Comment From BoBo:
Who will be the Braves’ #1 prospect after this season?
Tuesday January 3, 2012 4:01
Mike Newman – 4:02 I have to say Gilmartin right now, but could see Bethancourt or Salcedo take the top spot with a breakout 2012.
@LoMoMarlins: “I really hope Ozzies on-field instructions r easier 2 understand than his tweets. I literally have no idea what this dude is talking about.”
@OzzieGuillen: “If you need instructions you are in big troble with me. Good players don’t need that lol. Happy new years.”
If there were anything other than rumor, I’m more than certain that DOB would not have used IF as often as he did in that post and would have come right out and said so.
Comment From GuestGuest: ]
If the Braves trade Jurrjens and Prado for Adam Jones, and promote Teharan, Minor, Vizcaino, Delgado, Hoover, and Pastronsky how depleted would the Farm be?
Mike Newman: Probably the worst it has been in the past decade. Gilmartin, Bethancourt, Salcedo, Carlos Perez, Simmons and a fistful of nothing pretty much.
This from Jon Heyman on Twitter: miguel tejada is training in miami w/ legendary workout guru pete bommarito. looking for comeback. word is, he looks great
I only mention this because a Dominican who follows me on Twitter mentioned Tejada is playing winter ball now in D.R. and that there’s rumor he’s talking with Braves.
LMAO DAP I just read your response and said POS letter by letter, out loud, and a girl about 14 at the table next to me said I don’t see a “Parent Over Shoulder” (POS). I guess POS is where your head is? Lol
I do think there is more to the Braves farm than the five prospects Newman mentioned(Gilmartin, Simmons, Bethancourt, Salcedo, C. Perez). Zeke Spruill, Brandon Drury were named in BA’s Top 10 prospects. Nick Ahmed and J.R. Graham could be solid major leaguers from the 2011 draft. And they have a lot of relief pitchers. All that said, he’s pretty much right based on what’s in the system currently.
Let’s just hope 2012 is the best draft we’ve had since 2007…..
Murph – The market isn’t exactly overflowing and those who have made deals got way more than the Braves have available to pay.
If what they are looking for is a Veteran ss with lots of MLB experience (and an All Star just a couple seasons back) and cheap as a backup for when/if Pastornicky needs it, then Tejada makes plenty of sense.
If he’s in shape and motivated, he could be a good pick up.
Tejada’s last two seasons have been really bad: .259/.298/.362, 83 OPS+ in over 1,000 plate appearances. He played 44 games at 3rd, 42 games at SS, and 4 games at 2B in 2011 for the Giants.
He’s no worse than any name that’s been bandied about.
He’s apparently getting into top shape right now. (and despite the steroids from years past, it takes a ton of working out to make those steroids worthwhile so we know the guy will put in the hard work)
Have you seen how the guy really enjoys playing baseball? He’s fun to watch and easy to root for, in my opinion. Probably be a great addition in the clubhouse.
I think Tejada would be ok for a pure backup role. With his age and how much he’s declined he’s prolly looking at a Minor league deal possibly. No more than 1 mil you’d think if he makes a team.
Again, I am all over Miguel Tejada as the backup if the reports on him are solid. If he is getting great reviews then to me the past is the past and since I live in the present I will take the present information over historical data.
TommyP- That’s certainly the truth. Enough on here thought picking up DeRosa was a good idea – I’d rather take a flyer on Tejada. At least hes actually played the past couple of years.
I know three-way trades almost never work, but try this one on for size.
ROCKIES get Martin Prado
YANKEES get Seth Smith + Rockies prospect + Braves prospect(s)
BRAVES get Nick Swisher
This deal works for all three clubs. The Rockies get the second baseman they covet, while only giving up Seth Smith, who is expendable, and a prospect.
The Yankees are obsessed with not going over the luxury tax limit. They also want to get younger and more athletic. This move would give them the payroll flexibility to go after Yoennis Cespedes. If Cespedes isn’t MLB ready right away, they could do a lot worse than a right field platoon of Seth Smith (.830 OPS, mostly against RHP) and Andruw Jones (.851 OPS, mostly against LHP). And if Cespedes is ready, Smith would be a very competent and not terribly expensive DH/pinch hitter or trade bait.
The Braves get Nick Swisher, one of the very few players I would trade Prado to acquire. He is a professional hitter who gets on base and drives in runs. It would be nice if a condition of the trade would be a negotiating window to try to extend Swisher beyond next season. And Swisher does have a limited no-trade clause. Given that the Braves only control Prado for one additional year (through the 2013 season), I might do this trade even without the extension and take my chances on resigning Swisher in free agency (in 2013 when the Braves should have additional funds available).
If the Yankees have any interest in JJ, which they should in spite of Cashman’s comments to the contrary, this deal could be expanded. (And it would help pay for Swisher.)
brian: How does Jackson have room to grow as a hitter but Adam Jones doesn’t? I don’t get that logic. Jackson’s “growth” as a hitter has him closer to setting strikeout records.
Tejada? Why not. The old f*** could have some juice left in the tank and betting he wouldn’t be anything more than a backup plan. Chance I’d take for sure.
