7:03 pm January 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
January 4th, 20127:14 pm
are the braves so freakin CHEAP that paying martin prado is a big deal? give me a break. he is my fav player and i will not attend a game if he is not wearing a braves jersey. over this crap
Yeah, the Kardashians and that b-ber guy
January 4th, 20127:16 pm
Excellent blog DOB. Its hard to imagine anybody owning more land than Ted Turner. Maybe the question to Mr. Malone should be why is your philosophy to never stop buying land not applied to owning the Braves and upping the payroll to sign better players hence gaining a better team ? Its obvious he wants to the best in business and its hard to understand why he wouldn’t want the best team and win a World Series ?
I’ve got several 1st place FB trophies, CB….but 2 blog league runner ups….
January 4th, 20127:17 pm
Just another Create-a-Caption trophy on my mantle. No big deal.
They’re going to ban you if you keep winning.
January 4th, 20127:18 pm
I heard that the Orioles are asking for Hanson as part of the A. Jones rumors and if Tommy is right, Wren will be right and smart to back off.
The kid pitchers should be off limits too, they will be needed given the Liberty Media budget Frank will have to work with.
If JJ and Prado get moved for a MLB ready for a MLB ready prospect and a journey man player, do not blame it all on Wren. He cannot work miricles with a Goodwill payroll.
Just kidding, jeffrey.
January 4th, 20127:20 pm
how bad does a fake baseball group have to be for Jeffrey to win something?????
January 4th, 20127:22 pm
Bat – Is that his book about JFK? I’ve been interested in reading that, gotta get it on my wife’s Kindle
Steve from OH
Robdawg, because he doesn’t personally own the Braves. Liberty Media does–and his role at Liberty Media is to assure that their shareholders make the most profit possible, not to pour shareholder dollars into the Braves, unfortunately.
Oh you’ll get yours this season. I’ve got a secret weapon
I haven’t won, nolie…
January 4th, 20127:24 pm
Secret weapon,huh? Petrel going to manage for you?
January 4th, 20127:25 pm
It’s McLouth’s rebound season
January 4th, 20127:26 pm
Thats the one. I had a little quibble with a couple of points early on, but no big deal. It’s a good story, well written.
January 4th, 20127:27 pm
Really is disheartening to hear that the Nats might sign Fielder. In my honest opinion the Braves are now the 3rd best team in the NL East. But could possibly be the 4th best (Nats). A power bat in LF is basically a necessity not a luxury. If they knew that Chipper could stay healthy and put up .300 25 100 then LF wouldn’t need an upgrade. But Chipper stays injured a lot lately.
Wouldn’t take much for him to rebound from, I say go for it. Ha!
January 4th, 20127:30 pm
Agreed Steve but I’m sure John Malone makes the financial decisions. Winning a World Series should be the goal of every owner and shareholder.
January 4th, 20127:32 pm
I’m sure all owners would like to win a World Series, but most of them – save Mark Cuban – are only going to pump in enough money so it’s reasonably profitable.
January 4th, 20127:33 pm
Winning a World Series should be the goal of every owner and shareholder. RD
why in the world should shareholders give a rat’s arse about winning a WS title?
January 4th, 20127:36 pm
Talks between the Braves and Orioles about Adam Jones are “nowhere,” according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter links). The Braves won’t trade a top young starter for Jones, so there’s no momentum for a deal.
Thanks, Bat, on the King book….I was curious as to how you would like it. It’s in my stack to read; if I could just lay off the Braves sites anxiously waiting for us to get Seth Smith or Ronny Cedeno, I could get started.
Because winning brings in more fans to the games which means more tickets sold. Plus every billionaire likes to be a winner.
January 4th, 20127:39 pm
Doesn’t bring in that many fans
January 4th, 20127:40 pm
shareholders are billionaires? Really?
and winning is not gonna put anything in their pockets, the baseball operation is too small a part of the entire operation for a few extra ticket sales to make any difference at all spread across all the owners.
January 4th, 20127:41 pm
I have to say King’s ideas of what would happen if JFK had not been assassinated make my musings on super majorities, Vietnam, civil rights, medicare, future elections, and such, seem rather unimaginative.
Of course he was coming at it all from another direction.
