITH!
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
10:06 am
“Oblique – Good name – it fits your suggestion. Bourn won’t be traded.”
That’s what I like about Lew. He is predictable. If he can’t back up an argument with baseball acumen, he starts with personal rips.
When he does that, you have won the argument
PMC
January 3rd, 2012
10:07 am
Braves covet the guy, because he’s cheap should be the headline for every trade or free agent move.
David O'Brien
January 3rd, 2012
10:08 am
richbrave, you make a good point in your line about Asencio’s performance. When I see a major league pitcher making 20-some winter-ball appearances into January, you just have to wonder if they’ll be ready to crank it back up just six or seven weeks from now at spring training and stay strong again for seven or eight months.
Lew
January 3rd, 2012
10:08 am
So what if he’s gone at the end of the season? He still won’t be traded now. He put up better numbers than Jordan McNatefer and stole more bases, even though falling short of what he produced in Houston. He has speed, is great defensively and is one of the best lead off hitters out there.
Who, exactly are you going to get for him from the Orioles? Adam Jones? And how, exactly does that improve the Braves when what we need is someone to fill in in LF and RF when Prado plays third – then we’d have to go find another CFer, too. Do you truly see Wren making more than one deal when it’s been so hard just to make one?
Boras be damned – it ain’t happening.
Lew
January 3rd, 2012
10:10 am
Yeah and if you can’t make a reasonable suggestion and people call you on it, there’s always the “Lew is predictable” to fall back on. Sheesh. What a douche.
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
10:14 am
Why are people so obsessed with retaining trade acquistions? Who gives if Michael Bourn leaves via free agency? Who cares if the Braves have to fill a glaring need next offseason? Teams enter the offseason with needs quite often. It’s okay to have a need and to work on filling it during the November-January timeframe. That’s what the offseason is for.
Bobo is Not the Problem
January 3rd, 2012
10:16 am
How can you print anything an agent says with a straight face? They’re car salesmen. Constant posturing. You should be asahmed at your own ignorance for acting as Boras’ tool to pump his client.
Lew
January 3rd, 2012
10:18 am
We gave up nothing for him and next winter we will have enough extra cash to pick someone up if he does leave via Free Agency (which I imagine he will). Right now we have a limited budget and they picked him up to fill a need we’ve had for a couple of years. NO reason for Wren to trade him now when he has other needs to fill and plenty of pieces to trade for what he needs.
If you truly want to think outside the box on a trade, look to what Wren did to get Bourn – he could pull the same type of deal off right now to get the pieces we need without trading a need we already filled.
Bobo is Not the Problem
January 3rd, 2012
10:18 am
Lew is predictable.
Just had to get that in there.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
10:18 am
well I see we have another multiple-personality poster going again this morning. Prolly Lou/Earl/etc feeling frisky
Odelay
January 3rd, 2012
10:19 am
DOB, you’re the first person I’ve ever heard of to mention the pastornicky-as-chipper’s-heir thing. Almost every scout agrees his arm is too weak to stick on the left side of the infield for very long. I feel like you just made that up so that you could disagree with it. Slow news day?…year? I mean slow news year.
Man, I feel like the Braves are never going to do anything.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2012
10:19 am
Oblique (Obtuse) – Hanson is a Boras client…I expect him to stick around a while…if healthy.
Lew
January 3rd, 2012
10:20 am
nolie – Yep, and THAT is what is predicatble.
Just had to get that in there.
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
10:24 am
“Who, exactly are you going to get for him from the Orioles? Adam Jones?”
Yes, he plays CF.
“And how, exactly does that improve the Braves when what we need is someone to fill in in LF and RF when Prado plays third – then we’d have to go find another CFer, too.”
It may not improve the Braves, but trading Prado for Seth Smith doesn’t exactly improve the Braves either. And no you would not have to find another CFer. Jones plays center.
“Do you truly see Wren making more than one deal when it’s been so hard just to make one?”
Yeah I do because Wren will rob Peter to pay Paul. Jones is under team control for two more years and is not represented by Boros. And yes, Boros IS the boogieman! He breaks up far more team/player relationships than any other agent. Bourn will be on the first bus out of town at the end of the 2012 season, but more likely at the trade deadline in 2012 if the Braves are toast by then.