January 5th, 2012
12:22 pm
George – You would experience less boredom if occasionally you watched paint dry – it breaks up the monotony of watching the grass grow.
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Are theygoing to repaint Turner Field this winter? if so I will try it.
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If the Braves trade Jurrjens and Prado for Adam Jones, and promote Teharan, Minor, Vizcaino, Delgado, Hoover, and Pastronsky how depleted would the Farm be?
Mike Newman: Probably the worst it has been in the past decade. Gilmartin, Bethancourt, Salcedo, Carlos Perez, Simmons and a fistful of nothing pretty much.
is this bad? because i read that and think, “wow, we have alot of really good prospects”. obviously the scenario in the question wont happen…but the braves have been bringing up crops of young player for the last several seasons…they have a young team with several ROY winners/runners up…seems like they are in a good position here.
but your the prospect guy, so tell me…is this really a bad thing or is that alot of young talent in the minors?
The Bravess could have added Carlos Quentin without trading anyone……all the White Sox wanted for him was cash. His stats last year….254….24 Hrs & 77 RBI….alll better than JHEY.
the tejada thing doesnt make much sense, if they dont like theriot because of his defense. tejada isnt too good with the glove, even if he figures out a way to hit decent.
but your the prospect guy, so tell me…is this really a bad thing or is that alot of young talent in the minors?
They have graduated a lot of guys, especially after this year when Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado and Pastornicky are no longer eligible as prospects. My biggest concern is that they have very little in the lower levels. Nice depth in Double-A and Triple-A. But you’d like to see them have a few more prospects with some upside in Danville and Rome, and they do not have this, which will cause them to have their weakest farm system in a decade. It’s possible that they kill it in the 2012 draft and go for upside to fill the rookie leagues with, as they have plenty of high floor players at the mid-levels. That’s what I’d like to see after two straight drafts focusing on signable, high floor depth.
Anyway, to answer your question, the Braves have one of the most talented group of players 25 years old and younger in the majors, which is great. However, every team is allowed to draft players every single June, and there is really no reason as to why any system should be completely empty or as shallow as the Brave system potentially could be. Shame on farm directors if this happens, regardless of the position you are selecting in.
If the Braves FO signs Tejada to a minor league deal with an invite to ST as a NRI and he battles and wins a job good for everyone. If another player wins that job good for them. There is only one way to find out who is right for the job, it is called “competition for the position”. If Tejada isn’t cut out to make the grade he washes out and is released. How is that a bad thing? That means a better man won and will represent the team at that position.
How about the Braves trade Prado and JJ for prospects to dump salary and make a run at Yoennis. If 2013 is going to be their year (freed up salary money and maturation of players will put this team in a good position) then get Yoennis now, put a platoon in LF (if needed) and just view 2012 as a mulligan year.
Wren will have 30-40mm to spend next season depending on Chipper and an OF of Yoennis, new CF and hopefully a repaired Heyward would finally put some real swat in the OF.
Fredi is Cuban and perhaps that would be a draw for Yoennis.
A messy idea I know b/c the platoon in LF could be as horrible as Diaz/Constanza with Hicks backing up Chipper but we have seen similar Braves teams in recent past.
Yoennis suitors are laying low and the 50mm deal he was expected to garner is now drifting back to 34-40 over 4-5yrs.
The guy is looks like Bo Jackson and hits a ton. Has the potential to be a 5 tool guy. The Braves won’t get that type of developed ML player under Liberty. They won’t get Hamilton, guys like Kemp etc so take a bit of a risk on Yoennis. It won’t be like pissing away 15mm a year on Lowe.
Tejeda makes zero sense, and DOB made a comment about age on the left side of the infield with regard to some possibility at back up SS. Can;t remember who it was, perhaps Omar Vizquel? He is ancient, but it isn’t like a 38 year old Miguel Tejeda is that much better.
Tejada would be a pure bench guy. Logging a handfull of starts at SS and 3B and pinch hitting. The Braves would cut him loose it he isnt getting it done.
Would Tejada back up Chipper? Because having a 40 year old Chipper Jones at 3rd and 38 year old Miguel Tejada at SS scares the hell out of me.
Yes, but from the Braves standpoint, it’s not as frightening and therefore more appealing than having Omar V. back up 3rd and short.
Tejada’s last two seasons have been really bad: .259/.298/.362, 83 OPS+ in over 1,000 plate appearances.
The last two seasons: .246/.282/.411/.693/87 over 1,000 PA for Gonzo and he was our starter. If Tejada is a backup, that’s not too bad. Shouldn’t cost much either. And he kind of fits with the description of the need…
Signing a player like Tejada doesn’t guarantee he would make the club and the team that signed Julio Franco out of the Mexican league should have had their FO fired. What a bad idea that was, why would the Braves ever sign a 40 year old player like Franco
No such thing as a perfect player. Even Pujols has wart or two. He’s really slow and … well, I think everything else with him is pretty close to perfect.
I should point out that as a Brave, not hitting in the Wonder Dome of Toronto, Gonzo posted a .241/.277/.377/.653 78 OPS+ line in 900 PA. That’s even worse than Tejada.