January 4th, 20127:44 pm
if I could just lay off the Braves sites anxiously waiting for us to get Seth Smith or Ronny Cedeno, I could get started _ kenhotlanta
Sure thing, Ken.
Don’t forget about Adam Jones.
i read 11/22/63 in about 2 days. Good book, but like all King’s books there are portions that seem to drag and don’t really contribute to the ending of the story (there’s a long piece about Jake directing a high school play that goes on forever…twice). Other than that, it’s an enjoyable read.
January 4th, 20127:48 pm
many here should love this:
New blog: Value Over Replacement Grit
January, 4, 2012
First there was VORP. Now we have VORG — Diane Firstman’s Value Over Replacement Grit blog, the newest addition to the SweetSpot network. Diane’s blog offers a fun, quirky look at the game we love, including this gem on trying to find the real-life equivalent to the “Casey at the Bat” ending.
Diane wanted to be the first female general manager in the major leagues, but a degree in Athletic Administration and an internship with the Elias Sports Bureau didn’t bear fruit. So instead, she’s a data analyst for the City of New York. She was the first “fan” to start a blog at mlb.com in 2005 and “Diamonds are for Humor” was voted Best Comedic Blog that year. Luckily for us, she started VORG last year. Be sure to check it out. You may also run into her playing Scrabble tournaments all across America.
Welcome aboard, Diane!
January 4th, 20127:50 pm
DB Cooper: Thank you.
Scott from Fairburn
January 4th, 20127:57 pm
For anyone who may buy into Craig’s “Jackson for Prado & vizcaino” rumor…. Austin Jackson struck out 181 times to go with his .317 OBP and 14 hrs
January 4th, 20128:13 pm
The Marlins showed some brains today. Gotta tip your cap to them.
January 4th, 20128:16 pm
ya know, all that cap tippin’ can make you go blind bald
January 4th, 20128:25 pm
Done deal. Zambrano is a Marlin. Their starters are set with Zambrano, Johnson, Buehrle, Sanchez and Nolasco.
January 4th, 20128:28 pm
The Zambrano deal to the Marlins sounds a little like the deal Isiah Thomas pulled off a few years back, when he dealt for Steve Francis to go with Stephon Marbury. Isiah said something to the effect of : “This is just crazy enough that it might work!”
Hanley, Z, Reyes and Ozzie. Only thing missing is Uggla, a real throw back.
This might be the best thing that can happen to the Braves this winter……………
Kenny Rosenthal reported today that talks between the O’s and Braves are “fluid”, what exactly does this mean? Could you see an actually deal consummate for Adam Jones eventually? Thanks a ton.
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January 4th, 20128:34 pm
I wonder if the Braves have something up with the Yankees for Nakajima. If so we will know tomorrow. Yankees must sign and keep or trade by Friday.
DS1, Its one of those things that looks pretty good on paper. Now the one thing that could be the mediator in that clubhouse is mark buehrle. BUT the problem has been with Hanley and Zambrano, they have always marched to their own drum. The Marlins have Andre Dawson and Tony Perez in the organization and I “believe” they had a nice little talk with Hanley after his loafing incident a few yrs ago. It seems they keep the players in line when needed.
January 4th, 20128:38 pm
I wouldn’t mind JJ, Prado for Swisher and Nakajima.
January 4th, 20128:40 pm
Would that explain how well Hanley did in 2011? He kinda stunk it up.
January 4th, 20128:41 pm
Okay, looking at the Giants’, Cardinals’, and White Sox attendance after winning the World Series, attendance does go up an average of 5,000 a game.
Bat and nolie
If you like S King books, try Joe Hill’s two books. He is King’s son.
January 4th, 20128:43 pm
DS1, He apparently gained a bit of weight and it will be interesting to see if he comes into ST slimmed down or still jiggly.
January 4th, 20128:47 pm
Maybe next the Marlins can trade for Derek Lowe
January 4th, 20128:49 pm
Most of the times, guys like that don’t get better. Sometimes their talent takes over, like in the case of Manny Ramirez, but other times they just decline.
Personally, I hope he tanks (for purely Braves reasons!)
January 4th, 20128:53 pm
Well, at least we still have three or four bonafide aces either in the rotation or on the way. It’s gonna be nice getting 16-20 wins a year from those guys. The rest of the division will bow down.
jiggly? are you CTB?