Wren can address this season and next in CF by acquiring Jones. He could keep Prado and roll along with Jones in Center instead of Bourn. Besides, there may be different factors at play if Wren waits another year to evaluate what he actually has and what pieces may be available after the 2012 season.
Will it improve the team? Who knows. I don’t think Wren is going to improve the team much this off-season with any trade he is considering.
VaBravesFan
January 3rd, 2012
10:24 am
I think Jon Heyman is a joke. Wonder if he gets paid for how many rumors he reports? If I was his boss I would notice how many of his stories turn out to be fairy tails.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 3rd, 2012
10:25 am
Bourn isn’t likely to get traded until at least July. Even then It will require two factors.
1. Braves are in third place or worse.
2. Big time prospects in return to replace the draft picks lost.
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
10:26 am
I think I’ll cry with joy if Hanson is healthy and dealing in Spring Training. Just had to get that out there.
Lew
January 3rd, 2012
10:28 am
Oblique – Whatever. We can’t seem to make a single deal, so you’d go out and not be able to make two deals – and STILL barely improving the Braves, because you still have no net gain,on RH Hitters – which are needed in this LH dominant lineup. What you’ve actually done is improve power a bit, lost defense, speed and your lead off hitter.
Yep, pretty freaking oblique.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
10:28 am
Pastornicky was clocked in a HS talent game at 90mph from SS with usual readings in the mid 80s. In HS anything over 80-82 is considered pretty good, 86-90 is above average
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
10:29 am
“Sheesh. What a douche.”
And as if on cue, the pot calls the kettle black.
“We gave up nothing for him and next winter we will have enough extra cash to pick someone up if he does leave via Free Agency ”
Ahhh the old, “we will have enough extra cash?” argument. The same extra cash that always seems to disappear every off season?
Arkansas Transplant
January 3rd, 2012
10:29 am
Although I really don’t care if they trade Bourn, there’s absolutely no way I would trade him and Prado or someone else to acquire Jones. Jones is extremely overrated at that price. But, I wouldn’t mind seeing us use a Bourn/Prado or Bourn/JJ package to acquire a return of Austin Jackson, Castellanos, Flynn and Fields. I’d definitely pull the trigger on something like that that would fix our cf position for an extended amount of time plus give us a great return of prospects along with someone that could possibly be Chipper’s heir at 3rd. Or at the very least, a group of prospects that we could use to improve elsewhere if need be.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2012
10:29 am
Why do the naysayers assume that NONE of the Braves that were hurt or underperformed last year will do the same (or worse) this year? I believe at least some (probably most) will bounce back. I also believe the September crash was an abberation, unlikely to be repeated.
On the positive side, we can all agree (I hope) that no Lowe, McLouth, and KK are positives, the new batting coaching duo will probably help, and the bullpen will be amoung the best in MLB.
I also know that Wren is not through with this team, and may not be until end of ST.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
10:30 am
Jones sux in center any more. Bill James site lists him very low the last three years
DAP
January 3rd, 2012
10:30 am
my oblique Bourne and JJ to O’s for Jones and another piece. O’s need a leadoff hitter and Bourne is a Boros client who LIKELY isn’t coming back to ATL after next season.
but the O’s arent close to competing. they dont need bourne (especially if they arent signing crsip, which is why folks are thinking jones might be available) and honestly, they dont need JJ. O’s should be trading for beachy or minor, maybe some young relievers or minor league players. not guys with one or two years of control.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
10:33 am
the Os owner is a moron, hard to get a reliable feel for what he might do
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2012
10:34 am
DAP – Don’t confuse us with logic, and the facts.
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
10:34 am
If the O’s are trading Adam Jones – shouldn’t it be strictly for prospects? Seems bizarre that they would even want Jurrjens. I know they need another veteran starter, but using Adam Jones to get that seems strange. I don’t buy the rumors, and Heyman has already stated this morning that Crisp isn’t signing with Baltimore.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2012
10:35 am
nolie – Agreed. All of those who wish for a new owner (local individual) only need to look at Baltimore to realize we could be a lot worse off.
Lew
January 3rd, 2012
10:35 am
No, I didn’t call a pot or a kettle black. I called you a douiche. Pretty accurate, IMO. Or would it be more accurate if I called you an uninformed douche?
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
10:37 am
Actually the argument digressed from a simple “if you don’t like that rumor, try this one” to a full blown Bourn for Jones trade.