BravePack, I don’t hate every trade. Just the Smith/Wheeler deal. And I think most on the planet think Adam Jones for Jurrjens, Prado, Tejada and Delgado qualifies as the most absurd asking price of the off-season.
BTW, like the name. Reminds me of a friend’s last name, whom I knew in TN about 15+ years ago. She was from outside Atlanta.
Ozzie, I agree with you that making a push for Yoennis could be rather profitable now and into the future but I don’t think we necessarily have to just dump Prado and JJ to free salary. I’d still like to see a return of Jackson which would allow us to have quality depth in the outfield.
If they do invite Tejada to ST and he does not make the roster his value to Padtornicky can’t be measured. Pastornicky could learn so much from an old geezer like Tejada about the nuances of playing SS. Put a price tag on that, just try
Just a little tidbit from Keith Law about Terdoslavich. A while back in one of his chats he said something along the lines of he see’s him as just a extra guy, just alot of hype is all.
raleighbravefan, January 5th, 2012, 11:48 am … “Cinamax late night is even more dangerous. Fall asleep, and you could wake up to almost anything.”
Ah for the days when the National Anthem at sign off would wake you up so that you could turn off the boob tube when you’re “sleeping with the television on.”
I’ve been watching you waltz all night Diane
Nobody’s found a way behind your defenses
They never notice the zap gun in your hand
Until you’re pointing it and stunning their senses
All night long, all night long
You’ll shoot ‘em down because you’re waiting for somebody good to come on
But you’ll be sleeping with the television on
You say you’re looking for someone solid here
You can’t be bothered with those `just for the night’ boys
Tonight unless you take some kind of chances dear
Tomorrow morning you’ll wake up with the white noise
All night long, all night long
You’re only standing there ’cause somebody once did somebody wrong
But you’ll be sleeping with the television on
Your eyes are saying talk to me, talk to me
But your attitude is “don’t waste my time”
Your eyes are saying talk to me, talk to me
But you won’t hear a word ’cause it j-just might be the same old line
This isn’t easy for me to say Diane
I know you don’t need anybody’s protection
I really wish I was less of a thinking man
And more a fool who’s not afraid of rejection
All night long, all night long
I’ll just be standing here ’cause I know I don’t have the guts to come on
And I’ll be sleeping with the television on
Your eyes are saying talk to me, talk to me
But my attitude is “boy, don’t waste your time”
Your eyes are saying talk to me, talk to me
But I won’t say a word ’cause it just might be somebody else’s same old line
All night long, all night long
We’ll just be standing here ’cause somebody might do somebody wrong
And we’ll be sleeping with the television on
Sleeping with the television on
Sleeping with the television on
Sleeping with the television on
Ozzie, would this work for you? Prado and JJ to the Tigers for a return of Jackson, Castellanos, Flynn, Voss and Fields. Then use the remaining payroll to sign Cespedes, Betemit and Tejada. Would that work? Our outfield would be 4 deep and protected when Bourn went elsewhere next season.
George Franco was 40 when the Braves first signed him out of the Mexican league and signed him Franco was 48 when the Braves re-signed him after he was released from the Mets after leaving the Braves Try that
PD, January 5th, 2012, 12:25 pm … “Lewis don’t do that. The blog police (Hall Monitors) will accuse you of promoting Marijuana”
Are you saying Lewis is on a first name basis with Mary Jane?
Then “Mom I want to forna…
I mean formulate and discover the realms of the unknown
with Mary Jane
After all you’ll be away for the week-end
Just please consent
I need a friend.”I admit you puberty was somewhat strange
Could this be fixed with Mary Jane?
Mary Jane, Mary Jane, Mary Jane who?
So I said, Son you want to permeate
And discover the realms of the unknown
With Mary Jane
[From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/t/tori-amos-lyrics/mary-jane-lyrics.html
After all the other boys that are you age
They only wake to medicate
Do I know her family?
Is she even mannerly when she’s out in society?
“She even bakes”
she even bakes?
“These odd brownies”
Mary Jane, Mary Jane, Mary Jane who?
Then he said, “I believe in her family,
On her maternal side there was a
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Mary Jane Who
With both Cespedes and Jackson on the roster, we could run an extra right handed hitter out there against Lefties. Possibly having an entire outfield of right handers if Diaz was in LF, Jackson in CF and Cespedes in RF. Our bench could be awefully deep.
AT 1:00
Nothing would wook for me in a deal where we would lose MARTIN. I think he will come back with a very good year, would hate to see him playing against us.
VaBravesFan; Keith Law is constantly wrong on minor league players.
I can’t wait to see how brillant people think he is after a few seasons working in his new job with the Houston Astros evaluating talent for them.
Funny, the Blue Jays fired him and their minor league system became one of the better ones since his departure!
Terdoslavich can swing the bat, but the question is can he find a position to play?
George, if he went to the Tigers he won’t necessarily be playing against us. But if those scenarios could play out the Braves would be the team to beat next season.
Actually Keith Law is one of the better prospect gurus. While he may come off as a dick, he’s just telling you his true opinion of the player regardless if its your favorite prospect or not. He doesnt sugar coat anything to give a fan more optimism about a guy. Plus he is right most of the time.