January 4th, 20128:56 pm
plus 15 from our #5 guy, don’t forget that Chop. we will be set forever
January 4th, 20128:57 pm
I try not to assume, nolie. We know what happens when we assume. We’re always right, and when we’re always right, it makes others jealous.
January 4th, 20129:02 pm
I assume robdawg will hit a whomper in softball tonight
January 4th, 20129:04 pm
Oh I do enjoyed seeing the Dukies lose.
January 4th, 20129:05 pm
DS1, I agree completely. There is a right way of playing the game and not sure if Henley has learned that lesson yet. IF I understand correctly that was one of the reasons why Escobar was sent to the great white north. I remember it was early early on in Chipper’s career, he said something and the veterans basically told him hey kid, you have not earned your stripes yet to spout off in the press. So keep your mouth shut.
January 4th, 20129:10 pm
He apparently gained a bit of weight and it will be interesting to see if he comes into ST slimmed down or still ji**ly.
Ray, don’t you know not to say that word that means a persons excess weight is flopping up and down when they run? We have a blogger that will come on and verbally humiliate you. You’re warned. Be very careful.
January 4th, 20129:12 pm
Anyone see this from Ken Rosenthal? Apologies if it was already posted….
The Yankees have had no success in their efforts to trade right-hander A.J. Burnett, who is owed
$16.5 million in each of the next two seasons.
The Pirates expressed interest at one point, sources say, and a rival executive speculated that the Braves could pursue Burnett if they trade right-hander Jair Jurrjens; the Braves finished second to the Yankees in the free-agent bidding for Burnett after the 2008 season.
Burnett, however, is guaranteed $16.5 million in each of the next two seasons, and teams are asking the Yankees to pay most or all of his remaining salary, sources say.
The Yankees still want to add a starting pitcher, but are discouraged by the current prices of free agents such as Kuroda, Roy Oswalt and Edwin Jackson.
January 4th, 20129:15 pm
Hurry up and be March already.
keylargo,, thanks for the warning. I will make sure I do not breach the blogging sense of etiquette. Thats like going from I dare you straight to I double dog dare you.
Ben_Duronio Ben Duronio
On what planet would the Braves ever even entertain the idea that Burnett would be worth trading for?? Nonsense.
And a reasonable response from a blogger who feels Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado and Kris Medlen are a young Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz……
January 4th, 20129:17 pm
And I’m not saying I’d want Burnett, just that this idea that our rotation is all good after trading Jurrjens is kind of close to nonsense as well. Just my two cents on that.
January 4th, 20129:19 pm
Efrim I saw that too on Burnett. What a great no signing by Wren. So many people ripped FW for letting Burnett go to the Yanks. I think a lot of people were complaining that he was not getting things done. I THINK that was the year that Wren was publicly pursuing Peavy, Furcal and Griffey Jr.
OK, Ray. I’m glad you see the danger involved. The only thing that could be more dangerous is saying that word and McCann in the same sentence.
January 4th, 20129:20 pm
And where did the Tigers beat reporter(Jason Beck) say a Prado/Vizcaino for Austin Jackson trade was a possibility? That’s an overpay for Jackson.
January 4th, 20129:21 pm
Would something like a Prado, Vizcaino, and Hoover for Adam Jones work for both sides are do you think Braves are more determined to trade Jurrjens than Prado?
January 4th, 20129:22 pm
keylargo,, saying that is like going straight to the heart with a triple dog dare you. I think other banned words should be waddles, and plumpy.
January 4th, 20129:23 pm
I like the Chicago pick up of Volstad. Garza, Dempster, Wood, Wells and Volstad is actually not the most terrible rotation in the world…..or not.
January 4th, 20129:24 pm
January 4th, 20129:26 pm
IF I am not mistaken, Cubs are still looking to move Garza.
????? (0)(0) martian eyes on some of this banter! tee hee hee!
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I try to come on here and chew the fact with my buddy Ray, and it’s a crime shame you have to bring up negative stuff that is a mute point.
January 4th, 20129:28 pm
In my book, Prado is a better player than Adam Jones. Why would we add other players to a deal that is wrong from the git go?
