Popular point of view – Braves tanked in September, and must make significant changes, or will lose ground bigtime. 3 or 4 best in division, at best. LM are shortsighted tightwads, and FW is a moron.
OTHER point of view (shared by me and many others) – Although we must make a move at SS, and need some other “tweaking”, we basically have a solid team. Sept swoon was an aberration caused by a perfect storm of many factors, and is unlikely to be repeated. If players get healthy, and most return to (or near) norms, we will be a very competitive team, as we were most of 2010. Improvements already include Bourn for full season, new hitting coaches, and no Lowe.
Time will tell…truth may be somewhere in between…but personally, I am looking forward to what is like.y a very successful and enjoyable season, and an even better future.
There are likely to be more/better options available near end of ST than there are now. But by all means, let’s have a hissyfit if FW doesn’t do something now.
The Cats on MLB Tonight was blaming the CHOKE on The overuse and abuse on O-Vent-Brel and Both Double J and Big Red getting Injured…That was such a Copout Excuse because Teheran and Delgado and BB All three pitched Well but all 3 got No Run Support…
I blame it on the AWFense because the only thing consistant about the Awfense was its Inconsistancy. Thats why I was calling for Parrish to get Ol Yellered in June…
I agree that it’s due to Wren’s decisions that we don’t have any financial flexibility. I also agree that that’s not necessarily a bad thing, since he used those dollars on Uggla and Bourn. The reason we don’t have much money to make a move is because we’ve already used our money on a pretty dang good team as it currently stands. Pastornicky isn’t option A, but he was going to start at some point, and if he’s the weakest link of the team we should still be in good shape.
“I think CB’s against corporations owning sports teams.”
I agree with that…Just as Much as I’m opposed to Corporate Naming and Renaming of stadiums when all the locals still call it the former name…Case in point Joe Robbie Stadium will always be called that…
There are likely to be more/better options available near end of ST than there are now.
Really? How do you figure? The only options that will be left at that time are whatever players no team wanted to sign and whatever players teams discarded because they have better.
I really just want a back up SS and an outfielder. That’s all I want. Good to go in April if we get that. Don’t really feel comfortable handing those roles to Jose Constanza and Drew Sutton. And I’d rather the names be something better than cast offs in spring training.
Did we choke nearly as bad in 2010 as 2011? I know we got in, but we definitely backed in right? Under .500 September on. Perhaps not “an aberration caused by a perfect storm of many factors.” Relying on young players for a full 162? Team playing over its head? Just devil’s advocate…
To be more specific, most large corporations pay all or a large portion of their employees’ health insurance premiums. So health insurance coverage is a part of their total compensation package. Conversely, smaller companies usually just include health insurance premiums in a cafeteria plan which means that the employee will save on payroll taxes, but still end up paying all or most of their own health insurance premiums.
I thought it would be quicker just to say “free.” But, you are correct, nothing in life is free.
I’d give him a solid B. Relying on Sherril, Linebrink, and Proctor, and not getting a relief pitcher at the deadline stick out to me as where he fell short. And I think he should have probably called Fredi in to discuss some of his decision making as it related to lineup construction and bullpen management.
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#Cubs had couple of inquiries on Soriano, but no match. Plenty of other RH bats on FA market: Vlad, Ludwick, Magglio, Cody Ross, etc. #MLB
Did we choke nearly as bad in 2010 as 2011? I know we got in, but we definitely backed in right? Under .500 September on. Perhaps not “an aberration caused by a perfect storm of many factors.” Relying on young players for a full 162? Team playing over its head? Just devil’s advocate… – BAS
That’s a legitimate point to bring up, although I’d say the catastrophic injuries we faced in 2010 (Chipper, Prado, to a lesser extent Glaus) played a big factor in our decline that year. While we certainly had some significant injuries this year as well, they were much more in line with what you would expect under normal circumstances.
I ran across this while looking for something else, but if you ever had any second thoughts about how serious the Dominican Republic is about baseball, this should dispell them.
542 players have played MLB from this small country which takes up 2/3 of the island of Hispanola and is 18,000 sq. mi. or 1/3 the size of GA.
January 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
The Dude did an A- job last year…
I’d give him a solid B. Relying on Sherril, Linebrink, and Proctor, and not getting a relief pitcher at the deadline stick out to me as where he fell short. And I think he should have probably called Fredi in to discuss some of his decision making as it related to lineup construction and bullpen management.
Good Point! But The Sheriff’s (Sherrill) stats are misleading…The dude had a 3.00 era last year…Problem was he’d go 5 appearances w/o giving up a run and then His 6th appearance whould be “Implosion Time!”
I thought the Sheriff did a good job in the last 2/3’s of the Season…
While I didn’t consider injuries, I can’t look at the current roster and feel we’re in any better position. The roster is littered with risks. As many as ever I’d say. Prado, Heyward, Chipper, certainly. Along with Husdon, and several coming off injury, or a lot of innings for their age. While we may not be any better or worse relative to the league, I don’t think we’re in any better shape than the last two years.
Not a bad point on Sherril. I did feel like watching the games that Fredi simply didn’t trust him unless the game was already out of hand. And that might have been with very good reason…it’s hard to say. I just felt like for the money he was costing the team his performance left something to be desired, whether that was his own fault, or simply in the way he was used.
I don’t disagree with you that there are a lot of injury risks on the team. However, I think that the likelyhood is not that high that they will actualize themselves as badly as they did in 2010. That was a 1/100 type of injury situation, IMO.
I will give it to you. You got a set on you to even ask me anything after being prick of the blog. I will never respond to a serial rapist such as you since you want to put a mind control mute switch date rape drug in women
You make me sick. Just live your little self important role here
I will give it to you. You got a set on you to even ask me anything after being prick of the blog. I will never respond to a serial rapist such as you since you want to put a mind control mute switch date rape drug in women
You make me sick. Just live your little self important role here”
Sorry hit the wrong key. I was saying he could be easier to pry away from the Tigers than Jones from Baltimore. Also he is younger and a better fielder with speed as well. Could you see the Braves getting involved?