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TommyP
January 5th, 2012
11:35 am
Betemit can’t field.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
11:36 am
He’d be ideal IF the outfielder thye get is a HUGE improvement – otherwise, I’d as soon go with Prado.
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
11:39 am
BravePack, I guess they could possibly sign Ross or go with someone on their roster already like Kelly, Raburn or Delmon Young.
raleighbravefan
January 5th, 2012
11:41 am
Lew @11:29 – No sense, indeed…but you know we need to do a deal…ANY deal.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
11:42 am
raleighbraves – We need Monty Hall for our GM.
richbrave
January 5th, 2012
11:43 am
LEW:
Posted u up at 10:12 a. m.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
11:43 am
“I’ll take the outfielder behiond door number one”. Or, if you prefer Cheech – “I would have taken the Reds, Man.”
richbrave
January 5th, 2012
11:43 am
Gotta’ run. LEW. Thanx again.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
11:44 am
richbrave – NO problem. I’ll check the mail. And you’re welcome.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 5th, 2012
11:44 am
I think I’ll go with DOB’s assessment. Thank you for playing though …
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
11:45 am
As long as Jones and Smith aren’t behind door number one.
raleighbravefan
January 5th, 2012
11:45 am
Lew – Yeah, I see us ending up with the “booby prize”.
raleighbravefan
January 5th, 2012
11:47 am
DAP 10:54 – Thanks to you “hip” guys keeping us clueless folks up to date. Of course, I’m sure the term “hip” isn’t hip anymore.
raleighbravefan
January 5th, 2012
11:48 am
Murph @11:34 – Cinamax late night is even more dangerous. Fall asleep, and you could wake up to almost anything.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
11:53 am
Comment From BoBo:
Who will be the Braves’ #1 prospect after this season?
Tuesday January 3, 2012 4:01
Mike Newman – 4:02 I have to say Gilmartin right now, but could see Bethancourt or Salcedo take the top spot with a breakout 2012.
Back. Half.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
11:53 am
Hip? Well, my left one’s arthritic and hurts like hell today.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
11:55 am
TnBrian – What assessment is that? The one where he tries to make sense of what Rosenthal wrote, but doesn’t cite any Braves’ sources?
cricket
January 5th, 2012
11:55 am
NL East is going to be very entertaining..
@LoMoMarlins: “I really hope Ozzies on-field instructions r easier 2 understand than his tweets. I literally have no idea what this dude is talking about.”
@OzzieGuillen: “If you need instructions you are in big troble with me. Good players don’t need that lol. Happy new years.”
Lew
January 5th, 2012
11:56 am
If there were anything other than rumor, I’m more than certain that DOB would not have used IF as often as he did in that post and would have come right out and said so.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
11:57 am
Fangraphs 1/3/12 Prospect chat
Comment From GuestGuest: ]
If the Braves trade Jurrjens and Prado for Adam Jones, and promote Teharan, Minor, Vizcaino, Delgado, Hoover, and Pastronsky how depleted would the Farm be?
Mike Newman: Probably the worst it has been in the past decade. Gilmartin, Bethancourt, Salcedo, Carlos Perez, Simmons and a fistful of nothing pretty much.
PD
January 5th, 2012
11:57 am
I’m down with a Miguel Tejada idea
Jon HEYMAN tweets
miguel tejada is training in miami w/ legendary workout guru pete bommarito. looking for comeback. word is, he looks great
Ease
January 5th, 2012
11:58 am
Of course, I’m sure the term “hip” isn’t hip anymore.
Although at your age, I am sure it is preceded by “replacement” these days…
raleighbravefan
January 5th, 2012
12:01 pm
Ease – My hip is one of the few things that still works like it should.
David O'Brien
January 5th, 2012
12:03 pm
This from Jon Heyman on Twitter: miguel tejada is training in miami w/ legendary workout guru pete bommarito. looking for comeback. word is, he looks great
I only mention this because a Dominican who follows me on Twitter mentioned Tejada is playing winter ball now in D.R. and that there’s rumor he’s talking with Braves.
I’m trying to find out if anything to it.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
12:04 pm
Now THAT makes sense.
Ease
January 5th, 2012
12:05 pm
My bad raleigh…must of been thinking about the Hoke…
PD
January 5th, 2012
12:07 pm
LMAO DAP I just read your response and said POS letter by letter, out loud, and a girl about 14 at the table next to me said I don’t see a “Parent Over Shoulder” (POS). I guess POS is where your head is? Lol
Lew
January 5th, 2012
12:10 pm
Point of Sale?
CB
January 5th, 2012
12:12 pm
You weren’t thinking about Hokie,everything still top shape.
Murph
January 5th, 2012
12:12 pm
Tejada? Man, talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. The guy is old and, based on his performance last year, pretty much done.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
12:13 pm
I do think there is more to the Braves farm than the five prospects Newman mentioned(Gilmartin, Simmons, Bethancourt, Salcedo, C. Perez). Zeke Spruill, Brandon Drury were named in BA’s Top 10 prospects. Nick Ahmed and J.R. Graham could be solid major leaguers from the 2011 draft. And they have a lot of relief pitchers. All that said, he’s pretty much right based on what’s in the system currently.
