10:10 pm December 19, 2011, by David O'Brien
December 20th, 20115:15 pm
MFin04, dude, it’s about what they have on the books. Remove 2011’s roster players from your mind. Just focus on what we owe to players in 2012. I have the numbers listed above. Minimum salary is 480K for 2012 and some players will be a bit above that, so at worst, we have around a 87-88 million dollar payroll and Frank Wren will add a couple more pieces. Not sure what is so hard to understand.
Bay Area Steve
Short week, tough place to play, let-down game, opponent playing well…
It’ll be very interesting if they show up again next week. Go in there, hang a 27-10 on ‘em, and I’ll be a believer.
Here’s a little peak of the Top 100 posters of the year.
Rank Poster Frequency Percent Cumulative_%
51 CaptainMudderland 1,865 0.4 49.9
52 nolee 1,798 0.4 50.4
53 George 1,773 0.4 50.8
54 raleighbravefan 1,761 0.4 51.2
55 kwajbraves 1,745 0.4 51.6
56 haggard 1,737 0.4 52.0
57 Jake W. 1,710 0.4 52.4
58 Powder Blue 1,694 0.4 52.8
59 JoeBrave 1,664 0.4 53.2
60 LTBF 1,642 0.4 53.6
61 The A Bomb 1,609 0.4 54.0
62 Roman Gal 1,595 0.4 54.4
63 Nova Scotia Steve 1,590 0.4 54.8
64 monty 1,584 0.4 55.1
65 Tbraves 1,581 0.4 55.5
66 RC 1,564 0.4 55.9
67 abwright 1,562 0.4 56.3
68 ray k. 1,557 0.4 56.6
69 noleee 1,544 0.4 57.0
70 Heath 1,531 0.4 57.4
71 Moe Berg 1,516 0.4 57.7
72 Jimmy 1,448 0.3 58.1
73 cricket 1,437 0.3 58.4
74 Chop Chop 1,401 0.3 58.8
75 CraZy 1,392 0.3 59.1
December 20th, 20115:17 pm
Did anyone else see this? Jeez, these Aholes owe more in back taxes than the entire Braves’ payroll.
Braves owner agrees to $136 million tax settlement
December 20th, 20115:18 pm
The should be able to crush the Rams Week 17, but yes, this weekends game worries me. Could be a little let down and the Saints play the Falcons and Panthers at home the next two weeks. I don’t think they are losing.
December 20th, 20115:19 pm
They should play the Atlanta Braves’ rendition of “Jingle Bells” during rain delays next year. That was awkward, uncomfortable, embarrassing, jet highly amusing.
December 20th, 20115:20 pm
MLB Net show IT…Braves analysis Now
gd from nz
December 20th, 20115:21 pm
Good on you DOB for not buying into the whole download by track concept these days, nothing like buying an album and playing it in entirety over and over again.
Just can’t get into downloading one song, then losing it on the Ipod. Maybe I’m showing my age but they’ll never invent something to replace the tangibility of vinyl or even a CD.
December 20th, 20115:22 pm
Haha. Thanks for the holiday card, DOB. Uggla made me laugh out loud when he bugged his eyes out.
December 20th, 20115:23 pm
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
Execs guess gio next to go w/ darvish off board. #redsox, #tigers, many more interested. Lefty has 4 yrs team control left
4 years of control thing is important. I’d be interested to see what Garza goes for – same service time as Jurrjens, however with a lot less risk. He’d get Theo a nice haul at this point.
Cubs and White Sox – #29 and #30 ranked in terms of farm systems in my opinion. Awful with a capital A. No reason John Danks shouldn’t be traded before Opening Day either.
December 20th, 20115:26 pm
gd from nz: I agree with your 5:21. Yes, we’re showing our age, and that’s just fine in this case. Such a different music-listening experience.
December 20th, 20115:29 pm
The Rockies have agreed to sign Casey Blake to a one-year deal, pending a physical, Rockies GM Dan O’Dowd announced (Twitter link). The sides agreed to a non-guaranteed contract worth $2MM plus $1MM in performance bonuses, according to MLB.com’s Thomas Harding (on Twitter).
So, does this mean they no longer want Prado?
That’s it for me… let the Christmas vacation begin.
See y’all sometime in January.
December 20th, 20115:31 pm
See ya Murph
December 20th, 20115:33 pm
ATLANTA — Liberty Media Corp. will pay to settle its disputed taxes from 2010.
