7:03 pm January 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
January 4th, 20129:59 pm
Orioles to take Prado and JJ for Jones without a top prospect. I think giving up 2 all-stars for an OF who has never OPS’d .800 is am overpay without us throwing in a top prospect.
I could be reading it wrong, but to me, it makes sense that the O’s should be looking for pitching prospects in return for Jones. I don’t think it works for either sides. Orioles have different needs, imo.
January 4th, 201210:04 pm
Imagine how frustrated Wren is that he can’t upgrade the offense. I’m sure he’s been trying. Everyone wants to fleece us. Lame.
O’s biggest problem is their pitching. They just don’t have any. Their pitching prospects are beyond weak and have not worked out. Bundy is one of their top prospects and they just drafted him last year. Their pitching prospects may be as bad if not worse than the Chisox pitching prospects.
January 4th, 201210:06 pm
Heyy! I hear Zona wants a starter Maybe Hanson for Justin Upton!
January 4th, 201210:08 pm
JoeBrave, thats almost funny.
Forrest Forrest GUmp
January 4th, 201210:09 pm
Hello I am Forrest Forrest Gump, people call me Forrest GUmp!
January 4th, 201210:10 pm
Yeah, after so many failed pitching prospects – all with the same problem in lost velocity – you start to wonder what the heck they are doing to those kids in the minors. Tillman, Matusz both lost velo. Britton had a bad year too. Arrieta was never much more than a back of the rotation arm though. But the previous three were considered upper echelon arms.
January 4th, 201210:11 pm
And on que, someone brings up the All-Star status like it means anything…. Horsepoops, sqwualliby poldnum ewlickit!
January 4th, 201210:14 pm
Yeah if Bundy goes way south then the O’s need to look internally to what the heck is going on. THEY are a perfect example of having a large payroll and not having a clue is not a good combination.
One day I just felt like rUnninga so I ran!
January 4th, 201210:16 pm
at one time the Os were the pitching team in baseball, my how some things change
McFann O O o
January 4th, 201210:23 pm
Ray and keylargo know their stuff…well, keylargo not as much as he thinks he does…
January 4th, 201210:24 pm
I felt like rUnninga last week, but I’m getting better…
January 4th, 201210:25 pm
What an incredible turn in the Clemson-West Virginia game!
January 4th, 201210:26 pm
Get the ball pulled out as your scoring (one ref was signaling a TD) and take it back 99 for a score; then the wheels fall off.
January 4th, 201210:27 pm
is scoots gonna be unhappy or happy about it Jeffrey?
January 4th, 201210:29 pm
He’s going to be one ticked off tiger…………….
January 4th, 201210:30 pm
was it just me or did the patrolmen seemed a bit close to Dabo in the halftime interview. Maybe he is filing an assault complaint against WVA
January 4th, 201210:32 pm
The CoCo Crisp and David DeJesus deals are going to make it hard to get Cody Ross at a discount.
January 4th, 201210:34 pm
What a choke by Boyd! Throws the ball right into the defense and then doesn’t protect it on the fumble.
Talk about putting yourself in a corner.
With those signings of Crisp and DeJesus there is no reason for C Ross to settle for a discount unless it gets to mid Feb. and he is not signed.
January 4th, 201210:36 pm
Yeah, Cody is going to owe Crisp a steak dinner four shore.
January 4th, 201210:41 pm
Well, Cody Ross’s numbers have declined 3 years in a row, DeJesus is coming off a bad year but has been consistant before going to Oakland, Crisp just lead the AL in stolen bases.
January 4th, 201210:44 pm
Baron Davis and I have similar ailments. He has been out with a herniated disc this season. The Charlotte Observer reported that he was suffering from a herniated di*k! He made light of it in his tweets, showing he has a sense of humor.
Well my pain med are kicking in, and I’m about to fade quickly tonight.
Coach (2012 Fredi's beisbol fandango)
January 4th, 201210:47 pm
2012 Marlins: Pitching, check. Defense, check. Offense, check. Running game, check.
2012 Braves? In 3rd place looking up at the Fish in 2nd.
Bye bye playoffs.