Let’s just hope 2012 is the best draft we’ve had since 2007…..
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
12:13 pm
Murph, which daughter of yours was pictured with the lipstick face?
Jimmy
January 5th, 2012
12:14 pm
Prado or Smith?
VaBravesFan
January 5th, 2012
12:14 pm
Efrim
thats good to know.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
12:16 pm
Murph – The market isn’t exactly overflowing and those who have made deals got way more than the Braves have available to pay.
If what they are looking for is a Veteran ss with lots of MLB experience (and an All Star just a couple seasons back) and cheap as a backup for when/if Pastornicky needs it, then Tejada makes plenty of sense.
If he’s in shape and motivated, he could be a good pick up.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
12:17 pm
Tejada’s last two seasons have been really bad: .259/.298/.362, 83 OPS+ in over 1,000 plate appearances. He played 44 games at 3rd, 42 games at SS, and 4 games at 2B in 2011 for the Giants.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
12:18 pm
Would Tejada back up Chipper? Because having a 40 year old Chipper Jones at 3rd and 38 year old Miguel Tejada at SS scares the hell out of me.
Hopefully T-Pain is awesome from day one….
Paul S.
January 5th, 2012
12:19 pm
DOB:
There is something of it I think….
FrankCastillo22 Frank Castillo
Los Bravos de Atlanta es el equipo que ha mostrado mayor interes en Miguel Tejada.
Translaton: The Braves are the most interested team in Miguel Tejada.
Deportespeguero julio peguero
Una fuente me informa que los Bravos de Atlanta están detrás de los servicios de SS dominicano Miguel Tejada.
Translation: A source tells me the Braves are behind the services of Miguel Tejada.
brian
January 5th, 2012
12:19 pm
Tommyp-
Jackson is a K machine but still has room to grow as a hitter and he plays a good CF. Jones is a mediocre CF who has never lived up to his hype
TommyP
January 5th, 2012
12:19 pm
I like the Tejada idea if he comes cheap.
He’s no worse than any name that’s been bandied about.
He’s apparently getting into top shape right now. (and despite the steroids from years past, it takes a ton of working out to make those steroids worthwhile so we know the guy will put in the hard work)
Have you seen how the guy really enjoys playing baseball? He’s fun to watch and easy to root for, in my opinion. Probably be a great addition in the clubhouse.
VaBravesFan
January 5th, 2012
12:20 pm
I think Tejada would be ok for a pure backup role. With his age and how much he’s declined he’s prolly looking at a Minor league deal possibly. No more than 1 mil you’d think if he makes a team.
PD
January 5th, 2012
12:20 pm
Again, I am all over Miguel Tejada as the backup if the reports on him are solid. If he is getting great reviews then to me the past is the past and since I live in the present I will take the present information over historical data.
George
January 5th, 2012
12:20 pm
Waiting for the BRAVES to do something this winter is like watching grass grow at Turner Field. We need a SS.
Lew
January 5th, 2012
12:21 pm
TommyP- That’s certainly the truth. Enough on here thought picking up DeRosa was a good idea – I’d rather take a flyer on Tejada. At least hes actually played the past couple of years.
Mountain Braves Fan
January 5th, 2012
12:21 pm
I know three-way trades almost never work, but try this one on for size.
ROCKIES get Martin Prado
YANKEES get Seth Smith + Rockies prospect + Braves prospect(s)
BRAVES get Nick Swisher
This deal works for all three clubs. The Rockies get the second baseman they covet, while only giving up Seth Smith, who is expendable, and a prospect.
The Yankees are obsessed with not going over the luxury tax limit. They also want to get younger and more athletic. This move would give them the payroll flexibility to go after Yoennis Cespedes. If Cespedes isn’t MLB ready right away, they could do a lot worse than a right field platoon of Seth Smith (.830 OPS, mostly against RHP) and Andruw Jones (.851 OPS, mostly against LHP). And if Cespedes is ready, Smith would be a very competent and not terribly expensive DH/pinch hitter or trade bait.
The Braves get Nick Swisher, one of the very few players I would trade Prado to acquire. He is a professional hitter who gets on base and drives in runs. It would be nice if a condition of the trade would be a negotiating window to try to extend Swisher beyond next season. And Swisher does have a limited no-trade clause. Given that the Braves only control Prado for one additional year (through the 2013 season), I might do this trade even without the extension and take my chances on resigning Swisher in free agency (in 2013 when the Braves should have additional funds available).
If the Yankees have any interest in JJ, which they should in spite of Cashman’s comments to the contrary, this deal could be expanded. (And it would help pay for Swisher.)
Lew
January 5th, 2012
12:22 pm
George – You would experience less boredom if occasionally you watched paint dry – it breaks up the monotony of watching the grass grow.
TommyP
January 5th, 2012
12:22 pm
brian: How does Jackson have room to grow as a hitter but Adam Jones doesn’t? I don’t get that logic. Jackson’s “growth” as a hitter has him closer to setting strikeout records.
Bourn is in CF. We are trading for a LF.