Mike, sorry man, on the Kelsey Grammar. Don’t like the guy, though I would’ve tried ‘Boss’ if I could get it, based on the recs here. Give us the reference, sir.
Sorry BAS, my comment was meant to be funny as well. I’ll retreat to the Corner of Shame now, until summoned upon by someone asking why we don’t just trade for Adam Jones.
Sorry, with the Kelsey Grammer talk just before nolie started asking about Revenge, it just popped in my head. Then I became sad that there were no old-school Simpsons fans around to pick up on it. Although in defense of the denizens, it was posted at 4 or 5 am or so…
I know everyone (myself included) has been focused on the needed upgrades on offense, but one of our biggest issues in 2011 was how the bullpen was overused and ran out of steam. With Fredi’s managerial style and the health questions of Hanson, Huddy, and JJ, I have a feeling that the bullpen will log quite a few innings again in 2012. Therefore, even though it is a strength, why not make it even stronger?
To that effect, I say we sign Ryan Madson. Adding him to the three headed monster of O’Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrel really shortens the game, taking pressure off of both the starters and the offense.
CF Bourn
LF Prado
3B Chipper
2B Uggla
C McCann
1B Freeman
RF Heyward
SS Pastornicky
SP Hudson
SP Hanson
SP Jurrjens
SP Beachy
SP Minor
LR Martinez
MR Medlen
MR Vavaro
SU Venters
SU O’Flaherty
SU Madson
CL Kimbrel
Not a terrible thought. But if his price drops low enough for the Braves to get involved, other teams with more to offer financially will be there too.
I think signing Madson for a one-year deal would be a fantastic idea. However, I’m relatively sure that he will require at LEAST a 3-year deal to sign, and possibly a 4th (or some kind of vesting option). With that being the case, I think signing him would be a very poor decision, as you’d be tying up 3 years worth of resources that you will need to address other holes in future years (such as CF, 3b, and possibly LF).
Exactly DAP, when he hypnotizes Bart to try to kill Krusty. He pops open the kettle chips as he’s basking in the greatness of his scheme in the catwalk of the theater.
That could be attributed to a sophmore slump in which we saw what Heyward experienced last year and Jackson had better numbers than Heyward last year minus the K’s. I’m not saying Jackson will be as good as Heyward but even that remains to be seen as far as what we have in Jason. Jackson’s numbers were pretty good in 2010 without the power which could come in time for Jackson. Also Jackson is pretty good in the OF. I’d much rather have him than Jones from Baltimore and I believe the Braves would have to give up less to get Jackson than Jones.
I’d take Austin Jackson, take a look at his rookie year.
I’m still bitter he chose to play baseball for the Yankees instead of point guard for Georgia Tech. Him choosing not to go to college was the turning point for their basketball program, in my opinion. Of course, if I was offered the money he was offered, I’d probably have skipped college too.
I can’t see why a lot of y’all don’t see what the Marlins see in that Zambrano deal.
A) Cubs are picking up pretty much the whole contract…comes down to a 1-year deal.
B) Zambrano in Miami? That will put some fannies in the seats.
C) Guillen has a much better chance of turning him around than most.
D) Last year was Zambrano’s only year where he had an ERA over 4.00…and that was in Wrigley. I’m assuming the new park will play like the old one but I’m not sure.
E) They were dumping Volstad anyway.
Oh!! And the Marlins traded Volstad to get Zambrano!! That’s even BETTER!! Volstad is out of the NL East and Zambrano is in!! OMGosh! This is almost as exciting as BMac hitting an RBI Double……
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One thing we have not talked about,, I don’t think. Is the dimensions of the new ballpark. It appears to be very spacious and maybe not a hitters ballpark. Lines are 344 in LF and 335 RF.. LF gaps are 386 and RF gap is 392 with CF 422. That is a big ballpark. Great for the pitchers but for the hr hitters, those numbers could be cut down drastically.
Pretty crazy that my little league ball field has bigger dimensions than the Yankees stadium. Were talking 15 to 18 years olds play on it. We had about atleast 5 total homers hit in it a season (around 16 games a season)
TommyP ,, I don’t think anyone is faulting the Marlins for making the deal. The potential problem with Zambrano is his ready to explode any moment mentality. All it takes is one time Hanley or someone else to commit an error during a bad inning and he implodes and then there is a big situation. He has a bit of a history with that.
I thought MIGUEL TEJADA played with CIBAENAS in DOMINICAN League this winter, but no cumulative stats given. he is on the roster however, and I could have sworn I saw him in the line-up more than once while scanning for BRAVES stats.
A very good movie from the 50’s is coming on if anyone wants to set their TIVO for TCM Tuesday at 2:30 PM.
Rebel Without a Cause with James Dean and Natalie Wood. Dean died in a car wreck shortly after this movie while at the top of the ladder in Hollywood. Wood at the start of a successful career that endeed abruptly when she drowned in 1981.
January 5th, 2012
5:29 pm
I’d take Austin Jackson, take a look at his rookie year…AT
why would we look at the rookie year and ignore the very poor sophomore year? I would not trade JJ for him, nor Prado either right now
Really? really? Take a look at Heyward’s sophmore year. Guess the Braves should trade him huh? I’d say between Jackson’s speed, defense and potential bat would serve the Braves better in LF than Prado, a true 2nd baseman forced to play OF and has been injured the last 2 seasons.
Really???, then why don’t we just look at his worst week from 2011. Would that make you feel better about not wanting him? It’s funny you didn’t make any reference to his speed and defense or would that negate your statement?
Jackson could be a buy low candidate. I just don’t see the Tigers trading him for Jurrjens. Maybe in a deal for Prado but would likely cost us a prospect as well.