January 4th, 201210:49 pm
2012 Braves – starting pitching – check. Bullpen – check plus. Running game – check (full season on Bourn. Pastornicky adds speed as well). Offense- ??? – sure could use one more bat
January 4th, 201210:52 pm
Watch out Ray~!! Danger is lurking at 10:23. I’ll be on the defensive for the rest of the night. Or at least until her bedtime at 11:00.
January 4th, 201210:53 pm
Aaaaaaannd here come the kool aid drinkers, right on cue
Offense is question mark basically because of last year. We could still be a very good offensive team with no changes. We have a full season of Bourn. Prado should return to career norms especially as he should be more comfortable in LF this year. BMAC should return to his pre-oblique injury form. Freeman should avoid the awful April and also mature past the rookie September slump. Heyward has to improve and get his numbers back to his rookie numbers or better. Uggla, though he may still start slowly, should do better than his career worst start.
A lot of things went wrong for the Braves offense last year and instead of getting out of their funk, their funk just spiralled downhill the last month.
January 4th, 201210:56 pm
Marlins versus the Braves – SP – Braves. Bullpen – Braves. C – Braves. 1B – push. 2B – Braves. SS – Marlins (big time). 3B – push. LF – Marlins (Morrison > Prado). CF – Braves. RF – Marlins
Marlins upgraded their team significantly but it is debatable if they are better than the Braves. The Nats could easily take out both the Braves and Marlins
January 4th, 201211:02 pm
Braves will finish no higher than third in the east. Man the Nats look strong and even stronger if they sign one of the better run producers in the game in Fielder. Marlins will give the Braves a run for third place. Phillies will be a force again, but again, watch the Nationals as they could battle Philly for all their worth this season.
Frank Wren is missed the ship on Beltran. He should’ve bit the bullet and dealt Jurrjens for maybe not an elite package, but for some solid prospects and freed up some cash for Beltran. That was a guy who could’ve help shape a really mediocre lineup around as guys like Chipper and McCann don’t feel all the pressure.
Third place, folks. Nothing that will really be anything more than another sub,platoon scrub is coming here. They’re too cheap and unwilling it appears.
January 4th, 201211:29 pm
I might poop myself if the Nats get Fielder… and not one of those “oh, man, I’m so happy” poops, either.
January 4th, 201211:42 pm
is Tom still lurking?
January 4th, 201211:45 pm
January 4th, 201211:48 pm
January 4th, 201211:55 pm
very, very slow. Like a race between Bruce Benedict, Sid Bream, and LaRoche
January 4th, 201211:56 pm
get the safe off your back!
January 4th, 201211:57 pm
January 5th, 201212:00 am
Jurrjens and Prado for Jones? Really? Why is everyone so sure Jones is even worth Jurrjens? Unless JJ is not healthy (and the Braves know that) I would not trade him even up for Jones. Why do you ask? Jones at his best does not even sniff JJ at his best.
This is an earlier quote that seems to be what many are thinking about JJ -”Jair Jurrjens….that is JURRJENS for those of you who have no remedial skills, is a good pitcher when healthy, but until he wins 17-20 games, posts a sub 3 era, completes 30-35 starts and wins a CY Young he is NOT GREAT!”
Yes JJ has been hurt some over the last two seasons but lets see if he has ever been a “great” pitcher. 2009 NL ranks – #2 Quality Starts, #1 in total starts, #3 in ERA and #9 in innings pitched. If he had gotten any run support he would have been in the running for the Cy Young. Last year he was fantastic again until he was injured. He is 25 years old with 115 career starts and a career ERA of 3.40.
Again are we sure we want to trade this guy?
January 5th, 201212:05 am
Everton Goalkeeper Tim Howard scores from inside his own area.
Bay Area Steve
January 5th, 20121:23 am
American keeper plays typical-US long-ball forward. Ruins football match.
Pretty neat though. And Moe, great line the other day about Sophia, and the floor number pinned to her onesie. Unexpectedly beautiful from you, sir.