Murph
January 5th, 2012
12:24 pm
AT, that was the 3 year old… she was outta control over Xmas break.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 5th, 2012
12:24 pm
Tejada? Why not. The old f*** could have some juice left in the tank and betting he wouldn’t be anything more than a backup plan. Chance I’d take for sure.
PD
January 5th, 2012
12:25 pm
Lewis don’t do that. The blog police (Hall Monitors) will accuse you of promoting Marijuana
George
January 5th, 2012
12:26 pm
Lew
January 5th, 2012
12:22 pm
George – You would experience less boredom if occasionally you watched paint dry – it breaks up the monotony of watching the grass grow.
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Are theygoing to repaint Turner Field this winter? if so I will try it.
PD
January 5th, 2012
12:26 pm
I meant Lew, but auto correct changed it to Lewis.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
12:27 pm
I’d rather have Ronny Cedeno than Miguel Tejeda.
CB
January 5th, 2012
12:27 pm
Drew Sutton makes much more sense than Tejada. Have we gotten so desperate that this kind of move excites some of you? Wow
DAP
January 5th, 2012
12:27 pm
efrim Comment From GuestGuest: ]
If the Braves trade Jurrjens and Prado for Adam Jones, and promote Teharan, Minor, Vizcaino, Delgado, Hoover, and Pastronsky how depleted would the Farm be?
Mike Newman: Probably the worst it has been in the past decade. Gilmartin, Bethancourt, Salcedo, Carlos Perez, Simmons and a fistful of nothing pretty much.
is this bad? because i read that and think, “wow, we have alot of really good prospects”. obviously the scenario in the question wont happen…but the braves have been bringing up crops of young player for the last several seasons…they have a young team with several ROY winners/runners up…seems like they are in a good position here.
but your the prospect guy, so tell me…is this really a bad thing or is that alot of young talent in the minors?
DAP
January 5th, 2012
12:29 pm
PD, girl about 14 at the table next to me said I don’t see a “Parent Over Shoulder” (POS).
yeah, thats a sexting thing. wouldnt know about that. youre right. obviously, it means different things to different people.
John A.
January 5th, 2012
12:30 pm
The Bravess could have added Carlos Quentin without trading anyone……all the White Sox wanted for him was cash. His stats last year….254….24 Hrs & 77 RBI….alll better than JHEY.
VaBravesFan
January 5th, 2012
12:30 pm
DAP
12:13 Efrim’s comment
brian
January 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
the Braves, while looking for a LF this year, are looking for someone who can slide over to CF for next year
brian
January 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
Tejada may be Mondesi redux
DAP
January 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
the tejada thing doesnt make much sense, if they dont like theriot because of his defense. tejada isnt too good with the glove, even if he figures out a way to hit decent.
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
12:35 pm
Murph, When I saw that picture, it made me laugh out loud. I had my nephews over the New Years weekend (3 and 4) and can relate. Always entertaining!
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 5th, 2012
12:35 pm
Okay, I didn’t realize how bad Tejada’s numbers have dropped last few years. Ewwww! Nevermind
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
12:37 pm
brian, except we were expecting Mondesi to carry RF for us all season long.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
12:37 pm
but your the prospect guy, so tell me…is this really a bad thing or is that alot of young talent in the minors?
They have graduated a lot of guys, especially after this year when Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado and Pastornicky are no longer eligible as prospects. My biggest concern is that they have very little in the lower levels. Nice depth in Double-A and Triple-A. But you’d like to see them have a few more prospects with some upside in Danville and Rome, and they do not have this, which will cause them to have their weakest farm system in a decade. It’s possible that they kill it in the 2012 draft and go for upside to fill the rookie leagues with, as they have plenty of high floor players at the mid-levels. That’s what I’d like to see after two straight drafts focusing on signable, high floor depth.
Anyway, to answer your question, the Braves have one of the most talented group of players 25 years old and younger in the majors, which is great. However, every team is allowed to draft players every single June, and there is really no reason as to why any system should be completely empty or as shallow as the Brave system potentially could be. Shame on farm directors if this happens, regardless of the position you are selecting in.
PD
January 5th, 2012
12:37 pm
If the Braves FO signs Tejada to a minor league deal with an invite to ST as a NRI and he battles and wins a job good for everyone. If another player wins that job good for them. There is only one way to find out who is right for the job, it is called “competition for the position”. If Tejada isn’t cut out to make the grade he washes out and is released. How is that a bad thing? That means a better man won and will represent the team at that position.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 5th, 2012
12:37 pm
Forget it! Go sign Tejada! Just do SOMETHING Braves! Do it NOW! Hey, it’s a deal. That in and of itself excites ME!
Ozzie
January 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
How about the Braves trade Prado and JJ for prospects to dump salary and make a run at Yoennis. If 2013 is going to be their year (freed up salary money and maturation of players will put this team in a good position) then get Yoennis now, put a platoon in LF (if needed) and just view 2012 as a mulligan year.
Wren will have 30-40mm to spend next season depending on Chipper and an OF of Yoennis, new CF and hopefully a repaired Heyward would finally put some real swat in the OF.
Fredi is Cuban and perhaps that would be a draw for Yoennis.