I’m sure someone will dissect and bash the heck out of this e-mail but this is what I sent to Liberty Media on their website: http://www.libertymedia.com/contact-us.aspx Thanks to Brava and BAS.
I’m just curious to know if anyone at your office has any interest in the Atlanta Braves organization whatsoever or if it’s just a big tax break? If it is a tax break how does it affect your taxes? If the team brings in more money do you get a better break? If you put more money into the team do you get more back?
The reason I ask is because as a long time Braves fan that lives in Utah (not far from you guys) it has been frustrating for me to watch all the teams in the NL East (that’s the division the Braves play in if you weren’t aware) expand their payroll and get better while all the Braves offices tell us that they don’t have the money to go after free agents and even have to trade players they currently have because of payroll restrictions.
This year it looks like we will be starting Tyler Pastornicky at SS, just wondering if you have ever heard of this young man that will be starting at a key position on a baseball team you own this year?
I know that Liberty Media is a business and businesses make the best decision for the business, so I’m sure an e-mail from a fan will likely fall on deaf ears (if anyone reads it anyways). But from a business standpoint wouldn’t it do you some good to put a winning franchise on the field? Could Atlanta win a World Series with the team they have now? If all the blocks fall into place, maybe but I’m an optimist. In my heart I feel they are a couple of pieces away from being a real contender. Wouldn’t it benefit you to have them win a World Series? Sell more tickets, more memorabilia, etc? I’m sure I’m not the first person to tell you that you gotta spend money to make money, so don’t be afraid to spend it on the Braves. Put a World Series ring on your finger and join an elite club of owners that have one.
Although I would love to add Ryan Madson, I just don’t see him taking a 1 year deal to be a set up guy (though if he did I could easily see it with the Braves or someone to try to stick it to the Phillies). He could get a 1 year deal with a good deal more money to be a 1 year closer for someone else
I’d be willing to give the Tiger’s Prado and JJ if we could acquire Jackson and Castellanos plus a couple other prospects. Then I’d look to sign Cespedes, Betemit and possibly take a fly on Tejada.
That’s what AT and I are saying with Jackson. Tigers were interested in Prado earlier in the offseason so it would be him traded with maybe some low prospect to throw in, much less than the Braves would have to give up to get Jones. Plus Jackson is better in the OF, has speed and had a pretty good rookie season.
TommyP, Oh If I was the Marlins, I would do that too. Nothing to lose. Is it much of an upgrade,, hmm maybe slightly. Yeah I would say a slight upgrade.
All indications are that Cespedes is going to be the real deal. I’d like to see him pan out and if that were to happen, after next season we’d have the outfield set even though Bourn is surely to walk. We’d still have Jackson, Heyward and Cespedes. And this year it would give us flexibility against lefties with Jackson and Cespedes being righties.
Really? really? Take a look at Heyward’s sophmore year @Ark
one has nothing to do with the other.
We already have Heyward , unproven or not, so he costs us nothing more.
We would have to give up quality to get Jackson and that would be a foolish thing to do at this point.
Not sure why you would think that the situations are at all similar.
VaBravesFan; Keith Law is constantly wrong on minor league players.
A lot of people are constantly wrong about minor league players. Comes with the territory. Some players regress, some grow, others never quite get it together, others succeed seemingly despite themselves. What Law does offer is a different perspective separate from the traditional BA-dominated prospect talk. He tries to keep himself unbiased and original, and I enjoy that part of his analysis.
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raleighbravefan
January 5th, 2012
3:25 pm
Popular point of view – Braves tanked in September, and must make significant changes, or will lose ground bigtime. 3 or 4 best in division, at best. LM are shortsighted tightwads, and FW is a moron.
OTHER point of view (shared by me and many others) – Although we must make a move at SS, and need some other “tweaking”, we basically have a solid team. Sept swoon was an aberration caused by a perfect storm of many factors, and is unlikely to be repeated. If players get healthy, and most return to (or near) norms, we will be a very competitive team, as we were most of 2010. Improvements already include Bourn for full season, new hitting coaches, and no Lowe.
Time will tell…truth may be somewhere in between…but personally, I am looking forward to what is like.y a very successful and enjoyable season, and an even better future.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
3:26 pm
Bayou Brave
“free (or mostly free) health insurance, and a 401k retirement plan with a company match.”
(Waving Arm) Pardon me Bro, I don’t mean to intercept? but Where I come from nothing is free
jeffrey d (The Lion King)
January 5th, 2012
3:26 pm
I think CB’s against corporations owning sports teams.
raleighbravefan
January 5th, 2012
3:28 pm
There are likely to be more/better options available near end of ST than there are now. But by all means, let’s have a hissyfit if FW doesn’t do something now.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
3:29 pm
@Ralieghbravesfan
The Cats on MLB Tonight was blaming the CHOKE on The overuse and abuse on O-Vent-Brel and Both Double J and Big Red getting Injured…That was such a Copout Excuse because Teheran and Delgado and BB All three pitched Well but all 3 got No Run Support…
I blame it on the AWFense because the only thing consistant about the Awfense was its Inconsistancy. Thats why I was calling for Parrish to get Ol Yellered in June…
RC
January 5th, 2012
3:29 pm
Efrim,
I agree that it’s due to Wren’s decisions that we don’t have any financial flexibility. I also agree that that’s not necessarily a bad thing, since he used those dollars on Uggla and Bourn. The reason we don’t have much money to make a move is because we’ve already used our money on a pretty dang good team as it currently stands. Pastornicky isn’t option A, but he was going to start at some point, and if he’s the weakest link of the team we should still be in good shape.
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
3:30 pm
PD,
When/where’d you play. Give us some details, man.
CB
January 5th, 2012
3:30 pm
You got it, Lion King.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
3:30 pm
jeffrey d (The Lion King)
“I think CB’s against corporations owning sports teams.”