The company, which owns the Atlanta Braves baseball franchise, said it would pay $136 million in federal income taxes to settle claims by the Internal Revenue Service against it and its former parent company, Liberty Interactive Corp., according to a Dec. 20 filing to the Securities and Exchange Commission.
The settlement will decrease the company’s short-term tax liability by $700 million, and cut its long-term liability by $460 million on deferred derivative gains and capital losses, the company said in the filing.
Liberty will record a federal income tax expense of $136 million and a deferred tax benefit of $240 million this quarter, the company said.
(Atlanta Business Chronicle)
If this article is accurate, Liberty paid $136 million to the IRS which reduced their tax liability by $1.16 billion. So the IRS just waived $1.024 billion?
How in the hell does ownership get the IRS to just say, “Okay, just pay 12% of what you owe.”
We need those lawyers negotiating our player contracts. We could’ve had Pujols for less than $3 million a year for the next ten years!
December 20th, 20115:35 pm
the Saints play the Falcons and Panthers at home the next two weeks. I don’t think they are losing. _ Efrim
Think again, mon ami.
December 20th, 20115:37 pm
Never mind, the Rockies want Prado as a 2B.
See ya, Murph.
December 20th, 20115:38 pm
Bat: So you think the Saints will lose to the Panthers?
The Falcons always play tough against the Saints and I hope Atl can pull it out!
Hope you enjoy your holidays, Murph. See ya next year.
December 20th, 20115:42 pm
Nicely done, Lg.
December 20th, 20115:45 pm
Ah, just messin’ around, Bat. New Orleans’ defense aint all that…so, the question is can the Falcons outscore the Saints? ATL-NO is always interesting, should be another good one.
December 20th, 20115:49 pm
Murph is leaving? Who am I gonna pick on??????
December 20th, 20115:52 pm
Yeah, it should be a good game, I’m looking forward to it. The Falcons look to be hitting their stride at the right time for a change, we’ll see.
December 20th, 20115:53 pm
I’m bound to say something stupid over the next few days, and I have thick skin. So feel free to take a shot whenever you’re feeling lonely nolie. I’ll take one for the team.
December 20th, 20115:54 pm
December 20th, 20115:56 pm
Heyward should have been long gone by now. The Braves could have gotten a good right fielder for him
December 20th, 20115:58 pm
Have you ever checked out any Chuck Ragan, or Tim Barry, they seem to be up you alley. Ragan came out with “Covering Ground” this past year, its worth the listen to say the least.
December 20th, 20116:05 pm
Reviewed my “wish list” from friends and family. I am pleased to find most of that list was gift cards from amazon and visa. That should do wonders in purchasing ability for the top 50 list.
December 20th, 20116:07 pm
keithlaw @keithlaw 54s
The Royals think Yuniesky Betancourt can handle shortstop. It’s like they’ve never seen him play before
December 20th, 20116:08 pm
I just had a company I work with send me a 5 tier box of chocolates for Xmas… and not a Russel Candies box of chocolates. The top tier was full of Godiva chocolates, the 2nd tier was full of french chocolate truffles, the 3rd tier white chocolate macadamia nuts… haven’t gotten down to the 4th or 5th tier yet. Murph
Murph – I can tell you are just a flunkie at your company. All the Big Cats got Reece’s Peanut Butter Cups.
December 20th, 20116:09 pm
No love for Red Hot Chili Peppers, 311, or Incubus? All three released new albums in 2011, and all three are pretty top choice.
December 20th, 20116:10 pm
Forgive me if it’s already been mentioned… but there’s a glitch on your list. Destroyer is the artist, ‘Kaputt’ is the name of his album.
December 20th, 20116:11 pm
It doesn’t matter what the record is, the Braves’ attendance, remains stedy. Since 01, the Braves attendance has been between 2, 823,000 (01 – which was 12th in MLB) and 2,322,000 (in 05, which was 16th in MLB).
In fact in 08, their worst year recoird wise, they drew 2,532,800 (14th in MLB).
They have never been higher than 10th (in 03, 2,401,000) and never lower than 16th (in 04, 2,322,000 and in 05, 2,521,00 )
December 20th, 20116:13 pm
Thanks for the new blog, DOB.
The A Bomb
December 20th, 20116:18 pm
Which is why, Lew they’re content for the most part not doing anything.
We spent when Ted had control because of how bad he wanted a title.
Butts in seats is consistent. Or at least turnstyle.
December 20th, 20116:22 pm
Lew – if you track back to 2001 it has been pretty flat. Was 2000 the allstar game?
I’m just trying to think what else was going on in baseball/nation/region that might have caused the drop from the 3.2-3.5M down to the current level.