I don’t think the Braves are trading Bourn for Jones. Never did. I was just arguing that it wasn’t a completely, nuthouse concept that the Braves would trade Bourn should an opportunity arise to fill the CF slot with someone who will be around past 2012.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 3rd, 2012
10:37 am
Efrim, don’t hold your breath. The big red head scares the hell out of me. Tommy is ninety percent arm action and little else throwing the ball. Hanson does have the arm and body to reach triple digits. However, his lack of pitching mechanics limits his velocity to the mid nineties. So until Tommy develops proper pitching techniques, he’s one pitch away from retirement.
VaBravesFan
January 3rd, 2012
10:38 am
I’m just talking in general about Heyman, I sure am happy he wrong about this trade. Adam Jones would be a downgrade to Prado in LF. Adam Jones is like BJ Upton tons of potential that could explode. But i’m not trading Jurrjens for that chance
dap01
January 3rd, 2012
10:38 am
The Rockies trade makes no sense. Who will back up third when Prado leaves? Why do we even remotely need a left handed platoon corner outfielder? The only thing that makes sense is the Braves are trying desperately to unload payroll.
Good luck selling tickets this year.
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
10:39 am
“Pretty accurate, IMO.”
Yes Lew and opinions are like……. well you know the rest. And you should know that very well because you are brown from head to toe.
VaBravesFan
January 3rd, 2012
10:40 am
Sign Wilson Betemit……….1 year deal should fit budget….keep Prado and Jurrjens.
DAP
January 3rd, 2012
10:40 am
my oblique, point is trading bourne doesnt make alot of sense for the braves, and your specific trade proposal makes no sense at all for the O’s. its not gonna happen.
trading bourne would mean we got a comparable player back, like Austin Jackson, as AT suggested.
dap01
January 3rd, 2012
10:41 am
Unless FW pulls a rabbit out of the hat and really surprises us with a trade that actually helps our team, he is in the running for “Worst GM of the Year:” He has (so far) had a horrible offseason.
JRW
January 3rd, 2012
10:42 am
Interesting read on Fielder, the Nationals re-pore with Borras and the their possible pursuit of Michael Bourn next off season
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Prince-Fielder-Washington-Nationals-mlb-hot-stove-free-agency-010212
TennesseePaul
January 3rd, 2012
10:42 am
Finally watched Money Ball last night. It was an entertaining movie. My wife loved it. She loves baseball, but doesn’t follow it as much as I do. I really liked it, but liked the book more. Having read the book and lived through the events, I did find the Carlos Pena trade scene to be a bit understated and over-simplified.
The movie:
A’s: “You want Pena? He’s yours for a reliever.”
Tigers: “What’s the catch?”
A’s: “No catch. Just need a reliever.”
Tigers: “OK”
Bean to Art: “You can’t put Pena in the line up tonight…”
Real life:
Traded as part of a 3-team trade by the Oakland Athletics with a player to be named later and Franklyn German to the Detroit Tigers. The New York Yankees sent Jason Arnold (minors), John-Ford Griffin and Ted Lilly to the Oakland Athletics. The Detroit Tigers sent Jeff Weaver to the New York Yankees. The Detroit Tigers sent cash to the Oakland Athletics. The Oakland Athletics sent Jeremy Bonderman (August 22, 2002) to the Detroit Tigers to complete the trade.
DAP
January 3rd, 2012
10:42 am
also, lets not rule out the braves resigning bourne. we are going to need a CFer in 2013, and chances are really good its going to be someone from outside the organization. so with all those free agent CFers, no reason to think bourne (or victorino, or upton) might not get hired by the braves.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
10:45 am
lso, lets not rule out the braves resigning bourne. DAP
very low odds IMO
David O'Brien
January 3rd, 2012
10:45 am
DOB, you’re the first person I’ve ever heard of to mention the pastornicky-as-chipper’s-heir thing. Almost every scout agrees his arm is too weak to stick on the left side of the infield for very long. I feel like you just made that up so that you could disagree with it. Slow news day?…year? I mean slow news year. — Odelay
READ the blog. I was asked by some fans about Pastornicky, and I said I’ve never heard anyone in the Braves organization mention that as a possibility and that it makes no sense because Pastornicky doesn’t profile as a third baseman, but Terdoslavich does. What are you reading? Just go on my Twitter feed from yesterday to see the question asked — by a fan, not a scout or anyone else. A fan. Just as I’m asked countless times whether Prado could move to shortstop to replace Alex Gonzalez, even though we know he’s not a shortstop and that’s his worst defensive position, as we’ve stated numerous times.