I agree with that…Just as Much as I’m opposed to Corporate Naming and Renaming of stadiums when all the locals still call it the former name…Case in point Joe Robbie Stadium will always be called that…
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
3:31 pm
I also agree that that’s not necessarily a bad thing, since he used those dollars on Uggla and Bourn.
Agreed. That was what that Warning was for.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
3:32 pm
As Bitch y I can get on here at times (Especially During The Games) Buttt????
Am I the only one on here who gives Mad Love to Wren??? He does the best that our cheap owners give to him….The dude is flat out resourceful..
The Dude did an A- job last year…
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
3:33 pm
RC, agreed. It’s not going to be Pastornicky slumping in the 8 hole as to why the Braves potentially fail in 2012.
Brava
January 5th, 2012
3:33 pm
There are likely to be more/better options available near end of ST than there are now.
Really? How do you figure? The only options that will be left at that time are whatever players no team wanted to sign and whatever players teams discarded because they have better.
RC
January 5th, 2012
3:34 pm
Agreed. That was what that Warning was for.
I know. Just wanted to re-emphasize.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
3:35 pm
I really just want a back up SS and an outfielder. That’s all I want. Good to go in April if we get that. Don’t really feel comfortable handing those roles to Jose Constanza and Drew Sutton. And I’d rather the names be something better than cast offs in spring training.
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
3:36 pm
Did we choke nearly as bad in 2010 as 2011? I know we got in, but we definitely backed in right? Under .500 September on. Perhaps not “an aberration caused by a perfect storm of many factors.” Relying on young players for a full 162? Team playing over its head? Just devil’s advocate…
Bayou Brave
January 5th, 2012
3:36 pm
Tomahawkin,
To be more specific, most large corporations pay all or a large portion of their employees’ health insurance premiums. So health insurance coverage is a part of their total compensation package. Conversely, smaller companies usually just include health insurance premiums in a cafeteria plan which means that the employee will save on payroll taxes, but still end up paying all or most of their own health insurance premiums.
I thought it would be quicker just to say “free.” But, you are correct, nothing in life is free.
RC
January 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
The Dude did an A- job last year…
I’d give him a solid B. Relying on Sherril, Linebrink, and Proctor, and not getting a relief pitcher at the deadline stick out to me as where he fell short. And I think he should have probably called Fredi in to discuss some of his decision making as it related to lineup construction and bullpen management.
jeffrey d (The Lion King)
January 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
As Bitch y I can get on here at times (Especially During The Games)
You?? Nooooo
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
3:39 pm
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#Cubs had couple of inquiries on Soriano, but no match. Plenty of other RH bats on FA market: Vlad, Ludwick, Magglio, Cody Ross, etc. #MLB
Only one worth of a deal is Ross, imo.
RC
January 5th, 2012
3:39 pm
Did we choke nearly as bad in 2010 as 2011? I know we got in, but we definitely backed in right? Under .500 September on. Perhaps not “an aberration caused by a perfect storm of many factors.” Relying on young players for a full 162? Team playing over its head? Just devil’s advocate… – BAS
That’s a legitimate point to bring up, although I’d say the catastrophic injuries we faced in 2010 (Chipper, Prado, to a lesser extent Glaus) played a big factor in our decline that year. While we certainly had some significant injuries this year as well, they were much more in line with what you would expect under normal circumstances.
keylargo
January 5th, 2012
3:39 pm
I ran across this while looking for something else, but if you ever had any second thoughts about how serious the Dominican Republic is about baseball, this should dispell them.
542 players have played MLB from this small country which takes up 2/3 of the island of Hispanola and is 18,000 sq. mi. or 1/3 the size of GA.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/D-R-_born.shtml
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
3:47 pm
Ease
“Wish I had a dollar for every time Tomahawkin said “Bank On It!”
Yeah, Me Too
When I say that Phrase That Pays, I’m Usually Dead On!
McFann O O o
January 5th, 2012
3:47 pm
RC And I think he should have probably called Fredi in to discuss some of his decision making as it related to lineup construction…
I would have been more than happy to share my thoughts on that, too—I’m available at all times if Fredi wishes to talk to me about such things…
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
3:49 pm
RC
January 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
The Dude did an A- job last year…
I’d give him a solid B. Relying on Sherril, Linebrink, and Proctor, and not getting a relief pitcher at the deadline stick out to me as where he fell short. And I think he should have probably called Fredi in to discuss some of his decision making as it related to lineup construction and bullpen management.
Good Point! But The Sheriff’s (Sherrill) stats are misleading…The dude had a 3.00 era last year…Problem was he’d go 5 appearances w/o giving up a run and then His 6th appearance whould be “Implosion Time!”
I thought the Sheriff did a good job in the last 2/3’s of the Season…
No Comment on Linestink
TennesseePaul
January 5th, 2012
3:51 pm
Don’t really feel comfortable handing those roles to Jose Constanza and Drew Sutton
Drew could help the AAA team’s OBP. Seems to be amazing at drawing minor league walks.
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
3:51 pm
RC,
While I didn’t consider injuries, I can’t look at the current roster and feel we’re in any better position. The roster is littered with risks. As many as ever I’d say. Prado, Heyward, Chipper, certainly. Along with Husdon, and several coming off injury, or a lot of innings for their age. While we may not be any better or worse relative to the league, I don’t think we’re in any better shape than the last two years.
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
3:53 pm
“When I say that Phrase That Pays, I’m Usually Dead On!”
Yeah… Uh… That’s not true. Pepperidge?
RC
January 5th, 2012
3:54 pm
Tomahawkin (The Godfather),
Not a bad point on Sherril. I did feel like watching the games that Fredi simply didn’t trust him unless the game was already out of hand. And that might have been with very good reason…it’s hard to say. I just felt like for the money he was costing the team his performance left something to be desired, whether that was his own fault, or simply in the way he was used.