January 5th, 20121:24 am
I wonder if the Tigers gave up a hundred. Not enough to check, obviously, but I can still wonder.
January 5th, 20121:28 am
Apologies for the line. I thought I had me a good e-joke right there. I mean, it’s hard to come up with ‘e’ material. I really thought I had somethin’. Subtle, but effective, you know?
And then, PD, you have to go full-scale, and drop ‘POS’ on me. Dude, being compared to Soph is about as good as it gets here. But, no worries. It won’t happen again. I dare not mess with such a “bad azz womanizer hunk of a man.”
January 5th, 20121:36 am
I have had kalbi, sir. And, I do like. Though, some places out here are bone-in (not sure which is traditional), which I find irritating, if only ’cause it slows me down.
My favorite though is bulgogi (always beef for me) and the all-you-want side dishes. Man, 10 or 12 of the most incredible, random foods a man could want. Lettuce, and that bean paste stuff to make your own wraps. And, man, tell me you’ve had that roasted seaweed stuff. Not the sushi version, but that dried, salty layer of awesomeness? Refill, please.
January 5th, 20121:37 am
Well done, man. I hope the Braves vent comes back; that’s when you’re at your best.
January 5th, 20121:45 am
I’m actually drinking kool-aid right now. Man alive, has there been a more worn out phrase in this joint than ‘kool-aid?’ I’d rather listen to a Berman back-back-back and Stu Scott other-side-of-the-pillow contest than read that damn phrase again. But, I digress.
Anywho, I’ve been on this kick to stop buying food, and eat everything I have around the house. And, I found two little packets of kool-aid. No expiration date, but best I can tell, I’ve had ‘em since at least 2002. Well dammit, I ain’t throwin’ ‘em away. So, I said all that to say, I hope I don’t die. Tastes good though (I suspect it’s the cup of sugar, but I’m not certain). And, what are we feeding kids when this stuff can sit in a paper envelope for ten years unchanged? Gotta be natural, right?
January 5th, 20121:51 am
We used to drink so much kool-aid loaded with sugar as kids it’s no wonder we didn’t die of heart attacks. LOL
BAS, doubt it could go bad. I just wouldn’t have drunk the sh** myself. You’ll be alright I guess.
January 5th, 20121:55 am
Us too, Brian. Have you ever seen that clip of the guy pouring out the tablespoons of sugar that are in regular soda? I wonder which is worse…
January 5th, 20121:56 am
I feel sorry for the ones that have actually sat around all these months waiting on the Braves to get some big name player, or even a guy that you can excited about. I mean this player could get a few a little excited, but Wren ain’t getting anything special. Hell, he might say ‘fu** it all’ and just keep it all in tact and we shouldn’t be at all surprised.
January 5th, 20121:59 am
Kool-aid has to be worse since it’s nothing but sugar added to flavored sugar. Hell IDK, I’m drinking tons of water these days and the thought of loaded drinks with sugar get me nauseated
January 5th, 20122:04 am
Byrd is the word!
January 5th, 20122:06 am
Hello everyone! Marlins get Dobbs,and Zambrano. Interesting……….Zambrano,and Ozzie should get along fine then.They both share the same brain.
January 5th, 20122:12 am
Braves beat up Zambrano before,and will do it again.
January 5th, 20122:34 am
Man this is a slow night…….. Think I will count some white walls. 1,2,3…………
January 5th, 20122:37 am
Some where Over The Rainbow………
January 5th, 20122:42 am
Well,all have a good one! All be patient. That’s what you tell me. Peace,and talk tomorrow.
January 5th, 20123:10 am
DOB, I’m on the last disc of Season 1 of Son’s of Anarchy. As I suspected, it hasn’t disappointed. Like every other FX series, it’s intense, over the top and when you finish one episode, you can’t wait to sit down for the next.
Just picked up Season 2 of Justified today. Watched it on TV last season, but had to keep the collection going. Came with a free T-shirt. How can you argue with that? Can’t wait for Season 3!