A messy idea I know b/c the platoon in LF could be as horrible as Diaz/Constanza with Hicks backing up Chipper but we have seen similar Braves teams in recent past.
Yoennis suitors are laying low and the 50mm deal he was expected to garner is now drifting back to 34-40 over 4-5yrs.
The guy is looks like Bo Jackson and hits a ton. Has the potential to be a 5 tool guy. The Braves won’t get that type of developed ML player under Liberty. They won’t get Hamilton, guys like Kemp etc so take a bit of a risk on Yoennis. It won’t be like pissing away 15mm a year on Lowe.
George
January 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
TEJADA could be ok, but he is old, could he hold up health wise to play 140 games or so?
VaBravesFan
January 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
I think Tejada wont have much interest and will be much cheaper than Theriot and others.
Efrim
January 5th, 2012
12:39 pm
Tejeda makes zero sense, and DOB made a comment about age on the left side of the infield with regard to some possibility at back up SS. Can;t remember who it was, perhaps Omar Vizquel? He is ancient, but it isn’t like a 38 year old Miguel Tejeda is that much better.
VaBravesFan
January 5th, 2012
12:40 pm
George
Tejada would be a pure bench guy. Logging a handfull of starts at SS and 3B and pinch hitting. The Braves would cut him loose it he isnt getting it done.
ccrider
January 5th, 2012
12:42 pm
Efrim: Don’t forget Terdoslavich, his bat will work quite well in MLB, if they can find the right position for him.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 5th, 2012
12:43 pm
Efrim and nolie – analyze players to death. They’d look at a rare diamond long enough to find some kind of fault in it.
And I ain’t talking about this Tejada thing either, guys. Just most players in general. It’s just freakin baseball, not rocket science.
George
January 5th, 2012
12:44 pm
We really need a everyday SS able to play about 140 games. I think PASTORNICKY is at least one year away from being a good everyday player.
TennesseePaul
January 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
Would Tejada back up Chipper? Because having a 40 year old Chipper Jones at 3rd and 38 year old Miguel Tejada at SS scares the hell out of me.
Yes, but from the Braves standpoint, it’s not as frightening and therefore more appealing than having Omar V. back up 3rd and short.
Tejada’s last two seasons have been really bad: .259/.298/.362, 83 OPS+ in over 1,000 plate appearances.
The last two seasons: .246/.282/.411/.693/87 over 1,000 PA for Gonzo and he was our starter. If Tejada is a backup, that’s not too bad. Shouldn’t cost much either. And he kind of fits with the description of the need…
PD
January 5th, 2012
12:48 pm
Signing a player like Tejada doesn’t guarantee he would make the club and the team that signed Julio Franco out of the Mexican league should have had their FO fired. What a bad idea that was, why would the Braves ever sign a 40 year old player like Franco
Tomahawkin (The Godfather)
January 5th, 2012
12:48 pm
raleighbravefan
“Tomahawkin – Partly a dull off season, because we don’t really need to do much. Bourn move at TDL, new hitting coaches, dumping Lowe…all positives.”
Co-Sign! I will give Wren Props for Ol Yellering Parrish right after the season even though Parrish got Ol Yellered 2 months, 2 late. Ditto for Blowe
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
January 5th, 2012
12:49 pm
No such thing as a perfect player. Even Pujols has wart or two. He’s really slow and … well, I think everything else with him is pretty close to perfect.
TennesseePaul
January 5th, 2012
12:49 pm
I should point out that as a Brave, not hitting in the Wonder Dome of Toronto, Gonzo posted a .241/.277/.377/.653 78 OPS+ line in 900 PA. That’s even worse than Tejada.
TennesseePaul
January 5th, 2012
12:53 pm
BravePack, I don’t hate every trade. Just the Smith/Wheeler deal. And I think most on the planet think Adam Jones for Jurrjens, Prado, Tejada and Delgado qualifies as the most absurd asking price of the off-season.
BTW, like the name. Reminds me of a friend’s last name, whom I knew in TN about 15+ years ago. She was from outside Atlanta.
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
12:55 pm
Ozzie, I agree with you that making a push for Yoennis could be rather profitable now and into the future but I don’t think we necessarily have to just dump Prado and JJ to free salary. I’d still like to see a return of Jackson which would allow us to have quality depth in the outfield.
PD
January 5th, 2012
12:56 pm
If they do invite Tejada to ST and he does not make the roster his value to Padtornicky can’t be measured. Pastornicky could learn so much from an old geezer like Tejada about the nuances of playing SS. Put a price tag on that, just try
George
January 5th, 2012
12:57 pm
PD 12:48
Try 48 years old FRANCO was a very good player in his day.
PD
January 5th, 2012
1:00 pm
Tejada could tutor Drew Sutton at SS too for 30 days in ST and be released and what value do you place on that?
VaBravesFan
January 5th, 2012
1:00 pm
Just a little tidbit from Keith Law about Terdoslavich. A while back in one of his chats he said something along the lines of he see’s him as just a extra guy, just alot of hype is all.
abwright
January 5th, 2012
1:00 pm
raleighbravefan, January 5th, 2012, 11:48 am … “Cinamax late night is even more dangerous. Fall asleep, and you could wake up to almost anything.”