January 4th, 20129:29 pm
Would something like a Prado, Vizcaino, and Hoover for Adam Jones work for both sides..
That certainly works for the Orioles. Not so much for the Braves.
Martin Prado 2009-2011: .291/.336/.435, 108 OPS+ in close to 1,750 PA’s.
Adam Jones 2009-2011: .281/.326/.455, 109 OPS+ in a little over 1,750 PA’s.
Both players are free agents after 2013. I really see no reason why the Braves should add a Top 50 prospect like Arodys Vizcaino to that deal. No reason at all.
January 4th, 20129:30 pm
Adam Jones/JJ Hardy…….JJ/Prado/minor league pitcher
Austin Jackson/Nick Castellanos/Smyly……Prado/JJ/Hoover/Milligan.
Over and Over it goes, folks I doubt either player will be a Brave.
Most likely Chris Denorfia/james Darnell.
If Wren could get creative enough maybe JJ/Hoover/Viz for Denorfia/Darnell& Evereth Cabrera.
Lee Blanking Corso
January 4th, 20129:31 pm
Doubt if Harry’s retarded grandson and Skip’s pathetic progeny will be able to chortle over the sparce crowds in Dade County this year. With the Nats on the rise and the Phillies being the Phillies, the good denizens at Turner Field will have plenty of room to spread out in comfort. Hard to believe that Ozzie Guillen has more World Series rings(White Sox skipper and Marlins 3rd base coach) than the initimable Bobby Cox. The head hunting in the NL East should be very amusing this year. Fredo will have to man up or risk some serious damage being done to his players.
January 4th, 20129:33 pm
DS1, your and idiot
Would something like a Prado, Vizcaino, and Hoover for Adam Jones work for both sides are do you think Braves are more determined to trade Jurrjens than Prado? — detroitchris
It might. Personally, I think that (Prado, Vizcaino, Hoover) is just too much for Adam Jones, especially if you’re not confident of being able to sign him long-term (he’s eligible for free agency in 2 years). If you trade Prado, you’ve got Jones to fill the outfield void but then who backs up Chipper? You’ve got to get another player to do that (it can be done, but would it be someone as good as Prado?).
And Vizcaino has a special arm, might end up being a top-half-of-rotation starter or a back-end-of-bullpen reliever. I wouldn’t trade him and Prado for Jones, and I don’t think the Braves would. If I’m proven wrong, so be it. But unless Braves are worried about Viscaino’s durability or something like that, can’t see trading him for a player you only control 2 years. Not unless the player is a major-impact guy.
January 4th, 20129:34 pm
Young pitching is great but if you cant score runs you cant win. At some point the braves have to decide which pitchers they are going to try and win with and trade at least one or two to try and better the team. holding all of them doesnt benefit anyone. You cant play all of them and sitting them makes them of no value.
Lot Of Grave Turning in the Caray Plot
January 4th, 20129:35 pm
I come on here for a look see and first thing I see is another person who believes Skip Caray is better muted even if he was doing radio while you were in your car.
And if you factor in 2008, Prado is better.
Don’t get me wrong, a player like Jones would be a good guy to have on the team…………… for the right price.
January 4th, 20129:36 pm
There are 4 position players for the O’s that their organization think highly of and a few, over valued. JJ Hardy, Nick Mark, Weiters–deservedly so and AJ. Would I personally like to see Jones here, yes but NOT for anything that involves Prado or as Efrim put it a top 50 prospect. JJ and a low minor leaguer. Unless the O’s would give up a strong prospect. Its not going to happen because the asking price for Jones is way too high.
January 4th, 20129:37 pm
Oh dear God, the loonies are out in force, People the Game is played on the field, not on paper, The Nats??? a lot has to happen for that team to rise over the Phils, The Marlins??? I dunno, the Braves most likely 2nd in the division, I don’t see a clear challenge to the Phils at this moment, but have at it Morons, Crown Philly, Wash, and Miami co NL East Champs! thanks for allowing me to save my money, no need to attend games this year ok, when does 2012 offseason begin, let’s see Josh Hamilton, Michale Bourn, big trade for Kemp, helll ya get the W/S over in April! Good Grief!
January 4th, 20129:38 pm
Prospects!!!!!! Some of you are still waiting for the arrival of Wilson Betemit.