Mike S
January 5th, 2012
4:02 pm
Disappointed in the blog. Nobody recognized my Kettle Chips/Revenge quote from the overnights, even with the Kelsey Grammer hint. Tsk tsk.
RC
January 5th, 2012
4:03 pm
BAS,
I don’t disagree with you that there are a lot of injury risks on the team. However, I think that the likelyhood is not that high that they will actualize themselves as badly as they did in 2010. That was a 1/100 type of injury situation, IMO.
PD
January 5th, 2012
4:04 pm
BAS/P-O-S
I will give it to you. You got a set on you to even ask me anything after being prick of the blog. I will never respond to a serial rapist such as you since you want to put a mind control mute switch date rape drug in women
You make me sick. Just live your little self important role here
Paul S.
January 5th, 2012
4:05 pm
DOB:
Have you heard back from anyone on the Braves’ alleged interest in Miguel Tejada?
David O'Brien
January 5th, 2012
4:07 pm
DOB-Could the Braves ever be interested in Ryan Ludwick? — Ward
If they run out of other better options — which is, if they run out of almost all good options.
Ludwick is not close to the player he was a few years back. He’s 33 and hit .237 with a .674 OPS last year in 553 PAs.
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
4:10 pm
PD
“January 5th, 2012
4:04 pm
BAS/P-O-S
I will give it to you. You got a set on you to even ask me anything after being prick of the blog. I will never respond to a serial rapist such as you since you want to put a mind control mute switch date rape drug in women
You make me sick. Just live your little self important role here”
Ouch
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
4:12 pm
@Paul S
Hell No To Miguel Tejada!
No More former Roid Users!
I’m happy with T-Pass Out there batting 8th as a rookie…
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
4:17 pm
How’d you get ‘date rape’ out of a fantasy ‘like me and shut her up?’ I realize I’m not much of a gentleman, but really? And, stay classy brother.
JC Brave
January 5th, 2012
4:17 pm
I dont see the logic in the Marlins’ deal. Volstad for Zambrano? how in the world is that an upgrade? that’s even a clubhouse downgrade!
Zambrano hast been exactly what you’d call stellar for the last couple of years. He hasnt even touched 170 IP for the last 3 seasons..
Volstad’s numbers have been somewhat awful his first 4 years… but man, Zambrano is a cancer.
Reyes, Ramirez and Zambrano in the same Clubhouse, that’s gonna be… “fun”.
BravePack
January 5th, 2012
4:17 pm
DOB
What are your thoughts on Jackson from Detroit? Seems like he could be easier to pry from the T
Mike S
January 5th, 2012
4:18 pm
I’m on Team BAS! (Isn’t that how the kids do it these days?)
BravePack
January 5th, 2012
4:19 pm
DOB
Sorry hit the wrong key. I was saying he could be easier to pry away from the Tigers than Jones from Baltimore. Also he is younger and a better fielder with speed as well. Could you see the Braves getting involved?
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
4:21 pm
Mike, sorry man, on the Kelsey Grammar. Don’t like the guy, though I would’ve tried ‘Boss’ if I could get it, based on the recs here. Give us the reference, sir.
RC
January 5th, 2012
4:21 pm
I’m on Team BAS! (Isn’t that how the kids do it these days?)
Not picking on Mike, but that comment made me realize that asking if this is “how the kids do it” is pretty much the opposite of “how the kids do it”.
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
4:23 pm
“how the kids do it” is pretty much the opposite of “how the kids do it”.
That’s what makes it funny, you literal bastard. Damn Mike, this day-shift stuff is tough.
RC
January 5th, 2012
4:26 pm
Sorry BAS, my comment was meant to be funny as well. I’ll retreat to the Corner of Shame now, until summoned upon by someone asking why we don’t just trade for Adam Jones.
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
4:28 pm
LOL, RC. I don’t emoticon, but I needed one there. Thanks for taking it in the spirit it was intended. My bad (isn’t that how the kids do it?).
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
4:29 pm
I’ve got kool-aid older than some of these childrins…
TennesseePaul
January 5th, 2012
4:30 pm
***Hype Split***
Ryan Ludwick did hit .264/.350/.413/.763 against left handed pitching last year and .400/.467/.625/1.092 with runners on first and second.
And that’s about it. Man he was bad last year.
DAP
January 5th, 2012
4:33 pm
mike S, wild guess, does it have anything to do with the simpsons?
Mike S
January 5th, 2012
4:40 pm
There you go DAP! One of my favorite lines from the Grammer-voiced Sideshow Bob…
“Ah Kettle Chips, the perfect side dish… for Revenge!”
Mike S
January 5th, 2012
4:42 pm
Sorry, with the Kelsey Grammer talk just before nolie started asking about Revenge, it just popped in my head. Then I became sad that there were no old-school Simpsons fans around to pick up on it. Although in defense of the denizens, it was posted at 4 or 5 am or so…
Mike S
January 5th, 2012
4:43 pm
Agreed, BAS. Pretty much universally (at least for my morning hating, night owl arse), everything is easier at night…
DAP
January 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
Mike S, you know, i thought i knew that when you posted it but i thought “no way thats right…”
thats when sideshow bob kills krusty? …or when he tries to kill bart for catching him trying to kill krusty? something like that.
BravesFanSince1982
January 5th, 2012
4:47 pm
I know everyone (myself included) has been focused on the needed upgrades on offense, but one of our biggest issues in 2011 was how the bullpen was overused and ran out of steam. With Fredi’s managerial style and the health questions of Hanson, Huddy, and JJ, I have a feeling that the bullpen will log quite a few innings again in 2012. Therefore, even though it is a strength, why not make it even stronger?
To that effect, I say we sign Ryan Madson. Adding him to the three headed monster of O’Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrel really shortens the game, taking pressure off of both the starters and the offense.