December 20th, 20116:25 pm
What do you guys think of another swap with the White Sox….We give up Juurjens and Prado and get back Carlos Quentin, Lillibridge and Gavin Floyd….It would give us a LF, insurance and flexibility with Lillibridge and an experienced starter so can let the younguns work their way into the lineup….Always thought Lillibridge could be a player and he give us depth at SS and CF…….If Floyd comes in and does like Vazquez he could be trade bait in the future…Quentin is a good middle of the order RH bat that doesn’t strikeout 150 times….That’s one thing we have to improve this year is our contact hitting in certain situations….
December 20th, 20116:28 pm
tiger – It was over 3 mil through 99. Haven’t found 2000, but that is around the cut off point, Not sure when Ted sold out to TW.
People need to remeber that the Braves had some pretty pathetic attendance while Ted owned the team, too. It was really onlyn wen we had Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz that we drew in the 3 mil range and even then it was only four years or so. Of course, they drew 2.5 mil in both 94 and 95, which were strike shortened.
December 20th, 20116:32 pm
The Braves can do nothing to improve this team and I can stay home and watch them on TV this season, rather than experience the stifling heat and exorbitant prices at Turner Field. We both have choices.
December 20th, 20116:35 pm
2000 attendance: 3,234,304 ……………. 39,930 per game
December 20th, 20116:37 pm
Almost 3.9mm in ‘93
December 20th, 20116:38 pm
So – in essence – the attendance dropped in 2000 after they went to the World Series for the last time.
This is not a recent trend y’all and looks like it isn’t all on Liberty Media’s shoulders.
December 20th, 20116:41 pm
This is not a recent trend y’all and looks like it isn’t all on Liberty Media’s shoulders.
December 20th, 20116:43 pm
Braves and Hawks seem one in the same just one word cheap at least the Falcons are not afraid to make moves .
December 20th, 20116:45 pm
Attendance peaked in ‘93, fell off after the strike, picked back up in ‘96, then 3mm plus in the first four years at Turner Field.
Tiger – did you see the Honda powered jet I sent you a pic of? Toyoto, Mitsubishi, Honda would change the entire face of the light business jet. I thought we were moving towards massive single engine TurboProps, but hey, no one has declaired the contest is over.
I believe the NJ flight crash today was a Teledyne Turbo Prop that killed 5 members of a family coming to Atlanta.
December 20th, 20116:46 pm
I bet Joe Johnson does not think the Hawks are cheap.
December 20th, 20116:47 pm
There is no added payroll, if anything its dumped payroll.
Seth Smith & Wheeler what a couple pieces of garbage. I plan on greeting them with Boos on opening day.
December 20th, 20116:51 pm
So what did ya’ll think of the Homeland finale?
December 20th, 20116:52 pm
Did Dexter jump the shark?
December 20th, 20116:56 pm
speaking of feeling old, seeing bon jovi doing an advil commercial did it for me and my wife
and while the hot stove is cold, at least we are not sad cardinals fans that watched their star walk
December 20th, 20116:58 pm
I’ve always been wishy, washy on the Debra character. I mean she has her moments, but I’ve never known anyone to cuss so much yet so ineffectively.
December 20th, 20117:00 pm
Braves Inbox: Any roster moves on horizon?
Beat reporter Mark Bowman answers fans’ questions
Why are the Braves not trying to go after any big-time free agents like the rest of the National League East?
– John H., Pittsburgh
It’s easy to understand why Braves fans are getting restless as we near Christmas without the team having made a significant acquisition. That’s the way fans are supposed to react. At the same time, general managers are supposed to display the same kind of patience that Frank Wren has utilized this winter.
There’s no doubt that Wren would have liked to have made a deal or two by now. But as he said during the Winter Meetings, he’s not going to jeopardize the organization’s bright future by doing something just because the Marlins have made some noise this winter.
The Braves thought they might have been close to trading Jair Jurrjens to the Reds last weekend. But this potential deal died when the Reds instead sent Edinson Volquez and three of their top prospects to the Padres in exchange for Mat Latos.
Had Jurrjens been traded to the Reds, the Rockies felt the Braves would then be in position to trade them Martin Prado.
There is still a chance the Rockies will realize their hopes to acquire Prado. There are also still plenty of pitching-hungry teams that will be willing to strike a deal for Jurrjens. But Wren has continued to say he will not deal either player unless he receives a strong return.