People ask questions, Odelay. If you choose to doubt those are actual people asking those questions, well, then I don’t know what to tell you.
DAP
January 3rd, 2012
10:45 am
nolie the Os owner is a moron, hard to get a reliable feel for what he might do
fair point.
abwright
January 3rd, 2012
10:45 am
For folks complaining about payroll, it seems that the Braves got their run going in ‘91 with a very cheap team, picked up some payroll to finally win the WS, and then declined back to mid market figures.
Except for the Yankees, it does seem that teams move up the list in payroll for a few years, only to decline again to the middle while someone else goes up the list.
Phillies will prolly be a big number for a few years and then return to their norms. Maybe the gNats are the next team to climb the big mountain.
Braves will prolly go another decade before thinking about returning to their big spender ways.
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
10:46 am
Thanks for the link, JRW.
And as if on cue, Ken Rosenthal writes:
“Yet, if the Nats traded Zimmerman, they could clear not just a position for Rendon, but also a high-salaried slot for yet another Boras client — center fielder Michael Bourn, who will be a free agent next offseason. For now, the Nats’ plan is to use Werth as a stopgap in center as they wait for Bourn and other center fielders to hit the open market.”
Nahh. Braves would not even consider trading Bourn. Or JJ. Or anyone else they think they won’t be able to sign.
Arkansas Transplant
January 3rd, 2012
10:47 am
I’d really like to see that return from Detroit. It would definitely free up payroll plus add a lot of depth to our positional players in the minors.
DAP
January 3rd, 2012
10:47 am
nolie so, lets not rule out the braves resigning bourne. DAP
very low odds IMO
but there is a 100% chance the braves will need a CFer in 2013. they dont have one ready to play in the system so…. seems to me that braves are as likely to resign bourne as they are any of the free agent CFers.
Lew
January 3rd, 2012
10:48 am
If I’m brown, it’s as a result of all the crap you’re spouting and spreading around here this morniong Lou/Earl/My Name Is Legion.
VaBravesFan
January 3rd, 2012
10:49 am
JRW
Yeah yesterday I was posted the possible 2013 Nationals Lineup. They have been interested in Bourn for a while and will continue to spend money. They like BJ Upton and Denard Span a ton too.
CF Bourn
SS Espinosa
3B Zimmerman
1B Fielder
LF Werth
C Ramos
RF Harper
2B Rendon
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
10:49 am
possible, but gonna be too expensive IMO DAP.
My Oblique is Killin' Me!
January 3rd, 2012
10:51 am
“If I’m brown, it’s as a result of all the crap you’re spouting and spreading around here this morniong Lou/Earl/My Name Is Legion.”
Lew, paranoia is not a pretty thing. Get help.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
10:51 am
guy dropped back to his 87 career OPS+ in Atlanta with a stinky 321 OBP. If he has another year like that he might stay affordable but who wants that from a leadoff hitter? If he has a better season he is gonna draw big bucks I think
abwright
January 3rd, 2012
10:52 am
Another utterly random thought …
With 30 teams in MLB (not always of course) and about 150 years of history, on average every team should have won about 4 WS.
Granted, the Yankees and Cardinals have been the big gluttons, and teams like the Braves (longest continuously running MLB franchise) have been abstemious (3 WS in their history). Still, one WS every 30 years would have to be considered the norm. Of course, if Lonnie Smith rounds second base and goes on to score, Braves would be right on their average.
I’m not that well-versed on Cubbie history, but I think, if any team could complain about long-term suckage, it would be the Cubs (longest current drought between WS wins).
Based on my 30 years between WS wins, Braves will have to wait til 2025 to win it all again.
abwright
January 3rd, 2012
10:53 am
Of course, the Boston Red Sox won two-three Championships in the early days (can’t remember the exact years or numbers) and then went about 100 years before winning two more. Could be another 100 years before they pick up their next WS.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 3rd, 2012
10:57 am
Ya’ll stop drinking the kool aid. Bourn is gone after 2012. He’s gonna get something similar to the seven year 142 million contract afforded to Carl Crawford. Which is way to rich for the Braves budgetary constraints.
mikey d
January 3rd, 2012
10:57 am
Hey Dave – Thanks for the blog – hope you see this – any reason the Braves aren’t resigning Jack Wilson? Seems like a good fit for what they are trying to do and a good team guy. Just wondering.