CF Bourn
LF Prado
3B Chipper
2B Uggla
C McCann
1B Freeman
RF Heyward
SS Pastornicky
SP Hudson
SP Hanson
SP Jurrjens
SP Beachy
SP Minor
LR Martinez
MR Medlen
MR Vavaro
SU Venters
SU O’Flaherty
SU Madson
CL Kimbrel
Just a thought
keylargo
January 5th, 2012
4:48 pm
BravePack
I came up with a new slash line that has 5 categories that should tell the Austin Jackson story.
I’d want no part of him and his 181 K’s,/ .249 BA / .317 OBP/ .374 SLG/ .690 OPS
181 .249 .317 .374 .690
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
4:52 pm
Just a thought
Not a terrible thought. But if his price drops low enough for the Braves to get involved, other teams with more to offer financially will be there too.
RC
January 5th, 2012
4:53 pm
BravesFanSince1982,
I think signing Madson for a one-year deal would be a fantastic idea. However, I’m relatively sure that he will require at LEAST a 3-year deal to sign, and possibly a 4th (or some kind of vesting option). With that being the case, I think signing him would be a very poor decision, as you’d be tying up 3 years worth of resources that you will need to address other holes in future years (such as CF, 3b, and possibly LF).
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 2012
4:54 pm
Madson still costs your pick, right?
Mike S
January 5th, 2012
4:54 pm
Exactly DAP, when he hypnotizes Bart to try to kill Krusty. He pops open the kettle chips as he’s basking in the greatness of his scheme in the catwalk of the theater.
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
4:58 pm
I’d take Austin Jackson, take a look at his rookie year.
BravePack
January 5th, 2012
4:59 pm
keylargo
That could be attributed to a sophmore slump in which we saw what Heyward experienced last year and Jackson had better numbers than Heyward last year minus the K’s. I’m not saying Jackson will be as good as Heyward but even that remains to be seen as far as what we have in Jason. Jackson’s numbers were pretty good in 2010 without the power which could come in time for Jackson. Also Jackson is pretty good in the OF. I’d much rather have him than Jones from Baltimore and I believe the Braves would have to give up less to get Jackson than Jones.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
5:02 pm
BAS, nope. Modified Type A. No pick required.
RC
January 5th, 2012
5:04 pm
I’d take Austin Jackson, take a look at his rookie year.
I’m still bitter he chose to play baseball for the Yankees instead of point guard for Georgia Tech. Him choosing not to go to college was the turning point for their basketball program, in my opinion. Of course, if I was offered the money he was offered, I’d probably have skipped college too.
TommyP
January 5th, 2012
5:07 pm
I can’t see why a lot of y’all don’t see what the Marlins see in that Zambrano deal.
A) Cubs are picking up pretty much the whole contract…comes down to a 1-year deal.
B) Zambrano in Miami? That will put some fannies in the seats.
C) Guillen has a much better chance of turning him around than most.
D) Last year was Zambrano’s only year where he had an ERA over 4.00…and that was in Wrigley. I’m assuming the new park will play like the old one but I’m not sure.
E) They were dumping Volstad anyway.
What’s not to like from the Marlins’ side?
McFann O O o
January 5th, 2012
5:08 pm
Oh!! And the Marlins traded Volstad to get Zambrano!!
That’s even BETTER!! Volstad is out of the NL East and Zambrano is in!! OMGosh! This is almost as exciting as BMac hitting an RBI Double……
Braveone
January 5th, 2012
5:12 pm
From all blogs in 2011 which totals 426,588 comments, cabravesfan led the way with 12,086 posts. Congratulations cabravesfan!! There were 8,150 different poster names. Here are the Top 100:
Rank Poster Frequency Percent Cumulative_%
1 cabravesfan 12,086 2.8 2.8
2 nolie 10,336 2.4 5.3
3 Lew 9,035 2.1 7.4
4 Tomahawkin 8,806 2.1 9.4
5 Efrim 8,290 1.9 11.4
6 jeffrey d 7,725 1.8 13.2
7 Venice Jim 7,030 1.6 14.8
8 Ward 6,495 1.5 16.4
9 David O’Brien 5,943 1.4 17.8
10 Trey 5,898 1.4 19.1
11 Bat Masterson 5,351 1.3 20.4
12 tiger297 5,297 1.2 21.6
13 ncscoots 5,268 1.2 22.9
14 richbrave 5,076 1.2 24.1
15 McFann :Ô: :Ô: 4,798 1.1 25.2
Braveone
January 5th, 2012
5:12 pm
16 Arkansas Transplant 4,734 1.1 26.3
17 Murph 4,668 1.1 27.4
18 DS1 4,479 1.0 28.4
19 Brava 4,354 1.0 29.5
20 Tom O’Hawke 4,324 1.0 30.5
21 phil 4,210 1.0 31.5
22 Shaun 3,896 0.9 32.4
23 Mixxo 3,844 0.9 33.3
24 TennesseePaul 3,591 0.8 34.1
25 Snotboogie 3,586 0.8 35.0
26 DAP 3,165 0.7 35.7
27 Tomas 3,051 0.7 36.4
28 VaBravesFan 3,049 0.7 37.1
29 TnBrian 2,962 0.7 37.8
30 uga-brave 2,944 0.7 38.5
31 bravesgrl4life 2,895 0.7 39.2
32 N8 2,794 0.7 39.8
33 noliee 2,759 0.6 40.5
34 JC from DR! 2,663 0.6 41.1
35 T for Texas 2,642 0.6 41.7
36 BFChris26 2,553 0.6 42.3
37 JasonInFL 2,536 0.6 42.9