January 5th, 20123:12 am
Forgot to ask you, or maybe I did and didn’t see your response DOB, what did you think of the way American Horror Story ended and what it appears they’ll do moving forward?
January 5th, 20123:16 am
Bay Area Steve, back in overnight form. Funny stuff….
N8, I thought AHS would need to go in a different direction — new family and/or new house — to stay interesting and fresh, and that’s precisely what they’re going to do in season 2. Read about it last week. They didn’t give exact details of locations, etc, but the creator of the show said it will be a new city, different cast, etc.
They did a good job tying up season 1. Thankfully, we’re done with Tate and Violet. I couldn’t watch anymore of that relationship, specifically anymore of Tate. Very annoying character and actor.
January 5th, 20123:31 am
DOB, while you’re on the subject of TV…
Watched this first season of Boss with my wife in about 4 days over the holiday break, since you and others here recommended it so strongly, and it definitely seemed interesting, with Kelsey Grammar playing a corrupt mayor of Chicago and all. But wow, what a show. Just as someone else mentioned on Twitter recently, those last two episodes were unbelievable. The next to last episode especially, which might have been one of the best single episodes of a TV drama I’ve ever seen. There were about 3 scenes in that one where I was just sitting there with my jaw on the floor in awe of what was going on. Grammar was incredible in that role. Will be interesting to see what they do in season 2, but we’ll be watching for sure. It was a bit over the top at times, but those last two episodes put any doubts to rest for sure.
January 5th, 20124:18 am
Totally agree on Tate and Violet, DOB. Where did you read that last week? I’d like to read it.
Early in the season in Entertainment Weekly, the creators had hinted at the same thing. I think it’s the only way to keep it fresh. I’m glad they’re doing so. Should make anticipation to see where they go with it exciting. I had had enough of McDermott as well. As I had stated before, I grew tired of his character on The Practice, and as it turns out I think I just grew tired of him as an actor. Because his character wore on me a tad too. He was FANTASTIC the first season of the Practice, but that show grew and progressed despite his character and acting. In fact he wasn’t even on the final season of the show. That’s when Shatner and Spader took over, preparing for the spin-off to Boston Legal.
Anyhow, glad I wasn’t the only one that felt that way about Violet and Tate. LOL. I’m guessing that most who enjoyed the show were done with that portion of the show too.
SPOILER ALERT for anybody who hasn’t watched AHS and plans to
I will say this. When they “told us” that she was already dead, it threw me for a loop. That was a nice twist.
Anyhow. Only one episode left on SOA season 1. So I’m gonna go finish that.
January 5th, 20125:11 am
bah, only a DUMMY would not like McDermott…….
January 5th, 20125:16 am
anybody like Revenge ?
January 5th, 20125:54 am
“Ah Kettle Chips, the perfect side dish……….for Revenge!”
January 5th, 20126:14 am
anybody get the reference?
January 5th, 20126:15 am
Hint: it’s also related to Kelsey Grammer…
January 5th, 20127:12 am
JoeBrave @ 950pm:
I love Prado’s playing style, but you’re right on the money about fans overvaluing their own players and devaluing others.
January 5th, 20127:56 am
Hah! No more Seth Smith. Braves interest has cooled. Nice….
January 5th, 20128:10 am
Braves interest has cooled. Nice…
Maybe, the Social Media Manager for the Braves finally got that meeting.
“…and last night, they wuz talkin’ about McDermott and Kelsey Grammer. Who they play for?”
January 5th, 20128:32 am
“Talks with the Braves cooled when the teams could not agree on the pitching prospect that the Rockies would include with Smith to get Martin Prado, sources say.” From Ken Rosenthal
Since when are we looking for a pitching prospect?
January 5th, 20128:45 am
Not sure if Ken means CF prospect, but every organzation should ALWAYS be looking for pitching prospects.
January 5th, 20128:47 am
Red Sox make a lot of sense for Smith.
January 5th, 20128:48 am
BAS,roasted seaweed is great. Take it and add bulgogi,some rice and fold it over and chomp away. Kalbi is ok either bone in or out.