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
11:00 am
Coco Crisp close to returning to A’s. Crisp in CF, Reddick in RF. They have to finally give Michael Taylor a shot in LF to see if the kid can play or not, right?
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 3rd, 2012
11:01 am
Edgar Renteria and or Jeff Keppinger to the bench. But I suspect Wren is trying to unload Jurrjens before adding more payroll.
Humbug
January 3rd, 2012
11:04 am
For the Braves sake I hope they keep Martin Prado. He is a very good player who was handicapped last season by a staph infection. Since he has
recovered from that he should regain his past hustle and I don’t think there is a better replacement for Chipper at third base. He deserves that chance.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
11:04 am
Bourn is not gonna get 20 mil per year, not even close.
of course neither should Crawford
RC
January 3rd, 2012
11:05 am
Ya’ll stop drinking the kool aid. Bourn is gone after 2012. He’s gonna get something similar to the seven year 142 million contract afforded to Carl Crawford.
REALLY?!?!?! You honestly think that Michael Bourn, he of the 13 career HR, is going to get a similar contract to Crawford, who hit 19 in just his contract year?
I don’t know about drinking kool aid, but whatever you are drinking must be a helluva lot stronger.
VaBravesFan
January 3rd, 2012
11:06 am
Coach
Michael Bourn will not sniff 100 mil… I think he’ll get 5 or 6 years around 12 to 15 mil a season. But all this depends on his 2012 season.
Arkansas Transplant
January 3rd, 2012
11:06 am
I read somewhere that Keppinger is looking to sign somewhere where he can play on a daily basis. Otherwise he would be a great addition to our bench, but I just don’t think he’s wanting to fill a bench role.
VaBravesFan
January 3rd, 2012
11:08 am
Keppinger is kinda like Theriot, defense isnt good at SS.
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
11:10 am
DAP, I think it’s a stretch to see Bourn re-signed here. I don’t think the Braves will overpay for him, even if they do have $40 million to spend next offseason.
Ray
January 3rd, 2012
11:11 am
Many many on here rip Liberty Media despite that the Braves payroll is right around 90m give or take a couple of mil. Which would you rather have Liberty Media or Peter Angelos as the Braves owner? There is a lot of talk about how horrible LM is as the Braves owner. I would rather have them than PA. He doesn’t allow his baseball people to do their job. He is a wanna be Steinbrenner/Ted Turner. Yanks and Braves did not turn around until the respective owners turned the baseball decisions over to their baseball people.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
11:11 am
little better hitter than Theriot, but about the same defensively which I think makes it a bit unlikely that the Braves would sign either
VaBravesFan
January 3rd, 2012
11:11 am
Efrim
Agreed, I think the most the Braves would want to pay would be around 10 mil a season.
Efrim
January 3rd, 2012
11:13 am
We haven’t seen 2012’s performance from Bourn yet, but I think the max deal for him will be in the 70-75 million range for five years. That is the absolute max he gets. I think he ends up getting 60 million for five years. Too rich for the Braves.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 3rd, 2012
11:13 am
RC, yes I do because I said SIMILAR. not exactly what Crawford received but still to rich for the Braves. Does Scott Boras ring a bell???? He’s gonna get top dollar for Bourn.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2012
11:13 am
dap01 – Did I miss something? Is the season starting tomorrow???? Why don’t you wait until the end of ST before you judge Wren as “worse GM of the Year”. We will be competitive for the first game of the season…with or without a “rabbit out of a hat”. Take a breath.
dap01
January 3rd, 2012
11:14 am
All of this would be easier to digest if FW would say, “we are having to cut payroll”. Instead, the Braves say (just like last year) that they are raising payroll.
Booooo to the cost cutting Braves organization.
nolie
January 3rd, 2012
11:15 am
poor baby………..
VaBravesFan
January 3rd, 2012
11:15 am
Even tho Boras is the Bourn’s agent, Wren hasnt talked to Bourn about a possible contract yet. Its totally up to Bourn. Always a chance he takes the security of a deal now instead of playing a whole year where anything can happen. I’m sure DOB will get details on this after something has actually happened.
dap01
January 3rd, 2012
11:16 am
raleighbravefan: Yes you did miss something. Re-read the first sentence.