38 Jerry 2,532 0.6 43.5
39 P-Town Brave © 2,528 0.6 44.1
40 CB 2,500 0.6 44.7
41 Soph 2,495 0.6 45.3
42 Tomahawk Mafia 2,451 0.6 45.9
43 keylargo 2,409 0.6 46.4
44 Mitchell 2,026 0.5 46.9
45 MFin04 2,025 0.5 47.4
46 BravesQueen 2,017 0.5 47.8
47 MIBravesFan 2,015 0.5 48.3
48 brian 2,004 0.5 48.8
49 Bravefaninok 1,961 0.5 49.3
50 Kat 1,951 0.5 49.7
51 CaptainMudderland 1,865 0.4 50.1
52 George 1,832 0.4 50.6
53 raleighbravefan 1,825 0.4 51.0
54 nolee 1,798 0.4 51.4
55 JoeBrave 1,773 0.4 51.8
56 kwajbraves 1,763 0.4 52.3
57 haggard 1,757 0.4 52.7
58 Jake W. 1,710 0.4 53.1
59 Powder Blue 1,694 0.4 53.5
60 LTBF 1,642 0.4 53.8
61 abwright 1,621 0.4 54.2
62 The A Bomb 1,612 0.4 54.6
63 RC 1,604 0.4 55.0
64 Roman Gal 1,600 0.4 55.4
65 Nova Scotia Steve 1,594 0.4 55.7
66 monty 1,586 0.4 56.1
67 Tbraves 1,581 0.4 56.5
68 ray k. 1,557 0.4 56.8
69 noleee 1,544 0.4 57.2
70 Moe Berg 1,534 0.4 57.6
71 Heath 1,531 0.4 57.9
72 Jimmy 1,460 0.3 58.3
73 cricket 1,448 0.3 58.6
74 CraZy 1,440 0.3 58.9
75 Chop Chop 1,413 0.3 59.3
76 Bay Area Steve 1,361 0.3 59.6
77 P’cola Brave 1,319 0.3 59.9
78 McFann Ô Ô 1,297 0.3 60.2
79 Jeff R 1,240 0.3 60.5
80 Sopheee 1,222 0.3 60.8
81 Fish Bisch 1,190 0.3 61.1
82 Frankie Wren 1,152 0.3 61.3
83 N Nine 1,143 0.3 61.6
84 njbraves 1,134 0.3 61.9
85 Danga 1,129 0.3 62.1
86 Steve from OH 1,116 0.3 62.4
87 Dumbfound 1,096 0.3 62.6
88 Jay Dubu 1,068 0.3 62.9
89 flange1 1,047 0.2 63.1
90 groundfog 1,019 0.2 63.4
91 Ease 1,005 0.2 63.6
92 AtlYnkHtr 1,003 0.2 63.8
93 MikeInFl 996 0.2 64.1
94 McFann O O o 992 0.2 64.3
95 Hillbilly 985 0.2 64.5
96 Just Pat 970 0.2 64.8
97 timthebrave 969 0.2 65.0
98 Carroll Rogers 938 0.2 65.2
99 LAG 920 0.2 65.4
100 JC from DR! (You gotta tip your cap 913___) 0.2 65.6
Really???
January 5th, 2012
5:12 pm
When I say that Phrase That Pays, I’m Usually Dead On! @Tomahawkin
talk about delusional, In four years I can hardly remember a time when you proved to be right about anything
McFann O O o
January 5th, 2012
5:14 pm
Dang name-changing…I’d be in the Top 5 if not for the Turtles and their mood swings!…
Ray
January 5th, 2012
5:16 pm
One thing we have not talked about,, I don’t think. Is the dimensions of the new ballpark. It appears to be very spacious and maybe not a hitters ballpark. Lines are 344 in LF and 335 RF.. LF gaps are 386 and RF gap is 392 with CF 422. That is a big ballpark. Great for the pitchers but for the hr hitters, those numbers could be cut down drastically.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 5th, 2012
5:17 pm
Milton Bradley….LF
BOOM!
VaBravesFan
January 5th, 2012
5:19 pm
Pretty crazy that my little league ball field has bigger dimensions than the Yankees stadium. Were talking 15 to 18 years olds play on it. We had about atleast 5 total homers hit in it a season (around 16 games a season)
TommyP
January 5th, 2012
5:20 pm
Ray: That’s why I say the Marlins got a heck of a deal. It’s a no-lose situation since the Cubs picked up the salary.
Ray
January 5th, 2012
5:28 pm
TommyP ,, I don’t think anyone is faulting the Marlins for making the deal. The potential problem with Zambrano is his ready to explode any moment mentality. All it takes is one time Hanley or someone else to commit an error during a bad inning and he implodes and then there is a big situation. He has a bit of a history with that.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
5:28 pm
Too bad they’re missing Kawakami’s 7.33 million: http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/salaries/team
Really???
January 5th, 2012
5:29 pm
I’d take Austin Jackson, take a look at his rookie year…AT
why would we look at the rookie year and ignore the very poor sophomore year? I would not trade JJ for him, nor Prado either right now
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
5:30 pm
And we only paid Linebrink 2 million. So, Cots is probably correct with the 91 and change they have listed.
TommyP
January 5th, 2012
5:36 pm
Ray: I’m well aware of his temper. That’s why having Guillen there is so important.
And if they’re paying him the bare minimum for 1 year, he’s very cheap to cut as well.
Marlins have a no-lose situation there.
The A Bomb - OUTCHOKED ® TWICE!
January 5th, 2012
5:37 pm
62nd. I made the Big Dance.
That’s a lot of b*tching about Gonzalez, choking and Wren’s cocoon.
Oh well, 2013 will be better when money comes off the books with Dorn etc….
richbrave
January 5th, 2012
5:37 pm
I thought MIGUEL TEJADA played with CIBAENAS in DOMINICAN League this winter, but no cumulative stats given. he is on the roster however, and I could have sworn I saw him in the line-up more than once while scanning for BRAVES stats.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 5th, 2012
5:42 pm
Still no McCutchen I see. Braves will finish 6th in their division! BANK ON IT!