January 5th, 20128:51 am
Also, Rockies aren’t in on Jurrjens. Although it doesn’t really sound like there are a ton of teams interested.
January 5th, 20128:54 am
From Buster Olney’s blog this morning:
The Cubs have talked with other teams about Matt Garza, and so far, the gap between what Chicago wants and what other teams are offering has been sizeable, probably for a couple of reasons:
No. 1: The trade return for players within a couple of years of free agency has been plummeting, and Garza is on target to hit the market in the fall of 2013.
No. 2: Many talent evaluators view Garza as a middle-of-the-rotation starter, rather than a No. 1 or No. 2. It might behoove the Cubs to keep Garza in the hope that he pitches well, so they can better market him in the weeks leading up to the July 31 trade deadline.
The Atlanta Braves have a similar situation with Jair Jurrjens that the Cubs do with Garza — so far, the Braves haven’t been able to get what they believe is an equal offer for a good young pitcher. Jurrjens is eligible for free agency after the 2014 season, he’ll turn 26 later this month, and he had an excellent first half of the 2011 season. But rival evaluators are concerned about his injury history, and opposing teams haven’t been offering what the Braves want — a young outfielder who can help the Atlanta lineup right away.
January 5th, 20128:58 am
keylargo I’ll be on the defensive for the rest of the night. Or at least until her bedtime at 11:00.
That is MY bedtime—it’s my computer’s bedtime!…
Bay Area Steve—
Yeah, that guy should have taken it as a compliment…Sopheee’s one of the best Bloggers around! Place wouldn’t be as good without her…
Jair Jurrjens is a free agent after the 2013 season, Buster has it as 2014, which is incorrect. And that first point with Garza is exactly the same for Jurrjens: The trade return for players within a couple of years of free agency has been plummeting, and Garza is on target to hit the market in the fall of 2013.
Service time and contractual control is looked at more than ever, and now that it’s harder to net draft pick compensation through these qualifying offers(minimum of 12.4 million) value of assets in the trade market is going to take a hit, especially when you get 2 years or less of control.
I mean, that’s not my bedtime…
January 5th, 20129:01 am
I mean, you saw teams trade players 4 years away from free agency for “just unproven prospects”. 4 years of control for Mat Latos and Gio Gonzalez and they didn’t get anything of a sure thing for these players.
January 5th, 20129:10 am
Young outfielders who can help a lineup right away usually cost a ton…..
January 5th, 20129:11 am
The Braves may not have won the World Series or even the Division for a while. But there is ONE CATEGORY, ONE STAT IN WHICH THEY HAVE LED ALL OF BASEBALL – FOR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS. ———
INJURIES TO STARTING PITCHERSS
Every since Leo left as the Pitching Coach (Wonder if there could be a connection????????
January 5th, 20129:18 am
I am looking forward to seeing Prado and JJJ have great years in 2012 as Atlanta Braves.
And Don, if Leo is so great, why is not coaching for some team? Even a little league team like our on Coach?
January 5th, 20129:19 am
January 5th, 20129:21 am
Funny stuff from Kenny Rosenthal, who requests assignment change so that he can cover the circus that they’re putting together in Miami: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/carlos-zambrano-addition-to-miami-marlins-makes-south-beach-the-place-to-be-in-2012-010412
BAS no worries Dude, I mean Dude POS was a compliment Dude. It is refreshing to hear a man from the bay area is not into other men dude. Dude being compared to POS is as good as it gets here, but dude I regress.
January 5th, 20129:22 am
Don, now is that 100% fact that we’ve lead all of baseball for 6-7 years with injuries to SP? Fact or your frustration? I know we’ve had our share, but it seems plenty of teams have pitchers go down regularly every year.
January 5th, 20129:25 am
And if Rosenthal was truthful about the Braves wanting pitching prospects from the Rockies, then that falls in line with the Braves recent trades – where they seemingly are always looking for pitching talent to be coming their way in any trade. I like it. I hated the thought process that they were looking for a centerfield prospect. They should be looking for the best prospect possible in a trade for either Prado or Jurrjens. Focusing on one position isn’t the best way to extract max value for your players.