January 4th, 20129:39 pm
January 4th, 20129:41 pm
I am sure most of the trade talks with the Braves probably start with our big 4 pitching prospects, maybe our top 6. And the one thing as DOB just posted, you can’t give up a special arm unless its a major impact player.
Lot of Grave Turning………..
You know something about Betemit that we don’t??? I’m thinking he’ll be Chipper’s backup next year.
Woulda coulda shoulda maybe hey howda loololly, goofah muachmuck, babble gabble pooh!
January 4th, 20129:42 pm
………. and you gotta know that you can resign him long term……. (trading Viz for anybody)
January 4th, 20129:43 pm
What are you talking about??
January 4th, 20129:46 pm
Efrim, I agree. I repsonded to a Kenny Rosenthal tweet where he said it wouldn’t make any sense for the Orioles to take Prado and JJ for Jones without a top prospect. I think giving up 2 all-stars for an OF who has never OPS’d .800 is am overpay without us throwing in a top prospect.
Poor J.J. Hoover. He’s always brought up as that secondary arm the Braves could trade that isn’t in the Teheran/Vizcaino/Delgado group. In other organizations, he could still be a starting pitcher – but not this one.
January 4th, 20129:47 pm
“DS1, your and idiot.”
Not to mention a Pre-Madonna.
The A Bomb - OUTCHOKED ® TWICE!
January 4th, 20129:48 pm
Frank still in his Liberty Media cocoon while the rest of the NL East does business.
2. FREDI GONZALEZ REMAINS
3. NO DEALS OF ANY MERIT
4. SS BEING HANDED TO AN UNPROVEN COMMODITY
Still say wins in the low 80s. 4th place. At this rate 90 wins will take the NL East because everyone’s going to knock each other off. Especially if King Kong Fielder lands in D.C. What a brutal time for Braves fans since Labor Day.
How about jurrjens and prado for Nelson Cruz and a prospect…
January 4th, 20129:49 pm
One e is dumb. — Sopheee
Thanks a LOT, Soph!
DS1 exactly. I am assuming there is no way the Braves are going to give up one of the main arms for someone to be here just for a yr or two. I said earlier, there is no way is Duquette going to make his first major trade, sending AJ unless he gets a big return. Just not going to happen. Not just a good deal, it will have to be a big time return to the O’s.
January 4th, 20129:50 pm
So far I have seen Adam Jones is a turd, JJ is a stud,Prado is the heart of the team,Seth Smith is garbage, Austin Jackson is trash, JJ is a great pitcher, Oh my damn head!
Seth Smithif acquired would be the COMPLIMENTARY piece of a deal not the player most likely to succeed!
Jair Jurrjens….that is JURRJENS for those of you who have no remedial skills, is a good pitcher when healthy, but until he wins 17-20 games, posts a sub 3 era, completes 30-35 starts and wins a CY Young he is NOT GREAT!
The BuuuuLLPEN, and starting pitching is the HEART of this team, Martin Prado is not! not even close to being the team MVP. just a very good 2b playing out of position! nothing more, nothing less…until he wins a batting title, gold glove to which he has neither, and for the love of God DO NOT cite that overblown popularity contest called ALL-STAR, he is what he is!
Adam Jones is no Gary Matthews, Andre Dawson, etc… but he aint trash either, he would be a good fit for LF only for the Braves!
Austin Jackson???? not much there to talk about!
some overvalue, some undervalue, at the end of the day IT WILL BE FRANK WREN’S decision who will stay or go!
January 4th, 20129:52 pm
Wayne some of these people err I think have my damn head hurting! I cannot control the automatic drivel! nachtekor!
January 4th, 20129:55 pm
@newcars, Rangers are not giving up Nelson Cruz. Not going to happen.
In fact I am in favor of yanking the fan vote out of the All-Star game as long as the Playoff is attached to it, get all Managers, GM’s and Sports Writers to cast their lots,and then have a computer spit out the top 8 statisical leaders at each position, the nest wave would be backups, and the top 12 pitchers would go.. no more beauty contests and ballot box stuffing!
January 4th, 20129:56 pm
Head cramps from reading this stuff today Imma fo take some of the wife’s MIDOL!
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