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 5th, 2012
5:45 pm
Willy Mo Pena….LF
BOOM DIDDY – BOOM BOOM!
keylargo
January 5th, 2012
5:46 pm
A very good movie from the 50’s is coming on if anyone wants to set their TIVO for TCM Tuesday at 2:30 PM.
Rebel Without a Cause with James Dean and Natalie Wood. Dean died in a car wreck shortly after this movie while at the top of the ladder in Hollywood. Wood at the start of a successful career that endeed abruptly when she drowned in 1981.
BravePack
January 5th, 2012
5:46 pm
Really???
January 5th, 2012
5:29 pm
I’d take Austin Jackson, take a look at his rookie year…AT
why would we look at the rookie year and ignore the very poor sophomore year? I would not trade JJ for him, nor Prado either right now
Really? really? Take a look at Heyward’s sophmore year. Guess the Braves should trade him huh? I’d say between Jackson’s speed, defense and potential bat would serve the Braves better in LF than Prado, a true 2nd baseman forced to play OF and has been injured the last 2 seasons.
Murph
January 5th, 2012
5:49 pm
17… oh yeah!!!
AT only beat me out for 16 because of his extra time spent explaining things to Ward.
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
5:52 pm
Really???, then why don’t we just look at his worst week from 2011. Would that make you feel better about not wanting him? It’s funny you didn’t make any reference to his speed and defense or would that negate your statement?
brian
January 5th, 2012
5:53 pm
Jackson could be a buy low candidate. I just don’t see the Tigers trading him for Jurrjens. Maybe in a deal for Prado but would likely cost us a prospect as well.
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
5:53 pm
Murph, what can I say?? Ward is my buddy.
Jbailz
January 5th, 2012
5:53 pm
I’m sure someone will dissect and bash the heck out of this e-mail but this is what I sent to Liberty Media on their website: http://www.libertymedia.com/contact-us.aspx Thanks to Brava and BAS.
I’m just curious to know if anyone at your office has any interest in the Atlanta Braves organization whatsoever or if it’s just a big tax break? If it is a tax break how does it affect your taxes? If the team brings in more money do you get a better break? If you put more money into the team do you get more back?
The reason I ask is because as a long time Braves fan that lives in Utah (not far from you guys) it has been frustrating for me to watch all the teams in the NL East (that’s the division the Braves play in if you weren’t aware) expand their payroll and get better while all the Braves offices tell us that they don’t have the money to go after free agents and even have to trade players they currently have because of payroll restrictions.
This year it looks like we will be starting Tyler Pastornicky at SS, just wondering if you have ever heard of this young man that will be starting at a key position on a baseball team you own this year?
I know that Liberty Media is a business and businesses make the best decision for the business, so I’m sure an e-mail from a fan will likely fall on deaf ears (if anyone reads it anyways). But from a business standpoint wouldn’t it do you some good to put a winning franchise on the field? Could Atlanta win a World Series with the team they have now? If all the blocks fall into place, maybe but I’m an optimist. In my heart I feel they are a couple of pieces away from being a real contender. Wouldn’t it benefit you to have them win a World Series? Sell more tickets, more memorabilia, etc? I’m sure I’m not the first person to tell you that you gotta spend money to make money, so don’t be afraid to spend it on the Braves. Put a World Series ring on your finger and join an elite club of owners that have one.
brian
January 5th, 2012
5:54 pm
Although I would love to add Ryan Madson, I just don’t see him taking a 1 year deal to be a set up guy (though if he did I could easily see it with the Braves or someone to try to stick it to the Phillies). He could get a 1 year deal with a good deal more money to be a 1 year closer for someone else
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
5:56 pm
I’d be willing to give the Tiger’s Prado and JJ if we could acquire Jackson and Castellanos plus a couple other prospects. Then I’d look to sign Cespedes, Betemit and possibly take a fly on Tejada.
BravePack
January 5th, 2012
5:58 pm
brian
That’s what AT and I are saying with Jackson. Tigers were interested in Prado earlier in the offseason so it would be him traded with maybe some low prospect to throw in, much less than the Braves would have to give up to get Jones. Plus Jackson is better in the OF, has speed and had a pretty good rookie season.
Ray
January 5th, 2012
5:59 pm
TommyP, Oh If I was the Marlins, I would do that too. Nothing to lose. Is it much of an upgrade,, hmm maybe slightly. Yeah I would say a slight upgrade.
brian
January 5th, 2012
6:00 pm
sounds good to me AT though I do not know if I would spend the money to sign Cespedes
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
6:05 pm
All indications are that Cespedes is going to be the real deal. I’d like to see him pan out and if that were to happen, after next season we’d have the outfield set even though Bourn is surely to walk. We’d still have Jackson, Heyward and Cespedes. And this year it would give us flexibility against lefties with Jackson and Cespedes being righties.
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
6:05 pm
It’s just an idea.
Really???
January 5th, 2012
6:11 pm
Really? really? Take a look at Heyward’s sophmore year @Ark
one has nothing to do with the other.
We already have Heyward , unproven or not, so he costs us nothing more.
We would have to give up quality to get Jackson and that would be a foolish thing to do at this point.
Not sure why you would think that the situations are at all similar.
Steve from OH
January 5th, 2012
6:32 pm
VaBravesFan; Keith Law is constantly wrong on minor league players.
A lot of people are constantly wrong about minor league players. Comes with the territory. Some players regress, some grow, others never quite get it together, others succeed seemingly despite themselves. What Law does offer is a different perspective separate from the traditional BA-dominated prospect talk. He tries to keep himself unbiased and original, and I enjoy that part of his analysis.
So what if he’s wrong sometimes? Everyone is.
nolie
January 5th, 2012
6:33 pm
hey guys. See how nice I am? I let cab win .
have we signed Pujols yet?
SeATLite
January 5th, 2012
6:34 pm
The truth is, you’re ‘the weak,’ and I’m the ‘tyranny of evil men.’ But I’m trying, Ringo. I’m trying REAL HARD to be the shepherd.”