With the top free agents (C.J. Wilson and Mark Buehrle) off the market and Yu Darvish in position to sign with the Rangers, Jurrjens stands as one of the more attractive pieces for teams looking to add a starting pitcher. But potential suitors are also talking to the A’s about Gio Gonzalez and attempting to determine whether the Rays would be willing to trade Wade Davis.
With other options still available, potential suitors are not yet willing to give the Braves what they are seeking for Jurrjens. This could certainly change over the next few weeks.
What is the chance we will get Josh Hamilton once he is a free agent after this year?
– Kaleb H., Dawsonville, Ga.
There is obviously no way to begin projecting the odds of which free agents the Braves might next winter. But those of you who have been bored with this offseason’s developments will be happy to know the Braves will have the financial resources available to be in the market for Hamilton and the other top available free agents. They will likely have more than $40 million to spend and there’s a pretty good chance they’ll be in the market for some of the top available outfielders.
Next year’s cast of free-agent outfielders could include Hamilton, Shane Victorino, Michael Bourn, B.J. Upton, Nick Swisher, Carlos Quentin and Andre Ethier. This strong list would have been even more impressive had 2011 National League MVP Matt Kemp not signed his eight-year, $160 million contract with the Dodgers in November.
December 20th, 20117:02 pm
DOB: The Kansas recruit you got from Georgia is from Forsyth GA, not Monroe, GA.
Wonder what the Braves had brewing with Cincy in trade talks????
December 20th, 20117:05 pm
What I want for Christmas – A new owner for the Braves and probably about half the albums on your list.
Doubtful it was for the same package, however I wonder what the trade was…..
They will likely have more than $40 million to spend and there’s a pretty good chance they’ll be in the market for some of the top available outfielders.
That’s if they don’t re-sign Bourn, Chipper retires or bring back Jurrjens or Prado, possibly even EOF. Uggla, McCann, and Hudson account for 34 million + four first year arbitration eligibles in Jason Heyward, Tommy Hanson, Jonny Venters and Kris Medlen(not counting a then 30 year old C-Mart). Those four will probably be around 10 million, so Bowman is correct on around 40 million to spend.
December 20th, 20117:06 pm
I still can’t believe Wren is entertaining the thought of trading Prado for Seth Smith. It makes no sense any way you look at it except dumping salary. It will make this team weaker. It will make me furious, as well.
December 20th, 20117:07 pm
Todd Frazier was probably apart of the deal for Jurrjens if they were going to then send Prado to Colorado.
December 20th, 20117:10 pm
Brava – Just because Colorado wants Prado, doesn’t mean Wren is going to trade him. I’ll wait until I hear it from Wren before I get overly concerned.
December 20th, 20117:14 pm
Lew, if they’re going to throw rumors out there, at least make them good rumors, not stupid ones.
December 20th, 20117:16 pm
Brava – Really.
But this rumors been out there for almost two months now and if it were going to happen, Wren would have already pulled the trigger. He’s waiting until the market opens up more interest in Jurrjens.
December 20th, 20117:17 pm
Tom Waits, Barton Hollow, Tom Russel, Laura Marling and the Decemberists. The rest is pretty much junk. May I suggeswt WUMB.com, public radio in Boston. The only radio station left in America.
December 20th, 20117:20 pm
I tend to agree, Lew. And why are the Rockies so against trading Wheeler when they just signed Cuddyer to a three year deal, signed CarGo to an extension and apparently love Dexter Fowler? On the face of it, Prado really helps them at 2nd base. Seems foolish to not trade Smith/Wheeler for Prado. They should be all over that. That’s why I’m just not sure if I buy that one.
December 20th, 20117:21 pm
Maybe the Braves can trade for Snuffy Smith, I saw on TV this morning moonshine is making a comeback. Might generate some extra revenue.
December 20th, 20117:31 pm
Anthopoulos began serious trade talks at the winter meetings and is now ready to resume calling GMs in earnest now that he knows the Darvish neogotiations are off the table for the Jays.
There are talks with White Sox GM Kenny Williams for outfielder Caros Quentin and John Danks. There’s a call to be made to Billy Beane with imaginative back-and-forth involving lefthander Gio Gonzalez. How about the Astros and Wandy Rodriguez or the Braves and Jair Jurrjens?
Once Gio goes, things should get going, right? At least that’s what we think. Hope we don’t have to wait for Garza….and Danks…..
December 20th, 20117:32 pm
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December 20th, 20117:33 pm
This is hilarious. Now I understand why there’s no contract movement. Lawyers are busy with this.
Moral is, don’t choke and this won’t happen.