Ah for the days when the National Anthem at sign off would wake you up so that you could turn off the boob tube when you’re “sleeping with the television on.”
I’ve been watching you waltz all night Diane
Nobody’s found a way behind your defenses
They never notice the zap gun in your hand
Until you’re pointing it and stunning their senses
All night long, all night long
You’ll shoot ‘em down because you’re waiting for somebody good to come on
But you’ll be sleeping with the television on
You say you’re looking for someone solid here
You can’t be bothered with those `just for the night’ boys
Tonight unless you take some kind of chances dear
Tomorrow morning you’ll wake up with the white noise
All night long, all night long
You’re only standing there ’cause somebody once did somebody wrong
But you’ll be sleeping with the television on
Your eyes are saying talk to me, talk to me
But your attitude is “don’t waste my time”
Your eyes are saying talk to me, talk to me
But you won’t hear a word ’cause it j-just might be the same old line
This isn’t easy for me to say Diane
I know you don’t need anybody’s protection
I really wish I was less of a thinking man
And more a fool who’s not afraid of rejection
All night long, all night long
I’ll just be standing here ’cause I know I don’t have the guts to come on
And I’ll be sleeping with the television on
Your eyes are saying talk to me, talk to me
But my attitude is “boy, don’t waste your time”
Your eyes are saying talk to me, talk to me
But I won’t say a word ’cause it just might be somebody else’s same old line
All night long, all night long
We’ll just be standing here ’cause somebody might do somebody wrong
And we’ll be sleeping with the television on
Sleeping with the television on
Sleeping with the television on
Sleeping with the television on
Ohh, sleeping with the television on
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
1:00 pm
Ozzie, would this work for you? Prado and JJ to the Tigers for a return of Jackson, Castellanos, Flynn, Voss and Fields. Then use the remaining payroll to sign Cespedes, Betemit and Tejada. Would that work? Our outfield would be 4 deep and protected when Bourn went elsewhere next season.
Venice Jim
January 5th, 2012
1:01 pm
People who live in Glass Houses…
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
1:02 pm
oh, not to mention it would deepen our farm system.
PD
January 5th, 2012
1:02 pm
George Franco was 40 when the Braves first signed him out of the Mexican league and signed him Franco was 48 when the Braves re-signed him after he was released from the Mets after leaving the Braves Try that
abwright
January 5th, 2012
1:07 pm
PD, January 5th, 2012, 12:25 pm … “Lewis don’t do that. The blog police (Hall Monitors) will accuse you of promoting Marijuana”
Are you saying Lewis is on a first name basis with Mary Jane?
Then “Mom I want to forna…
I mean formulate and discover the realms of the unknown
with Mary Jane
After all you’ll be away for the week-end
Just please consent
I need a friend.”I admit you puberty was somewhat strange
Could this be fixed with Mary Jane?
Mary Jane, Mary Jane, Mary Jane who?
So I said, Son you want to permeate
And discover the realms of the unknown
With Mary Jane
[From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/t/tori-amos-lyrics/mary-jane-lyrics.html
After all the other boys that are you age
They only wake to medicate
Do I know her family?
Is she even mannerly when she’s out in society?
“She even bakes”
she even bakes?
“These odd brownies”
Mary Jane, Mary Jane, Mary Jane who?
Then he said, “I believe in her family,
On her maternal side there was a
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Pure Isomer Dronabinol
Mary Jane Who
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
1:07 pm
With both Cespedes and Jackson on the roster, we could run an extra right handed hitter out there against Lefties. Possibly having an entire outfield of right handers if Diaz was in LF, Jackson in CF and Cespedes in RF. Our bench could be awefully deep.
George
January 5th, 2012
1:08 pm
AT 1:00
Nothing would wook for me in a deal where we would lose MARTIN. I think he will come back with a very good year, would hate to see him playing against us.
abwright
January 5th, 2012
1:09 pm
“People who live in Glass Houses…”
That was a little Close to the Borderline.
ccrider
January 5th, 2012
1:10 pm
VaBravesFan; Keith Law is constantly wrong on minor league players.
I can’t wait to see how brillant people think he is after a few seasons working in his new job with the Houston Astros evaluating talent for them.
Funny, the Blue Jays fired him and their minor league system became one of the better ones since his departure!
Terdoslavich can swing the bat, but the question is can he find a position to play?
PD
January 5th, 2012
1:10 pm
abwright nope, but I am waiting for the Anal Hall Monitors to ask me who George Franco is because I forgot a comma (,)
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
1:12 pm
George, if he went to the Tigers he won’t necessarily be playing against us. But if those scenarios could play out the Braves would be the team to beat next season.
VaBravesFan
January 5th, 2012
1:13 pm
ccrider
Actually Keith Law is one of the better prospect gurus. While he may come off as a dick, he’s just telling you his true opinion of the player regardless if its your favorite prospect or not. He doesnt sugar coat anything to give a fan more optimism about a guy. Plus he is right most of the time.
Arkansas Transplant
January 5th, 2012
1:14 pm
PD, who’s George Franco?