January 5th, 20129:27 am
The Mets are after Cedeno and Theriot and Jackson, all the more reason why we shouldnt be.
I wonder if today is the day Nats sign jiggly boy? Hopefully M’s get triple D cups so we don’t have to watch him unload on Brandon “Gopher Ball” Beachy a dozen times a year.
January 5th, 20129:28 am
What is actually remarkable is the careers Glavin and Maddox had, re injuries (actually, lack there of). Injuries to your pitching staff is the norm. Ignorant rants by Don are also the norm.
By the way, in a separate item, Kenny R. reports that Seth Smith talks between Braves and Rockies cooled after teams couldn’t agree on which pitching prospect the Braves would receive along with Smith in exchange for Prado.
If this is the case, if indeed the Braves’ focus with Colorado had indeed shifted from center-field prospect to pitching prospect in package with Smith, then to me that’s an indication Atlanta was and probably still is trying to get center fielder Adam Jones from Baltimore, and would use any pitching prospect it received from Colorado either to replace the one that the Braves might lose in a deal for Jones, or actually use that pitching prospect from the Rockies as part of a package Atlanta would send to Baltimore for Jones because the Braves wouldn’t agree to part with one of their own pitching prospects that the O’s covet.
Of course, that still would leave a gaping hole as backup third baseman if the Braves trade Prado, so I’d have to think they have another deal lined up or are at least very confident they can get a quality backup for Chipper. That is, unless they believe offseason minor-league free agent signee Drew Sutton could fill that role. He played it plenty in the minors and played eight games at third for Boston last season.
January 5th, 20129:30 am
JJ, Lipka and Harrilchak to the Yanks for Montero, Nunez and Gardner.
I wonder if today is the day Nats sign jiggly boy?
Buster’s blog this morning has the Pros and Cons of Fielder signing with the Nationals. It almost seems like it’s a lock to happen any day now.
January 5th, 20129:34 am
DOB, wouldn’t it be best served in that scenario if the Braves could get a 3rd team involved in that type of trade? I really don’t know why they value Jones that highly personally unless they view him as the most obtainable. I’d think for the price we’d have to give up to acquire him would be best served looking for someone that could actually be a great improvement above and beyond what Jones would bring, even if that meant adding an extra prospect to the package to obtain them.
DOB, but why are they so concerned about who is playing CF for them in 2013? So many things could happen between now and then. Just thinking how many discussions General Managers have during a season and offseason, it seems so strange that they are concerned about CF over a year away. And Jones is a free agent after 2013, so they’ll seemingly need to acquire a CF to replace him in 2014. Just seems strange.
January 5th, 20129:35 am
I’m not too worried about the Marlins. Nats have plenty of money, baseball people who know what they are doing, and increasing amount of talent. I’m not convenced they have caught a healthy Braves team, but with Fielder, they ar in the conversation. I think the Phils, though still formidable, are a year older, and have not really improved.
Nats signing Fielder doesn’t really scare me that much, but Strasburg returning healthy to an already strong rotation.. well that’s another story.
January 5th, 20129:36 am
AT, this trade scenario with Baltimore does reak of a three team swap, however those are so hard to pull off. I think the last one I remember is the Granderson/Austin Jackson/Edwin Jackson/Kennedy/Scherzer deal with New York/Detroit/Arizona. That was a crazy blockbuster.
January 5th, 20129:37 am
I think the Marlins will be much improved over last season. They are kind of in the same boat as Atlanta witht he concerns around people returning healthy and others returning to form.
January 5th, 20129:38 am
Can’t believe the Marlins went after Zambrano. That is an explosion waiting to happen.
If I were the Nats, I would sign Prince, trade Laroche to the Rays for pitching help, then later this year when Renden is closer to ready, consider trading Ryan Zimmerman for what ever they need at the time.
I think Zimmerman is getting ready to go all Chuck Knoblach with his throwing
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