December 20th, 20117:34 pm
And there’s still a few decent free agent starters still available too. Jackson and Saunders comes to mind.
December 20th, 20117:36 pm
No. 12 – Artist is Destroyer, album is “Kaputt”
December 20th, 20117:37 pm
December 20th, 20117:38 pm
December 20th, 20117:39 pm
Actually someone did the research on teams playing so many young players everyday, here’s the link to that post.
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
December 20th, 20117:40 pm
And the Braves off season of discontent continues on unabated…….
As you were, dismissed.
December 20th, 20117:43 pm
Haven’t viewed this blog in about a week and we still have done nothing. Where are the apologists for Liberty Media now???
December 20th, 20117:48 pm
Homeland finale had me on the edge of my chair for 90 minutes…can’t wait for the new season.
Joe Johnson will be an albatross around the Hawks until 2016, that was a terrible contract.
December 20th, 20117:51 pm
Toronto’s strength in their system is pitching + the three position prospects at the top that probably aren’t going anywhere(Travis D’Arnaud, Anthony Gose and Jake Marisnick)….at least not for Jurrjens.
December 20th, 20117:54 pm
On behalf of Liberty Media, I would like to apologize.
I am very sorry that you folks don’t understand that patience is a virtue.
December 20th, 20117:57 pm
Homeland finale had me on the edge of my chair for 90 minutes…can’t wait for the new season. _ kenhotlanta
Definitely intense, ken. That, waiting for next season, part leaves me a little frustrated.
December 20th, 20118:01 pm
I’m folowing the Rockies’ beat writer just to keep up with the rumors. Check this out.
Troy Renck, Rockies @TroyRenck 7m
I prefer CarGo in RF but Rox want him in left at Coors, which us biggest in baseball. Cargo moved to RF last yr bc Seth arm a liability
So this guy’s arm is a liability? Just what we need.
December 20th, 20118:02 pm
DOB: The Kansas recruit you got from Georgia is from Forsyth GA, not Monroe, GA. — TommyP
December 20th, 20118:05 pm
Stamper, it sure is a typo. You’re the first to point it out, surprisingly. Thanks much. I’ll fix it now. Great album by the way, about as good as their Destroyer’s Rubies about five years ago.
December 20th, 20118:09 pm
Why are you worried about a Colorado Rockies outfielders’ arm? The Rox definitely want Prado, it’s obvious. And their local guy Renck seems to be pushing these rumors.
I think I’ll not lose any sleep over that “deal” until it happens.
But you seem to be fixated on it……..
December 20th, 20118:10 pm
But you and I talking about it isn’t going to change the “trade” one iota. If it ever does happen.
December 20th, 20118:14 pm
DS1, well don’t yell at him, man. He’s just tired of wondering what his team might do, just like most of us probably are.
December 20th, 20118:19 pm
Braves will do something. Wren is pretty damn slick. He will not get ripped off. Ya know, the offseason sux anyways. We’ll get through it and by the time we know it spring ball will be here. Braves will have a good team again and the chances of another collapse are slim to none. These young guys have a good head on their shoulders which is obvious just watching them. It might make not only the players stronger, but the entire staff probably learned a little something too. You never stop learning.
December 20th, 20118:25 pm
Why are you worried about a Colorado Rockies outfielders’ arm?
Oh, I don’t know, maybe because DOB, Bowman, and Renck have all stated that the Braves have discussed trading Prado for him. Also, I’ll talk about whatever I want whether or not it changes anything, thanks, Wayne, just like almost everyone else on this blog.
CTB, Thanks. Yes, I am tired of wondering what the team might do. I’m tired of watching every other team in baseball making moves to improve themselves while the Braves do nothing. Oh, and I’m a woman.
December 20th, 20118:27 pm
Hell even DOB is bored to tears of this. That’s saying something too. Why with all his moaning the last few offseasons of “I’m trying to keep you guys informed, but running 2 hours of sleep keeping up with all these developments is tough. It is my offseason ya know”
December 20th, 20118:29 pm
Like I said DS1 … don’t yell at her, man. She’s just tired of wondering what her team might do. Just like all of us probably are.
Sorry ’bout that, brava.
December 20th, 20118:30 pm
DOB: The writer of that article is incredibly lazy.
The writer listed the county (Monroe County) where the kid plays, not the city. Who does that???? He also states he plays for “Mary Parsons”….it’s Mary Persons.
It’s not the Monroe you are probably thinking of, tucked in between Athens and Atlanta.
December 20th, 20118:32 pm
LOL, no problem, CTB.
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